20D is too fast

[OviV]

Anyone else having this problem? I am used to my 300D so I went at lunch time to get acquainted with the 20D. On a number of occasions I took double exposures because I did not release the shutter fast enough. There is definitely a learning curve for those of us going from a 300D. I am loving it though. I get to take some pictures with it tonight. Going to shoot a little league game.

Ovi

[Guillermo Freige]

I had that problem with the EOS 5, so to not to waste film I used to have the camera in Single Shot mode. So probably I'll have the same problem with the 20D. Anyway Single Shot is my preferred style of shooting.

[cmM]

congratulations, enjoy your new camera.

A lot of happy threads in the EOS section today. I like it :)

[CyberDyneSystems]

Ovi,

I'll trade my 10D for it.. at 3FPS the 10D is much more controllable :lol: :roll: :lol:

[roanjohn]

I wish I'm experiencing your problem right now........ :cry:

Ro1

[OviV]

See, I guess that is why you deserve to be a moderator. Such willingless to help is rarely found these days. Go ahead and mail the 10D, my 20D is in the mail. :)

[CyberDyneSystems]

:lol: :lol:

It is a bit "jumpy" at 5 FPS... the MkII at 8,5 is pefectly uncontrollable! I have set it's max burst down to... you guessed it.. 5fps! :)

[GenEOS]

Sounds like Canon is trying to get me to buy a back-up body to my Mark II. Anyone shot action sports with a 20D yet?

How's the focus? Quick? Acceptable? Better than the 10D?

Is the viewfinder any brighter than the 10D or is it the same?

[Ogrt48]

Sounds more like an user problem, not the cameras. ^_^ It's more like you're too slow to let go of the button ^_^

[Scottes]

I always figured that if I can handle a .308 with a 2-ounce trigger then I can handle a 20D.

Good thing digital film is cheaper than .308 rounds!

By the 100th shot, though, I was very rarely firing off 2. Another few hours and I should be OK.

[davkenrem]

I always figured that if I can handle a .308 with a 2-ounce trigger then I can handle a 20D.

Good thing digital film is cheaper than .308 rounds!

By the 100th shot, though, I was very rarely firing off 2. Another few hours and I should be OK.


I sold a nice Heavy Barrel .308 to by my 10D, and I concur digital is much cheaper. :D

[OviV]

I admit it. I do have fat fingers.

Well I went to a little league game to shoot some pictures with my wife. She used the Digital Rebel and I used the 20D. Lighting on the field was terrible and we had to resort to 1600 ISO and still shutter speeds were in the 1/50th range. I took the opportunity to do a side by side comparison of the noise level on the two cameras.

First Digital Rebel:
http://www.shareapicture.com/vsalbum/getpic.aspx?fld=\OviV\Misc&pic=300D.jpg&OV=0

And 20D:
http://www.shareapicture.com/vsalbum/getpic.aspx?fld=\OviV\Misc&pic=20D.jpg&OV=0

These are 100 percent crops of two pictures with similar shutter and apperture settings. I did absolutely nothing to these pictures other then crop.

Ovi

[leony]

Looks like the top image is under exposed by a lot (maybe 1-1.5 stops)compared to the bottom image. The noise in the shadows on both seem about the same.

There are many way to minimize the noise in photoshop.

Here's your "10D" file with 10 sec of photoshop post processing to minimize noise and with exposure correction. Enjoy :-)

http://www.a-leon.net/forum/10dnoise.jpghttp://www.shareapicture.com/vsalbum/getpic.aspx?fld=\OviV\Misc&pic=300D.jpg&OV=0

Please note that my image didn't loose much detail as compared to the original 10D image posted.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Wow,. the 20D shot looks fantastic :)

[CyberDyneSystems]

Sounds more like an user problem, not the cameras. ^_^ It's more like you're too slow to let go of the button ^_^

Slow.. maybe :wink: but quicker than your sense of humor :lol: :lol:

[OviV]

Looks like the top image is under exposed by a lot (maybe 1-1.5 stops)compared to the bottom image. The noise in the shadows on both seem about the same.


I am well aware that I can minimize noise in PS or Neatimage. I love my DRebel so I am not trying to knock it. I am just showing what (to me) seems like an obvious improvement in noise levels with the 20D. BTW, the 20D image is a 1/15 exposure and the 300D image is a 1/50 exposture. Here is a different 300D image:

http://www.shareapicture.com/vsalbum/getpic.aspx?fld=\OviV\Misc&pic=300D2.jpg&OV=0

[Scottes]

I don't think that the first two pictures are a good comparison. The 20D image just looks like it was getting a lot more light. A more controlled environment is necessary. Or expose 2 pictures as close as possible, ignoring shutter/aperture but putting all attention on the histogram.

[OviV]

Scottes,

I'll definitely do that when I get a chance. Looking at all the pictures, however, I am very pleased with the noise level on the 20D even at 1600ISO. I believe that I will be able to get 8x10s out of these that the parents will love. I am sure I'll get some also from the DRebel pictures. On another note, the 20D also seemed to more accurately expose the pictures. My wife and I were both usin AV mode and the 20D pictures seem more correctly exposed.

[Groundworxs]

still shutter speeds were in the 1/50th range

What lens were you using and what focal length was the picture shot at?

[Groundworxs]

still shutter speeds were in the 1/50th range

What lens were you using and what focal length was the picture shot at?

[OviV]

Lens on the 20D was Sigma 170-500 and on the 300D Canon 100-300. Most of the pictures were shot in the 300 to 500 range.

Ovi

[DocFrankenstein]

I always figured that if I can handle a .308 with a 2-ounce trigger then I can handle a 20D.
And it's 13 shots per sec, instead of 8 :roll:

[Groundworxs]

The blur in your picture is due to a focal length problem. Your min shutter speed should be no lower than your focal length. Meaning if you are shooting at 1/50 your lens would have to have been a 50mm in order to be sharp. If you're shooting at 300mm your min shutter speed should be no lower than 300. This will help with the blur As for the noise the 20D has some new features which allows the camera to lower noise. It looks like it works just fine as advertised.

have fun

[OviV]

Thanks Groundworxs, unfortunately, this was not possible.

Ovi

[CyberDyneSystems]

I always figured that if I can handle a .308 with a 2-ounce trigger then I can handle a 20D.
And it's 13 shots per sec, instead of 8 :roll:

Nah.. he'd have to be really fast.. :shock: :shock: it's bolt action.

[Scottes]

Nah.. he'd have to be really fast.. :shock: :shock: it's bolt action.

Which means that one shot better do it.
Luckily it always does.


I only shoot at targets. I always hit them.

[KBMphotography.com]

Hey - thank your lucky stars you don't have a 1D mk2.

I constantly forget to change BACK from High speed (Uzi!) mode - and up with 5 or 6 of the same landscape pic!!!

:)

[chris clements]

Groundworx: the reciprocal rule for camera shake (300mm needs 1/300sec) applies to the 35mm frame.
You're forgetting the digital sensor is smaller. The equivalent digital rule of thumb for a 300mm lens should be a 1/500sec exposure.

Better still, rob a bank and use IS lenses.