B&H taking preorders for 20D

[B_uzz]

I was just on their site doing a little shopping and noticed this. I wonder how long the list will be by the time it is released.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=348299&is=REG

It is definitely on my wishlist.

[mmppines]

That's not accurate. Suggest you review the site again.

[defordphoto]

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[Belmondo]

Maybe we're getting hung up on semantics. I was at Keeble & Schuchatt in Palo Alto, and the salesman said they were taking pre-orders, but maybe they’re only collecting names on a waiting list. I would suppose if they’re not specifying a price yet, it really can’t be an order until a price is set and the people on that list confirm their order. I believe they were charging credit cards when they were taking pre-orders for the Mk II, so maybe this is different (i.e. non-binding).

[roanjohn]

List price:2200
Our price: 1499

!!!

What in the Hissy??!!!

Ro1

[timmyquest]

List price:2200
Our price: 1499

!!!

What in the Hissy??!!!

Ro1

Didnt even notice that, lets call and whine!

[Sketcher]

I placed my 20D order through Adorama. Their's isn't a waiting "List", but an actual order by which a pre-auth is checked against your card, your order is in the system and it ships as product comes in; charging your card at time of shipping.

[NickC]

List price:2200
Our price: 1499

!!!

What in the Hissy??!!!

There's always an MSRP and a "street price." Why is this surprising to anyone?

I was at Keeble & Schuchatt in Palo Alto...

Those guys get all my money. Bought my D30 and 10D there, and my 100-400 and 70-200 f4. It costs more but I support the local guys.

[evilenglishman]

jesspos in the uk are taking orders and are promising 2-3 week delivery.
Maybe it will be out in september.

http://www.jessops.com/search/viewproduct.cfm?PRODUCT=CANEOS20D&BRAND=CAN&CONTIN UE=false&FEATS=&FIRSTPRICE=0&KEYWORD=&LEVEL=&MODEL NUMBER=&NEWQUERY=True&NODE=481&ORD=ASC&ORDERBY=&QU ANTITY=40&RECENT=0&REFINE=&SEARCH_FOR=&SEARCHNODE= 0&SEARCHURL=dointellisearch.cfm&SECONDPRICE=999999 &SHOWCASEID=&STARTROW=1&SUBS=&WORD_SEARCH=N&

[John_T]

I don't think B&H take preorders on new products, and their management has known about the 20D much longer than we have. Look how long they waited before putting anything up. All they are saying is yup, it's coming and as soon as we've got 'em you'll get 'em. And you can bet they will get a lot.

If you think about it, B&H being the biggest, don't need the shark feed frenzy some other suppliers promote, and certainly don't need the daily storms of e-mails and phone calls from frantic preorder jerks who want to be the first on their block with a 20D.

[robertwgross]

I was at Keeble & Schuchatt in Palo Alto...

Those guys get all my money. Bought my D30 and 10D there, and my 100-400 and 70-200 f4. It costs more but I support the local guys.

Granted, K&S has a few interesting toys at the pro shop, but why do business with them unless they offer you a worthwhile deal? I find them to be overpriced, period.

---Bob Gross---

[IncompletePete]

jesspos in the uk are taking orders and are promising 2-3 week delivery.
Maybe it will be out in september.

I doubt it will be 2-3 weeks, they always put that figure down when they havn't got a delivery date.

[malum]

It says 4 to 6 weeks now.

I have pre-ordered from here http://www.ukdigital.co.uk/canon_eos_20d.htm

where it is also considerably cheaper

[roanjohn]

There's always an MSRP and a "street price." Why is this surprising to anyone?

.

I thought Canon abandoned this practice with the introduction of the Mark II with those 2 lenses.

So..........when Canon sets the MSRP price, it should also be the "street price".

................I could be wrong..................

Ro1

[scottbergerphoto]

I was just on their site doing a little shopping and noticed this. I wonder how long the list will be by the time it is released.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=348299&is=REG

It is definitely on my wishlist.
That is not an opportunity to order. B&H will notify everyone who puts their name on the list when it becomes available. It will also be available to anyone who walks into the store or sees it on the web site, first come first served.
Regards,
Scott

[photography By Evangelos]

I have called B&H and they told me over the phone they will not be taking orders for 2-Weeks as of this Monday 8/23/2004. B&H is very fast and gets larger shipments then other dealers Like Ritz who lies and takes orders on items when they have on idea on ship times. I pre-Ordered 2-10D's and got the run around and canceled my order with Ritz as I had waited 45 Days. Called B&H and with in 9-Days I had the 2-10D's in my hand. B&H is the best by far when you order equipment New or Used. Also they have a great used department.



Angelo 8)

[timmyquest]

List price:2200
Our price: 1499

!!!

What in the Hissy??!!!

There's always an MSRP and a "street price." Why is this surprising to anyone?.

Because they said it would be $1500

[Sketcher]

Because they said it would be $1500
CANON said it would be $1,500 'street', dropping the suggested MSRP (Manufacturer suggested retail Price) from their info releases.

[photography By Evangelos]

Yea what is up with the price on this thing. MSRP is $1500 so the price should be lower?

[Sketcher]

Yea what is up with the price on this thing. MSRP is $1500 so the price should be lower?

Canon Press Release:
Available in September, the EOS 20D digital SLR will carry an estimated street price of $1,499* without a lens; $1,599* with the EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5 -5.6 zoom lens; and $1,999* with the new EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM Wide Angle Zoom lensâ€*.

* Prices subject to change at any time. Actual prices are determined by individual dealers and may vary.


Canon is referencing a STREET price, not MSRP.

[roanjohn]

Man, that MSRP is strong.

Now I am fully awake!!

Thanks.

Ro1

[timmyquest]

What the hell is the point.....

[roanjohn]

I think B&H made up some astronimical list price for the 20D so that an uneducated consumer will look at thier site and will say "Honey look, I just saved a few hundred bucks by shopping at B&H!!!".

....................but this is just my opinion.

Or maybe the "list" price is the price of the camera in Europe :twisted:

Ro1

[aam1234]

What's annoying is when web sellers put the MSRP and the actual (reduced) price....WHY !!! just put your price.

[roanjohn]

What's annoying is when web sellers put the MSRP and the actual (reduced) price....WHY !!! just put your price.

I rest my case.

Ro1

[timmyquest]

What's annoying is when web sellers put the MSRP and the actual (reduced) price....WHY !!! just put your price.

I rest my case.

Ro1

:lol:

[John_T]

In my experience in Europe, most of the local "professional" camera stores sell at the MSRP and don't budge on the price. How they manage to sell, I don't know, but they do. They claim they give service and "professional advice" and therefore the price, MSRP. I've seen them spend hours selling some P&S dink to unbelievably ignorant people, so on that score I guess they earn it. I've also seen people exhaust the store personnel for advice and then go buy online. I buy small stuff locally, but to be fair, I don't ask them a thing.

You will usually see the MSRP published in the manufacturer's literature in support of the local brick and mortar stores. As for online houses posting the MSRP and their price, I guess it is fair because there is some reality behind it.

[Ogrt48]

I placed my 20D order through Adorama.
AHAHA, good luck dear. They can't even ship stuff on time thats instock, I can't wait to see how long this is going to take them. ><

[Sketcher]

I placed my 20D order through Adorama.
AHAHA, good luck dear. They can't even ship stuff on time thats instock, I can't wait to see how long this is going to take them. ><
My CDW Rep is also keeping an eye on the 20D SKU because it's in their system but not active yet. I usually just buy everything from B&H but I'm not being picky this go around. Sooner or later, it will be mine :).

[EDIT] CDW now lists the 20D. CDW #682526

[Ogrt48]

Ahh, it's a good thing you have backup. Adorama is very poor online and in real life. >< I wouldn't trust them to watch a stick of bubble gum..

[Sketcher]

No more backup. CDW has my order. Cancelling Adorama tomorrow. I don't really care if CDW gets it next month or the month after, my Rep took care of me on price and I'm not without a camera while waiting.

[photography By Evangelos]

Well how good was the price ???? Just wondering??

[RDKirk]

In my experience in Europe, most of the local "professional" camera stores sell at the MSRP and don't budge on the price. How they manage to sell, I don't know, but they do. They claim they give service and "professional advice" and therefore the price, MSRP. I've seen them spend hours selling some P&S dink to unbelievably ignorant people, so on that score I guess they earn it. I've also seen people exhaust the store personnel for advice and then go buy online. I buy small stuff locally, but to be fair, I don't ask them a thing.

You will usually see the MSRP published in the manufacturer's literature in support of the local brick and mortar stores. As for online houses posting the MSRP and their price, I guess it is fair because there is some reality behind it.

While I agree with you, I was pleasantly surprised that my small town photo store is taking pre-orders at the "street price."

[Sketcher]

Well how good was the price ???? Just wondering??
I put almost all my technology purchases across his desk so when I told him that I'd like him to watch for the Canon 20D SKU he just sent me a quote once he could place an order against it. I don't know what kind of margin he did or did not have to work with but his quote did reflect a measure of appreciation for our business. Sorry though, I can't post numbers.

[DReb-MO]

Sorry though, I can't post numbers.

Then why mention it? Please! :roll:

[Sketcher]

Sorry though, I can't post numbers.

Then why mention it? Please! :roll:
I explain that I cancel my Adorama order because I ordered it somewhere else; I indicate the better deal is due to a unique arrangement. Does the cost I ordered at really matter to you enough to post about it?

[edit] My apologies for being a bit cryptic, edgy or otherwise not forthecoming with information. No excuse other than I was a bit excited to get my order in for a really good price and I posted such before thinking it through. I was bragging in a sense, and that's not polite.

Best Regards,

[photography By Evangelos]

Free? Now thats the way to do it.

[Ogrt48]

Haha.. I bet your camera is gonna magically fall of the back of a truck. :twisted:

[Belmondo]

Apparently there is some value to having dealt with CDW in the past. I ordered my Mk II from them, mainly because a couple forum members whose opinions I value had ordered theirs there, too. This included the person who was number one on the CDW waiting list.

First, I had to set up a commercial account, which was not a problem (being self-employed), but the price they quoted me was no better than I could have done anywhere else. I was number 15 on their waiting list, so I waited. After a while, I started hearing of Mk IIs being delivered through B&H and other sources, so I canceled the order at CDW and placed it at B&H. In the meantime, I got a PM from a forum member in Southern California telling me that there were a couple available at Samy's. I confirmed it by phone, drove over to Los Angeles, and picked it up the same day. It was weeks later before the person who was number one on the CDW waiting list got his Mk II.

He did save a few hundred dollars, though.

I'd rather have the camera.

[Sketcher]

Yup,

No telling when CDW is going to get them in. I'm just comfortable waiting. My 10D is as exciting to use now as the day I bought it so I won't be climbing the walls waiting. Now, had I not a camera; I would still be on three pre-order lists buying from whoever shipped first!

Heh, I'd probably even start a tracking thread remeniscent of the Dell 70-200 days ;). Nah, I determined never to do that again.

Though, it would be interesting to post a running list of who has a 20D on order and when they arrive. hmmmm....

[roanjohn]

I gave B&H my email........so you know that when the day arrives, I'll have to call in sick and go straight to the store. :-)

Ro1

[Sketcher]

roanjohn,

Now, that's tempting. I'd have a little less resolve were I able to drive on over and take posession of the camera the day I get the email... I probably wouldn't even mind paying MN state sale's tax either... Now that's the crazy talking. ;)

[roanjohn]

Sketcher:

If there is one thing I can't stand, its waiting.

So what's a few hundred dollars of sales tax??!!?? At least I save on shipping.

:D

Ro1

[photography By Evangelos]

They Keep saying 2-weeks I called today. Monday of next week will be 2-weeks 9/6/04 Seems to me that they are not as ready for the 20D as they were with the 10D. I hope this doesn’t turn into D60 Shipping problems or delays.


Angelo 8)

[NILOLIGIST]

Don't forget about DELL, they might have some and of course it will be at the wrong price. LOL

NiL,

[Sketcher]

BTW,

B&H IS TAKING PRE-ORDERS ON THE 20D.

I just received the email this morning.

[roanjohn]

BTW,

B&H IS TAKING PRE-ORDERS ON THE 20D.

I just received the email this morning.

HEY!!! Where is my email??

:-(

Ro1

[John_T]

Say Jeff,

D.A.M would be Dyslexia Against Moderators.

M.A.D would be Moderators Against Dyslexia.

Which is it? I think

M.A.D. is more appropriate. :wink:

... and damn! I haven't gotten an e-mail from B&H either. Is that a bad sign? :x

[Sketcher]

Say Jeff,

D.A.M would be Dyslexia Against Moderators.

M.A.D would be Moderators Against Dyslexia.

Which is it? I think

M.A.D. is more appropriate. :wink:

... and damn! I haven't gotten an e-mail from B&H either. Is that a bad sign? :x
Hey, I quote'm like I copy/paste them ;). If I re-wrote the quote, I couldn't attribute the saying to the original owner now could I?...
Besides,, I think the way the statement as quoted emphasizes the intent of the owner :lol:. It is a reference to Dyslexia in and of itself.
Other than that John_T, you're quite correct.

[John_T]

...guess I'm dysmexlic... :eyes

[Perfect_10]

Dyslexia rules KO :lol:

[photography By Evangelos]

Strange I did not get an email saying the are taking pre-orders as of yet. I will call tomorrow.

Angelo 8)

[John_T]

Yeah...

Jeff, you screwing us around?

:? :arrow: :!: :?: :!:

[Sketcher]

Yeah...

Jeff, you screwing us around?

:? :arrow: :!: :?: :!:
I admit, I do enjoy playing the court Jester at times :). I did receive the email however; I'll post it when I get home tonight. It's a notice from B&H that states they are now accepting pre-orders on the 20D. I already have mine ordered elsewhere so I haven't called to verify the email.

[John_T]

Thank you Mr. Jester!

...just curious why I havent gotten mine yet. Maybe they are going by date stamp and I missed by 2min 3 sec and 2,346 prior e-mails. :roll:

[photography By Evangelos]

B&H took my order yesterday!! I ordered 1 20D with Grip and Mack Warranty. They told me it would take around 2 to 4 weeks. So this should be an accurate assessment of delivery times. B&H is usually never wrong with canon product delivery times. Just like the D30, D60 and the 10D they were correct every time. I really like the level of professionalism and curtsey when ordering from B&H over the past 10 Years. Now were is the 20D I want to play. This time around how ever I am only getting one camera "20D" and keeping one of my 10D's as a back-up unit. The 10D is a much better camera than the D60 was over all when I up-graded to the 2-10D's at the time. So this is why I am keeping one 10D and only buying one new Camera.



Angelo 8)

[DReb-MO]

B&H took my order yesterday!! ... Angelo 8)

Did they charge upon order even though they will not ship for 4 to 6 weeks? Odd practice since many of the retailers I have checked with or done business with in the past do not operate this way. Thanks.

[Sketcher]

Whups, had forgotten abou thread and that I was going to post my B&H notice. Ah well. Evangelos' post confirms.

DReb, most transactions where people claim that they're being charged before an item ships isn't actually a charge on the card but a pre-authorization for the amount of the purchase to ensure the funds are available. Some lenders actually limit available credit less the amount of the pre-auth to ensure that amount is available for that purchase.

[DReb-MO]

are they searching for an authorization from the CC company or are they actually charging you. From my discussion on the phone today it sounds as though they charge you now. Just looking for a little clarity. Thanks.

[FredT]

are they searching for an authorization from the CC company or are they actually charging you. From my discussion on the phone today it sounds as though they charge you now. Just looking for a little clarity. Thanks.

B&H actually charges your credit card when you place your order.

Fred

[MediaMagic]

The web documentation claims that your card is *charged* at the time of placing the order, not at shipping time. It's one of the things I was very leary of during/with my first B&H transaction. It's not a normal practice, but this is what they claim to do. I never really noticed or checked though, because I've always received my orders from them within two to three days.

I'm not sure if they *actually* do this with an out of stock or preorder too, but, again, the web documentation does say that this is so. I believe it's during the ordering process that this small print pops up.

[roanjohn]

I am going to B&H today. I will ask about this.

Ro1

[DReb-MO]

If they have one on the shelf can you pick one up for me. :wink:

I already called. It's a charge on order not ship and more then just an authorization. You card is hit for the full amount.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Say Jeff,

D.A.M would be Dyslexia Against Moderators.

M.A.D would be Moderators Against Dyslexia.

Which is it? I think

M.A.D. is more appropriate. :wink:


Not if your dyslexic... :roll:

John.. the Dyslexia humor went right over YOUR head... swooooooosh................. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Don't tell me,.. you must be D.D.A..... :wink:

[roanjohn]

I already called. It's a charge on order not ship and more then just an authorization. You card is hit for the full amount.

OUCH!!! Thats probably why the 20D is out of stock in thier website.

.........I guess there goes my chance on buying it in the store for thier first shipment :-(

..........Oh well, the 300D is not that bad really.

...........I mean it!!!

....I really do!!! mean it...........

Ro1

[DReb-MO]

I already called. It's a charge on order not ship and more then just an authorization. You card is hit for the full amount.

OUCH!!! Thats probably why the 20D is out of stock in thier website.

.........I guess there goes my chance on buying it in the store for thier first shipment :-(

..........Oh well, the 300D is not that bad really.

...........I mean it!!!

....I really do!!! mean it...........


Ro1

Stop it! Yer killin me here. :lol:

[photography By Evangelos]

I Want My 20D! :P

[Sketcher]

Calumet advertised on their website that they got limited qty of 20D in and even now the page shows as being able to ship; but I'm not even calling... most likely a sale's gimmick or a non-updated page.
Calumet: 20D Low Stock
This item is available to ship from our primary warehouse in Chicago, but stock is low.
Heh heh, "Low" as in ain't gotz nun yet.

[kawter2]

Calumet advertised on their website that they got limited qty of 20D in and even now the page shows as being able to ship; but I'm not even calling... most likely a sale's gimmick or a non-updated page.

I called... according to an email from their canon rep that came in today....they said they don't expect them untill late next week

[photography By Evangelos]

Calumet is the worst. I never trust them.



Anelo 8)

[Belmondo]

Say Jeff,

D.A.M would be Dyslexia Against Moderators.

M.A.D would be Moderators Against Dyslexia.

Which is it? I think

M.A.D. is more appropriate. :wink:


Not if your dyslexic... :roll:

John.. the Dyslexia humor went right over YOUR head... swooooooosh................. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Don't tell me,.. you must be D.D.A..... :wink:

It might be helpful to remind everyone of the dyslexic aetheist who didn't believe in Dog. :wink: