no0b question--Whats the diff between 20/10D & dig. rebe

[3p0rtlnd12]

I am looking to get a better camera. My a70 broke due to wine spillage...(does anyone know how to repair cameras in Sydney that could do it for cheap? :lol: )


anyways, whats the difference between the line-up? I'm an obvious no0b, sorry. If you guys have any questions about BMW or 3-series specifically, I can help out :wink: TIA

also, what would you recommend me getting? I just want a REAL decent camera around 1,000. Although i'm a no0b I plan on putting in a lot of time on photography and whatever camera I get and also this site i found today. Its just really important to me that I get a camera for my spring break trip around the Outback and the Great Ocean Road.

Last question, I promise...is there a zoom on these cameras? i'm farely interested in the Dig Reb. I just see if it doesnt have zoom might present a problem at certain times. :dunno:

Thanks guys,

Amber

[Longwatcher]

You do realise these are digital SLRs, yes?
They have interchangeable lenses, so some can lenses zoom and others can't, but in total you have over a 200x zoom range.

The primary difference is cost versus features.

Drebel: low cost, crippled features, good sensor (6.3MP with 7.8um pixels), smaller buffer. Currently running around $900 with 18-55mm lens (estimates system cost $2500 over time)

10D: replaced by 20D, good sensor (6.3MP with 7.8um pixels), 9 frame buffer, at 3FPS. Currently running around $1000 without lens, estimated system cost $5000 over time)

20D: good sensor (8.2?MP with 6.4um pixels), big buffer for jpeg, small buffer for RAW (which may be mitigated by CF card write speed). 5 FPS.
not quite available yet. will run around $1500 without lens, estimated system cost $5500 over time)

all $ = US
Canon has three ranges of lenses
consumer (most lenses under $200)
prosumer (most lenses under $500 (best lenses 50/1.8 and 28-135))
professional (or "L") series (most lenses over $1000)

and you will find you will want some accessories to go with these cameras, which is where the estimated system cost comes in. These cameras are not attached lens Point and Shoot cameras, they have many features allowing you to customize the camera for your use and this costs over time.

Finally, if you can wait, get a 20D with lens kit and then find a longer zoom lens you can afford, and if you can afford it when it comes out get the 10-22mm lens and you should have a full set at that point. Otherwise find a 10D, a 50/1.8 and a 28-135 lens for your basic camera set.

Just my opinion (please note, that I recommend www.DPreview.com to check on a more complete review of each camera system and my facts are based on what I can remember off the top of my head this morning.)

[mdude85]

Longwatcher,

I am not quite sure why you'd spend $2500 more on a 10D or a 20D over time than a 300D?

Also, 200x is not very accurate ... the biggest lens I have seen is 1200 mm...this is like 24x zoom.

[cmM]

Longwatcher,

I am not quite sure why you'd spend $2500 more on a 10D or a 20D over time than a 300D?

Also, 200x is not very accurate ... the biggest lens I have seen is 1200 mm...this is like 24x zoom.
Mdude, for your zoom question, that 1200mm lens is actually a 1x lens (you will note that these terms will not be used much in SLR cameras).

Longwatcher was reffering to the range of lenses available. You can change them, and between a focal range of 5mm and 1200mm you do have over 200x zoom.

Now, there are many features that would justify spending the extra money on a 20D, but it all depends on what your needs are. Are you seriously interested in photography? Do you want to spend time post processing? The decision is yours depending on what you want and need.

Good luck either way ;)

[Andy_T]

Also, 200x is not very accurate ... the biggest lens I have seen is 1200 mm...this is like 24x zoom.

It would even go to 240x if you take the EF-S 10-22 on one end and the 1200 with the 2x TCON on the other hand. But then, the system cost might exceed the mentioned figures by about $ 80,000 ....

A meaningful total zoom range would be from 17 to 400 ... that still is more than any fixed lens digicam can provide.

Don't be frightened by Longwatcher's 'Total system cost'. That is a figure that is totally irrelevant to anybody buying a new camera. :lol:

It's the amount of money you realize after some years that you have spent on the camera and accessories (esp: lenses) in total. :shock:

Best regards,
Andy

PS: You might consider the 1D and L lenses. Bit more expensive, but you can spill as much red wine on it as you want to. :lol:

[timmyquest]

Actaully i've seen photos from a 1d with wine spilled all over it.

They turned out blurry, disoriented, and women that usually didnt spark ones interest suddenly looked like super models.

Very odd indeed.

[3p0rtlnd12]

Thanks for all the insight guys :D

I think I have "settled" on the 300D just because of the price; the 10D is just a lil too pricey. I am very interested in photography, when i get back to my home uni I plan on taking a class or two.

The only hesitation I have is the lenses, I think its going to be rough to have a camera w/o a zoom right off the bat. And as a college student, we dont have money stacked up waiting to be spent on stuff like this. :(

If I can pull a 10D, I will, but as a beginner I think I can just go w/ the 300D and have a handful.

Whats a good lens that I could afford and would offer decent zoom? Thanks again,

Amber

[Morden]

Actaully i've seen photos from a 1d with wine spilled all over it.

They turned out blurry, disoriented, and women that usually didnt spark ones interest suddenly looked like super models.

Very odd indeed.

:lol:

[Big_B]

Thanks for all the insight guys :D

I think I have "settled" on the 300D just because of the price; the 10D is just a lil too pricey. I am very interested in photography, when i get back to my home uni I plan on taking a class or two.

The only hesitation I have is the lenses, I think its going to be rough to have a camera w/o a zoom right off the bat. And as a college student, we dont have money stacked up waiting to be spent on stuff like this. :(

If I can pull a 10D, I will, but as a beginner I think I can just go w/ the 300D and have a handful.

Whats a good lens that I could afford and would offer decent zoom? Thanks again,

Amber

The biggest difficulty with advising you on lenses is that it depends very much on the kind of photos you take/what conditions you take them in etc.....

FWIW the kit lens has a zoom and I would suggest you go with that to get you started. If you decide you want to invest money in good/different lenses in the futuer, you always have that option.

Cheers,

BB

[gavmar]

If you are looking at the 300D and purchasing it in Aus, I managed to pick one up for $1,750 at Harvey Norman Express in Chatswood. Canon are offering $200 cash back on this camera at the moment and if you travel overseas within 30 days you can claim back the GST as well. So $1,750 less $200 from Canon less GST refund of $175 = $1,375 (for the camera with the basic lens kit, you will also at least need a memory card)

Good luck.

[tommykjensen]

Here is a sheet comparing 20D with 300D specs.

http://www.klein-jensen.dk/external/canon20d_vs300d.xls