thinking about getting a 35mm

[c0ntr0lz]

I'm looking at all the EOS 35mm's and there is alot of choices. I'm not sure if i want to go with a new camera or an old one, like i just got my dad. the only trouble with the older camers is that they aren't autofocus, which i have trouble getting things in focus.

I like all the options on the EOS Elan 7NEor the EOS Elan 7E, and the new EOS Rebel Ti. Should I get into a 35mm, because I really like shooting with the olympus 0m-1 and the results i got.

If i get one of the EOS 35mm, will I be able to use any ef mount lens on it?

[DocFrankenstein]

You should be... except for the efs of course

[DocFrankenstein]

I myself thinking about getting the film camera too. It should be nice to be able to use the wide angle, especially if I get the 17-40 :shock:

[c0ntr0lz]

yeah i wonder if canon will release a 35mm with the efs mount.

i found a cool site http://www.photographyreview.com for camera reviews.
I read a bit of the reviews of the Elan 7e and the EOS 2000 and they sound like really nice cameras. they guys in the review had only good things to say about both, now i guess i just have to see what i want.

[Olegis]

I like all the options on the EOS Elan 7NEor the EOS Elan 7E, and the new EOS Rebel Ti. Should I get into a 35mm, because I really like shooting with the olympus 0m-1 and the results i got.

If you like it (and probably can affort it) - why not ? I'm thinking about this myself - getting used 35mm EOS camera for occasional color and mostly B&W photographs. High sensitivity B&W films sometimes produce very nice effects ! :)

[Alexandre Gabriel]

I have an EOS 30 (I think it's an Elan 7 in USA).
What can I say? It's an amazing camera! 4 fps, black, eye control (it's an important feature sometimes IMHO)...
And it's full frame :lol: :roll:
I think you would love this camera. Try it! Maybe a better choice for landscapes because you WILL use your WA lenses...
Just my 2mm :wink:

[c0ntr0lz]

Olegis
see that's what i'd use it for too. The black and whites that I took with the om-1 were awesome. I took 24 exp and 14 of them are just outstaning. I'll have to scan them in and post them.

Gabriel
that's what i hear, i'm not sure if i've read a bad word about it yet. Yes it would be nice to take full advantage of a WA. altho i'd hate it cause i couldn't use the 18-55mm kit lens from the 300d.

[johneo]

I asked this question a few months ago and went with the Elan 7NE ... great camera! I don't think I really needed the eye control but it's pretty nice to use once in a while.

The 7NE feels just like the 10D and takes all the same lenses (same as your 300D except the EF-S lenses) I've found myself on a few occasions taking the 7NE out of the bag instead of the 10D. No review after you snap the shot though :cry: ... Never realized how much I got used to checking that screen until it's not there.

I've shot maybe 25 rolls with it and am sticking with slide film now. In fact tried some Kodak E100g Pro extra fine grain slide film and what great results. that's what I think I'll use most when I can find it. Also looking forward to using some Kodak Elite extra color slide film for the fall foliage in a few weeks. Haven't tried B&W film yet and I keep saying I'm going to.

Oh yeah ... as someone else mentioned ... it's full frame so my 17-40 L really is a wide angle lens. That alone was worth it for me.

[Olegis]

The problem with film is just that - to transfer the pictures to a digital domain. Where I live, high-quality negative scans are pretty expensive, while lower-quality scans are not acceptable :(

[Jesper]

I also have an EOS 30 (Elan 7E in USA terms). I've almost not used it at all since I got my 10D. Tried my 17-40 on it once, and 17mm is really wide! I have a Minolta Scan Dual III film scanner for scanning film. It's nice, but not the greatest film scanner available. A really good film scanner such as the Minolta Dimage Elite 5400 costs as much as a Digital Rebel.

johneo above says it feels like a 10D - I don't think so, it's a lot smaller and lighter than the 10D. The functionality is comparable.

If you want to scan your film to do everything digital, don't underestimate the amount of time and work it is: you need to get the film developed and scanning every frame at high resolution is going to take time. You'll need to clone out dirt and dust spots that the scanner saw on the film, etc. A digital camera is so much more convenient...

[c0ntr0lz]

the more i hear about the more i want it, so i might just get it. I wish I could hear from a few people that used cameras back in the day when they were tanks. I really like the feel or weight of the om-1, it's got a great balance to it and i'm afraid if i got to today's camears i'll lose that.

[neil_r]

c0ntr0lz

I just sold a Canon EOS 1N + Power Drive Booster for about £300 (thats about $530 US)on eBay. I really recomend that you look for one of these or an EOS 3 as they are truly "tanks" and produce fabulous pictures.

N

[c0ntr0lz]

kool
i'll see what i can find
thanks

[blinking8s]

i have the elan 7n...freakin amazing camera

[c0ntr0lz]

ok so i'm looking for cameras on ebay and nearly every camera list on ebay as an EOS camera is in GB!!! what's up with this? I'd like to find something local you know, i don't have and issue with the area but man i'd have to wait and then there's an issue with the travel.

will continue to look.

[c0ntr0lz]

so i was digging some more on ebay and started looking for other cameras and i looked up the om-1 again, and man there are tons of listings now.

i did find this one and the seller is like about 30 minutes from here.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15239&item=3840610 186&rd=1

doesn't look to be a bad buy



anyone have a AE-1? on ebay there are tons of them and at a good price.

[RikWriter]

I've thought many times about getting a Canon film camera, but I always come back to the question: WHEN exactly would I use it? I can't seem to answer that question.

[DocFrankenstein]

I've thought many times about getting a Canon film camera, but I always come back to the question: WHEN exactly would I use it? I can't seem to answer that question.
1) BW photography
2) Wide angle shots

I'd put a mid range zoom on the rebel and a super wide on the film camera when I do tourism trips.

[psk4363]

I'm with Doc and Neil on this one: -

a) look for a second-hand EOS 1/1n - they are relatively cheap but will last for ever,

b) why a film camera - true wide-angle, monochrome film, infra-red film, slide film

That's why I got my EOS 1nHS from E-Bay.

Barry

[velvetjones]

I myself thinking about getting the film camera too. It should be nice to be able to use the wide angle, especially if I get the 17-40 :shock:

Yo! I use the 17-40mm on my Elan 7. It is so sweet! :D

[johneo]

b) why a film camera - true wide-angle, monochrome film, infra-red film, slide film


I agree with the "true" wide angle comment. That's why I usually leave the 17-40 L on my 7NE (funny, I bought the 17-40 because I really wanted a WA for my 10D. After getting it I kind of made up my mind it would have to do because it isn't much of a WA ... but, still a great lens!)
Haven't tried monochrome or infra-red but been trying a variety of film and slide film. So far have decided that slide film is much better.

I've been really happy with the extra fine grain slide film and if they print any where near the way they look from a slide projector I can't wait to see them.

One other reason I decided to get a film camera and especially a Canon was that I spent an awful lot of money on the few lenses I have. A $300 film camera was pretty cheap in comparison. I still have all my Minolta X-700 gear (though only a few of the lenses are very good) but it made no sense carrying 2 sets of lenses with the 2 cameras. The 7NE fits nicely in my one camera bag.

[swamprot]

Film? I don't know, I still have my old Canon F1 and it's still a bullet proof workhorse and I did great stuff with it back when. Manual all the way and it's simply amazing how easy it is to use. Love it still and I will keep it till I die. But digital took over my life and I am clueless, never will figure them out.

Todays instant lifestyle, can't go back to doing a couple of rolls and waiting for the result no more.. Shooting a hundred or two shots in a photo session is great. Poping them in the computer to check them out at any point is awesome to say the least. F1 rests peacefully in my safe..

Now if they came out with a digital back? Oh well not likely.

[velvetjones]

[quote=psk4363]

b) why a film camera - true wide-angle, monochrome film, infra-red film, slide film

I agree with the "true" wide angle comment. That's why I usually leave the 17-40 L on my 7NE (funny, I bought the 17-40 because I really wanted a WA for my 10D. After getting it I kind of made up my mind it would have to do because it isn't much of a WA ... but, still a great lens!)
Haven't tried monochrome or infra-red but been trying a variety of film and slide film. So far have decided that slide film is much better.

I've been really happy with the extra fine grain slide film and if they print any where near the way they look from a slide projector I can't wait to see them.


You should really try Fuji Velvia...if you haven't already. It is really, really good. Amazing colors and ultra fine grain. I prefer it to any of the Kodak slide films. Fuji Astia is good too.

[c0ntr0lz]

yall are making me want one even more.
i think i'd enjoy using a 35mm every once in a while. If I find a really nice shot, I can set it up on a digital camera and see how i want to shoot it and take a few shots with the digital to see what i want and then shot it with the 35mm to have a nice hard copy.

[Jon]

Didn't see an explicit answer to your question about whether Canon would ever release a film body taking an EF-S lens. Answer: not in 35 mm. The EF-S lenses won't cover a full 35 mm. (24x36 mm) frame. They'll only cover the 1:1.6 sensor of the DR and 20D (actually, the D30, D60 and 10D as well, but the mount's not compatible).

Remember, if you buy anything other than an EOS 35mm, you're going to have to haul around an overlapping bundle of lenses for it. If you have a hankering to shoot film every so often, pick up a cheap EOS body (new or used, you won't use it that much). They (virtually) all have auto-focus, which you expressed concern about. If you think you'll use d digital to set up the exposure and composition, then duplicate it with film to get a hard copy, remember you're going to run into the problem of the 1.6x in matching angle of view. And you can always go to a kiosk and print the digital, or PhotoStitch two or more digital images to cover the film wide equivalent.

I finally broke down and switched from Canon FD (F-1, New F-1, T-90 and host of lenses) to EOS D60 when I realized in the previous 2+ years, I hadn't shot more than a couple rolls of film - everything was digital on the Kodak DC260 or DC290. I picked up an Elan 7e along with the D60 so I'd have a film backup if needed, but I haven't used it. The bother of film just wasn't worth it.

[Hatem Eldoronki]

The bother of film just wasn't worth it.

Ditto ditto ditto!!!

[Perfect_10]

.... anyone have a AE-1? on ebay there are tons of them and at a good price.

Yup .. never use it these days .. keeping it for sentimental reasons .. why would you want one ?? you'd need a bunch of FD lenses to make it worthwhile. You'd be better off sticking with an EOS body .. almost any will do.
Check out http://www.eos-magazine.com/System_EOSmodels.html

I kept my EOS 3000 (updated EOS 500) complete with 22-55 USM lens .. nice very lightweight combo. Plus using the 17-40L on 35mm is a very nice WA lens.

Others state you may never use film .. that may be the case .. but it's always handy to keep/carry one as a back up .. especially if it shares the same lenses as your main camera. I still use mine.

[Jon]

I haven't decided whether to keep the F-1n, the New F-1, or the T90 for the odd glass (15 mm fisheye, Vivitar 90-180 Series 1 Macro) I haven't got equivalents for yet, so until then, I've got umpty-ump FD lenses and bodies sitting in the closet. I'd only be pulling those out if I knew I was going to need their peculiar capabilities. Or for a low-battery-consumption long exposure, I guess. No, stick with EOS - at least you can justify the unused body by claiming it's a back-up. The OM-1 wasn't a bad little (and I do mean little - former in'laws tried to sell us on it instead of a Canon FTb - but after several months of trying to use it, I found it just too small for my hands - couldn't set shutter speed or aperture without messing up focus, and vice versa)

[Perfect_10]

The other thing to think about is familiarity. Pick a camera that feels similar to your DSLR .. controls in same position (as much as possible) .. doing the same function. Makes it easier to use.

[c0ntr0lz]

thanks for all the great input guys. I went over to wolf again and got 2 more rolls of B&W and a roll of fuji x-tra superia. well i have 3 rolls there and are waiting for them to be done. I really liked walking around with the om-1 but i found it hard to get a few shots cause of the limited settings. It only goes up to 1000 shutter speed and to f/16. a few times i had to back out of a pic cause i couldn't get the shot cause it would have been a bit bright. altho the old bodies are nice, i think i'd run into some trouble with getting the right settings. I'm not sure and some of yall maybe able to tell me, but do all the old lenses only come up to 1000 and f16?

thanks again guys, i see my main reason of getting one now is for B&W, WA and i feel i setup pix better. will show yall soon.

[Jon]

1/1000 is inherent in the OM-1 body. An F1 will give you 1/2000 sec. I think an OM-2 will also, but it's been a while. With a camera of that age, the shutter may be out of adjustment too. Other pre-AF bodies will give you up to 1/4000. f/16 is not uncommon in a normal lens of that vintage. Most of the longer and some of the wider lenses will go to f/22 or more. You can always (if shooting B&W) use polarizer, yellow or red filters to cut the light level (and darken the sky at the same time).

[CoolToolGuy]

thanks for all the great input guys. I went over to wolf again and got 2 more rolls of B&W and a roll of fuji x-tra superia. well i have 3 rolls there and are waiting for them to be done. I really liked walking around with the om-1 but i found it hard to get a few shots cause of the limited settings. It only goes up to 1000 shutter speed and to f/16. a few times i had to back out of a pic cause i couldn't get the shot cause it would have been a bit bright. altho the old bodies are nice, i think i'd run into some trouble with getting the right settings. I'm not sure and some of yall maybe able to tell me, but do all the old lenses only come up to 1000 and f16?

thanks again guys, i see my main reason of getting one now is for B&W, WA and i feel i setup pix better. will show yall soon.

C0ntr0lz,

I have a load of Canon manual focus (FD) gear that I would love to sell.

F1 w/50mm f1.4
A1 w/50mm f1.4 with power winder.
35-105 zoom (usually mentioned as one of Canon's best FD lenses)
100-300 zoom
24mm f2.8
135mm f2.5
UV filters, polarizers, other goodies...

PM me if you are interested - all or part.

As mentioned above, the sound and feel of an F1 is very solid. It goes to 1/2000.

The lenses vary, most go to f22, some may stop at f16.

Have Fun,