Must I Listen? (lol)

[Tumeg]

To start off, here is a bit of background info: I currently intern with my photography teacher, I am 14 years old, and have done 2 shoots with her so far.
For both of these shoots I have done (1 wedding, and 1 senior shoot) she has told me that the only way I can post my photos on the internet, is if I put her watermark on them (and under it, in small text it says "Image by Brad" it doesn't even say my last name! Or website!). For the wedding she told me this before hand, and she gave me a good reason. But for the senior shoot, this was an un-paid, just for fun, 4 hour 'trip'. They were serious pictures, but she did them for free because the senior will be interning with her soon.
Anyway, I got some amazing pictures(by my standards), but it turns out she wont let me post them unless I have her watermark on them! She never told me this until AFTER the shoot.
So I am just wondering if I really should listen to her and put her watermark on them. I never signed anything saying the photos are hers, or I must do this.
Part of me says to do what she asks because I don't want to blow the chance of being able to intern with her, and gain experience\a portfolio, but the other part of me does not want to do it, because they are my pictures, and I never signed anything saying I will do this. (I am not complaining about doing this with the wedding photos, just the senior photos)

Anyway, what would you do??
Also, she told me she would e-mail me the watermark to put on the pictures, and she never did, so I still am not able to post photos on the internet :mad:

[Alexajlex]

Nothing signed = you own the pictures.
Talk to her and in a nice way come to an accord.

Don't sell yourself short. She needs to be fair and treat you right. Only you can decide if the way things are going is fair.

You are 14 which means you have a much higher chance of talking wiht and connecting with young people. I'd start talking to your friends and your circle of influence and take portraits of them to build your portfolio.

[Tumeg]

The reason why part of me says to listen, is because they mostly kinda are hers,
I took the picture but she posed them, told them what to wear, and all that. I just got the angles\composition,

I may try talking to her, thanks...

[cory1848]

I would bring it up in casual conversation...If you are interning, you could easily burn a bridge by not doing what she wishes even if the shots are technically "yours". You have to decide whats more important. Personally, I never burn bridges....

[Box Brownie]

I may be speaking out of turn but just a few thoughts I perceive it.

I surmise there are "terms" associated with your Internship, as such are the terms explicit in respect of the 'rights' of use asscociated with the images? Oh as I understand it in all (most?) jurisdictions though you are the copyright 'owner' of images you have taken if you are taking pictures as part of an employment contract I believe the employer has an element of control as the usage of the images. Also at 14 what 'rights' do you have to sign a legally binding agreement as I think in the UK anyone under 18 needs a parent or guardians signature for such documents.

I see from your website that you have been published so only you can judge whether the terms of the Internship will help or hinder you in building your own portfolio/body of work.

All the best and enjoy yourself.

:)

[Tumeg]

I may be speaking out of turn but just a few thoughts I perceive it.

I surmise there are "terms" associated with your Internship, as such are the terms explicit in respect of the 'rights' of use asscociated with the images? Oh as I understand it in all (most?) jurisdictions though you are the copyright 'owner' of images you have taken if you are taking pictures as part of an employment contract I believe the employer has an element of control as the usage of the images. Also at 14 what 'rights' do you have to sign a legally binding agreement as I think in the UK anyone under 18 needs a parent or guardians signature for such documents.

I see from your website that you have been published so only you can judge whether the terms of the Internship will help or hinder you in building your own portfolio/body of work.

All the best and enjoy yourself.

:)
If these are the terms on the internship, then I should have been told about these details BEFORE she asked me to intern with her. Not AFTER each shoot.
Me, nor my parents have sign any contract (is that better? lol)

I guess they still may help me, but I am not really sure. They can show that I have the experience of shooting events as an intern, but to someone not paying much attention, may think I am pirating someone else's photos (due to the watermark).
My teacher did say that I can print the photos and use them in an actual portfolio, and for that I don't need to put her watermark on them, and for e-mailing them to people who ask to see some of my work I don't need it either. Only time I need it is when uploading to flickr, facebook, forums, ect.

[Chrisedge]

Put the watermark on those pictures but mention to her that you want more credit and less watermark going forward....

[PhotosGuy]

I think she's being unfair, & in your place would negotiate a watermark that says something like "Photographed by Tumeg for "Whatshername", & see how that flies?
Then I might learn all I could & keep my eyes open for another interenship.

And, no matter what watermark you put on them, you still own the copyright to them. "Work for Hire" rules do not apply, & you're too young to come under them anyway.