The indesisive TQ 1d vs 20D thread

[timmyquest]

Updated daily.

Yesterady i was getting a 1D

Today i'm getting a 20D

What lays ahead...WHO KNOWS!

:roll: :roll:

I hate this.

[neil_r]

A wee bit self indulgent is this matey :lol:

N

[Pekka]

Updated daily.

Yesterady i was getting a 1D

Today i'm getting a 20D

What lays ahead...WHO KNOWS!

:roll: :roll:

I hate this.

Do you have ANY camera now? I mean it would calm you a bit if you did some night shooting or such :)

[timmyquest]

no no no

I havnt gotten either yet, i'm just trying to decide which one to get.

When i read a reveiw of the 20D the choice seems clear
When i talk to a 1D owner the choice seems clear

When i look at my bank account the choice seems clear
When i look at my income the choice seems clear

[neil_r]

TQ. If you go for the 20D will there not be a voice in the back of your head saying “I should have gone for the MkII”

I think the wisest thing is to go for the best you can afford now, and stick with that choice until a vastly improved camera comes along.

I held off with the move to digital until I thought the digital offering was getting near that which I could get from my film camera and slide/neg scanner. I finally bought a D60 and grip and one month later Canon launched the 10D at a greatly reduced price.

Don’t get trapped in the spiral of chasing the new technology.

I ride a sports motorcycle at about 70% of its potential and I have a camera that I use to about the same level, I just need to practice with both until I really need to upgrade. Its hard work but fun.

If only all of our decisions were this complicated :lol:

N

[timmyquest]

I currently have 300D which i just find too slow, and the lack of AI/servo makes sports photography a love hate kind of gig.

I'm not looking into the 1dMKII as that is way out of the question.

The 1dMKII is everything the 20D is, and everything the 1D is.

I'm looking into a used 1DMKI vs a 20D.


Build quality:
Both are metal, one is weather sealed. I do not own a weather sealed lens however so i'm not sure when that would really come into play.

Both have the command dial (vs the 300D setup). Both are about the same size (about...) with the battery grip on the 20D.

Lenses, crop factor:
EF-S on the 20D will allow me to keep the kit lens from the rebel thus preventing the immediate need to buy a WA lens.

The only thing that annoys me of the 1.6 crop factor is the viewfinder. I hate how small it is. I dont understand why canon cant somehow make it seem full framed and keep the proper dimensions. I guess the image would be distorted.

FPS:
I rarely use 3fps on my rebel, maybe it's just because it is too slow to matter i dont know. But i cant imagine me needing 8fps more then i'd ever need 5fps

Buffer:
Both are sufficient for my needs

Noise:
The 1D does not handle noise as well as newer DSLR's, the 20D seems to make huge strides in this, nor does it have the banding.

I intend on continually shooting night football...noise is an issue i must deal with. My hope is that i can get a camera that can deal with it before i do.

Focus speed, overall camera speed:
The 20D again made huge strides, .2 startup time is more then enough for me. CF write times are fantastic. 9 point auto focus...we'll see how well it works.

There is no doubt in my mind that i'd be happy with the 45 point AF of the 1D. Nor is there doubt in my mind that the 1D out does the 20D in acquisition and maintaining of action subjects. But from the sounds of it, the 20D is better. It is better then a camera in which i dont have. Which makes it MUCH better then what i do have.

8MP vs 4MP:
No, i dont spend hours over MTF charts. No i dont make forty foot billboards, but what i do do is crop. I crop a lot. I am not a good action photographer. I have 2 baseball games 3 basketball games and 1 football games under my belt. I crop a lot.

Image quality:
Yes the 1D takes awesome photos, the IQ is amazing. But you cant tell me the 20D wont be better, it simply will be. The technology in the 1D is 4 years older then what’s in the 20D.

Cost:
Right now the extra $500-$700 is a lot of money for me. I hope to get at least $600 out of my rebel package (with two sigma lenses). By the time the 20D is out i will have more then enough money to buy that camera i wont however have the money to buy a used 1D.

Brings me to my next point, used 1D:
I dont like buying second hand items. I dont want to have to cringe when UPS comes to the door with my ebayed 1D.

There is no clear choice here. I'm gonna play it by ear for now. An ear that is open to all routes, but tends to lean to one side or the other.

[neil_r]

That really is some problem, check out some of sGu's posts he has just gone from a 10D to a D1 and he seems to be over the moon, some of his D1 pics are stunning.

Here is a starter for 10

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=39479&highlight=

And good luch with whatever choice you make

N

[cmM]

timmy....
I suggest you wait until the 1DsMKII comes out. :wink:

[timmyquest]

timmy....
I suggest you wait until the 1DsMKII comes out. :wink:

Not interested in it, sorry.

[timmyquest]

Well today i watched some of the MarkII tutorial on the canon website and so i'm leaning more towards the 1D it's 8fps, 45 point AF and 1/500 sync speed.

[roanjohn]

Just do it!!!!

Juandee!!!! You won't be sorry. How do I know??............not really sure.

Ro1

[timmyquest]

Just do it!!!!

Juandee!!!! You won't be sorry. How do I know??............not really sure.

Ro1

I'd be broke

$1500 vs

$2200 + a new WA lens

[timmyquest]

I asked my G/F and after i explained the differences, her verdict:

"Get the old one"

[timmyquest]

I made up my mind, i'm looking for a 1D if anyone has one for sale.

[Persian-Rice]

Finally, the guy decides...............hahahaha

I think you will be much happier with the 1D.................

Cheers.

[cmM]

give him a couple hours, a day at most.... he'll go back into the state of dilemma. :wink:

[timmyquest]

give him a couple hours, a day at most.... he'll go back into the state of dilemma. :wink:

Nope, i've already got a guy here interested in my rebel, and i'm talking to a guy on the FM forums about buying his 1D.

The truth is that deep down i knew what i wanted. And when i see photos like this

http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=41467

And i'm not even talking about content, i'm talking about how the images look. It's that 1D pop, i guess it's from the sensor type, i dont know. It was once explained by someone as "Not looking like digital photos". I guess that fits it well.

I dont know, there are many things that go into, the biggest being 1.3, 45point AF, 1/500 sync speed, and hell 8fps could be fun at some point.

Also when i can talk to someone with no idea what these features truely mean and they tell me to get the one i really wanted all along...well it's just gotta be.

[maderito]

The truth is that deep down i knew what i wanted. And when i see photos like this

http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=41467

And i'm not even talking about content, i'm talking about how the images look. It's that 1D pop, i guess it's from the sensor type, i dont know. It was once explained by someone as "Not looking like digital photos". I guess that fits it well.


Timmy,

You may have to also invest in the 400 f/2.8 IS that sGU used to get those shots. They are stunning - but I think it's a combination of camera, lens, and - most importantly - photographer.

I'm thinking you might want to sweat out this "decision" a little more until we see some actions shots from the 20D. That may take awhile. When the 1DMkII first came out, there was a lot of buzz about image quality and precious little about its handling for sports photography. I'm still not clear whether there's a significant difference between the 1D and 1D MkII in capturing action. Clearly we don't know yet - despite some claims - whether the 20D will qualify as sports action worthy. IMO, the 10D is not.

Also, the crop issue is significant - as you've already pointed out. The pixels obviously double from 4MP to 8 MP and the linear resolution increases about 41% - sqrt(2). That's a lot of extra room for cropping shots - which you'll continue to do a lot of until you get your 400 f/2.8 image stabilized professional sports photographer lens. :)

I honestly read your initial post as making a case for the 20D - or at least waiting for more info on the 20D. The 1D vs. 20D for sportshooting is a VERY interesting question. The last word has yet to be written.

[timmyquest]

Well the whole time i really wanted the 1D the only advantages that the 20D has to me are the resolution/IQ and ETTL2 and of course noise controll.

I havnt spoken to a single soul who has not been happy with this purchase. Part of what i was excited about when thinking of upgrading was the viewfinder, to find that the 20D will be exactly the same as the D300 is upsetting.