Canon 1Ds Mark II announced + Wifi transmitter for 1D series

[Pekka]

1Ds Mark II: http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-6459-7231

Wifi: http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-6459-7231-7233#wft-e1

[PJ]

wanna lend me $8000 :D

[CoolToolGuy]

Ooh, baby, baby - the wireless transmitter works on the 20D as well :!:

Gotta scrape up some cash... :?

Have Fun,

[BearSummer]

Didn't Nikon just anounce a new camera, snigger snigger, 12.2 Mp with a 1.5* crop....

Looks like canon does it again,

Repeat "I do not need or want a 1Ds Mk2, I do no t need or want..... who the hell am I kidding

Well it sure does make for an interesting read

BearSummer

[drisley]

I guess we can no longer refer to the 1D MKII anymore as just the "MKII"!

[roanjohn]

OMG!! Canon is just KILLING the competition!!!

Ro1

[sGu]

here is link to dpreview: http://www.dpreview.com/news/0409/04092104canoneos1dsmkii.asp and http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canoneos1dsmkii/

[evilenglishman]

OMG!! Canon is just KILLING the competition!!!

Ro1

Actually with the price they have mentioned I don't think so - it will most likely have a UK street price of £5000.
If the Nikon 2DX is only £3500, then i will be dumping all my Canon gear.

[Hannah]

So is the 8K an inflated retail price or is that what it's going to run?

[cmM]

MY God.... what next ?

[Cadwell]

A wise man would buy shares in compact flash card manufacturers around about now....

[roanjohn]

MY God.... what next ?

An 8 mpx, 1.3 x crop factor, 8 fps w/ 45 af point in a 20D body.........

EOS 2D.

:-)

I have my sources............

Ro1

[Belmondo]

To me, the really big news in all this is the wi-fi capability.

Hmmmmm (imagining the possibilities) :roll: :)

Argghhhhhh (imagining the price) :cry: :cry:

[CyberDyneSystems]

I like the wi-fi doohicky too :) It uses BP-511s :)

[evilenglishman]

my god! here was me thinking canon would rip us in the uk off with a street price of £5000 when dpreview actually says £6000.

someone should tell canon that $8,000 = £4,457 - not £6,000

[Pekka]

my god! here was me thinking canon would rip us in the uk off with a street price of £5000 when dpreview actually says £6000.

someone should tell canon that $8,000 = £4,457 - not £6,000

Why Mark II is in Finland 5000€ and in Germany 4400€ (we are both in EU and the gear is coming to both from Japan via Canon Europe)? In US it is $4500 which is 3700€ and they also get it from Japan.

:cry: :?

[evilenglishman]

maybe Canon should start jacking up US prices then - its not acceptable any way you look at it

[neil_r]

I am a wee bit thick so can one of you tell me exactly what the wifi will do for me and how it will change my life.

Many thanks

N

[evilenglishman]

it means you can transfer files without a cable - not exactly new technology

[blinking8s]

wifi looks neat...but i see it being a pain in the ass too

[Belmondo]

maybe Canon should start jacking up US prices then - its not acceptable any way you look at it

Bad idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :evil: :wink:

[cmM]

why the huge difference in price?

Is it because the US market is larger and smaller profit margins are more acceptable than in European countries?

[evilenglishman]

The population of the US is around 287,524,305
The population of Europe is around 800,000,000

can't see how its a larger market

[Belmondo]

Before we start piling on, it's important to look at our respective governments, their international trade policies, tarriffs, etc.

Don't forget, we have an active grey market here in the US. Many of the items that are sold that way come from Asia and (gasp!) Europe. Why? Because U.S. dealers can buy them cheaper there.

[Jesper]

OMG!! Canon is just KILLING the competition!!!

Ro1

Actually with the price they have mentioned I don't think so - it will most likely have a UK street price of £5000.
If the Nikon 2DX is only £3500, then i will be dumping all my Canon gear.

Really? The Nikon D2X is an 1.5x crop factor camera. It's not really comparable with the new full frame 1Ds Mark II monster. And IMO even the 1D Mark II is better (faster etc.) than the Nikon D2X.

I wonder how Nikon could get 12 MP on an 1.5x crop factor camera. With the 1D Mark II, 20D, and 1Ds Mark II we've seen that Canon is exceptionally good in making high-density, low-noise sensors. I wonder what the noise is like on the new Nikon. The pixel density is a lot higher than on the new Canon DSLRs, so I expect the Nikon to have more noise.

[evilenglishman]

Before we start piling on, it's important to look at our respective governments, their international trade policies, tarriffs, etc.

Don't forget, we have an active grey market here in the US. Many of the items that are sold that way come from Asia and (gasp!) Europe. Why? Because U.S. dealers can buy them cheaper there.

okay but work this out.

B&H are selling the current 1Ds for $7,999 - this is the same price as the 1Ds Mk2.
Calumet is selling the current 1Ds in the uk for around £5000 including VAT.

Where does the extra £1000 come from?

The £6000 price tag makes it over $10,000

[aam1234]

The population of Europe is around 800,000,000

WOW :shock: where did this figure come from.

[Belmondo]

Evil:
I hear what you're saying, but I still think the answer lies somewhere in the UK and not in Japan. The only point I was trying to make is that there are unseen costs that are added on at the governmental level, and we are largely not privvy to what they are.

There is no greater manisfestation of greed and financial recklessness than that which is demonstrated by most governments; apparently yours has ordained that cameras imported from Japan shall become another revenue source. VAT is the most obvious layer of taxation, but there are others that are less obvoius. Tarriffs vary widely throughout the world, and certainly seem to be widely different depending on where you are.

It isn't fair, but making anyone pay more is not the answer. A better solution is to have the people who are already paying more than their fair share pay less.

Workers unite!!!

[Pekka]

The population of Europe is around 800,000,000

WOW :shock: where did this figure come from.

700 million is more accurate.

See http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats4.htm for example, that seems to be accurate according to http://europa.eu.int/comm/publications/booklets/eu_glance/44/index_en.htm

[neil_r]

I have never been one for cartel conspiracy theories but…… The price differential between Europe and the US is huge, Indeed I bought my 1D MkII (bugger can’t just say MkII now ) From B&H and I paid all the relevant import duty & VAT, it still came in a lot cheaper than the UK retail price.

While we are at it, why will Canon not support international warranties? Is Canon UK in cahoots with the UK Government to actively discourage people from sourcing the camera equipment from aboard? And if so what is in it for Canon?

This is the most ? I have used in a single post/

N

[aam1234]

700 million is more accurate

Guess I was thinking of the EU not Europe.

[jhankins]

I've been waiting for this announcement. What's everyones guess as to how long before we can get one? It will be mine, it will be mine! Something tells me I have a serious wait? For planning purposes, how long is the wait going to be on average?

[Cadwell]

While we are at it, why will Canon not support international warranties? Is Canon UK in cahoots with the UK Government to actively discourage people from sourcing the camera equipment from aboard? And if so what is in it for Canon?

This is the most ? I have used in a single post/

N

First off, I don't honestly think the UK government cares where you buy your camera. If you buy it in the UK then they get the VAT from the shop purchase. If you buy it l from the States and legally import it then they get it when it comes into the country.

I suspect Canon pockets at least part of the price differential. Their attitude on warranties is probably an attempt to "encourage" us to buy locally and hence protect their dealer network. Otherwise they know that we'd all be importing from the States.

[sGu]

Here is a thought, why don't we all save up enough money, write down a list of item to buy, then fly one or two of us Europeans to the states, buy everything, pack them up(flatten boxes, etc. of course), and bring them back, include the flight ticket, we'd save ourselves big chunk of money, and skipping the vat ...

I know a pro photographer fly to the states once every year just to shopping for gear, for a weekend package to New York, including hotels, flights, he saves couple of grand easily(he does buy A LOT everytime he goes), also a nice little break from work, that's what i call a "win-win" situation.

[evilenglishman]

that's what i call a "win-win" situation.

until you find a bug with it :wink:

actually, thinking out loud - it would probably be cheaper to buy imported and if any problems exist, send it to canon uk and pay instead of using the waranty

[sGu]

that's what i call a "win-win" situation.

until you find a bug with it :wink:

actually, thinking out loud - it would probably be cheaper to buy imported and if any problems exist, send it to canon uk and pay instead of using the waranty

exactly, also if you become CPS member, they'll do it for free regardless :wink:

[evilenglishman]

it actually says on this canon page that the sensor is smaller than the 1Ds.

http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/eos1dsm2/specifications.html



1Ds 36 x 24 mm
1Ds Mk2 35.8 x 23.8 mm


maybe only 2mm in each direction but its not full frame anymore, is it?

[evilenglishman]

another question.

Assuming that a photographer owns a 1Ds and uses it in a studio - what would be the reason to upgrade apart from a bigger file size?

E-ttl is pretty irrelivent when shooting in a studio, being able to use ISO50 is a bonus but i cant really see anything else. The buffer is more or less the same as are most of the features.

http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/eos1dsm2/specifications.html

[jd_D60]

"maybe only 2mm in each direction but its not full frame anymore, is it?"

actually for correctness 0.2mm, but I'm with you 100% on the UK premuim rate for Canon gear, might treat myself when I holiday in US in November ....

[CoolToolGuy]

it actually says on this canon page that the sensor is smaller than the 1Ds.

http://www.canon.co.jp/Imaging/eos1dsm2/specifications.html



1Ds 36 x 24 mm
1Ds Mk2 35.8 x 23.8 mm


maybe only 2mm in each direction but its not full frame anymore, is it?

I think you have it the wrong way around - the 1Ds MkII is 36x24 - Check it again. :wink:

Have Fun,

[evilenglishman]

I think you have it the wrong way around - the 1Ds MkII is 36x24 - Check it again. :wink:


ooops! :oops: appologies all round.

I've been thinking about this and I really don't see the justification of buying this camera in the uk.
I could save £1800 and get a new mk1 version with almost the same features, there don't seem to be that many new features to justify the price difference. But hopefully a lot of 1Ds owners will rush out and buy this camera and I'll have plenty of used 1Ds's to choose from :lol:

[BDM]

maybe Canon should start jacking up US prices then - its not acceptable any way you look at it
I really think a lot of this has to do with the policies and goals of the various national importers. I very much remember that in the recent past if you were in the US and wanted to buy Mamya products, you were very foolish if you did not buy them from Robert White in the UK. The prices on professional bodies and lenses were substantially lower than even B&H in New York. Some the differential had to do with the relative strength of the dollar at that time. But a lot of complaining was heard about the relatively high prices of Mamya USA. Perhaps Canon is more realistic.

Other factors may be tax and import differentials. Perhaps Canon feels that it can ask and get a higher price in Europe than in the USA. I believe there is a difference in what the marklet will bear.

And perhaps I am wrong but I also think the camera really is a bit of a leader into subsequent lens sales - - sort of a sale that keeps on producing more profit with each lens sold. Obviously, the more lenses one buys, the more likely one becomes wedded to the camera system. For example, the new Nikon might seem attracting for some, but if a whole new stable of lenses would also have to be purchased I'm not sure how easily such a decision could be made.

Bruce

[CyberDyneSystems]

Not to mention the fact that BOTH are larger than "full frame"... the CCD's are larger than the part that is used.. go figure.

[BDM]

While we are at it, why will Canon not support international warranties? Is Canon UK in cahoots with the UK Government to actively discourage people from sourcing the camera equipment from aboard? And if so what is in it for Canon?

This is the most ? I have used in a single post/

N

I believe Nikon USA was well known for doing that. I believe it was trying to suppress the gray market here but they even went so far as to refuse to service a non-officially imported camera or lens for the life of the equipment. Since there are many very competent repair firms beside the importer's setup, they also refused to sell parts to such repair firms. I think (but don't know for sure) that the government may have cracked down on that procedure.

What's in it for Canon? It is the creation of a captive market in which it can charge the highest price the market will bear without interference from gray market goods. That can be a powerful prize indeed.

Now, in fairness, I do think there is truth in the claim that an official importer is justified in such practices in order to pay the cost of a maintenance, service and distribution facility in a country. After all, if a national importer does not gain the benefit of a sale but is still expected to bear trhe expense of maintaining a local parts and service facility in order to fix equipment imported from elsewhere, there would be little incentive to set up a local shop. We could then look forward to buying the equipment where we chose but if service became necessary, we might then have to send the stuff back to Japan. So, there are tradeoffs.

Bruce

[CoolToolGuy]

Not to mention the fact that BOTH are larger than "full frame"... the CCD's are larger than the part that is used.. go figure.

Hey CDS (pretending to be Bob G. here) - which CCDs are you talking about? I thought Canon was well known for their use of CMOS sensors in their DSLRs!?

:D :roll: :D :roll: :D :roll: :D

[Longwatcher]

Has anyone else checked out Canon USA's one liner for the 1Ds?

"16.7 MEGAPIXELS OF RIGHTEOUS RESOLUTION:"

All I can think of is if the Nikonians haven't converted to THE faith, they soon will be.

Unlike the D2X which is maybe coming out in Jan. The 1DsM2 is coming in November. Except for the price tag, I would pre-order one now. I may still pre-order one before the month is out, but would have to use local store as BH will precharge my card and it can't handle 8K right now., my local store will only ask for a 10% deposit, that I can handle (price should be the same).

I know what I will be getting myself for Christmas, if no emergencies come up before then.

very cool to see it finally and really here, had to add my input. Now I am just curious what my guess was from around January of this year.

[Belmondo]

Has anyone else checked out Canon USA's one liner for the 1Ds?

"16.7 MEGAPIXELS OF RIGHTEOUS RESOLUTION:"

All I can think of is if the Nikonians haven't converted to THE faith, they soon will be.

Unlike the D2X which is maybe coming out in Jan. The 1DsM2 is coming in November. Except for the price tag, I would pre-order one now. I may still pre-order one before the month is out, but would have to use local store as BH will precharge my card and it can't handle 8K right now., my local store will only ask for a 10% deposit, that I can handle (price should be the same).



I know what I will be getting myself for Christmas, if no emergencies come up before then.

very cool to see it finally and really here, had to add my input. Now I am just curious what my guess was from around January of this year.

Okay, Tim. Time to put you money where your ......

Let me start over and rephrase this in gentler terms: This is the camera of your dreams. You didn't buy a 1D Mk II, and you didn't buy the Kodak. You didn't even buy a 20D. You've been waiting your whole life for this moment.

Seize it!

[CyberDyneSystems]

NOOO!

Tim,..

the 1Dsux Mk4800 is just around the corner...

HOLD OFF a little longer!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Tom W]

Okay, Tim. Time to put you money where your ......

Let me start over and rephrase this in gentler terms: This is the camera of your dreams. You didn't buy a 1D Mk II, and you didn't buy the Kodak. You didn't even buy a 20D. You've been waiting your whole life for this moment.

Seize it!

You know, Tim isn't the only one. I shunned the Rebel. I held off on the 1D Mk II due to its price. The 20D wasn't "better enough" to trade up. But this camera, THIS camera is the pinnacle. I saw the sample pix at Canon Japan and saw what 24 mm can do on FF - I guess I had better save my money for a while. :)

Stop me before I do something expensive.

[Sketcher]

I saw the sample pix at Canon Japan and saw what 24 mm can do on FF - I guess I had better save my money for a while. :)

Stop me before I do something expensive.
On the contrary Tom W; we'll gladly be your cheering section and encourage you in any way we can! It's an honorable mention to take one for the team, so anyone considering the 1Ds MKII --> know that we're all behind you (WAY behind you!) ;) :lol:

[timmyquest]

[quote=Tom W]I saw the sample pix at Canon Japan and saw what 24 mm can do on FF - I guess I had better save my money for a while. :)

Stop me before I do something expensive.

Wouldnt it just be cheaper to buy a wider lens 8)

[jhankins]

It seems Canon says it's available in November, my wallet should be ready right about that time. The question will be, will it arrive in time for Xmas? What's everyone's guess if I place an order in mid November?

[Tom W]

Wouldnt it just be cheaper to buy a wider lens 8)

Probably, but it won't fit the dream. ;)

[RichardtheSane]

I saw the sample pix at Canon Japan and saw what 24 mm can do on FF - I guess I had better save my money for a while. :)

Stop me before I do something expensive.

Wouldnt it just be cheaper to buy a wider lens 8)

Personally I prefer the results of a 24mm lens on 35mm over 15mm on my 10D. Something to do with the perspective I think.

But I really don't want to do something expensive

[Longwatcher]

I have been travelling and will be again this next week (hoping to actually visit BH this Sunday)



Wouldnt it just be cheaper to buy a wider lens 8)

I already have the 16-35mm, there is only the 14mm prime and a fisheye left. Okay I could probably add a Sigma to my collection, but then what?

I want the ability to shoot wide angle. To get that nifty wide angle artistic distortion. Thus my options are now...

in reverse order...

1. live with what I have and pretend
2. get a new film camera (yucch!!!...film :)
3. Canon 20D with a 10-22mm lens (close no fisheye - still thinking about everytime I see my account balance)
4. Kodak SLR/c (lower cost 14MP STUDIO only camera)
5. Used Canon 1Ds (thinking about this as alternative, I am always nervous about used, pluse I have not seem significantly lower prices)
6. Brand spanking new Canon 1DsMkII (exceeds what I have now in every form (except price).

I have been saving up to get either the Canon 1Ds upgrade (AKA mkII) or the Kodak SLR/c. Unless I hear something different before I have enough money, I am heading for the Canon. If Canon had not announced an upgrade, I probably would have ordered the Kodak on the 1st of October (or shortly thereafter) as I have enough for that one already saved and I don't wait forever.

I had hoped the street price might be a bit less due to the N guys finally releasing a camera that was somewhat close. But that one definately won't meet my needs at this time.

In short is was just a matter of money versus cameras over time. The mathematical formula would be

((Camera / Money) - Time) * Desire = purchase

Camera is itself a formula for FPS*Buffer/write speed*resolution-crop factor-noise*(lens mount squarred)+misc other factors
Money is simple formula savings+credit-loans
Time is duration until better camera is likely to be out (2 years for Canon, Spring for Kodak maybe)
and Desire is camera / everything else I want.
When the value of purchase equals one, I get one camera. should it equal two then I get two cameras (which is why I have D60 and 10D currently.

I am rambling so I will stop now.

[CoolToolGuy]

Dpreview has a samples gallery they took at Photokina.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0409/04092702eos1dssamps.asp

Have Fun,

[Radtech1]

In short is was just a matter of money versus cameras over time. The mathematical formula would be

((Camera / Money) - Time) * Desire = purchase

Camera is itself a formula for FPS*Buffer/write speed*resolution-crop factor-noise*(lens mount squarred)+misc other factors
Money is simple formula savings+credit-loans
Time is duration until better camera is likely to be out (2 years for Canon, Spring for Kodak maybe)
and Desire is camera / everything else I want.

When the value of purchase equals one, I get one camera.

Longwatcher,

I love your formula, and after I had shown Marcia image samples, and described the specs, I was pointing out your formula as the final piece of evidence on why I should get this camera.

She, however, found a fatal error in your formula. As it turns out, she said that for the expression "purchase decision" to equal "camera" I would need to invert marital status.

Damn!

Rad

[HKFEVER]

So who is going to buy 1D Mark II now !!

I guess I need to sell my 1D Mark II now.

[cmM]

Dpreview has a samples gallery they took at Photokina.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0409/04092702eos1dssamps.asp

Have Fun,
wooooow :shock:
I just saw how 17mm looks like on a full frame sensor. (reffering to the picture in the church)

[RichardtheSane]

So who is going to buy 1D Mark II now !!

I guess I need to sell my 1D Mark II now.

People who want to spend £3000 instead of £5000 on a camera ;)

[Jesper]

NOOO!

Tim,..

the 1Dsux Mk4800 is just around the corner...

HOLD OFF a little longer!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Well, what about this thing: Mamiya ZD and digital back (http://www.dpreview.com/news/0409/04092902mamiya_zd.asp) - it has a 48 x 36 mm (yes, that's right, TWICE the size of the 1Ds Mark II) sensor with 22 megapixels.

[evilenglishman]

So who is going to buy 1D Mark II now !!

I guess I need to sell my 1D Mark II now.

People who want to spend £3000 instead of £5000 on a camera ;)

£5000?
I don't think you have read the price right

[sptxs]

This is off the topic of price, but I read somewhere that the IDs Mk2 normally shoots 4fps and that it can shoot 8fps at half the resolution. Has anyone else heard this? If this is the case, why would anyone buy the 1D Mk2?

[Vita Rara]

This is off the topic of price, but I read somewhere that the IDs Mk2 normally shoots 4fps and that it can shoot 8fps at half the resolution. Has anyone else heard this? If this is the case, why would anyone buy the 1D Mk2?

Lack of $4,000 maybe? :roll:

Mark

[CyberDyneSystems]

This is off the topic of price, but I read somewhere that the IDs Mk2 normally shoots 4fps and that it can shoot 8fps at half the resolution. Has anyone else heard this? If this is the case, why would anyone buy the 1D Mk2?

This actually sounds more like the latest Nikon.. 12 MP and double speed at 6MP...

[jhankins]

Unless I'm misunderstanding this taken straight from Canon USA website

Continuous Shooting Speed


Approx. 4 fps (at 1/250 sec. or faster for all recording quality settings)

I read as it's best rate is approximately 4 fps. It would be awesome if what you say is correct and it can do 8 at 8 for example. I suspect that's not the case however. Either way, can't wait to get my hands on mine. I look multiple times a day to see when we can order one
:wink:

[jhankins]

http://www.imagingspectrum.com

They are allowing pre-orders for $7999, just stumbled accross this today. Not sure how long it's been there.

I'm awaiting BHPhoto as I've ordered most of my stuff through them. That's a bit too much money to spend without having purchased from them before, especially for a pre-order. Anybody purchased from them before?

Jim

[jhankins]

FYI showing on Amazon as well with Ship date of November 20th. We're almost there! Woo Woo

[chris.bailey]

Am I the only one wondering how long a 1mb card of RAW files is going to take to transfer over Wi-Fi (to the nearest day or so)

[jhankins]

Somewhere around 3 minutes without actually testing.

http://www.t1shopper.com/tools/calculate/downloadcalculator.shtml

802.11G is like 54MB Not including overhead, so I used a DS3 as a comparrison 45mb.

Regards,

Jim

[Red Squirrel]

...so what would one expect to pay for a 1d MK II from b&H with all taxes for the UK?
The best I've seen within the EU is 4000 EUROS ( £2800 )

[skiphoto]

Is there a price on the WiFi? I have not seen one posted yet

CHeers