New 5D or not

[ghocking]

This is a quote from this weeks Amateur Photographer (UK weekly 1/12/07 edition). Someone was asking the question if to buy 5D now or wait for replacment, the answer was as follows:

'Just a couple of weeks ago Vic Soloman from Canon UK's Product Intelligence division told me there is no reason to update the EOS 5D at the moment, as there is no competition for it. Sounds a bit fishy, but that's from the horse's mouth.
- Damien Demolder, Editor'

[SunTsu]

I think that's interesting, but they have updated stuff before even without direct competition. No a perfect comparison, but the 580EX was updated even when no one thought it would be.

[VTSHEP1]

No competition!?:evil: They can not possibly be this remiss, and internally silo'd. Many people's opinion is that they are currently getting beat on either side of the 5D, e.g. D3 and D300.

[elsen029]

'...there is no reason to update the EOS 5D at the moment, as there is no competition for it. Sounds a bit fishy, but that's from the horse's mouth.
- Damien Demolder, Editor'

Typical Canon arrogance, they still think they're the only camera manufacturer on the planet. If the 5D MkII isn't coming in January, I possibly will switch to D300... :mad:

[drogos]

Typical Canon arrogance, they still think they're the only camera manufacturer on the planet. If the 5D MkII isn't coming in January, I possibly will switch to D300... :mad:

+1 . I always wanted to have 5D sensor in 1d body or most likely better than 1d body and there it is. It's called D3. I am not switching within next year for sure but when my 5d is due to exchange i will defenetly consider it.

[DaleFrazierPhotography]

I have been wandering if they were going to update it too. However, I love mine and would not be in a big hurry to upgrade even when it comes out.

[bagtagsell]

A 5D w/ weather sealing and 5fps would be a killer camera IMO.

[davidwegs]

Since the 5D is (was) the low light king, a focus system that is as good a Nikons would be good. Add weather sealing and usable 6400 iso, and we're off to the races.

5D2 needs to hit soon IMO.

[AndrewEllinas]

No competition??? That is total rubbish and Canon know it.

The 5D update better come soon and it better be good or I suspect a lot of people, including me, will be switching to the Nikon D3.

[killerbab]

A 5D w/ weather sealing and 5fps would be a killer camera IMO.


I would add these, and some higher ISO!

But then i would have no desire to lust after the 1 series.

[Tom W]

'Just a couple of weeks ago Vic Soloman from Canon UK's Product Intelligence division told me there is no reason to update the EOS 5D at the moment, as there is no competition for it. Sounds a bit fishy, but that's from the horse's mouth.
- Damien Demolder, Editor'

I doubt that Vic Soloman said any such thing. There is competition for the 5D - it just isn't full frame. And I believe that there will be more full framers, from Nikon and Sony within the next year.

[Tom W]

Typical Canon arrogance, they still think they're the only camera manufacturer on the planet. If the 5D MkII isn't coming in January, I possibly will switch to D300... :mad:

Why not at least move upward, to the D3?!

[elsen029]

Why not at least move upward, to the D3?!

Budget?

You in the US pay around $5000,- for the D3, we here in Europe pay around 4500 Euro (lowest price) for the D3, which is more than $6500,- with the current conversion rates. That comes close to the US price for a 1DsIII! :confused:

BTW: I never understood why we here in Europe have to pay around 40% more than US photographers for the same equipment (it's unfair! :cry:).

[hamond]

Budget?

You in the US pay around $5000,- for the D3, we here in Europe pay around 4500 Euro (lowest price) for the D3, which is more than $6500,- with the current conversion rates. That comes close to the US price for a 1DsIII! :confused:

BTW: I never understood why we here in Europe have to pay around 40% more than US photographers for the same equipment (it's unfair! :cry:).

Thats with alot of stuff....

foto equipment..... auto/tuning parts.... stereo equipment.

it's sad :-(

[lowcrust]

Because the average person earns more money. Plus the fact that the competition is higher in the bigger US markets. It sucks, but the good thing is you can always have a friend in the US buy it for you and then ship it. Or you could take a cheap flight to the great NYC and make it a nice long weekend vacation!

[I Simonius]

If the 5D MkII isn't coming in January, I possibly will switch to D300... :mad:

By Sept? That's wehn the new 5D wil be out;)

No competition??? That is total rubbish and Canon know it.

The 5D update better come soon and it better be good or I suspect a lot of people, including me, will be switching to the Nikon D3.

By Sept, when the New 5D will be out;)?

I doubt that Vic Soloman said any such thing. There is competition for the 5D - it just isn't full frame. And I believe that there will be more full framers, from Nikon and Sony within the next year.

withoin the next year.... means that Canon cxan wait until ASept before upgrading the 5D

Just like I said:p

[elsen029]

By Sept? That's wehn the new 5D wil be out;)



By Sept, when the New 5D will be out;)?



withoin the next year.... means that Canon cxan wait until ASept before upgrading the 5D

Just like I said:p

What's this remark about September (INSIDE INFO?)? To my information the D300 and D3 is in the stores already, meaning Canon can't wait until September 2008! They have to upgrade the 5D soon, before the whole Canon camp moves over to Nikon...

[aero145]

Aloha guys,

A guy I'm in contact with has access to a specialized "Canon Inc - forum", which only some people have access to, and everything that's going to be announced is announced there first.

The new 5D, whatever it'll be called, is due at PMA. Yes, it WILL come then.

We'll see how it'll be, but for sure it's due in 1.5 months. :D

[I Simonius]

What's this remark about September (INSIDE INFO?)? To my information the D300 and D3 is in the stores already, meaning Canon can't wait until September 2008! They have to upgrade the 5D soon, before the whole Canon camp moves over to Nikon...

So if canon doesn't update by PMA everyone's going to ditch thousands of pounds worth of equipment and go Noink??? yeah right:lol:

Aloha guys,

A guy I'm in contact with has access to a specialized "Canon Inc - forum", which only some people have access to, and everything that's going to be announced is announced there first.

The new 5D, whatever it'll be called, is due at PMA. Yes, it WILL come then.

We'll see how it'll be, but for sure it's due in 1.5 months. :D

again...yeah... right:rolleyes:

[VTSHEP1]

Because the average person earns more money. Plus the fact that the competition is higher in the bigger US markets. It sucks, but the good thing is you can always have a friend in the US buy it for you and then ship it. Or you could take a cheap flight to the great NYC and make it a nice long weekend vacation!

I hope Aero is right.

Re: Europeans coming to NYC to shop...its unreal how much that is happening lately. You guys should see the inside of the B&H store these days.

[lowcrust]

Re: Europeans coming to NYC to shop...its unreal how much that is happening lately. You guys should see the inside of the B&H store these days.

Been there, done that! =)

[springer]

So if canon doesn't update by PMA everyone's going to ditch thousands of pounds worth of equipment and go Noink??? yeah right:lol:

I'm very tempted to switch... the D300 looks pretty promising (ahhhh... somebody help me! I love good ol' Canon...:()

- Luke

[radiohead]

I'm testing a D300 at the moment, and for image quality the 5D still has it beat. Especially when shooting people.

[I Simonius]

I'm very tempted to switch... the D300 looks pretty promising (ahhhh... somebody help me! I love good ol' Canon...:()

- Luke

:rolleyes:

[aero145]

again...yeah... right:rolleyes:

Yeah right? You think these forums lie or what?
It will always seem that when someone makes a posts like this is just making a joke, but I believe in this forum and it'll come in PMA.

If it does come then, you better take this back. ;)

[lowcrust]

Trust us, there is no such forum Aero.

//LD

[I Simonius]

Yeah right? You think these forums lie or what?
It will always seem that when someone makes a posts like this is just making a joke, but I believe in this forum and it'll come in PMA.

If it does come then, you better take this back. ;)

It's no9t the date so much I was :rolleyes::rolleyes:at it was this bit below:

A guy I'm in contact with has access to a specialized "Canon Inc - forum", which only some people have access to, and everything that's going to be announced is announced there first

We always hear that someone 'has special access'" etc.. to such and such info from Canon... the point is no one does...
sorry;)

[fe3836]

Budget?

You in the US pay around $5000,- for the D3, we here in Europe pay around 4500 Euro (lowest price) for the D3, which is more than $6500,- with the current conversion rates. That comes close to the US price for a 1DsIII! :confused:

BTW: I never understood why we here in Europe have to pay around 40% more than US photographers for the same equipment (it's unfair! :cry:).

I heard that EU has the highest quality standards, and may confiscate shipments if a vendor ships crap. So the Asian vendors ship the items within the tightest tolerance coming off the production line to EU, second rate stuff for US and Japan, and charge accordingly. So this is actually a blessing!

[bbbig]

I heard that EU has the highest quality standards, and may confiscate shipments if a vendor ships crap. So the Asian vendors ship the items within the tightest tolerance coming off the production line to EU, second rate stuff for US and Japan, and charge accordingly. So this is actually a blessing!

That's actually not true. Any person who understands manufacturing and international distribution will tell you, that 1) all products are made to spec (i.e. shipped) or it's out-of-spec (i.e. not shipped), and 2) you don't have different quality standards based on destination. (unless it's an environmental, compliance matter - e.g. heavy-metal containing parts, etc. - but that's a completely different matter)

Bottom line - you get same exact Canon products, whether in US or EU or JP. As to why it's more expensive over there; has to do with the supply and demand and the market's willingness to pay higher price. That's all.

[elsen029]

As to why it's more expensive over there; has to do with the supply and demand and the market's willingness to pay higher price. That's all.

I am not a marketing person, so I don't understand this reasoning 'has to do with supply and demand' : a) I can't undstand why it should be an issue of supply? Is it more difficult ore more expensive to get camera stuff into Europe compared to the US? b) demand: the demand from the US market is probably higher, so why not make camera's more expensive over there? That would raise profits!

And about willingness to pay more: we don't want to pay more, but we are forced to here in Europe! :(

I can't really see an economic reason for the manufacturers to charge 40% more, besides wanting to earn more profit. You're lucky in the US... :)

[lowcrust]

You earn more as a Dutch middle class guy than a US middle class guy, it's that simple. The US is also in a economic situation where luxury goods such as cameras are not prioritized by the average joe, so manufacturers lower prices to encourage sales. The EU has higher import taxes that the US as well.

[I Simonius]

That's actually not true. Any person who understands manufacturing and international distribution will tell you, that 1) all products are made to spec (i.e. shipped) or it's out-of-spec (i.e. not shipped), and 2) you don't have different quality standards based on destination. (unless it's an environmental, compliance matter - e.g. heavy-metal containing parts, etc. - but that's a completely different matter)

Bottom line - you get same exact Canon products, whether in US or EU or JP.
.

quite right!;)

[elsen029]

You earn more as a Dutch middle class guy than a US middle class guy, it's that simple. The US is also in a economic situation where luxury goods such as cameras are not prioritized by the average joe, so manufacturers lower prices to encourage sales. The EU has higher import taxes that the US as well.

Yes, you are probably right, I agree. But I still get the feeling I am being hassled paying about 40% more for the same product than my US colleagues... :confused:

[aero145]

We always hear that someone 'has special access'" etc.. to such and such info from Canon... the point is no one does...
sorry;)

Ah, well that's what HE told ME, so don't say that I'm copying the people that are saying "a guy in a shop knows this |blabla| and he told me".

Can you show me a mail from Canon that states that no one does have any 'special info' from Canon sites? :rolleyes:

[I Simonius]

Can you show me a mail from Canon that states that no one does have any 'special info' from Canon sites? :rolleyes:

I could show you certainly, but then I'd have to shoot you;) [with a camera of course!;-)]
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[hamond]

Yes, you are probably right, I agree. But I still get the feeling I am being hassled paying about 40% more for the same product than my US colleagues... :confused:


I don't agree.....

The people i know in the US don't earn alot less than i do... they do have to pay ALOT less income taxes than i do.. so in the end they have more in the pocket.


But i have to say....

We have better healthcare because of the taxes.... americans have better prices for equipment and less income taxes but get screwed with alot of other thing like healthcare.
It are 2 different "worlds" with different PRE and CONS..

[_aravena]

According to a Canon rep, there will be one. He's trying to get me hard evidence though.

[lowcrust]

Good luck with that! =) =) =)

[_aravena]

He got it last year before the 40D was announced.

[lowcrust]

Oh yeah? When was this and what hard evidence is it you talk about?

[_aravena]

Last fall and it's their inventory type sheet. So they can get the stores ready with what to expect in the spring. Well, he managed to get something with the 40D on it. I don't it had specs, just listed. He's worked for Canon for like 10yrs or more so I don't doubt him. He said it was hard and some luck. But he's trying since he knows it's that time for a new Rebel and 5D.