Choices Choices

[Tin-Cup]

ok i would love some help on deciding which cam to get.. i dont need it that soon so i can wait a while ive been borrowing a cam (10d) ever since my cam got stolen *sniff sniff* im not sure what to get...

i want and need a dslr

choices so far are

10d
20d
300d

not sure which lenses but i would like a variety

what do you suggest guys

[Belmondo]

If you have a camera to use and can wait I while, that's exactly what you should do.

I'm seeing the 10D just about everywhere for $1350 right now. I expect it will drop even more when the 20D actually hits the streets.

I don't think I'd bother with the Rebel at this point. It's a good camera, but in this age of instant obsolescence, it’s definitely old news, and will probably never be completely fulfilling if you’ve already cut your baby teeth on a 10D. Don't get me wrong; it’s perfectly capable; just different.
Once the 20D becomes readily available, determine then how much a 10D can be bought for, then weigh the advantages of the 20D and determine for yourself if the extra money is warranted.

Good luck.

[Tin-Cup]

although you answered a good point about waiting (which i will do)

im kind of still confuesd...i take it the 20d will be alot better than the 10d ?

i will be importing it from the states to the uk as it will be loads cheaper... so the way i wil be seeing it the cam will be cheeper anyway, as it stand if i imported a 300d it would save me loads - they are currently the equivelent of 1,337.59usd or 750 gbp... so a 20d wont be bed value to me..

[Boosting1Bar]

I picked up my 10D about 5 months ago for around $1100 at butterflyphoto. They still have it listed for $1117. Their service was excellent, I ordered it around 6pm with overnight shipping and it was here at 10am the next day. I'd highly recommend them.

Also like belmundo said I'd skip on the 300d at this point since you've not only gotten used to the 10D, but also because I just don't care for the way it feels. Feels too flimsy for my tastes.

http://www2.butterflyphoto.com/shop/product.aspx?ref=dealtime&sku=10D

[Belmondo]

I take it the 20d will be alot better than the 10d ?


No, not a lot better, but better. Things like a third more pixels (better resolution), E-TTL II, etc. are important but not critical. You should be using this time to research the differences and determine whether or not they're important enough to justify the difference in price. This falls squarely into the realm of things that only you can decide for yourself. It's your budget, your priorities, your decision.

I can only tell you what I would do, and that is to buy the 20D, but that's more a function of my belief that when buying technology, get as much as you can afford. You'll be happier with it for a longer period of time.

[Tin-Cup]

yeah im pretty sure it will be the 20d

but what about a good range of lenses, i photo all different types of senarios

any suggestions

[timmyquest]

You forgot the extreamly fast write times, the larger buffer, the higher frame rate, and the 9 point AF.

[Cadwell]

i will be importing it from the states to the uk as it will be loads cheaper....

It will indeed. It will also not be covered by a Canon warranty. Something you need to be aware of.

[JLS Photo]

Tin-Cup -

Most importantly, what are you going to be using it for? You may not need to purchase a 20D, if a DR will meet your needs.

[Belmondo]

You forgot the extreamly fast write times, the larger buffer, the higher frame rate, and the 9 point AF.

Actually I didn't forget. All these things have been discussed ad nauseum elsewhere in the forum, and there's no reason to rehash them here. I'm merely suggesting that he acquaint himself with the differences and then make a determination.

Buffer size/speed is important to you, but may not be to a landscape photographer for example.

Don't measure the world with only your yardstick.

[Tin-Cup]

are you sure it wont be covered if i say i moved here?
im sure there is some way of getting around it... if it wasnt nearly double then it wouldnt be a problem...but the price difference is huge,

i know it depends on my uses but i want it to do me in 2 years which the 20 will unless im doing well god knows what

[Cadwell]

are you sure it wont be covered if i say i moved here?
im sure there is some way of getting around it... if it wasnt nearly double then it wouldnt be a problem...but the price difference is huge,

i know it depends on my uses but i want it to do me in 2 years which the 20 will unless im doing well god knows what

Canon UK have stated that they will not honour the warranty on any camera bodies purchased outside the EU. Lenses are OK. This has been confirmed in the past by members of this forum who have contacted Canon.

If you want verification I suggest you contact Canon yourself. I understand the desire to avoid being ripped off by UK prices but you need to be aware of the implications... it would be an unpleasant surprise should you have a warranty issue and Canon said "Sorry - you'll need to send it to the US for servicing".

[Tin-Cup]

are you sure it wont be covered if i say i moved here?
im sure there is some way of getting around it... if it wasnt nearly double then it wouldnt be a problem...but the price difference is huge,

i know it depends on my uses but i want it to do me in 2 years which the 20 will unless im doing well god knows what

Canon UK have stated that they will not honour the warranty on any camera bodies purchased outside the EU. Lenses are OK. This has been confirmed in the past by members of this forum who have contacted Canon.

If you want verification I suggest you contact Canon yourself. I understand the desire to avoid being ripped off by UK prices but you need to be aware of the implications... it would be an unpleasant surprise should you have a warranty issue and Canon said "Sorry - you'll need to send it to the US for servicing".

no i believe you... i just thought there might have been a way around... obviously not though.... i would have to way up the savings to risk ratio

anyway where is hants do you live?

[Cadwell]

no i believe you... i just thought there might have been a way around... obviously not though.... i would have to way up the savings to risk ratio

anyway where is hants do you live?

The North end. Up on the Surrey/Berkshire border.

I know some people have talked about buying third party international warranties. They might be worth looking into. I don't know any details though.

[Kenski]

10d for $1350??? Huh? The 10D is now $1150...

If you want to know where PM me... I was back visiting my parents this weekend and and stopped in a local camera shop looking at monopods and asked how much the 10D... My jaw DROPPED when he told me $1150....

[gcogger]

The price from the US may not be as much cheaper as you think :-(

First off, you generally get a poorer exchange rate on a credit card than you expect.

Second, VAT is payable on the cost of the camera including P&P. The major shippers (UPS, DHL etc.) ensure that you pay VAT.

Third, the shipping company will charge you for collecting the VAT - generally over £10, and could be a lot more.

Let's take the 20D as an example:

Buy from Adorama (there are cheaper places, but they don't ship to the UK!).
Price inc P&P = $1570.45
Convert to Sterling = £903.47 (www.oanda.com, credit card rate - optimistic!)
Add VAT = £1061.58
Add handling fee = £1075 (roughly!)

Or, buy from:
http://www.cameradepot.co.uk/mall/productpage.cfm/cameradepot/SLRDIG-165/53864
= £1049 inc shipping :-)

Now, you may be able to find a slightly cheaper deal from the USA (although you must check whether they ship to the UK), but it doesn't seem worth the effort.

[Boosting1Bar]

10d for $1350??? Huh? The 10D is now $1150...

If you want to know where PM me... I was back visiting my parents this weekend and and stopped in a local camera shop looking at monopods and asked how much the 10D... My jaw DROPPED when he told me $1150....

It's $30 cheaper than that in my link above.

[roanjohn]

Reasons why I want the 20D:

1. 0.2 sec start up time!!! This is a huge deal for me.
2. 1/8000 max shutter speed. Finally I can use my 85 f1.8 at 1.8 in daylight.
3. Better AF with 5 fps!!! Kewl!!!
4. Lower noise.
5. And its black!!! (I know its superficial, but I have the Rebel syndrome).

Ro1

[Tin-Cup]

Reasons why I want the 20D:

1. 0.2 sec start up time!!! This is a huge deal for me.
2. 1/8000 max shutter speed. Finally I can use my 85 f1.8 at 1.8 in daylight.
3. Better AF with 5 fps!!! Kewl!!!
4. Lower noise.
5. And its black!!! (I know its superficial, but I have the Rebel syndrome).

Ro1

you got to say that start up is VERY impressive....