20D Noise

[Doom1701e]

Does anyone notice more noise in the dark areas of 20D RAW pictures (100ISO) vs. the 10D (100ISO)? I may just be paranoid but my photos on the 20D shot at 100ISO look like 400ISO. :(

[DReb-MO]

Does anyone notice more noise in the dark areas of 20D RAW pictures (100ISO) vs. the 10D (100ISO)? I may just be paranoid but my photos on the 20D shot at 100ISO look like 400ISO. :(

Sorry don't own a 10D. I have noticed just the opposite when compared to the 300D though. More like 400ISO on the 20D compares to 100ISO on the 300D.

[Jack_C]

I noticed that with 20D iso100 pictures, skys and out of focus backgrounds do seem to often have a different look than with the last gen of cameras. More grain or a processed pattern.

On the plus side, iso800 is now very usable, if you over expose by 1/3 its amazing.

[drisley]

I dont yet have the 20D. But, when viewing samples online, I thought I might have seen more noise on the images at lower ISO's (up to 400) than on the 10D/300D.
Funny thing is that the graphs and charts in the reviews show the 20D having the same amount of noise as the older generation camers.
If it's any consolation, the larger image sizes will make up for that noise.

I wonder if the same thing exists for the 1D MKII.
I did see a chart showing the MKII having the same noise as the 10D upto ISO800, and more noise than the 10D at ISO1600 and 3200 which I thought was weird.

[drisley]

BTW, could you maybe post a sample showing this?

[tommy6206]

Every body is posting how good the low noise level is in the 20D over the 10D. But is this just down to the noise filter that can be enabled in camera as a custom function if so then the same can be achieved from the 10D in photoshop or other noise reduction software.I'm not taking anything away from what seems a great new camera. But i have yet to see any great improvement on posted pics on the web yet over the 10D. All i see is excuses like "this is not a great shot but" or "the light wasn't great but". I'm not trying to start a war here its just that i only got my 10D a few weeks ago then i hear about the new 20D and feel sick as a pig and think to myself I should have waited. But after seeing some of the results of posted photo's I am more than happy with the 10D. It my not be as fast or quick to start up but like i said above i have yet to see better quality pics posted that the 10D cant do. And that is what counts ,the end result.

[Scottes]

Tommy I think you're making excuses for having just bought a 10D right before the 20D came out. If you bought the 10D brand new then it was a big mistake. The 10D is a great camera, but if you paid $1500 for it when you could have paid $1500 for a 20D.... If you paid $800 for the 10D then be very happy that you got a great camera for half what many of us paid.


I personally don't see much difference in noise over the 10D but I haven't tested it - I haven't even compared 2 similar ISO 800 shots or anything. There's many other things about the 20D that I like, and so far I'm very happy that I bought it.

[roanjohn]

There is "NO" discernable difference between a 10D image and a 20D image. If you have to look at two images, you will probably not guess which came from which...........The only advantage a 20D can give you is low noise at high ISO levels and 2 extra megapixels.

..........but this is just my opinion.

My Rebel pics are just as good as my 20D pics.........

Ro1

[tommy6206]

Hi Scottes
No mate far from it. I thought that way when i first heard about the 20D but after hearing about all the problems some people are having with it but most of all the pics people are posting from there 20D's are no better than the 10D.I have yet to see some thing posted that would make me feel like I should have waited I hope to be proved wrong.
ps
I did buy new but at a very good price and think i would have gone with the 10D on price alone.

[Jesper]

Hi Scottes
No mate far from it. I thought that way when i first heard about the 20D but after hearing about all the problems some people are having with it....

You know, whenever a new camera comes out, within a few weeks the Internet will be full of people complaining that they have a problem with it. It was this way with the 10D (focus problems), the Nikon D70 (strange colour casts under certain conditions) and ofcourse also with the 20D people are starting to imagine that there are "fundamental flaws" with it.

Just don't believe everything that people write on the Internet. The 20D is not a problem camera. I hope you didn't get a 10D only because some random people on the internet convinced you that the 20D has problems.

[Scottes]

Just don't believe everything that people write on the Internet. The 20D is not a problem camera. I hope you didn't get a 10D only because some random people on the internet convinced you that the 20D has problems.

No doubt! Hopefully Tommy didn't get one that backfocuses. I heard that lots of 10Ds had this problem. :-)

[Mark_Cohran]

I have both the 10D and the 20D. In comparison, the photos from the 20D set with the same in-camera processing paramaters as the 10D seem to be smoother and creamier with slightly less noise that the 10D at ISO 100. At ISO 400 and above, the noise reduction is significant. When you do a camera to camera comparison, you need to make sure that the processing parameters are set the same, or that you're shooting raw and using the same raw conversion parameters, otherwise you're not comparing apples to apples.

Mark

[tommy6206]

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you know, whenever a new camera comes out, within a few weeks the Internet will be full of people complaining that they have a problem with it. It was this way with the 10D (focus problems), the Nikon D70 (strange colour casts under certain conditions) and ofcourse also with the 20D people are starting to imagine that there are "fundamental flaws" with it.

Just don't believe everything that people write on the Internet. The 20D is not a problem camera. I hope you didn't get a 10D only because some random people on the internet convinced you that the 20D has problems.

No jasper i got the 10D before I knew about the 20D and I am very pleased with it not 1 problem so far and long may that continue :lol:
I also don't believe all I read about the new 20D the "WOW its mile ahead of the 10D" or I couldn't have done that with the 10D :wink:
I have seen and read a lot of posts of people posting about the problem they are having with the 20D and then get flamed for doing so.If you have 1 and are not getting these problems then great but please except they may be some out there that may have a faulty 1 for what ever reason and not flame them. Keep the my camera is better than yours for the Canon v nikon war 8)

[Saturn]

Hello:

I got my 10D early this past May. I would not get a 20D, simply to replace my aging 10D. The 10D is too good a camera to spend another $1500 on something that's got 2 extra MP and a bit less noise. We regularly fractal and use other software to manipulate our files to well beyond the native 6MP of the 10D, without a problem or loss of file quality.

If the 20D had the second (SD) card slot, then I would upgrade right away. I really would feel more secure with the 2-slot option (in-camera backup) of the MKII, but it's not worth the extra $3,000 to get it!

Thanks.

[Doom1701e]

Well I have found a significant image quality improvment (color and clarity) over the 10D since I have started using the 20D. Maybe my 10D has the backfocus problem, but all of my images have been coming out razor sharp. But like I said at the top of this post, they just seem to have more noise than a 10D. But no matter, so far the 20D has been working great and yielding images that are the same if not better than the 10D.

[HJMinard]

There is "NO" discernable difference between a 10D image and a 20D image.

My Rebel pics are just as good as my 20D pics.........

Ro1

This is to be expected, isn't it? The 20D is not a magic pill for suddenly taking better photographs. It does offer quite a few features not available on the 300D that allow for increased creative freedom and the two extra megapixels (over 10D/300D) allow for larger prints.

The only advantage a 20D can give you is low noise at high ISO levels and 2 extra megapixels.

Only advantages? That depends upon your needs. If you're a sports photographer then the faster FPS and CF write speeds are important advantages. Not to mention the (purportedly) faster autofocus.

The bottom line is that you're paying for features, not image quality (except where those features allow you to get an exposure you might not get without them).

[drisley]

Actually, for me the lower noise and 2 mpixels are at the bottom of the list of my reasons to upgrade.
For me it's 1. speed, 2. improved autofocus 3. ETTL2

[roanjohn]

The only advantage a 20D can give you is low noise at high ISO levels and 2 extra megapixels.

Only advantages? That depends upon your needs. If you're a sports photographer then the faster FPS and CF write speeds are important advantages. Not to mention the (purportedly) faster autofocus.

The bottom line is that you're paying for features, not image quality (except where those features allow you to get an exposure you might not get without them).

..........I was refering to image quality............Of course, the main reason why I upgraded to the 20D is not because of the extra 2 mPxl.

..........it was because its BLACK!!!

Ro1

[HJMinard]

............Of course, the main reason why I upgraded to the 20D is not because of the extra 2 mPxl.

..........it was because its BLACK!!!

Ro1

Blatant racism :wink: :lol:

[Jesper]

No jasper i got the 10D before I knew about the 20D and I am very pleased with it not 1 problem so far and long may that continue :lol:
I also don't believe all I read about the new 20D the "WOW its mile ahead of the 10D" or I couldn't have done that with the 10D :wink:
I have seen and read a lot of posts of people posting about the problem they are having with the 20D and then get flamed for doing so.If you have 1 and are not getting these problems then great but please except they may be some out there that may have a faulty 1 for what ever reason and not flame them. Keep the my camera is better than yours for the Canon v nikon war 8)

Well, ofcourse the 20D is a better camera than the 10D, but when you only look at the image quality, the difference is not huge. We've already had discussions on the forums here about whether the 20D is a huge leap forward or just the next step up from the 10D.

I have a 10D which I have for almost 1 year now, never had a problem with it and it's a great camera! Ofcourse the 20D is really nice, but for me the difference is not so big that I want to upgrade immediately. If someone gives me a nice offer for my 10D, I might think about it..... :)

I just wanted to say, use your common sense and take that what people write on internet with a grain of salt (is that a correct English expression ;) ?).....

[drisley]

Have a look at the pictures Don Ellis (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=43117)routinely produces with his G2.
Kinda makes ya wonder if these super expensive slr's are worth it doesn't it?!

[Scottes]

Jesper, yes, that's correct.


Don Ellis's stuff is simply Amazing. Astounding. And on a G2?? There are no words...