New Nikons anounced.

[wibbly]

No 20D alternative, for those of us looking for a new DSLR... (yet?)

http://www.dpreview.com/

W

[evilenglishman]

now thats a tempting camera!!! i hate to think what the price tag will be

[davidwegs]

Ditto to that !!

[Big_B]

$3000. There are links to purchase it at the bottom of the page.... very bad idea :twisted:

[slejhamer]

Interesting how, on the 2Dx, they are compensating for possible noise problems (cramming more pixels into the same sized sensor) by limiting ISO to 800. But otherwise this looks like a nice bit of gear.

[roanjohn]

This is nice!!! It seems that Canon and Nikon are trying not to upstage each other.

Last time, Canon introduced the Mark II for the pros and Nikon introduced the D70 for the enthusiast.

Now, Canon introduced the 20D for the enthusiast and Nikon introduced the D2X for the PRO's.

Ro1

[evilenglishman]

$3000. There are links to purchase it at the bottom of the page.... very bad idea :twisted:

i think we are looking at different pages - i dont see a price or a buy button

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0409/04091605nikond2x.asp

[Big_B]

Indeed. God knows what I clicked on!

[PeterTaylor]

OK the new Nikon D2X will have a UK Price tag of £3500 in VAT.
It's very nice.

[evilenglishman]

i hope it is only $3000 though! I would buy it if the UK ripped us off and charged us £3000 for it :D
Iwould guess it will be more in the region of $5000-$6000 though :cry:

[evilenglishman]

Pete, how do you know that?

[scottbergerphoto]

When Nikon figures out how to get color right on a digital camera, I'll take abother look. For now I'll stick with Canon.
Scott

[DaveG]

This is nice!!! It seems that Canon and Nikon are trying not to upstage each other.

Last time, Canon introduced the Mark II for the pros and Nikon introduced the D70 for the enthusiast.

Now, Canon introduced the 20D for the enthusiast and Nikon introduced the D2X for the PRO's.

Ro1

Watch what Canon does next week with the D1S II.

[cmM]

When Nikon figures out how to get color right on a digital camera, I'll take abother look. For now I'll stick with Canon.
Scott
ROFLMAO !!! :P

No matter what Nikon comes up with, I doubt they will be able to beat Canon any time soon and come up with the same or better performance/price ratio as the 20D.

[timmyquest]

Will my L class fit on it :roll:

[Big_B]

$3000. There are links to purchase it at the bottom of the page.... very bad idea :twisted:

i think we are looking at different pages - i dont see a price or a buy button

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0409/04091605nikond2x.asp

Just went back for a look. I had clicked on the D2H

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond2h/

[evilenglishman]

No matter what Nikon comes up with, I doubt they will be able to beat Canon any time soon and come up with the same or better performance/price ratio as the 20D.

Price and performance?

the 20D is approx £1250 in the UK.
if the D2X is indeed £3500 and takes images larger than the current 1Ds(£6000), the the price is worth it.

Also the fact that it turns from a studio camera to a fast action camera is like owning a 1Ds and a 1D in the same camera.

[Longwatcher]

Lets see,
From the two reviews I read.
Price was $5000, which will be firmed up in about 30 days before the January 2005 release. At least Canon usually announces about 30 days before they ship. Did not see $3000 price, that would be low enough if Canon did not adjust to maybe pickup along with a couple of lenses, so I have both systems. Luckily I have faith in Canon.

Sounds like Nikon is announcing now, hoping they can sucker people in to buying before Canon releases the expected 1Ds upgrade.

I am am now starting to believe the 20-22MP , 8 FPS rumors for the 1DsM2.

In any case, the price for the 1Ds will be dropping a lot between now and January, I will probably be able to get a 1Ds for holidays.

[cmM]

No matter what Nikon comes up with, I doubt they will be able to beat Canon any time soon and come up with the same or better performance/price ratio as the 20D.

Price and performance?

the 20D is approx £1250 in the UK.
if the D2X is indeed £3500 and takes images larger than the current 1Ds(£6000), the the price is worth it.
There's more to a camera than MP.
I was reffering to the 20D for the ratio. When Nikon will come up with an 8mp DSLR with all that Canon has, then I will bow my head. Canon has no match in digital SLRs...still.

[timmyquest]

Someone want to tell me why this camera isnt being compared to the MarkII by DPreview...rather the Mark 1

[evilenglishman]

Lets see,
From the two reviews I read.
Price was $5000, which will be firmed up in about 30 days before the January 2005 release. At least Canon usually announces about 30 days before they ship. Did not see $3000 price, that would be low enough if Canon did not adjust to maybe pickup along with a couple of lenses, so I have both systems. Luckily I have faith in Canon.

where have you seen the price?
As for canon shipping 30 days after - most people still have a 1DMK2 on order and it was released in January this year.

[evilenglishman]

Someone want to tell me why this camera isnt being compared to the MarkII by DPreview...rather the Mark 1

I think you are looking at the wrong camera - you should be looking at the D2X, not the D2H

[timmyquest]

Lets see,
From the two reviews I read.
Price was $5000, which will be firmed up in about 30 days before the January 2005 release. At least Canon usually announces about 30 days before they ship. Did not see $3000 price, that would be low enough if Canon did not adjust to maybe pickup along with a couple of lenses, so I have both systems. Luckily I have faith in Canon.

where have you seen the price?
As for canon shipping 30 days after - most people still have a 1DMK2 on order and it was released in January this year.

Really?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home;jsessionid=BJnqM81Du2!-2138342476?ci=1&sb=ps&pn=1&sq=desc&InitialSearch=y es&O=SearchBar&A=search&Q=*&shs=1d+

They ought to go to B&H

[Jesper]

Note that the D2X has a *CMOS* sensor, just like the sensor in most of Canon's DSLRs - looks like Nikon is now also moving to CMOS instead of CCD sensors.

[evilenglishman]

They ought to go to B&H

most people on here probably don't live in the usa :roll:

http://www.parkcameras.com/canon/digitalcameras/eos1dmarkii.htm#prices

[Cadwell]

Really?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home;jsessionid=BJnqM81Du2!-2138342476?ci=1&sb=ps&pn=1&sq=desc&InitialSearch=y es&O=SearchBar&A=search&Q=*&shs=1d+

They ought to go to B&H

Some of us don't have that option, Timmy. Not if you live in the UK and want a camera with a manufacturers warranty.

[PeterTaylor]

Pete, how do you know that?

Well I am a Nikon user (F5’s for film work) as well as owning the odd Canon G5. I spoke to Nikon UK this morning to get some idea of price and delivery.

The prices is £3500 inc VAT and delivery is expected in January 2005. Need to order through your local dealer, so if I do it should be with me for the Autosports show in January 2005. (No chance as it will arrive the Monday after the show has finished)

[evilenglishman]

Thats great new then :D
I was thinking of getting a mk2 or a used 1Ds but this camera is far more appealing (it does multiple exposures too).

[roanjohn]

Also the fact that it turns from a studio camera to a fast action camera is like owning a 1Ds and a 1D in the same camera.

Great observation!!!

I think this is Nikon's aim for this release..........a camera that includes both the sports and studio photographers. I think its pretty attractive actually. Too bad it only goes as high as ISO 800.........so not so good for sports I guess (unless you get that 200 f2 VR) :-)

Ro1

[DaveG]

Also the fact that it turns from a studio camera to a fast action camera is like owning a 1Ds and a 1D in the same camera.

Great observation!!!

I think this is Nikon's aim for this release..........a camera that includes both the sports and studio photographers. I think its pretty attractive actually. Too bad it only goes as high as ISO 800.........so not so good for sports I guess (unless you get that 200 f2 VR) :-)

Ro1

It's more than that. It is totally unacceptable as a sports camera without at least ISO 1600. Especially when the Mark II has that, a bigger buffer and a track record that's much better than the Nikon's.

[evilenglishman]

It's more than that. It is totally unacceptable as a sports camera without at least ISO 1600. Especially when the Mark II has that, a bigger buffer and a track record that's much better than the Nikon's.

errr, how is this camera supposed to have a better track record than the Mk2 when its not even released? :roll:

the buffer of the Mk 2 doesn't seem that much bigger either:


Even with this tremendous resolution, the D2X can comfortably shoot full resolution images at 5 frames per second (up to 21 consecutive JPEGS and 15 NEFs). When the situation demands yet faster frame rates, the D2X has a unique 6.8 megapixel ‘High Speed Cropped Image’ mode that boosts the shooting rate to 8 frames per second, up to 35 consecutive JPEGs or 26 NEF images

[Cadwell]

It's more than that. It is totally unacceptable as a sports camera without at least ISO 1600.

How do you work that one out? I've never shot a motor race at more than ISO400... :?

[imagesense]

The price of the DX2 I heard was around $5800 US. Nikon also is releasing a new flagship film camera - F6. Amazing move on their part given the decline of film sales and film camera sales.

They must have some kind of strategy for what they are doing, but I can't figure them out. Why go high-end film at this time? Maybe there is a demand we don't know about. It is good news though for those who wanted an F5 but couldn't afford it. :D

[Big_B]

Also the fact that it turns from a studio camera to a fast action camera is like owning a 1Ds and a 1D in the same camera.

Great observation!!!

I think this is Nikon's aim for this release..........a camera that includes both the sports and studio photographers. I think its pretty attractive actually. Too bad it only goes as high as ISO 800.........so not so good for sports I guess (unless you get that 200 f2 VR) :-)

Ro1

It's more than that. It is totally unacceptable as a sports camera without at least ISO 1600. Especially when the Mark II has that, a bigger buffer and a track record that's much better than the Nikon's.

I dunno. I occasionally shoot 800 if the light is going and I have a rapidly moving subject, but I have hardly EVER used 1600.

[evilenglishman]

The price of the DX2 I heard was around $5800 US.

If that is the case and its UK price is £3500, then there is only £300 difference. This is even better news after all of the Canon UK/USA price comparing I have been doing recently. :shock:

[aam1234]

after all of the Canon UK/USA price comparing I have been doing recently.

I think it's better to drop your new name DIJ :wink:

[CyberDyneSystems]

THIS Camera has put Nikon in there with Canon for the first time in a while...

Yes Canon will trump it with a 22MP release... but I'm not sure I'm ready for 11 or 12 MP.. let alone 22!!! :shock: :shock: The MkII forced me to run out and buy two more hard drives almost immediately.. and quite frankly that was scratching the surface.. the file size is pushing the limits of my most ballsy PC in post processing. @ 22MP? What kind of workstation will need to work on a 16bit 22MP file? That's about 90 megabytes.

I LOVE this camera based on its feature list. Absolutely awesome! :shock:

Way to go Nikon.. and yes PLEASE price it at a mere $3,500.00.. create a price war with Canon PLEASE!

(Frankly this I doubt.. the D1X is still more costly than the D2H for some odd reason despite the D2H being a far more advaced camera...

I think Nikon wants to keep it's "X" as there flagship.. so I suspect a higher price... please prove me wrong though!)

[evilenglishman]

some nice bits:
seperate colours in the histogram!
http://www.robgalbraith.com/data/1/rec_imgs/464_nikon_d2x_multi-histogram.jpg

ISO in the viewfinder!
http://www.robgalbraith.com/data/1/rec_imgs/463_nikon_d2x_viewfinder_1.jpg

[CyberDyneSystems]

Also the fact that it turns from a studio camera to a fast action camera is like owning a 1Ds and a 1D in the same camera.

Great observation!!!

I think this is Nikon's aim for this release..........a camera that includes both the sports and studio photographers. I think its pretty attractive actually. Too bad it only goes as high as ISO 800.........so not so good for sports I guess (unless you get that 200 f2 VR) :-)

Ro1

Totally agree.. this is what absolutely blows my mind.. it's a 1D and a 1Ds in one camera! Fantastic!

This IS forward thinking.. this is breaking the mold.. this is almost as radical as a square or hexagonal sensor instaed of a stupid portrait grip...

It's two TWO TWO cameras in ONE :mrgreen:

[Big_B]

It's two TWO TWO cameras in ONE :mrgreen:

Six surely?

[karusel]

Also the fact that it turns from a studio camera to a fast action camera is like owning a 1Ds and a 1D in the same camera.

Great observation!!!

I think this is Nikon's aim for this release..........a camera that includes both the sports and studio photographers. I think its pretty attractive actually. Too bad it only goes as high as ISO 800.........so not so good for sports I guess (unless you get that 200 f2 VR) :-)

Ro1

It's more than that. It is totally unacceptable as a sports camera without at least ISO 1600. Especially when the Mark II has that, a bigger buffer and a track record that's much better than the Nikon's.

I reckon it will please the crowds. :D

However, we, the consumers always pay for the progress, and the progress in digital camera world seems to be flying. My 10D shrinks every day a bit more in awe of the fancy quite-cheap novelties. :cry:

[jgbeam]

It's a mighty fine featured camera and it will better the 1D/1Ds in many ways, no doubt. I think the Canon/Nikon competition has benefitted all of us. How much progress would there be in DSLR technology without these two companies leading the way?

BUT - the bodies are just a piece of the system - the piece that is replaceable/upgradeable. As many here have said, we are really investing in lenses, not camera bodies. I already have $3200 in lenses and I can easily see another $3000 within the next two years. These lenses will always hold good value while the bodies become out-dated. I'm still in awe of what my Rebel can do even though I have the MkII. I don't think I'll be tempted by a new Canon for at least five years. Er, make that three years. Two years? Oh, crap! What's this rumor about 22MP? When can I get my hands on..... :?

Jim

[Penguin_101_1]

I really like the looks of the Minolta!

[davidwegs]

Lets see,
From the two reviews I read.
Price was $5000, which will be firmed up in about 30 days before the January 2005 release. At least Canon usually announces about 30 days before they ship. Did not see $3000 price, that would be low enough if Canon did not adjust to maybe pickup along with a couple of lenses, so I have both systems. Luckily I have faith in Canon.

where have you seen the price?
As for canon shipping 30 days after - most people still have a 1DMK2 on order and it was released in January this year.

Well it hit the streets in April. I got one of the first out the door.

[timmyquest]

No one has attempted to explain to me why Dpreview is compairing it to the 1DMK1

:? :? :?

[evilenglishman]

i did. :D
dpreview aren't comparing it to anything, maybe you are looking at the wrong camera

[robertwgross]

When Nikon figures out how to get color right on a digital camera, I'll take abother look. For now I'll stick with Canon.
Scott

Do you mean just ordinary color balance? In which direction is Nikon wrong?

---Bob Gross---

[PeterTaylor]

It's more than that. It is totally unacceptable as a sports camera without at least ISO 1600. Especially when the Mark II has that, a bigger buffer and a track record that's much better than the Nikon's.

In my mind the D2X is not a sports camera the D2H is a sports camera. This is a camera used for static more refined work that needs detail i.e. weddings, social photography, architectural and landscape to list a small few.

I am just about to order my D2H and a D2X at the same time.
(sorry or the delay I have been away for a few days, Rally GB)

[DaveG]

It's more than that. It is totally unacceptable as a sports camera without at least ISO 1600. Especially when the Mark II has that, a bigger buffer and a track record that's much better than the Nikon's.

In my mind the D2X is not a sports camera the D2H is a sports camera. This is a camera used for static more refined work that needs detail i.e. weddings, social photography, architectural and landscape to list a small few.

I am just about to order my D2H and a D2X at the same time.
(sorry or the delay I have been away for a few days, Rally GB)

For the kind of money Nikon will want for this camera I don't think that ISO 1600 is too much to ask. A camera at that price point should be a sports camera, a portrait camera and everything in between; as is the Mark II.

I can see using 1600 or faster at weddings, especially in the church to get some sharp available light candid shots. I know that ISO 1600 isn't going to be nearly as good noise wise as ISO 100 or 400; but there are times when sharpness outweighs noise.

A huge mental change from film to digital shooting is to use the ISO as something that gets changed as regularly as the apertures or shutterspeed. With film I get locked in at the store when I purchase film. Now I can use a different ISO from shot to shot as circumstances dictate. I KNOW that the vast majority of my shots at a wedding will be done at the lowest ISO that I can get away with. But at least ISO 1600 or 3200 is there when I need it.

As for the D2H why would you want a 4MP camera? I think that the move that I'd make would be TWO Mark II's for the price of the D2H & D2X.

[PeterTaylor]

The main problem why I use Nikon as main 35 mm Kit is due to the fact that I need a totally manual camera i.e. no electronics what so ever, and because of that need keep my old faithful Nikon FM2. At present I am using that along with 2 Nikon F5’s a whole host of different lenses, all of which at present can be used on any camera body that I own. I have not yet made the jump to digital, but I am doing so with the D2X and D2H. The reason for having the 4MP camera body is as simple spots body for press work, this will be used in conjunction with at least one film based camera body. The other the D2X is to be used as my main body for my landscapes and some/most studio based work etc. I know it sounds strange but there is some method to my madness.

I would like to convert all my kit to Canon, and have thought long and hard about over the last few years, especially when I was doing a lot more motorsport than I am doing now, most of the people who were in the Agency I worked with were Canon based.
But the problem has been the need to have a totally manual camera, so I have kept with Nikon (Sad but true).

I fully understand what you are saying with regard to use of film speed and at times that you need to use the available light, so the picture may be a bit noisier. I still think in terms of film being ISO 100 (the likes Fuji Provia RDP and RDPII etc). Most if not all the sports stuff I do now is never used at anything bigger than A4 size so 4MP is ok to wired out quickly. I do agree that the ISO 100 – 800 is a bit limited but as I have said I have always shot sports on ISO 100 and used flash, but at times I know that this will be a problem.

Having said all that I do own a Canon PowerShot G5 and I am totally over the moon with it, I find it better than some of the Nikon I have used, which are in the same price range. So its not all bad.