3 new Canon SLR's in 2008?

[Broncobear]

Ok so a little digging around from what the Canon execs are saying, I'm thinking there could very well be 2 SLR's Jan 24th. and 1 in August.

Especially since Pentax is certainly going to announce the K20D, Canon wants a shot at some some awards in 2008.

450: They are whispering Image stabalization in the body

http://www.photographybay.com/2007/09/27/canon-rebel-xti-replacement/

5 d MKII...this would be a monster..

http://www.photographybay.com/2007/09/18/canon-5d-mark-ii-coming-november-2007/

A 3D or a 7D release:

[MLphoto]

I just still think the 450D is to early, if it came out in the summer that would be a right time.

[Thunderheart]

I just still think the 450D is to early, if it came out in the summer that would be a right time.
...but in the Southern Hemisphere it will be summer. ;)

[Broncobear]

he has a point lol

[pieq314]

I just still think the 450D is to early, if it came out in the summer that would be a right time.
Of the three guesses, the 450D (or whatever it will be called) is almost certain to be announced. 5D Mk II will be announce in 2008 but no one here knows if it will be announced now or in the fall. 3D is still in the rumor stage.

[Broncobear]

Of the three guesses, the 450D (or whatever it will be called) is almost certain to be announced. 5D Mk II will be announce in 2008 but no one here knows if it will be announced now or in the fall. 3D is still in the rumor stage.

Aye it is but that would be so cool, to have a 45 AF point eye controlled focus camera. Talk about industry shattering.

[Jim G]

I don't buy the 3D/7D reports... 450D and 5DII don't seem that unlikely, though. Guess we'll see shortly...

[ryanraphael]

According to tradition, 1dIIIn will be released mid of this year.
While I guess with a 3D as companion.

[aero145]

This the stuff I think Canon SHOULD announce in PMA and before the Olympics:

EOS-1D Mark IV with 307,000 pixels screen, approx. 14 mpx and 10 fps, with PERFECT AF
EOS-3D: 1D3 sensor, 8 fps, 1D II AF (with some tweaking), same screen as 1D4, 1D-like battery grip
EOS 7D: 5D successor, with the same sensor as the 1D4, AF from the 40D, and same 307k px screen
EOS 450D/DR XTx: Successor to the 400D/DR XTi with some nice additions

:D

[Broncobear]

The way I reaosn with this...PMA is pre olympic so get out the big stuff....the show in August is pre-christmas so get out the xti replacement so it gets used as a gift under the tree.

[Geoffery]

EOS 450D is 6MP full frame and EOS 450Ds is 8.6MP full frame - bye bye to EF-S mount.
For PMA Show 2008.

EOS-3D is 12.8MP full frame with 6 fps, new 60-point AF eclispe and DiG!C III, Live View w/AF, 3.0" OLED screen and more. Basically a "preview" of advanced technology to come and the 3D serves as the testbed, just as it did on the 5D (Picture Styles, low noise and 2.5-inch LCD). In time for Photokina 2008 in September.

[Broncobear]

An entry level full frame? You really think? almost unbelievable

[bnlearle]

EOS 450D is 6MP full frame and EOS 450Ds is 8.6MP full frame - bye bye to EF-S mount.
For PMA Show 2008.

EOS-3D is 12.8MP full frame with 6 fps, new 60-point AF eclispe and DiG!C III, Live View w/AF, 3.0" OLED screen and more. Basically a "preview" of advanced technology to come and the 3D serves as the testbed, just as it did on the 5D (Picture Styles, low noise and 2.5-inch LCD). In time for Photokina 2008 in September.
I don't see an entry level DLSR going below 10MP's no less dropping to 6MP's. The entry level consumer sees MP's before anything else.

[John_TX]

I think an entry-level FF (or xxD FF) is right around the corner.
Probably won't be released this February, but it wouldn't at all surprise me if a sub $1500 USD street priced FF camera is released within the next 9-12 months.
Think FF 40D/50D for a couple hundred dollars more (to cover the increase in CMOS cost).

Additionally, remember that Canon's new CMOS sensor factory is opening soon. This should allow them to drastically increase both CMOS quantity AND quality.

[Broncobear]

Wow you guys are making 2008 into a huge technology changing year.

[JC4]

I think an entry-level FF (or xxD FF) is right around the corner.
Probably won't be released this February, but it wouldn't at all surprise me if a sub $1500 USD street priced FF camera is released within the next 9-12 months.
Think FF 40D/50D for a couple hundred dollars more (to cover the increase in CMOS cost).

Additionally, remember that Canon's new CMOS sensor factory is opening soon. This should allow them to drastically increase both CMOS quantity AND quality.

Isn't the 5d just a 20d with a FF sensor? Same AF, same processor, similar body, less a flash and a larger VF(because a 20d VF would only show you 75% of the image). And, it was hardly just $500 more than the 20d.

That would be a significant change in Canon's product line-up. Even if you look at VERY recent history it doesn't follow. The 1Ds is not much more than a larger sensor in a 1D, at nearly double the price. If they came out with a FF for less $ than the current 5d it would be great for the customer, unless you recently purchased a 5d :)

[Broncobear]

5D is 12.8 MP and 20D is 8.2 MP....full frame sensors use up more battery and take longer to save which is why it is 3 FPS as opposed to 5 like the 20D.

[JC4]

5D is 12.8 MP and 20D is 8.2 MP....full frame sensors use up more battery and take longer to save which is why it is 3 FPS as opposed to 5 like the 20D.

Yea.....Not sure what question you're answering here. That makes the 5d even less of an upgrade to the 20d, and the price was double. That was my point. There wont likely be a 40d + FF sensor for just a $500 premium. It doesn't fit Canons pricing scheme.

[Broncobear]

Yea.....Not sure what question you're answering here. That makes the 5d even less of an upgrade to the 20d, and the price was double. That was my point. There wont likely be a 40d + FF sensor for just a $500 premium. It doesn't fit Canons pricing scheme.

I think we are agreeing here but I just read your statement wrong. sorry

[Geoffery]

I don't see an entry level DLSR going below 10MP's no less dropping to 6MP's. The entry level consumer sees MP's before anything else.
Nikon has no problem selling the D40 with only 6MP.

A full-frame 6MP will have cleaner images at high ISO and a lot of EOS users from film era can shoot with a full-frame DSLR without breaking the bank. Those that could not afford either the 5D or 1Ds MK II (or III).

[Broncobear]

Nikon has no problem selling the D40 with only 6MP.

A full-frame 6MP will have cleaner images at high ISO and a lot of EOS users from film era can shoot with a full-frame DSLR without breaking the bank. Those that could not afford either the 5D or 1Ds MK II (or III).

I believe Nikon released the 40X with 10 MP because it realized in needed to update the 6 MP of the 40 in order to continue selling. No one will buy a 6 MP SLR anymore.

[Geoffery]

I believe Nikon released the 40X with 10 MP because it realized in needed to update the 6 MP of the 40 in order to continue selling. No one will buy a 6 MP SLR anymore.
Apparently you don't know about the market situation in Japan. The D40/D40x put Nikon to be ahead of Canon for the first time in SLR/DSLR sales in Japan's domestic market since 1975. If it works for Nikon, it will work for any brand willing to capitalize on the domestic market. Sony's latest Alpha A200 is set to take up that lucrative segment for 2008.

The print buttons on the EOS 30D, 40D and 5D are considered nonsenses and meaningless outside of Japan but the Japanese kind of loved it.

[pieq314]

The D40/D40x put Nikon to be ahead of Canon for the first time in SLR/DSLR sales in Japan's domestic market since 1975.
Is that accurate? I always thought Nikon was the leader in film SLR before the digital age (and I believe Pentax was the film SLR leader in the distant past before Nikon took over).

[John_TX]

Apparently you don't know about the market situation in Japan. The D40/D40x put Nikon to be ahead of Canon for the first time in SLR/DSLR sales in Japan's domestic market since 1975. If it works for Nikon, it will work for any brand willing to capitalize on the domestic market. Sony's latest Alpha A200 is set to take up that lucrative segment for 2008.

The print buttons on the EOS 30D, 40D and 5D are considered nonsenses and meaningless outside of Japan but the Japanese kind of loved it.

They advertise the hell outta the print button on the G9. It obviously must be a used/requested feature in this segment (or they got some nice incentives from PictBridge or other printer manufacturer's to stick it on most of their cameras).

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&tabact=ModelFeaturesTabAct&fcategoryid=144&modelid=15669&pageno=5

[Tsmith]

If this info is correct I'd seriously consider parting ways with my EOS 30D, EF-S 10-22mm and EF 70-200mm gear to help fund the purchase. Then I would be able to take full advantage of my extremely sharp 17-40mm and use the super nice 24-105mm as an all around lens.

decisions

[danpass]

How about compacts? Announced at the same time?


Just curious :D





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[joeman]

I cannot believe that there will be an entry level full frame. Two considerations: first is the cost of the silicon. Reducing yield of good sensors per wafer start is costly (bigger sensor = less sensors per wafer). Don't see any technology changes on the horizon that is really going be bring the cost of a good full frame sensor down to consumer level prices anytime soon. Second is the market. The camera industry have invested a lot of money in telling the market that pixel count is everything. Everyone has had the question asked, "how many megapixels is that camera?" No one ever asks about sensor size. Canon will have a difficult time turning market expectations around in the consumer world.

[John_TX]

I cannot believe that there will be an entry level full frame. Two considerations: first is the cost of the silicon. Reducing yield of good sensors per wafer start is costly (bigger sensor = less sensors per wafer). Don't see any technology changes on the horizon that is really going be bring the cost of a good full frame sensor down to consumer level prices anytime soon. Second is the market. The camera industry have invested a lot of money in telling the market that pixel count is everything. Everyone has had the question asked, "how many megapixels is that camera?" No one ever asks about sensor size. Canon will have a difficult time turning market expectations around in the consumer world.

I respectfully disagree. Intel has done a pretty damn good job of shying around the megahertz war (which they started with the netburst architecture). Intel reached the point about 24 months ago where simply increasing clock speed just wasn't going to do it. The CPU's needed to run at too high voltage and and transistor counts were out of this world.
Not to mention the extreme heat some of those 3+ ghz chips were pumping out. Hence the introduction of the Core Duo & Core 2 Duo chips. Increase computing power by bootstrapping two processor cores and increasing cache.

Apply megahertz to megapixel. We're already quickly approaching the point where sensors either a) can't increase much more in megapixels without adding ungodly amounts of noise and heat...neither are acceptable; or b) sensor size will have to increase to keep the megapixel war going. Increasing sensor size will allow them to keep increasing megapixel count to a certain extent or will give them the option of possibly working sensor size into their advertising as another "feature" customers can compare.
Just as Intel did with the whole 2 cores are better, Canon would also advertise that larger CCD/CMOS sensors are better in that regard as well.

Just as we've seen the megapixel war & the optical zoom war in the P&S lines, manufacturer's will probably use marketing to help corner market share by differentiating their sensor size from others.

[CyberDyneSystems]

3D? :lol:

[joeman]

A full frame sensor takes a lot of real estate on the wafer. Wafer size is not going anywhere for a while. Intel hasn't incresed die size , (2 smaller die vs a large single die along with lower power density) Yield is not as much as a concern in this situation. I'd love to know what Canon's yield is for FF sensors. In other words, there isn't much Canon can do to cut the cost of the sensor (for now). I think I calculated that they most likely get about 30 sensors per wafer start. Assuming that each wafer cost about $6K means that each FF sensor cost about $200. I still can't believe that I can go buy a 5D for $2100. Can Canon offer the same technology for $800? I really doubt it. Cutting pixels to 6M on a FF sensor will not effect cost, it will just make a great low noise sensor.

[DVS_WiNdz]

Don't know if it is time for a 450D yet.. maybe by the end of the year or early next year?

[silvex]

Maybe they will use the 30D body with for a FF 6MP 450D that would be a hit and price it for under $1000

[Broncobear]

But the 5D is going to be down to about 1800 once it's next release is out. why would they canibilize themselves like that?

[Geoffery]

I will admit that the FF entry-levels are just my part of PMA 2008 predictions than reality. What is confirmed are two new entry-level EOS DSLRs and both won't be a 5D replacement or successor. That's all I know. Whether any of these two models are going to be 1.6x, 1.3x or FF is anyone's guess for time being.

And, for the last time, forget about there going to be an EOS 5D MK II, there won't be any. "Mark xxx ... " designation is reserved exclusively for 1D-series, and not for entry-level and midrange EOS bodies. If it was, Canon would have named EOS 30D as EOS 20D Mark II already but it didn't.

While PMA Show is USA's most important annual photo-related trade show, it is still not as popular as the bi-annual Photokina World Imaging Fair held at Cologne, Germany. The reason both the new Mark IIIs were announced last year is due to 2007 being Canon Inc's 70th anniversary but Photokina is best reserved for bigger product announcements.

With exception to 1D Mark II and 1D Mark III, all previous and existing 1D-series as well as the 5D were announced during the 2nd half (or 3rd-quarter) of their debut years:

EOS-1D in Sept 2001
EOS-1Ds in Sept 2002 (Photokina)
EOS-1Ds Mark II in Sept 2004 (Photokina)
EOS 5D & EOS-1D Mark II N in August 2005 (non-Photokina year)
EOS-1Ds Mark III in August 2007 (non-Photokina year)

[David Nicole]

EOS 450D is 6MP full frame and EOS 450Ds is 8.6MP full frame - bye bye to EF-S mount.
For PMA Show 2008.

EOS-3D is 12.8MP full frame with 6 fps, new 60-point AF eclispe and DiG!C III, Live View w/AF, 3.0" OLED screen and more. Basically a "preview" of advanced technology to come and the 3D serves as the testbed, just as it did on the 5D (Picture Styles, low noise and 2.5-inch LCD). In time for Photokina 2008 in September.

It won't be. Canon designed lenses like 10-22, 17-55 exactly for those. xxxD and xxD they will be forever APS-C as long as EF-S is in market. Newbies doesn't know about FF ore APS; is only about mpx; this is where marketing is making some logic. For the advanced shooter FF is the next level.
And the mother of all APS si 1D whitch is exactly designed for sport, birders for all teleshoters. So crop has its way and it makes some sense.

Abot FF there is the need for an entry level camera (5D-7D), an advanced pro one for general pro photographer (3D) and the top studio camera (1Ds)

[VTSHEP1]

I just still think the 450D is to early, if it came out in the summer that would be a right time.

I wish it was too early, because that would almost ensure the 5DmkII or 3D, 7D....unfortunately the 450D line is and has always been on an 18 month release schedule, and its been 18 months.

Maybe Canon will do something different this year.

[Broncobear]

The thing is it with it being an Olympic year...I thought PMA might be a huge time to be put in new additions.

[VTSHEP1]

The thing is it with it being an Olympic year...I thought PMA might be a huge time to be put in new additions.

In 2004 before the summer olypics they released the 1DmkII in late January, and waited until the fall for the 20D and the 1DsmkII. This makes sense as the 1D is the sports shooter...

[blackshadow]

Nikon has no problem selling the D40 with only 6MP.

A full-frame 6MP will have cleaner images at high ISO and a lot of EOS users from film era can shoot with a full-frame DSLR without breaking the bank. Those that could not afford either the 5D or 1Ds MK II (or III).

I'd certainly be interested in something along these lines as my second body after my 1DM3.

[Bob-Hamlet]

[quote=Geoffery;4747545]I will admit that the FF entry-levels are just my part of PMA 2008 predictions than reality. What is confirmed are two new entry-level EOS DSLRs and both won't be a 5D replacement or successor.

Well, I have expected a FF entry-level camera in 2007-09, but I think a Canon executive stated that there is no need for FF in entry-level cameras; no reason was stated, but I figure that the improvement in noise-pixel ratio in 1.6x-sensors will continue to improve, negating any need for FF for that reason, and entry-level cameras should be as small as possible, low-cost cameras.

I also think you are wrong about the 5D replacement - I think it will be announced a 7D or 3D at PMA, simply because a Canon executive has stated that they are going to release a "5D-intermediate" camera, and I don't think they would spill their beans unless the release is imminent.

However, it could be a more "intermediate", aka 40D, FF-camera at PMA (named 7D), and a more semi-professional, aka 3D, at photokina in the fall.

I think Canon has a few surprises for us... ;)

[FlyingPhotog]

The thing is it with it being an Olympic year...I thought PMA might be a huge time to be put in new additions.

I see one minor flaw in your thinking:

A gig like the Olympics just isn't the place to be a guniea pig. You HAVE to know your gear cold (no time for new tricks) and you HAVE to trust that it will work (no room for Oh Sh*t, I forgot to set this, that or the other...)

Canon, of course, can introduce whatever they desire at PMA, but I don't think The Olympics, Super Bowl, World Series, NBA Finals, etc are places to use as "proving grounds."

Just my $0.02...

[blackshadow]

I see one minor flaw in your thinking:

A gig like the Olympics just isn't the place to be a guniea pig. You HAVE to know your gear cold (no time for new tricks) and you HAVE to trust that it will work (no room for Oh Sh*t, I forgot to set this, that or the other...)

Canon, of course, can introduce whatever they desire at PMA, but I don't think The Olympics, Super Bowl, World Series, NBA Finals, etc are places to use as "proving grounds."

Just my $0.02...

I recall that there were 1DM3 pre production models being used at major sporting events before it was released. It's a while back now but I think the Superbowl was one of the events it was used at.

Where else are you going to properly test the abilities of a camera designed for sports shooting unless they let sports shooters cover some actual events?

[Broncobear]

I see one minor flaw in your thinking:

A gig like the Olympics just isn't the place to be a guniea pig. You HAVE to know your gear cold (no time for new tricks) and you HAVE to trust that it will work (no room for Oh Sh*t, I forgot to set this, that or the other...)

Canon, of course, can introduce whatever they desire at PMA, but I don't think The Olympics, Super Bowl, World Series, NBA Finals, etc are places to use as "proving grounds."

Just my $0.02...

The olympics are not until July so releases in March will have plenty fo time to get thouroughly tested and knowing pro sport photographers like I do, they thrive on bleeding edge technology to get the better action shots.

I actually think there may be more lenses then bodies to help for the olympics but I do know test beta's have been used at major sporting events and some photographers were happy to volunteer in trying them out.

[herbe_nelson]

The olympics are not until July so releases in March will have plenty fo time to get thouroughly tested and knowing pro sport photographers like I do, they thrive on bleeding edge technology to get the better action shots.

I actually think there may be more lenses then bodies to help for the olympics but I do know test beta's have been used at major sporting events and some photographers were happy to volunteer in trying them out.

olympics begin on the 8/8/08 :p August not july. Sorry but I am a bit of an olympics buff... ;)

Should see some great shots coming from the olympics with all the new gear coming out :D

All the best,
Nelson

[Broncobear]

olympics begin on the 8/8/08 :p August not july. Sorry but I am a bit of an olympics buff... ;)

Should see some great shots coming from the olympics with all the new gear coming out :D

All the best,
Nelson

Yes my mistake sorry....usually the last round of the qualifications are in July.

[pieq314]

So no 5D replacement this time.

Now about the 2 new entry level DSLRs. One is the 450D for sure. But what would be the 2nd entry level DSLR? It do not think 7D would qualify as entry level. So would it be something similar to the Nikon's D40? But the 400D itself is already quite cheap now ($500).

[Broncobear]

[quote=pieq314;4755978]So no 5D replacement this time.
[quote]

You mean it's official?

[Tom W]

I think people keep forgetting that Canon still markets and sells the 8 mpx 350D (Rebel XT). It is priced at $395 (body only) and $460 (body and 18-55 lens) at B&H right now. That is direct competition for the 6.1 mpx Nikon D40.

If the 450D rumors are correct, the 400D might well take the role of the low priced entry level body while the 450D takes it's spot in the $600 range.

[pieq314]

[quote=pieq314;4755978]So no 5D replacement this time.
[quote]

You mean it's official?

There is a guy on DPreview that posted "no 5D now". That guy had a good track record of predicting Canon announcements a few days before Canon actually made the announcements.

Some one else in this forum had a post with something like "it is confirmed that 2 entry level DSLRs".

[mattograph]

What are the odds they announce some bodies that actually won't see release until next year?

[Broncobear]

What are the odds they announce some bodies that actually won't see release until next year?

Not likely, customary ....announcements in January are released in Spring...and Announcements in August are release by middle fall.

[mattograph]

Not likely, customary ....announcements in January are released in Spring...and Announcements in August are release by middle fall.

Hmmm........ Not too familiar with the how they handle the bodies, but was thinking about how they were approaching the 200 mm / 800 mm lens.

I sure hope they have something to fight the D300. Our local camera shop sold 4 yesterday, and 0 5Ds.

[Broncobear]

Hmmm........ Not too familiar with the how they handle the bodies, but was thinking about how they were approaching the 200 mm / 800 mm lens.

I sure hope they have something to fight the D300. Our local camera shop sold 4 yesterday, and 0 5Ds.

Well 5D is 3 years old, and D300 is only a few month's. I wouldn't panic yet.

[herbe_nelson]

[quote=Broncobear;4756019][quote=pieq314;4755978]So no 5D replacement this time.


There is a guy on DPreview that posted "no 5D now". That guy had a good track record of predicting Canon announcements a few days before Canon actually made the announcements.

Some one else in this forum had a post with something like "it is confirmed that 2 entry level DSLRs".

you are talking about tsiphoto. He surfaced after a couple of months absence to say that there will be no 5D replacement at pma. That was all he said though... :confused:

He has been pretty right in the past but this time I hoe he is off the mark. Maybe if they release a 7D because it is not considered a 5d successor because it wouldn't have much better specs.

Nelson

[pieq314]

[quote=pieq314;4756108][quote=Broncobear;4756019]

you are talking about tsiphoto. He surfaced after a couple of months absence to say that there will be no 5D replacement at pma. That was all he said though... :confused:

He has been pretty right in the past but this time I hoe he is off the mark. Maybe if they release a 7D because it is not considered a 5d successor because it wouldn't have much better specs.

Nelson

Yes, that is the guy. I also hope that 7D will be announced. And tsiphoto does not consider it to be a 5D replacement (and technically, 7D is not a 5D replacement).

[Dragos Jianu]

Do people judge cameras by price alone? So if you don't get to shell out 3300$ it's not a 5D replacement ? What was the 5D if not a FF, low FPS 30D? Then how come a FF low fps 40D sold for a decent 2000-2200$ can't possibly be a 5D replacement ?
Amazing how the human brain "thinks" (" " since in this case it's not about logic). Reminds me about http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/01/15/america/wine.php

[Dragos Jianu]

I think people keep forgetting that Canon still markets and sells the 8 mpx 350D (Rebel XT). It is priced at $395 (body only) and $460 (body and 18-55 lens) at B&H right now. That is direct competition for the 6.1 mpx Nikon D40.

If the 450D rumors are correct, the 400D might well take the role of the low priced entry level body while the 450D takes it's spot in the $600 range.

Theoretically you might be right. Except Nikon is expected to replace the D40 in a few days. If you take into account the massive impact live preview has on it's market target (moms&co), the 400D would hardly be a match for a D40 replacement with live preview. "but this one has live preview honey!" easy pick
Additionally, keeping the 350D on the shelves to compete with the D40 was nothing but a compromise. I'm not talking specs alone here. I'm talking from a marketing POV. The fact that it's an old generation camera (take the size of the LCD for example) plays a big role psychologically. Amateurs, tend to go for the latest tech. And the fact that the D40 outsold the 350D by a big margin (during their common history, since the D40(x) was released) proves that point.

[chauncey]

You are waay to wise to be involved in this thread my friend.

[mattograph]

It sucks when facts get in the way of a good thread.

[cyrn]

Just as 5D is to 1Ds, do anyone think it's possible for Canon to intro a little brother of the 1D (1.3x) instead?

[Dragos Jianu]

Just as 5D is to 1Ds, do anyone think it's possible for Canon to intro a little brother of the 1D (1.3x) instead?

Traditionally that's the job of the xxD series . 40D

[herbe_nelson]

I think that he means a camera with 1.3x crop. This would be a great idea and a good compromise for not going FF.

A baby brother to the 1D with 1.3x crop and about 6-7fps with fast AF (but not quite the speed of the 1D), also some really great high ISO performance.

Sign me up!

Nelson

[Dragos Jianu]

It wouldn't have enough to compete with the 40D or the 7D. Especially without a viable ultra wide angle solution. the 1.3 is actually a bad compromise from my PoV. Neither horse nor mule so to say. I'm willing to bed the 1D3 will be the last 1.3 body we'll ever see. With the exception (maybe) of a 1D3N.

[Broncobear]

It wouldn't have enough to compete with the 40D or the 7D. Especially without a viable ultra wide angle solution. the 1.3 is actually a bad compromise from my PoV. Neither horse nor mule so to say. I'm willing to bed the 1D3 will be the last 1.3 body we'll ever see. With the exception (maybe) of a 1D3N.

I have to go agree with your way of thinking, this would be bad marketing.

[cyrn]

It wouldn't have enough to compete with the 40D or the 7D. Especially without a viable ultra wide angle solution. the 1.3 is actually a bad compromise from my PoV. Neither horse nor mule so to say. I'm willing to bed the 1D3 will be the last 1.3 body we'll ever see. With the exception (maybe) of a 1D3N.

1.3x is a wonderful balance between a FF quality and a 1.6x lens sweet spot and reasonable WA @ 18.2mm with a 14L or 15.6mm if you go 12mm.

I wish Canon will have a 14-24/2.8 equivalent on a 1.3x.

[bagtagsell]

I wish Canon will have a 14-24/2.8 equivalent on a 1.3x.


word

[cyrn]

word

:confused::confused::confused:

[danpass]

word
:confused::confused::confused:


lol


word = slang for 'yes, absolutely'



:mrgreen:

[cyrn]

I'm only thinking of Canon's possible DSLR lineup as..

Big Bro >> Smaller Sibling
1Ds >> 5D (Studio/Landscape) High rez, lower fps
1D >> 3D (1.3x)?? Low rez but high fps (sports/action)
40D >> 400D (General photography) Good enough for most situation

Juz guessing. :p:p

[cyrn]

lol


word = slang for 'yes, absolutely'



:mrgreen:


oic...

thanks.

[mattograph]

Well, the cats out of the bag. The new rebel looks pretty substantial, but thats all there is to see. sigh.

[danpass]

Well, the cats out of the bag. The new rebel looks pretty substantial, but thats all there is to see. sigh.


In dpreview they did point out "pre-PMA".


I wonder if more announcements are forthcoming next week.



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[cubano100pct]

Here is Canon Official into on the 450D and Rebel XSi.

450d
http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/eosdigital4/index.html

Rebel Xsi
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=16303

[mattograph]

In dpreview they did point out "pre-PMA".


I wonder if more announcements are forthcoming next week.



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I'm not holding my breath, unless there is a coming soon announcement, like they did on the new lens last fall. I guess they just really want me to buy a 5D!

[sboerup]

EOS 450D is 6MP full frame and EOS 450Ds is 8.6MP full frame - bye bye to EF-S mount.
For PMA Show 2008.

EOS-3D is 12.8MP full frame with 6 fps, new 60-point AF eclispe and DiG!C III, Live View w/AF, 3.0" OLED screen and more. Basically a "preview" of advanced technology to come and the 3D serves as the testbed, just as it did on the 5D (Picture Styles, low noise and 2.5-inch LCD). In time for Photokina 2008 in September.

Bak!

This is the truth here, insider information:

-Medium format, 645 format, 41mp
-16bit color
-digic 5 (advanced DR range, about 12 stops)
-new lenses, starting with 6 (35mm, 50, 80, 135, 180, 300)
-Compatible with EF lenses as a cropped format (18mp)
-3" OLED screen
-3fps
-802.11n compatible
-Looks similar to Mamiya 645
-$20k

Canon stresses the use of EF lenses to help people to continue to invest in the current EF line of lenses, but the new development will be jaw-dropping with their first introduction to MF lenses and cameras. Should be hearing about it end of year.

[herbe_nelson]

Bak!

This is the truth here, insider information:

-Medium format, 645 format, 41mp
-16bit color
-digic 5 (advanced DR range, about 12 stops)
-new lenses, starting with 6 (35mm, 50, 80, 135, 180, 300)
-Compatible with EF lenses as a cropped format (18mp)
-3" OLED screen
-3fps
-802.11n compatible
-Looks similar to Mamiya 645
-$20k

Canon stresses the use of EF lenses to help people to continue to invest in the current EF line of lenses, but the new development will be jaw-dropping with their first introduction to MF lenses and cameras. Should be hearing about it end of year.
insider info from who?

Another personalised Canon rep? ;)

Any word on release date? :)

Nelson