7d rumors (5d replacement) + more

[Mike Panic]

from what i understand, the 5d will be called a 7d

14ish mp
5fps

msrp at or less than current 5d - so figure it to be around $2199 the first week and then drop to $1999 after a month or so

it appears that this will be the direct competiton for the nikon d300

where i heard - i work in the photo industry.

expect the press flurry before pma... expect official announcment at pma

my 2 pennies - the price of a used 5d will drop to $1100-1300 the day this thing is officially announced. if you were gonna sell, do so now.

[Canon the Barbarian]

the price of 5d will never drop to the $1100 level. Even the 40d costs more than that.

[shannyD]

ohhh i think i like this camera more and more.. and its coming out at around the time ill be ready to make the purchase. woo hoo. :)

[Mike Panic]

the price of 5d will never drop to the $1100 level. Even the 40d costs more than that.

please reread the original post

the price of a used 5d

considering there is a user on here selling a 1ds mkII for $3800, less than half of new price.. makes me think that $1100-1300 for a USED very realistic - especially since right now used is $1600-1700. again my 2 pennies

[blueM]

makes me think that $1100-1300 for a USED very realistic - especially since right now used is $1600-1700

I think this is realistic. Price for used 20D is certainly less than 1/2 original price

I have seen several USED 5D at less than $1600 in the last several weeks (here & FM, not even talking about eBay)

[BrantG]

PMA can't come fast enough.

[kawter2]

here is your 7d

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0409/konicaminolta/km7d01.jpg

[VTSHEP1]

from what i understand, the 5d will be called a 7d

14ish mp
5fps

msrp at or less than current 5d - so figure it to be around $2199 the first week and then drop to $1999 after a month or so

it appears that this will be the direct competiton for the nikon d300

where i heard - i work in the photo industry.

expect the press flurry before pma... expect official announcment at pma

my 2 pennies - the price of a used 5d will drop to $1100-1300 the day this thing is officially announced. if you were gonna sell, do so now.

I hope you are right. Based on what you said could this be another line of SLR cameras for Canon, between the 5D and the XXD? It seems with Canon's naming convention a 7D would be a lesser model than a 5D. The price you suggested seems to jive with that also. Either way, i hope your right, and I hope its FF. I would buy as i suspect many others will.

[sumnrfam]

I hope you are right. Based on what you said could this be another line of SLR cameras for Canon, between the 5D and the XXD? It seems with Canon's naming convention a 7D would be a lesser model than a 5D. The price you suggested seems to jive with that also. Either way, i hope your right, and I hope its FF. I would buy as i suspect many others will.


Okay,, I'll bite,, my 2 cents,,, I think Canon will have a hard time moving a "5D" replacement at any price if it is not Full Frame:confused:. At that price point, (even the original 5D price point),, the full frame sensor was a huge part of the draw;)

[sapearl]

Well Mike, a lot of us work in the "photo industry" :D. I hear stuff every day too. Obviously you won't tell us the source, but how reliable is THIS latest rumor of wishful thinking that has now been started.

And what happened to the 6D? Seems a bit too fanciful - either you're having fun with us, or somebody is pulling your leg ;).

from what i understand, the 5d will be called a 7d

14ish mp
5fps

msrp at or less than current 5d - so figure it to be around $2199 the first week and then drop to $1999 after a month or so

it appears that this will be the direct competiton for the nikon d300

where i heard - i work in the photo industry.

expect the press flurry before pma... expect official announcment at pma

my 2 pennies - the price of a used 5d will drop to $1100-1300 the day this thing is officially announced. if you were gonna sell, do so now.

[Mike Panic]

stuart,

my understaning is that the 7d is full frame and the replacement of the 5d - why they are skipping numbers, why they are not doing a 5d mkII or 5D-n, or any other stupid naming convention, i'm not sure of.

clearly canon can't release a $3k dslr - its too much to compete in price w/ the d300, im pretty sure initial msrp will be 2299ish... w/ a 1999 coming 1-3 months after release

as for sources.. i work "in the industry" which includes people from ipi, dima and a bunch of other silly naming conventions :)

my personal thoughts to the replacement - i would think that whatever takes the place of the 5d would inherit the 1ds mkII sensor (16.7mp) - not a totally new 12, 13, 14 or 15mp sensor... but thats just me thinking out loud now

ive also heard that there is a replacemnt for the rebel, 450, xti-n, something like that - not a whole lot of hub-bub about what the details to it are though.

[sapearl]

Thanks for the additional input Mike, but I take all these rumors with less than a grain of salt. So many "industry experts" like to impress anybody who will listen with the "inside scoop" and their special knowledge. Pardon my cynicsim Mike, but without credentialled sources I can only wonder how much they'd had to drink at the time :lol:. You logic regarding the MkII sensor makes far more sense than the hearsay pipedreams.

[Mike Panic]

looks like my predictions on the name 7d may be correct after all.. who woulda thunk ;)

http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/canons-eos-7d-gets-its-very-own-upc/

[sapearl]

Or maybe it's an update of the Canon 7 rangefinder?:D Or perhaps somebody has been budy in PS trying to freak out the Nikon execs. Very interesting. Did he show anything for a 6D?

[NickSimcheck]

looks like my predictions on the name 7d may be correct after all.. who woulda thunk ;)

http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/02/canons-eos-7d-gets-its-very-own-upc/


Ah-hem...


http://www.pbase.com/dlcmh/canon_eos_7d

[sapearl]

ah-HA! The plot thickens :D... thanks for the additional illumination Nick.

Ah-hem...


http://www.pbase.com/dlcmh/canon_eos_7d

[thatkatmat]

my personal thoughts to the replacement - i would think that whatever takes the place of the 5d would inherit the 1ds mkII sensor (16.7mp) - not a totally new 12, 13, 14 or 15mp sensor... but thats just me thinking out loud now
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heard the same thing, but we'll just wait and see

[ben_r_]

clearly canon can't release a $3k dslr - its too much to compete in price w/ the d300, im pretty sure initial msrp will be 2299ish... w/ a 1999 coming 1-3 months after release

Oh I really think they can as the D300 and 5D cant really be compared since the only real big selling point and advantage that the 5D offers is the fact that its full frame and the D300 will never match that as its a crop sensor. So a $3000 5D Mark II sounds to me like a very strong possibility.

Yea I also highly doubt the 5D will drop to 1100-1300. I think it will just be phased out.

[Mike Panic]

Oh I really think they can as the D300 and 5D cant really be compared since the only real big selling point and advantage that the 5D offers is the fact that its full frame and the D300 will never match that as its a crop sensor. So a $3000 5D Mark II sounds to me like a very strong possibility.

Yea I also highly doubt the 5D will drop to 1100-1300. I think it will just be phased out.

The d300 & 5d are different camera's, i agree.. but they are in about the same price bracket, so they will be compared...

And the 1100-1300 drop - please read what I actually typed, that is my guess for the USED 2nd hand market price will be.

[jsimon724]

I can't imagine that they'd put the Mark II sensor in the 5d replacement. As good as it is, it's still "old" technology - a new sensor would take advantage of newer technology, which could produce 16 megapixels with lower noise, 14-bit, etc.

Jim

[DSMITH131]

Just imagine canon probably has a rep come in here and read this form I bet they are rolling in the floor

[sapearl]

Sure - and my station wagon was priced within a couple of dollars of my wife's Grand Prix. But I don't think people compared them because they were........different?:lol::lol: I think people considering this type of gear tend to have a bit more common sense.

The d300 & 5d are different camera's, i agree.. but they are in about the same price bracket, so they will be compared... .......

[freddyco]

The 5D sensor alone costs more than $1,100 to manufacture. Your friends in the photo industry are confused.

[sapearl]

Either that or they were sharing specs during "Happy Hour."

The 5D sensor alone costs more than $1,100 to manufacture. Your friends in the photo industry are confused.

[jbuk1975]

The 5D sensor alone costs more than $1,100 to manufacture. Your friends in the photo industry are confused.


it does say the price of a used 5D, maybe you have misread

[neil85]

The 5D sensor alone costs more than $1,100 to manufacture. Your friends in the photo industry are confused.


its been stated a couple times now ...

the $1100-1300 IS FOR A USED 5D ONCE THE REPLACEMENT HITS THE MARKET

:D thanks for reading :D

[aximrocks]

The 5D sensor alone costs more than $1,100 to manufacture. Your friends in the photo industry are confused.

This sounds like a high estimate to me. Cypress sells an APS sized sensor for $90. The yield on full-frame sensors are lower. The cost of the 5D sensor is probably around $300.

[efroten]

its been stated a couple times now ...

the $1100-1300 IS FOR A USED 5D ONCE THE REPLACEMENT HITS THE MARKET

:D thanks for reading :D

LOL

[glawhon]

If this rumor turns out to be true, it seems to lend credence to the earlier rumors that the 5D would be replaced by two models - one a lesser one (the 7D mentioned here) and the other something more like a "5D MkII" with a 16-17MP sensor and close to the price of the original 5D....

[RianFlynn]

the price of 5d will never drop to the $1100 level. Even the 40d costs more than that.

the 10d originally priced at around $3000 now they are $300

Someday you will buy a 5d for $200 at a garage sale :)

[Tom W]

the 10d originally priced at around $3000 now they are $300

Someday you will buy a 5d for $200 at a garage sale :)

Actually, I believe that the 10D hit the market at $1499. I bought one relatively early in it's life cycle.


You're right though - a used 5D will probably hit $200 several years down the road. Such is the fate of electronics. The odd thing is that it will still likely produce wonderful images when placed in the right hands. :)

[Mike Panic]

the 10d originally priced at around $3000 now they are $300

Someday you will buy a 5d for $200 at a garage sale :)

incorrect - the 10d was msrp $1500 - the d30 was $3k only about a year and a half earlier

[Mike Panic]

The 5D sensor alone costs more than $1,100 to manufacture. Your friends in the photo industry are confused.

manufacture cost and actual shelf cost are 2 different things. I have a lexar 80x 1gb card i bought 3 years ago for $100 - that was my cost in the photo industry - msrp was $149 and most retail stores were selling for $119-129.

the initial mark-up on new technology is huge - this helps to cover the cost of r&d - once some or all of that money has been recouped and there is competition, prices drop. hence why you can buy 4GB cards for under $50 now

likewise - once an item that HAS been manufactured and is sitting on a shelf, it starts to loose value. I learned this lesson 12+ years ago when i was a teenager working for a car dealership. part of the reason car dealerships offer insane pricing at the end of every month and at the end of the year is because they pay stupid insurance fees to have those cars sit on the lots. camera shops are the same way - their insurance policy fluctuates based in part to their inventory. additionally, the "cost of ownership" starts to increase the longer they have cameras on the shelfs. its sort of like buying stocks. example.

day 1 camera XYZ comes out for an msrp of $1000, cost on said camera is $900 (trust me when i say the markup on cameras is not what you think it is) and because it is a shiny new camera, ACME camera shop puts it on the floor for $1000. They bought 10 cameras. During the first 45 days they sell 4 cameras and profit $400 minus the insurance, labor (we'll say its a retail store who pays staff w/ no commissions) and overhead (electric, alarm, water, taxes, credit card machine fees, etc.). On day 45, JOES camera shop finally gets their shipment in and sells them the same camera for $990. To compete, ACME drops their price to $985, thus cutting 15% of their profit margins on the remaining 6 camera's. This means the cost of ownership of these remaining 6 cameras has increased $90 total. The wholesale price rarely drops within the first 8-10 months of a product being available, making it harder to bring the average wholesale price paid down anymore to equal out what the profit margin is.

$90 doesn't sound like a whole lot, but in this example, ACME was hoping to make a total of $1,000 gross profit with the 10 cameras, by dropping the price 15% on only six cameras, they now stand to make 9% less, that is the cost of ownership for extended periods of time.

[sapearl]

I would tend to agree. The image it produces is pretty much a match to a lot of MF film gear on the market. That will not change. It will be a number of years yet before the 5D becomes obsolete. Newer models do NOT immediately render their predecssors obsolete.

....You're right though - a used 5D will probably hit $200 several years down the road. Such is the fate of electronics. The odd thing is that it will still likely produce wonderful images when placed in the right hands. :)

[Mike Panic]

:mad:Just imagine canon probably has a rep come in here and read this form I bet they are rolling in the floor

my experience with rep's is that they know a product, how to use it and how to make the sale. rep's are just that, salespeople - they sell wholesale to the retail chain. they very often know very little of what is about to come, when it will come and how much it will be.

[freddyco]

its been stated a couple times now ...

the $1100-1300 IS FOR A USED 5D ONCE THE REPLACEMENT HITS THE MARKET

:D thanks for reading :D

In 2014, with a broken shutter?

Thanks for thinking.:lol:

[chauncey]

freddy, are you overcompensating for something?

[RianFlynn]

You know I was just thinking, if the 5d replacement is priced at around $2500 - $3000 the 5d may hold its value because to camera would seem like more of a new class rather than a replacement.

The 30d dropped in price because the 40d was price around (within 18%) what the 30d was selling for new and not much more than what it was selling for used. Why pay $1100 for the 30d when you can get the 40d for $199 more? (now $50 more)

Now the 5d sells for around $1999 new and $1500 used. It is an unbelievable camera for that price. If the 7d is $2800 I will more inclined to buy the used $1500 5d. $1300 more is a lot to spend for 2MP, more fps, live view and auto sensor cleaning.

Cheers!
Rian

[jbuk1975]

In 2014, with a broken shutter?

Thanks for thinking.:lol:


?? your post makes no sense

the prices of a USED 5D are dropping all the time , once the upgrade is available they will drop more and more and more, i think by next year they will be down to near $1300 / £650

[sboerup]

One just sold on FM for about $1400. Price was $1550, including 4 2GB Ultra cards, and aso a 50 1.8. I missed it by 2 minutes.

If the 5Dmk2 comes in around $3k, which is a STEAL for this camera in any regards, I think the 5D will stabilize where it's at, $1500-$1600.

[Yohan Pamudji]

General rule of thumb: when camera A is replaced in the current lineup by camera B, used prices for camera A will be roughly 50% of new prices for camera B. Cases in point:

1DIII (new): $4500
1DIIN (used): $2200-$2600

1DsIII (new): $8000
1DsII (used): $3800-$4200

40D (new): $1200
30D (used): $600-$700

So if the 5D replacement comes in at $2500, expect the 5D used prices to drop to roughly half that. That is, unless Canon completely reposition the 5D replacement and price it at $4000 or some craziness.

[RianFlynn]

So yes the 5d will hold its ground at around $1500 for about 6 months to a year.

:)
Rian

[freddyco]

freddy, are you overcompensating for something?

Usually under exposure, but sometimes blown highlights. :lol:

[ben_r_]

here is your 7d

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0409/konicaminolta/km7d01.jpg
Now THATS funny! lol

[chauncey]

Just for giggles, I tried to put down a deposit on the "new canon 5D" at B&H. They wouldn't take my money.

[flawlessly]

here is your 7d

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0409/konicaminolta/km7d01.jpg
:mrgreen:

[chuckandbob]

here is your 7d



Eric J -
what your using to drive your gallery?

Great shots!

[kawter2]

Eric J -
what your using to drive your gallery?

Great shots!

bludomain.com thx

[Ryan McDede]

i doubt it will be the 7d. it will most likely be the 5d mark II. the only time they change it if they change the body. its def coming soon. i work at bestbuy and are warehouse is telling us its scheduled to get discontinued the end of the month. and they want us to get rid of our stock.

[sapearl]

Interesting comments Ryan - don't know if you've seen this thread but it has some interesting speculation:

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?p=4699322#post4699322

So, it sounds like there will be some terrific 5D sales then :D?

i doubt it will be the 7d. it will most likely be the 5d mark II. the only time they change it if they change the body. its def coming soon. i work at bestbuy and are warehouse is telling us its scheduled to get discontinued the end of the month. and they want us to get rid of our stock.