Why are my threads moved and who moved them?

[shesgotthepic]

Apparently two of my threads have been moved to general chat for no apparent reason. Nor have I been adviced why they were moved. And considering I see several similar threads to the my two, posted by others, have not been moved I feel slightly targeted.

I'd much appreciate it if the person who moved my threads would be kind enough to validate the reason for moving my threads and leaving other similar threads untouched.

[tommykjensen]

Which threads are you talking about. I assume they were moved because they were of a more general nature (but I don't know since it was not me that moved them and I don't know which threads you are talking about).

[Skip Souza]

If you posted discussion threads without images in a Photo Share forum then they will surely be moved.
I found two of you threads that had been moved to General Chat. While they seem appropriate to that forum I do not know from where they were moved.

[Pete]

Not guilty.

<this time>

[CyberDyneSystems]

FYI, we move far too many threads posted in the wrong forums in a given day to send private messages to all.
I'm sorry if this poses and inconvenience to some members, but it is truly unavoidable.

Take a good look at the forums structure again, and when posting new threads make sure you are posting in the correct forum.

[Jon]

I saw two of your threads which are recent and in General Chat. From the nature of your comments I infer you posted them in Performing Arts. However, there was no photo sharing in either; they should have been posted in one of the discussion forums, if not "General Chat", POTN Member Activities or Business of Photography for instance. We can't catch every misplaced thread although we do our best to put threads where they're more appropriate if they seem out of place.

[shesgotthepic]

I saw two of your threads which are recent and in General Chat. From the nature of your comments I infer you posted them in Performing Arts. However, there was no photo sharing in either; they should have been posted in one of the discussion forums, if not "General Chat", POTN Member Activities or Business of Photography for instance. We can't catch every misplaced thread although we do our best to put threads where they're more appropriate if they seem out of place.

If you had any idea how many threads are in there that do not have any photos you'd be surprised. Just about all of them are about shooting performance art or getting together with other photographers to shoot performance art.

Since the forums are niched to certain categories then my suggestion is that each photshare category should have a subforum for general chats which would group those with that interest togethr instead of spreading us out all over the place.

I won't post nature images in performing arts just as I wont post art in sports but I feel that discussing photo opportunities or recent endeavors should not be moved to general chat in the way the forum is now set up.

I wouldn't even have gone to the general forum if it wasn't for my threads being moved there. One with a shadow left in arts, the other moved without a trace.

So if you check those two threads you will see that they BOTH are about shooting art or being published. My reason for not posting a link to the published article was for the fact that it has my name in it and I want to keep my real name off the board and public domain for obvious reasons. Anyone who knows what I do for a living will understand that.

So, no I do not see a valid reason for moving those threads. Especially as many similar threads (including one started last year asking the same thing I just asked about CMW and did not include pictures) are not being moved.

[tommykjensen]

And since you still don't give us links to the threads you talk about I see no reason to consider moving them.

[shesgotthepic]

And since you still don't give us links to the threads you talk about I see no reason to consider moving them.

Here is one

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=435992

[shesgotthepic]

And since you still don't give us links to the threads you talk about I see no reason to consider moving them.

Here is the other

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=428870

[Cadwell]

Threads posted in the share photos sub-sections for purposes other than sharing photos will be moved to where ever is deemed most appropriate.

Not all threads are spotted and moved because, frankly, the moderators don't have time to read every single thread in every single sub forum. Just because there might be some other threads there without photos that haven't been spotted doesn't mean that your threads shouldn't be moved in much the same way as if you get pulled over for speeding in your car, saying "hey, that other guy was speeding too" isn't going to get you off without a speeding ticket.

You can help to make sure that we don't have to move your threads by posting them in the correct forum to start off with. The general rule is simple; unless you are "sharing photos" then you should not post a thread in one of the share photos sub-forums.

[shesgotthepic]

And to prove my point, here is a thread posted a year ago asking the same thing I did about Canadian Music Week and it was not moved (GHASP!)

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=286135

FYI - I even feel it's wrong to discuss my lens needs in the lens forum as my lens need is different from, say, someone shooting nature or portraits or products.

I've seen numerous discussions on gear in performing arts which does not include a photo. Just discussing gear.

It is a daily event that threads are being posted in photoshare without any photos and honestly, that is how real life work. It isn't as structured as this.

Having a general chat room isn't wrong but moving threads that has something to do with the category it is about is wrong. IMO that is (and I run forums as well)

[cosworth]

..moving threads that has something to do with the category it is about is wrong.

But the sub-forum in question is about photo sharing. If the thread doesn't have a photo in it for CC and a mod sees it, it will be moved.

[shesgotthepic]

You can help to make sure that we don't have to move your threads by posting them in the correct forum to start off with. The general rule is simple; unless you are "sharing photos" then you should not post a thread in one of the share photos sub-forums.

As I said in my post below yours, posts with no photo in photoshare is a daily event. Let me add that it happens multiple times per day and in just about every category I've popped my browser in to. Even in Glamour and Nude.

So if you want to stick to that rule you better get more moderators on board or they won't have time to keep a day job.

If you intend to have a rule enforce it 100% or not at all.

[cosworth]

Good moderators are hard to find. The good ones are already "employed" here. Do we need more mods cruising the forums moving stuff around or maybe we just need members to post better?

A little of both perhaps.

When in doubt - general chat.

[shesgotthepic]

But the sub-forum in question is about photo sharing. If the thread doesn't have a photo in it for CC and a mod sees it, it will be moved.

I know that Cosworth but as you also know a lot of threads are started and do not include a photo. It happens daily. And if I'm not mistaken you also take part in some of those threads, or at east have done.

I'm not raising this question for the reason of feeling targeted or discriminated. I'm raising this question for the reasons

a) if there is a rule make sure it is 100% enforced

b) moderators/owners of forums need to understand that forums are living entities and take on shape and moves in directions owner/moderators/creators didn't think of at first.

c) in real life a group of photographers meeting up in a bar will not just talk photography. Say they are niched at shooting cars they will most likely exchange car tips as well. They will probably discuss different lenses and shooting techniques that would be of ZERO interest to photographers with another interest and so on. They may even discuss the beer that is available in the bar. The common denominator is that they are car photographers.

See what I'm getting at?

[shesgotthepic]

When in doubt - general chat.


There is no doubt IMO that my thread on CMW has the same right to be in Performing Arts as The one started last year.

Or that my thread on being published has the same right to be there as all other threads on being published.

As I said - if you are to enforce a rule - do it 100% or not at all.

[Jon]

There is no doubt IMO that my thread on CMW has the same right to be in Performing Arts as The one started last year.

Or that my thread on being published has the same right to be there as all other threads on being published.

As I said - if you are to enforce a rule - do it 100% or not at all.So help, rather than hinder, us in enforcement. Report non-photo-share threads in photo share areas. We can't be everywhere. Cops can't be everywhere. Should speed limits be abolished because the police can't 100.00000% of the time enforce the laws? Red-light running? Bank robbery? We will continue to move threads we consider out of place as we find them, whether you may agree with our determination or not.

[shesgotthepic]

So help, rather than hinder, us in enforcement.

I would be delighted. Where do I send the invoice for my time spent doing that?

[tommykjensen]

And to prove my point, here is a thread posted a year ago asking the same thing I did about Canadian Music Week and it was not moved (GHASP!)


The only thing you have proved (if it is possible to prove something that we already know) is that it is impossible for 15 people to see every single thread posted.

As has been said. Instead of just continuing to complain about your threads being moved against your wishes then help us by reporting the threads that need to be moved.

[tommykjensen]

I would be delighted. Where do I send the invoice for my time spent doing that?

And were do we send our invoice to you for spending time discussing this with you?? We do NOT get paid here. We do this in our free time.

[joayne]

I would be delighted. Where do I send the invoice for my time spent doing that?

Why all the ire? This forum is a privilege not a right. The unpaid Mods do a fabulous job. I would suggest that you ENJOY the forum and do your part to keep the forum running smoothly...

[dburg30]

I would be delighted. Where do I send the invoice for my time spent doing that?

jeez, while cruising the forums, if you see one click the little triangle with the ! in it. In the lower left corner of the box with the user name in it. Just put 'no pics' as the reason being reported, and submit it. Now on the same note, dont go around reporting threads 'just because' make sure there is a reason for it.

I'm the co-founder of an online gaming guild, and I have to agree that sometimes modding or running a site like this is a thankless job. I can almost promise you that you werent targeted. But I also know that mods and admins do these boards because they generally enjoy them, and when someone makes such a huge deal out of such a small thing (mountain out of a molehill comes to mind) it takes a lot of the fun out of it.

I've read thru the rules and such briefly, and while I dont remember specifically, I'd bet somewhere there is a 'decisions of the mods or admins is final' type thing. Trust me, if you generally like the site and what it stands for, just chill out. If not, I know what we do on our gaming forums :lol: and it only takes a couple of clicks and we do it free of charge..

Thinking about it, if I would run across a thread in the photo sharing area, and I open the first post of it, and I dont see pics, I use the back button and move on. So actually IMO they are doing you a SERVICE by moving it where it might be 'read' from a forum that I'm sure a LOT of people just like to 'look at'.

[CyberDyneSystems]

a) if there is a rule make sure it is 100% enforced


A few problems with this theory;

as some have pointed out, we simply can't. This is not an unusual situation with rules. Laws and rules are broken every day. There existence never seems to mean 100% compliance, nor 100% enforcement.
One would think this was pretty basic knowledge.

2. As is often referenced in various cliche's, " the world is not B&W", too many shades of grey, and always room for exception.

For instance, I am considering applying an exception to the forum Rule found at the bottom of the page here;
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/rules.php
.. in all caps,.

[Col_M]

I'm sorry shesgotthepic but wind your neck in, you're in the wrong.
The moderators here are without doubt some of the fairest and eagle-eyed on the net but they can't be everywhere all the time, they have jobs and even sometimes need to go out shooting themselves :p I'm not a moderator myself as is obvious but I'd be quite offended by some of your comments in this thread if I was.

You got a thread or two moved, big deal, learn from your mistakes, move on and everything will be sunny :)

[CannedHeat]

I would be delighted. Where do I send the invoice for my time spent doing that?

Is equal treatment fair? If you agree, then I assume you will never post another question or request for help on potn, knowing that if you do so you will be invoiced and charged for all answers from users you receive. /Dan

[dburg30]

OR the admins / mods should send him an invoice for the cost of the software, the hosting, the time invested in creating the layout of the forums, the time to moderate and admin the site etc etc..

Sounds fair.. I know who would get more :)

[JohnnyG]

I'm sorry shesgotthepic but wind your neck in, you're in the wrong.
The moderators here are without doubt some of the fairest and eagle-eyed on the net but they can't be everywhere all the time, they have jobs and even sometimes need to go out shooting themselves :p I'm not a moderator myself as is obvious but I'd be quite offended by some of your comments in this thread if I was.

You got a thread or two moved, big deal, learn from your mistakes, move on and everything will be sunny :)
Well said and deserved in my opinion. I get real upset when I hear anyone put the moderators down in any way. They do a fantastic job and when I grow up, I want to be one too!

[CannedHeat]

Well said and deserved in my opinion. I get real upset when I hear anyone put the moderators down in any way. They do a fantastic job and when I grow up, I want to be one too!

Actually, at times I think the mods are somewhat overly fair. I run across stuff at times that causes me to think "wow, if I were a mod I would say something about that."

In addition to that, when, with justifiable reason, the do ask a user to edit something, they are polite and go waayyy out of their way to explain the reason for the request (when they didn't need to explain anything) and then ask the user to edit it (when they could have much more easily edited it without explanation.) /Dan

[cdifoto]

Threads like this make me glad I'm not a mod.

[dburg30]

Actually, at times I think the mods are somewhat overly fair. I run across stuff at times that causes me to think "wow, if I were a mod I would say something about that."

In addition to that, when, with justifiable reason, the do ask a user to edit something, they are polite and go waayyy out of their way to explain the reason for the request (when they didn't need to explain anything) and then ask the user to edit it (when they could have much more easily edited it without explanation.) /Dan

They do that, because if the offender doesnt 'get it' and goes all postal and stuff, it just makes an even BIGGER mess to clean up. So mods usually try to get the point across so they dont have to deal with more stuff in the aftermath :D

[shannyD]

stop fighting it so much. they moved it because it needed to be moved.

as cos said. we have great mods, and they run this place the best that they can, and for that we should be thankful POTN is even here, and not a mess like some other sites.

things get moved around. its just apart of life.

shannon

[flipstyle72]

Threads like this make me glad I'm not a mod.

lol...i've been a member, mod and/or admin for a few forums and THIS one is actually the most civil of them all. These mods have it easy with you guys, lol.

[CannedHeat]

They do that, because if the offender doesnt 'get it' and goes all postal and stuff, it just makes an even BIGGER mess to clean up.

What mess! All they have to do is press a button and they're gone! Poof!!

(Oops, wait a minute. If that were the case I would have been vaporized a long time ago.).

As Rosanne Rosadana used to say: Never Mind!

/Dan

[the_incubus]

lol...i've been a member, mod and/or admin for a few forums and THIS one is actually the most civil of them all. These mods have it easy with you guys, lol.

nah, its civil because of the work they do. Hell, i know im a handful. :p

[gymell]

I would be delighted. Where do I send the invoice for my time spent doing that?

Give me a break. :rolleyes: Your question was answered - your threads were moved because they didn't follow the guidelines for photo sharing forums. Those guidelines are clearly stated so if you don't like your threads being moved, try following the rules next time. The question of whether there should be separate sub forums for various topics has been discussed at length before. You pointed out that other threads don't get moved, and the mods have repeatedly said that they can't be everywhere all the time to do that.

Now you owe me $10 for spending the time to answer that for you. Where should I sent the invoice?

[belmondo]

Okay, the thread is locked. Apparently shegotthepic has said all she's going to on the subject, and we're just piling on now.

Thanks for all the favorable comments about the moderating. We're always happy to hear that people notice.