Just when you thought you'd heard it all...

[Tom W]

A new rumor, straight from DPReview....

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=26508665

I have no idea as to the truthfullness of this rumor. I'm just an observer.

[chauncey]

was that before or after his medication, might want to call the orderlies and restraints.

[anmoldagreat]

it makes sense
almost everyone is saying theres going to be a 7d or 3d type thing
im assuming that the 7d will be one step below the 5d and 3d one step above

but what do i know.

[sadatk]

I'm confused about the naming scheme with 7D/3D. Would 7D be the successor to the 5D and 3D be one step down from the 7D?

[Jim G]

Hah! Well, here's hoping something interesting comes of it. :p

[Ultimate CC]

interesting

[SilverHCIC]

... Hmmmmm,
Not quite successor to 5D, but beyond 40D. ... 40D seems to have most of the desired features except ...

FULL FRAME !!!!!

I dont care if they call it 5DMkII, 7D or godzilla ... If they come out with an updated FF, sign me up!!!;)

[Tom W]

I hope, but I have a high level of skepticism.

I do think of that statement by the Nikon executive last fall - "We're glad that that's all Canon's releasing..." Sounds to me like he knew that Canon had more up their sleeve, but were holding back.

Of course, this is still the rumor forum. :)

[SilverHCIC]

I hope, but I have a high level of skepticism.


:cry::cry::cry: ... But my 16-35L REALLLLLLY wants to park itself on a FF body.

[glowie]

It's going to be a digital rangefinder.

Nice!

[kensei]

not gonna go calling the guy crazy but i'll defanalty wait to see what happens, if canon brings out a decent priced full frame body at pma i'm gonna get it, ive always wanted a FF, A camera between a 40d and a 5d makes me think canon is taking the d300 seriously as a threat.

[BogongBreeze]

Sounds intriguing, and 'confirmed hints' from more than one poster as well. Wish it was a nice lens, but more likely to be a body. Must be a new dslr line...

[FlyingPhotog]

Please, oh please, oh please, oh please...

I wan't a second mid-range FF body to partner with my 5D. Deliver me from EF-S and lead me not into another crop temptation. I love my 20D (and will probably have it modded for IR) but I really want consistant image size and resolution from a two body setup!

[BugEyes]

Don't get your hopes up, this kind of speculation occurrs everytime Canon have had a product launch prior to PMA or Photokina.
They have never surprised in that way and they won't now either, though I would love to be wrong.

[Dragos Jianu]

The D300 really messed up Canon's polish. At 1800$ the D300 bests the 4500$ 1D3 in every respect except fps (8vs10 with battery grip). The blow was not that much in terms of specifications price. Kind of proved that Canon has been pulling our leg so to speak. The D300 proved that things such as weather sealing, 100% VF, professional AF and more can be had for a lot lot less than Canon's asking price.

I've been meaning to upgrade my good old 20D for some time now but looking over the fence, the 40D just doesn't quite cut it. The grass really is greener on the other side this time. :( The idea of having to wait another year for anything worth the money, even remotely similar in terms of bang/buck to the D300 is making me so angry. Even looking at the lil Pentax K200D ticks me off that it has weather sealing for just 700$ while Canon asks 4500-8000$ for those gaskets.

So far Canon based their marketing on IQ alone while everyone else has been working on features and value. Now that the competition finally has competitive IQ too Canon has a huge problem. Time to go back to the drawing board and recuperate on features and value.

We'll see what will happen. I'm sure they'll eventually make it. It's the prospect of another year of waiting that's killing us.

[JC4]

How would you make something better than the 40, but less than the 5? A full frame 40 pretty much supersedes the 5d doesn't it? Canon can't exactly smash a FF sensor in the 40d, can they? So it would have to be a different body all together(bigger VF...). The 5d market would be gone if there was a cheaper or same price FF 40d.

The only other angle I can think of is a non-pro body 1d. 45pt AF, on a 1.3x sensor, in a 40d package. But, that would probably cost more than the current 5d selling price.

I don't buy it. If something is released(I hope so), it will either succeed the 5d or create the new 3d line between 5 and 1.

[djeuch]

If Canon released a FF 40D equivalent.... say the exact same camera, but just FF (even "just" 10Mpixel) I'd be there! Seriously! Talk about a perfect two-body pair.

That'd be cool - a 40D and a 4D... put my 24-105 on the 4D and my 70-200 on the 40D! :D

[jhorsnel]

We'll see what will happen. I'm sure they'll eventually make it. It's the prospect of another year of waiting that's killing us.

Well said. Was so tempted by the 40d but it doesn't quite cut it as you said...

[Dragos Jianu]

How would you make something better than the 40, but less than the 5? A full frame 40 pretty much supersedes the 5d doesn't it? Canon can't exactly smash a FF sensor in the 40d, can they? So it would have to be a different body all together(bigger VF...). The 5d market would be gone if there was a cheaper or same price FF 40d.

The only other angle I can think of is a non-pro body 1d. 45pt AF, on a 1.3x sensor, in a 40d package. But, that would probably cost more than the current 5d selling price.

I don't buy it. If something is released(I hope so), it will either succeed the 5d or create the new 3d line between 5 and 1.

Think outside of the box. Canon's current setup sucks, with all the neat features packed in 4500-8000$ bodies only. The rest of the world has 3-4stops in-body IS, weather sealing in a 700$ body, professional 51 points AF in a 1800$ body, 100% VF in a 1800 body, 14MP in a 1300$ body, and the list goes on. Canon has to make some sacrifices to keep up. they're already KILLED the 17-85 IS lens when they've released the 18-55 3.5-5.6 IS, with much better optics for a hell of a lot less. Canon needs to undergo a revolution right now to keep up. They can afford it. The DSLR wars has begun with all the big names hitting (Nikon, Sony, Pentax, Olympus, Panasonic, Samsung). We'll see if Canon can keep up. In 3-4 years I've never seen such customer disappointment. Canon made the mistake of thinking they were alone, fighting a crippled Nikon, as they were in 2001-2003. They need to step up big time. IQ is no longer a big concern as it was back in 2001-2003 when we were talking about 3MP. Even a Rebel can handle awesome BIG prints. The marketing strategy needs to change.

[malcolmp]

I think that Canon has had to rethink it's strategy due to competition, but it takes time to get the engineering right. I think it did get complacent.

However, the 450D is a bit of a surprise. It is significant because there is a lot of technology in the low end now, and the entire range will have to be bumped up in features through this year.

I am waiting for a FF + ISO 6400 + improved AF etc. that we are all hoping for as the rumored "7D". Canon raised expectations with the 5D and haven't delivered the follow up, but I think they will because they have seen how quickly they can lose market share. I don't think they expected that people would churn their dSLRs so quickly! Not like film at all.

BTW the 17-55 2.8 IS is not going to be killed by the 18-55 3.5-5.6 IS. Let's not get hysterical...

[chauncey]

Canon is showing good business sense. Upper end DSLR's only account for 5% of their sales. What's in it for them to rush out with those new upgrades?

[cyrn]

Canon is showing good business sense. Upper end DSLR's only account for 5% of their sales. What's in it for them to rush out with those new upgrades?

Much higher profit margins.

[cyrn]

Anyway.. something to think about...

If Canon wants to regain market share in 08, would they intro a new model at the beginning or at the end of the year?

Now, not only they have to compete with Nikon which incidentally have yet to announce their budget model upgrade, but look at the offerings of the other DSLRs.. the K200D/K20D are just feature packed at very affordable prices.

[nicksan]

Some of you need to go work for Canon...
Can't wait to see some of the Franken-Camera's that would come out as a result...

Armchair CEO's...;-)

[Nice Glass]

Reading that guys previous posts doesn't lead me to believe he has any insider knowledge.

[JtheVGKing]

Think outside of the box...they're already KILLED the 17-85 IS lens when they've released the 18-55 3.5-5.6 IS, with much better optics for a hell of a lot less.

Looks like someone is thinking outside the sanity and on the crack :rolleyes:

[nicksan]

Looks like someone is thinking outside the sanity and on the crack :rolleyes:

Canon didn't get his memo...;)

[herbe_nelson]

Canon didn't get his memo...;)
lol

[cyrn]

Armchair CEO is the best job in the world.:D


Less the renumerations. :(

[Dragos Jianu]

Looks like someone is thinking outside the sanity and on the crack :rolleyes:
http://photozone.de/images/8Reviews/lenses/canon_1855_3556is/mtf.gifhttp://photozone.de/images/8Reviews/lenses/canon_1785_456_is/mtf.gif

[nicksan]

All those charts remind me of Ross Perot.:lol:

"Shoot it as your heart feels it, not as your eyes see it. View it as child, not as a technician" ;-)

[anmoldagreat]

are people really that tech crazy these days?
how much of a camera do you really need?

do you personally think you need all the features youre whining about?
in film days most people were extremely happy with pictures that came out of cameras which were half as feature happy as even the rebel series.
who cares about the camera body, the megapixels, the iso capabilities? the photographer.
the people who see the pictures are only seeing it as art. not as a technical document which shows off the chip inside your camera.
i can see how having a couple features you all speak of would be nice but still not close to neccessary.

and hell dont most people buy a camera for the lenses?
thats what i did. i liked canon's lens lineup thats why i chose canon when i got my first rebel. and thats why i stick with them today.

the 40d might even be more of a camera then i need but i dont think ill want to upgrade from it anytime soon. let alone "need" to before threatening to switch camps.

[SeanH]

Damn.....talk about the right bait to catch fish......LOL