20D Mass hysteria?

[PekkaM]

Sorry for inflammatory topic but I couldn't resist ;)

Anyway, what I've seen on multiple forums is that people are starting to sell their 10D's, 300D's etc. and discuss to no end about which store takes preorders and when. Do you actually feel limited by your current equipment? I understand pros who want a "cheap" backup camera for their work but everybodys acting like their 10D's became obsolete overnight and expect to take seriously better photos with their new camera...

Others ponder, whether they should get 10D now or wait for 20D, maybe until christmas or so. I think the question is whether you want to take pics now or later and waiters end up allways waiting for something better (if they are consistent in their argumentation, that is).

In the end, equipment is nice but being out and taking them photos is what really matters

[tommykjensen]

I have signed up for a 20D because I would like the extra flexibility this model has opposed to 300D.

But I am not going to sell my 300D until I have the 20D in my hands. And maybe I will keep 300D when I get 20D - I don't know yet.

I agree that it is kind of crazy that people start selling their 10D's and 300D's before they can get their hands on 20D :roll:

[Andy_T]

PekkaM,

basically, you're right and it's all about getting the shot.

However, don't forget that there's a bunch of gearheads in this forum who just love discussing the newest and greatest additions to Canon's product portfolio.

If not, we'd maybe all be using D30's... (not that that was that bad, but still...)

Best regards,
Andy

[Jesper]

I have a 10D and I'm going to keep it. The 20D solves many of the small annoyances of the 10D, such as the slow startup time - see the 20D Preview on dpreview.com (http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canoneos20d/). It looks like a very nice camera, but the 10D is also a great camera and the difference is not so enormous that I can justify upgrading to the 20D for myself. I'm going to wait one or two more years for the successor to the 20D.

If I were looking for a DSLR now and I wouldn't have the 10D, I would definitely wait a month and get the 20D!

I think it's not smart to go into panic mood and sell your 300D or 10D for a much too low price now.

[karusel]

I honestly couldn't care less about the 20D, since I find my 10D completely sufficient, but I am worried about the dropping price. After 2 years 10D will be priced at... $400? I really wouldn't like to sell mine for a pack of peanuts and a can of beer...

[hmhm]

The dirty secret about the DSLR crowd is that we each blend an interest in photography with a certain, errm, "acquisitive nature" in varying proportions. The surge of interest when a new toy, errm, photographic tool appears on the scene is partly an interest in having something new to buy. It's not all that different from "shiny red sports car in the driveway, new car smell" delirium.

Personally, I'm trying to work through my recovery ("my name is Harry, and I'm..."). Step 2 (after realizing you have a problem), is to start selling some of your stuff on ebay.

From a practical perspective, a teensy bit less noise at high iso and a teensy bit more megapixels and a teensy bit faster frame rate isn't going to make a whole lot of difference for the type of shooting I do. The problem I really want to solve is the "high quality wide-angle lens" problem, it would be nice if the solution was a couple of EF-S lenses (and thus my own potential interest in the 20D), as the 1Ds solution is a bit expensive.
-harry

[Morden]

I want my 20D and I want it NOW! :evil:

[Cadwell]

:wink:

There are three types of prospective 20D "upgraders"...

The Type As are upgrading from an earlier model dSLR because the features of the 20D offer a significant update on their current capability.

The Type Bs are buying them because they have to have the latest gadget, regardless of cost.

The Type Cs are buying them because they reckon all these whiz-bang features will make them a better photographer.

Now, the Type As are going to be happy, the Type Bs will be happy for a short while ('cos there's always another new gadget to buy, isn't there?) and the Type Cs are going to be sorely disapointed.

In their hearts, I suspect all prospective 20D "upgraders" know which type they are :P

;)

[roanjohn]

:wink:

There are three types of prospective 20D "upgraders"...

;)

Thats strange..........i somehow fit in all those categories. :?

:wink:

Ro1

[Cadwell]

Thats strange..........i somehow fit in all those categories. :?

:wink:

Ro1

In which case I predict that you will be deliriously happy for a short period, then generally happy but with the odd miserable day :P ;)

[Morden]

There are three types of prospective 20D "upgraders"...

The Type As are upgrading from an earlier model dSLR because the features of the 20D offer a significant update on their current capability.

The Type Bs are buying them because they have to have the latest gadget, regardless of cost.

The Type Cs are buying them because they reckon all these whiz-bang features will make them a better photographer.

Now, the Type As are going to be happy, the Type Bs will be happy for a short while ('cos there's always another new gadget to buy, isn't there?) and the Type Cs are going to be sorely disapointed.

In their hearts, I suspect all prospective 20D "upgraders" know which type they are :P

To be honest, I fit into A and B; some of the improvements to the 20D (over my 10D) are very significant to me BUT I also like shiny new toys! :P

[roanjohn]

Thats strange..........i somehow fit in all those categories. :?

:wink:

Ro1

In which case I predict that you will be deliriously happy for a short period, then generally happy but with the odd miserable day :P ;)

.....................similar to getting drunk................... :lol: :lol:

Ro1

[malum]

:wink:

There are three types of prospective 20D "upgraders"...

The Type As are upgrading from an earlier model dSLR because the features of the 20D offer a significant update on their current capability.

The Type Bs are buying them because they have to have the latest gadget, regardless of cost.

The Type Cs are buying them because they reckon all these whiz-bang features will make them a better photographer.

Now, the Type As are going to be happy, the Type Bs will be happy for a short while ('cos there's always another new gadget to buy, isn't there?) and the Type Cs are going to be sorely disapointed.

In their hearts, I suspect all prospective 20D "upgraders" know which type they are :P

;)

Or Type D, don't have a DSLR and reckon that the 20D is the best value for money as a first one

[Andy_T]

:wink:

There are three types of prospective 20D "upgraders"...

The Type As are upgrading from an earlier model dSLR because the features of the 20D offer a significant update on their current capability.

The Type Bs are buying them because they have to have the latest gadget, regardless of cost.

The Type Cs are buying them because they reckon all these whiz-bang features will make them a better photographer.

Now, the Type As are going to be happy, the Type Bs will be happy for a short while ('cos there's always another new gadget to buy, isn't there?) and the Type Cs are going to be sorely disapointed.

In their hearts, I suspect all prospective 20D "upgraders" know which type they are :P

;)

The Type Ds are those who just ... can afford to upgrade :twisted:

Best regards,
Andy

[Aylwin]

:wink:

There are three types of prospective 20D "upgraders"...

The Type As are upgrading from an earlier model dSLR because the features of the 20D offer a significant update on their current capability.

The Type Bs are buying them because they have to have the latest gadget, regardless of cost.

The Type Cs are buying them because they reckon all these whiz-bang features will make them a better photographer.

Now, the Type As are going to be happy, the Type Bs will be happy for a short while ('cos there's always another new gadget to buy, isn't there?) and the Type Cs are going to be sorely disapointed.

In their hearts, I suspect all prospective 20D "upgraders" know which type they are :P

;)
Hi everyone, my name is Aylwin and I'm a type B upgrader. :oops: I wouldn't say regardless of cost though. Otherwise, I'd have a 1D MKII by now. :wink:

[Vegas Poboy]

I'm type A,
I needed a backup DSLR, that will be my 10D
I wanted some the features of the Mark II but can't justify $4500.00 for a part time Job/hobby
Overall I'm sure things will slow down due to the holiday season is coming & the PMA is in March. More overtime is needed & if you work all the OT when will you have time to shoot :?

[elfyrulz]

:? I might replace my 300D soon but for now Im focus on getting L lens

[roanjohn]

:? I might replace my 300D soon but for now Im focus on getting L lens

Which puts you on the Type L category - Users who put more emphasis on the lens than the body.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Funny enough, I also fit in this category. :?

Ro1

[Jon]

:wink:

There are three types of prospective 20D "upgraders"...

The Type As are upgrading from an earlier model dSLR because the features of the 20D offer a significant update on their current capability.

The Type Bs are buying them because they have to have the latest gadget, regardless of cost.

The Type Cs are buying them because they reckon all these whiz-bang features will make them a better photographer.

Now, the Type As are going to be happy, the Type Bs will be happy for a short while ('cos there's always another new gadget to buy, isn't there?) and the Type Cs are going to be sorely disapointed.

In their hearts, I suspect all prospective 20D "upgraders" know which type they are :P

;)

The Type Ds are those who just ... can afford to upgrade :twisted:

Best regards,
Andy

And that differs from "B" how? Unless you mean that they could afford to upgrade, but choose not to?

[Andy_T]

And that differs from "B" how? Unless you mean that they could afford to upgrade, but choose not to?

Hmmm, lemme think...

'B' will say 'There's the latest gadget ... I have to have it ... so the kids'll have to go begging on the street corner again'
'D' will say 'There's some new thing to be had ... yawn ... so I'll just get it'

Unfortunately, I don't belong into one of these categories ... too little money for 'D', and my wife will punch me if I try 'B'.

Best regards,
Andy

[Chris1le]

I'd like to get a 20D and then use my 10D for backup or use both in situations where I need a wide and long lens and don't want to be changing lenses all the time. I do not see myself getting rid of my 10D. Things break. A 10D would be a damn fine "backup" camera. 8)

Right now I'm spending my money on items that will last a little longer than the yearly body upgrades. Things like Lenses, Bags, CF cards, etc... I figure by the time I get all these items the 30D should be released. :D

[Morden]

I'd like to get a 20D and then use my 10D for backup or use both in situations where I need a wide and long lens and don't want to be changing lenses all the time. I do not see myself getting rid of my 10D. Things break. A 10D would be a damn fine "backup" camera. 8)

That's my plan; keep the 10D as a (very good) backup body. :)

[drisley]

I have signed up for a 20D because I would like the extra flexibility this model has opposed to 300D.

But I am not going to sell my 300D until I have the 20D in my hands. And maybe I will keep 300D when I get 20D - I don't know yet.

I agree that it is kind of crazy that people start selling their 10D's and 300D's before they can get their hands on 20D :roll:

Ditto

[CyberDyneSystems]

I'm a Type CDS....

I'll be getting one when it is actually available and I don't have to wait.

I guess I'm impatient because the reason I will be getting one is the same.. so I don't have to wait.

I'm excited about my backup camera having the same nearly instant on start up time that the MkII has. Waiting for the 10D is really starting to get on my nerves. :)

[robertwgross]

As far as I am concerned, it all seems like a well-orchestrated campaign on the part of the Canon marketing department. They have generated exactly the kind of consumer pull that they wanted.

If a company is trying to sell a terrible product, then they have to push it.

Canon gets consumers fired up so that they pull the product. That's advanced product marketing 101.

---Bob Gross---

[samdring]

There are three types of prospective 20D "upgraders"...

The Type As are upgrading from an earlier model dSLR because the features of the 20D offer a significant update on their current capability.

The Type Bs are buying them because they have to have the latest gadget, regardless of cost.

The Type Cs are buying them because they reckon all these whiz-bang features will make them a better photographer.

Now, the Type As are going to be happy, the Type Bs will be happy for a short while ('cos there's always another new gadget to buy, isn't there?) and the Type Cs are going to be sorely disapointed.

In their hearts, I suspect all prospective 20D "upgraders" know which type they are :P

To be honest, I fit into A and B; some of the improvements to the 20D (over my 10D) are very significant to me BUT I also like shiny new toys! :P

AB Negative then

[mdude85]

I honestly couldn't care less about the 20D, since I find my 10D completely sufficient, but I am worried about the dropping price. After 2 years 10D will be priced at... $400? I really wouldn't like to sell mine for a pack of peanuts and a can of beer...

Ha, no way... used D60s are still selling for as much money as new 300Ds. In 2 years the 10D will probably be $800. The D30 is almost 5 years old and still people can't find a decent one for $400.

To answer the question ... I could see people upgrading from a 300D to a 20D, but upgrading to a 20D from a 10D seems kind of foolish right now ... wait a few months or something.

[timmyquest]

Do you actually feel limited by your current equipment?

Yes, the lack of AI/Servo mostly. But if i'm going to upgrade i'm going to upgrade to the best i can afford.

I havnt sold anything yet, i havnt been put on any lists.

I will most likely not rely on the sale of my 300D to help pay for my 20D (or 1D if i do indeed go with that) as i cant see myself without a camera for more then a couple days.

[karusel]

This damn consumer fuzz is getting so annoying that I think I'll turn against the current and keep the 10D until I can afford a camera with full size sensor. That would be some progress, not this. I hate modern marketing just by turning on TV or clicking on some randome interweb page, I hate it even more when I realize I'm a quite regular consumer.

I protest against this crap and I'll just make as many of them mo' better shots as I can. I won't even touch a thread mentioning 20D with a 60-foot pole.

[openspace]

The most important piece of photography gear is not a camera body. It is not a lens. It is the creative eye.

Matt Lancaster is a good friend who still shoots with consumer grade Nikon film bodies and lenses. Not an F5, digital body or (gotta have!!) "pro" lens in the bag.

But that hasn't kept him from selling poster-sized prints in fine art galleries throughout Colorado. He has sold images to the Sierra Club and national magazines. He is a regular contributor to the Denver Post, the higherst circulation paper in the state. His images grace the walls of fine restaurants and professional offices. And he is represented by a media agent.

Luck? No. A gift. A creative eye. Something no amount of gear can ever give you. Pekka is right. Get out there and shoot.

Check out Matt's work at http://www.remarkableearth.com

[Mark Kemp]

I want one as a backup for my D30 :D

[perfectpixel]

I'd only switch to the 20D if Canon offered a trade in program and I could turn in my 10D and pick up a 20D for ~$500.
The investment is in the lenses.
It seems dSLRs will be like PCs: upgrade about every 16 months if you can afford it, or wait until you're WAY behind the curve.

I've had my 10D for ~12 months. and have shot ~5K pix.
Sad I don't have a 20D, but am I glad I didnt wait around for it? you bet!

BTW, when will the 1DMkII be affordable? :)

[boBquincy]

I don't see enough improvement to the end result (the print) over the 10D to make a 20D worth buying.

8 MP instead of 6 MP, a little less noise at high ISO, etc. is not likely to make much of a difference in my photos. I can 'only' print up to 13x19" and images from the 10D seem to be fine for that size.

Maybe I'll go for the 30D in another 18 months... ;)


boB

[PekkaM]

Even worse now. Maybe half of the posts on the page 1 are "where's my 20D", "where can I get 20D" or "just got my 20D!!!".

Seriously, I'm not usually the one to complain about forum etiquette but the information is getting lost in all the 20D, why not put similar posts in one thread? ;)

[SENster7]

I don't see enough improvement to the end result (the print) over the 10D to make a 20D worth buying.

8 MP instead of 6 MP, a little less noise at high ISO, etc. is not likely to make much of a difference in my photos. I can 'only' print up to 13x19" and images from the 10D seem to be fine for that size.

Maybe I'll go for the 30D in another 18 months... ;)


boB

ETTL-II is worth going to the 20D alone...

[photography By Evangelos]

Yes and I want one too! :lol:

[Jorge]

I want one as a backup for my D30 :D

Good idea - don´t know if the 20D or 1D Mk II would be a better backup for the D30

[HJMinard]

Even worse now. Maybe half of the posts on the page 1 are "where's my 20D", "where can I get 20D" or "just got my 20D!!!".

Seriously, I'm not usually the one to complain about forum etiquette but the information is getting lost in all the 20D, why not put similar posts in one thread? ;)

At first I thought you were a bit of a whiner :wink:
Now I'm starting to agree with you. The 20D apparently needs it's own subject heading. Perhaps we're just jealous ... :(

[Mark_Cohran]

I purchased a 20D earlier this week. I already have a 10D and a backup D60, and yes, I used to have a D30. I was really skeptical about getting the 20D and was actually saving my money for the 1D MK II, but I went down to the camera shop and handled the camera, shot with it, and determined that it resolved most of the issues that I had with the 10D without the significant cost of upgrading to the 1D.

I shoot a lot of festival and show photography and the instant on feature of the 20D with the improved focus capability is what sold me on the upgrade. Most of my investment is in lenses, but the capability of the camera body does make a difference for me in terms of the type of photography I do.

[HKdom]

I like the burst rate and the extra bit of crop space 8MP can give me.

[HJMinard]

Even worse now. Maybe half of the posts on the page 1 are "where's my 20D", "where can I get 20D" or "just got my 20D!!!".

Seriously, I'm not usually the one to complain about forum etiquette but the information is getting lost in all the 20D, why not put similar posts in one thread? ;)

At first I thought you were a bit of a whiner :wink:
Now I'm starting to agree with you. The 20D apparently needs it's own subject heading. Perhaps we're just jealous ... :(

PekkaM ... now the hysteria has even hijacked your thread about hysteria :lol: :!: :!:

[timmyquest]

I'd only switch to the 20D if Canon offered a trade in program and I could turn in my 10D and pick up a 20D for ~$500.
The investment is in the lenses.
It seems dSLRs will be like PCs: upgrade about every 16 months if you can afford it, or wait until you're WAY behind the curve.

I've had my 10D for ~12 months. and have shot ~5K pix.
Sad I don't have a 20D, but am I glad I didnt wait around for it? you bet!

BTW, when will the 1DMkII be affordable? :)

This is indeed the case, the trick is to buy the best that you can at the time...hopefully the top of the line.

I've had my computer for 2 years now and it's still a powerhouse...i shouldnt need to upgrade for another year and a half i guess.

[flyfishnj]

I'm waiting for the 30D

[CyberDyneSystems]

I'm waiting for the 30D


Yes.. then maybe all the 20D threads will finally slow down :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[johnmate]

Currently 27 threads on the first forum screen containing '20D' in the subject

[Perfect_10]

All this coming from people that were more than happy with their previous equipment up until now .. how sad. :cry:

How about setting up a 20D wannabe forum :idea: so we can all get back to reading and writing about serious DSLR stuff .. instead of having to wade thru this "I want my 20D now" "where's my 20D" BS. :roll: :roll:

Plus I don't want to have to change my handle cos I got a new camera .. LOL :lol:

[CyberDyneSystems]

lol,. there's a 1DMkII and 1Ds shooter here who is still called "DansD60"

[Sam North]

The most important piece of photography gear is not a camera body. It is not a lens. It is the creative eye.

Matt Lancaster is a good friend who still shoots with consumer grade Nikon film bodies and lenses. Not an F5, digital body or (gotta have!!) "pro" lens in the bag.

But that hasn't kept him from selling poster-sized prints in fine art galleries throughout Colorado. He has sold images to the Sierra Club and national magazines. He is a regular contributor to the Denver Post, the higherst circulation paper in the state. His images grace the walls of fine restaurants and professional offices. And he is represented by a media agent.

Luck? No. A gift. A creative eye. Something no amount of gear can ever give you. Pekka is right. Get out there and shoot.

Check out Matt's work at http://www.remarkableearth.com


Hey Openspace,

You've got it in one! I read recently in a photo magazine, "... many amateur photographers forget that great shots need great lenses." This is utter nonsense.

I will visit Matt Lancaster's site sometime soon.

Sam

[imagesense]

I think many pros will buy two of everything when they buy at all because of consistency in workflow. Since I can only afford one 20D right now, I don't think I'll be letting my 300D go anytime soon. It's a great little camera and in a pinch it can be a good backup.
I do weddings with both film and digital right now, so my backups are film cameras, but I can see why some people would basically trade up their current systems for the latest technology - ease of workflow.

My 300D will probably become my wife's camera if I get a second 20D or whatever is next. The pictures are mostly great right out of the camera.

Lou