Adjustments in Lightroom different than Bridge + ACR?

[humblesound]

Hi there,

I recently purchase a G9 and am having my first experiences working with RAW format. I've figured out that converting to Adobe's DNG helps retain my white balance, that's fine and lovely!

I am now trying to decide which photo management and processing application I like the best, Bridge with ACR or Lightroom, but have run into something that confuses me...

Are the adjustments made by Lightroom different by ACR?

When I view the photos I have processed in Lightroom inside of Bridge, they show up very differently. The settings seem to have shifted and don't really reflect what I did in Lightroom. They show up as having adjustments made to them, but the adjustments aren't the same ones I made.

Are the two incompatible with one another?

Thanks!

[FlyingPhotog]

AFAIK, the backbone of the Lightroom "Develop" module is ACR.

I've not used Bridge as an editing tool but you might (and someone correct me if I'm in the weeds here) be seeing a shift due to a different color space in each?

[humblesound]

I've not used Bridge as an editing tool but you might (and someone correct me if I'm in the weeds here) be seeing a shift due to a different color space in each?


I thought something like that, but it isn't even retaining if the image is using Greyscale conversion instead of Color.

[rfreschner]

Have you saved the changes you made in LR back to the DNG file? They won't show up when you open the file in Bridge otherwise. Also, as far as the images in Bridge looking as if they've had adjustments made to them, Bridge's default behavior is to automatically adjust RAW images. You would need to uncheck the Auto adjustment and then save that as the default.

[In2Photos]

Have you saved the changes you made in LR back to the DNG file? They won't show up when you open the file in Bridge otherwise. Also, as far as the images in Bridge looking as if they've had adjustments made to them, Bridge's default behavior is to automatically adjust RAW images. You would need to uncheck the Auto adjustment and then save that as the default.
To add to this you have to be using a compatible version of Bridge to "see" the edits from LR once they have been saved to the DNG file. So which version of PS/Bridge are you using? You will need CS3 or possibly PSE6 to see the changes from LR as older versions of PS/Bridge do not have certain adjustments.

[rfreschner]

To add to this you have to be using a compatible version of Bridge to "see" the edits from LR once they have been saved to the DNG file.

Excellent point.... CS2 with ACR 3.7 I believe will also show the adjustments although you won't be able to make changes to any of the newer adjustments (Clarity, etc.) in Bridge.

[Lester Wareham]

I thought something like that, but it isn't even retaining if the image is using Greyscale conversion instead of Color.

You could still see a difference in a grayscale image if there is a colour space mismatch issue because the colour spaces might have a different gamma. A typical issue might be using a calibrated monitor colour space n one application and none or a different one in the other application.

[rfreschner]

I took this to mean the OP had a color image that he did a grayscale converion on in LR, but it was still showing up in Bridge in color. Could be mistaken though.....

[Lester Wareham]

I took this to mean the OP had a color image that he did a grayscale converion on in LR, but it was still showing up in Bridge in color. Could be mistaken though.....

No you could be right, have to wait for the OP to tell us...

[ibdb]

Haven't really played with DNG and a LR/Bridge/ACR combination, but here's what I've observed with straight RAW files (CR2).

If you don't have LR write the changes to XMP, Bridge /ACR won't be able to show you any of your changes.

If the changes were made in LR, and are stored only in the LR database, Bridge/ACR can't access them. If you make changes in LR, and write the changes to XMP, then Bridge/ACR should show the changes.

The other way around is also a little complicated. If you make an change through ACR/Bridge, and write the change to XMP, then go back to LR, you won't automatically see the changes. If the file already exists in your catalog, you'll need to tell LR to read the metadata again to get it to see the changes you made outside of LR.

Is it possible that even using DNG there's still a need to make sure the changes get written to metadata, and not stored internally in a LR database?

[Lester Wareham]

Wow, that does not sound like there is any cross line integration at all David, this I'll keep clear of Lightroom and stick with Bridge/ACR.

[rfreschner]

Is it possible that even using DNG there's still a need to make sure the changes get written to metadata, and not stored internally in a LR database?

Yes, the changes still need to be written to metadata from LR and read back in after changes in Bridge/ACR.

[ibdb]

Wow, that does not sound like there is any cross line integration at all David, this I'll keep clear of Lightroom and stick with Bridge/ACR.
I use LR on two machines, and just move the images, and not the entire catalog -- so I'm familiar with writing the changes to metadata and then having LR refresh its view of a file. The problem here isn't just a LR/Bridge/ACR one. LR/LR can have the same problem over more than one computer.

[rfreschner]

The problem here isn't just a LR/Bridge/ACR one. LR/LR can have the same problem over more than one computer.

Or any other cataloging software; such as iView, IMatch, etc.