Foo Fighters at O2, London

[lawry]

to be honest my pics werent anything extraordinary as they were taken from the crowd (was a bit of a hassle to sneak in a DSLR with a heavy lense), but I thought these few shots were allright so thought I might as well share them ;)


http://www.pahlo.com/photo/foo03.jpg



http://www.pahlo.com/photo/foo02.jpg



http://www.pahlo.com/photo/foo01.jpg

[sspellman]

Lawry-

At least you actually own these pictures! While I'll like the Foo Fighters musically, I have no respect for how they treat concert photogs like me. The FF photo release requires a full copyright transfer to the artist as a condition of getting approval to take pictures. I will never shoot them again.

-Scott

[bacchanal]

Lawry-

At least you actually own these pictures! While I'll like the Foo Fighters musically, I have no respect for how they treat concert photogs like me. The FF photo release requires a full copyright transfer to the artist as a condition of getting approval to take pictures. I will never shoot them again.

-Scott

What the heck. I thought they were supposed to fight foo, not create it.

[CanonXTuser]

Lawry-

At least you actually own these pictures! While I'll like the Foo Fighters musically, I have no respect for how they treat concert photogs like me. The FF photo release requires a full copyright transfer to the artist as a condition of getting approval to take pictures. I will never shoot them again.

-Scott


yup, Velvet Revolver also while Killers and Beyonce have extremely restrictive guidelines, if allow photogs at all.

we're losing press access to public events as well as people allowing further encroaching on photographer's rights and marginalizing of photographer's as professionals ... an apologist photographers themselves are foolishly allowing it [presuming they want to have concert photography, if they want to kill mainstream concert photography, then its not foolish, they're doing a great job].

the shots are great for how they were taken.

[sspellman]

[quote=CanonXTuser;4431049]yup, Velvet Revolver also while Killers and Beyonce have extremely restrictive guidelines, if allow photogs at all.
quote]

I can respect at least the concept of restrictions, and I have shot VR, the Killers, and Beyonce with Destinys Child. But the Foo were the only ones I have seen to require Copyright transfer.

[jenirose3]

I actually LOVE #2. i would have love to see the profile a little more but that image ROCKS!

Dave G is HOT! ;P

[CanonXTuser]

[quote=CanonXTuser;4431049]yup, Velvet Revolver also while Killers and Beyonce have extremely restrictive guidelines, if allow photogs at all.
quote]

I can respect at least the concept of restrictions, and I have shot VR, the Killers, and Beyonce with Destinys Child. But the Foo were the only ones I have seen to require Copyright transfer.

stay alert for it. it's practice is spreading. Killers on recent tours allowing no photogging [posts about that on the forum] and numerous people on myspace concert photography encountered the rights clause at VR concerts this fall.

[CanonXTuser]

[quote=CanonXTuser;4431049]yup, Velvet Revolver also while Killers and Beyonce have extremely restrictive guidelines, if allow photogs at all.
quote]

I can respect at least the concept of restrictions, and I have shot VR, the Killers, and Beyonce with Destinys Child. But the Foo were the only ones I have seen to require Copyright transfer.

stay alert for it. it's practice is spreading. Killers on recent tours allowing no photogging [posts about that on the forum] and numerous people on myspace concert photography group encountered the rights clause at VR concerts this fall.

There's actually a thread in the myspace group where they collect such clauses and a photo from Balt/DC area named Walter Rowe tracks the prevalence of such clauses, asking people to send him copies of contracts/clauses they were required to sign to photog.

[blackshadow]

Firstly - nothing too exciting in these photos - typical shots from the crowd IMHO

Secondly - if you smuggle your camera in I have no sympathy for it being confiscated, lost, damaged etc

Thirdly - I have lost all respect for the Foo Fighters over their release - this is the text of their release:

PHOTO RELEASE

Dated:



I _______________________ (name of photographer) hereby agree to the following in favor of FOO FIGHTERS ("you") with respect to the photographs to be taken by me of the members of FOO FIGHTERS (either as a group or as individuals) on the date referenced below (the "Photos"):



1. I have the limited right and permission to use the Photos, subject to your approval of the Photos, solely in connection with one (1) article about FOO FIGHTERS contained in ___________________ _____________________ [name and description of article, publication or other medium]. The Photos may be used only in an article, publication or other medium initially disseminated to the public within one year of the date of this agreement. I shall have no right to use or re-use the Photos in whole or in part, in any medium or for any purpose whatsoever, including, without limitation, promotion, advertising, and trade, without your written consent therefor.



2. I hereby acknowledge that you shall own all rights in the Photos, including the copyrights therein and thereto, and accordingly, I hereby grant, transfer, convey and assign to you all right, title and interest throughout the universe in perpetuity, including, without limitation, the copyright (and all renewals and extensions thereof), in and to the Photos. I agree that you shall have the right to exploit all or a part of the Photos in any and all media, now known or hereafter devised, throughout the universe, in perpetuity, in all configurations as you determine, without obtaining my consent and without any payment or consideration therefor. I understand that you will give me appropriate "photo credit" where possible. I understand further that all aspects of said "photo credit" shall be determined by you in your sole discretion and that failure to accord said "photo credit" shall not be deemed a breach of any obligation, express or implied. I will, upon request, execute, acknowledge and deliver to you such additional documents as you may deem necessary to evidence and effectuate your rights hereunder, and I hereby grant to you the right as attorney-in-fact to execute, acknowledge, deliver and record in the U.S. Copyright Office or elsewhere any and all such documents if I shall fail to execute same within five (5) days after so requested by you.



3. You may assign your rights under this agreement in whole or in part.



4. I hereby waive all rights of droit moral or "moral right of authors" or any similar rights or principles of law which I may now have or later have in the Photos. I warrant and represent that I have the right to execute this Release and that the Photos are and shall be new and original with me. I shall indemnify and hold you, and your employees, officers, agents, assignees and licensees, harmless from and against any losses, costs, liabilities, claims, damages or expenses arising out of any claim by a third party which is inconsistent with any warranty or representation made by me in this Release.



5. This Release contains the entire understanding of the parties and will be governed by the laws of California applicable to contracts entered into in California.



IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have signed this Release effective as of this ______ day of _____________________, 20____.





By: ___________________________________________

Photographer

[René Damkot]

Well, if they don't want to be photographed, wouldn't it be easier to just say so?
There's no way I'd sign something like that... :rolleyes:

[narlus]

wow, talk about a restrictive waiver...

i was pretty surprised that i didn't have to sign anything for Neil Young last night...

[earplugsrequired]

When did they start this release? hmm I haven't shot them in a couple of years but back then we didn't have to sign a release. I so want to shoot them. Partially because yeah it's the Foos but also because my friend does the lights and always lets me know what my situation will be for my songs.

[lawry]

Secondly - if you smuggle your camera in I have no sympathy for it being confiscated, lost, damaged etc

well I dont really need any sympathy as I still have my camera :rolleyes:

that waiver sucks though, had no idea about that.

[tipsy]

I'd rip it up and shove it in the tour manager's mouth if i got the chance.
I'd try and make sure they handed over a press pass first though.

x

[JSJR4]

I think you did a good job considering you were in the crowd

[Lefty Ray]

Although I do not condone sneaking in a camera, I would also not sign that release. My work has value.

The only exception is if I am hired directly by the artisit and if they want a total buyout, then I price my services accordingly.

One thing I look at down the road is a possible book or art gallery type of show of my work. I always include a clause for these 2 possibilities.