XSi the reviews for teenagers

[antonello]

I am stunned by the shift of the target in terms of pure age of the reviews I read about this new camera.

letsgodigital reports press releases making difficult to understand what's editorial and what's marketing: what drives the editorial? the canon marketing department?.

For letsgodigital the camera comes from Canon USA Inc. (but it's made in Japan, as far as I know.. let me see again.. yes, it says "Inc." the Inc thing is the reference of the guy or girl who wrote the press release: people at letsgodigital: see the difference? come on.. ), and again for letsgodital it's evident the shift towards the pro (whatever it means) features included and then the choice of the SD cards as a clear "bridge" between the P&S segment and the entry level (not pro anymore). I believe that whoever wrote the press releases (at Canon's) didn't know how to arrange the contradiction better. And letsgodigital reports without even blinking.

then DPReview (from the name of the site one can expect a .. review?): well the site had the camera "in the studio" (what studio? is he a photographer now? LOL) and then the same press releases rearranged: not a word about the pictures.. I mean.. They had the camera and report on the "looks" only? How old is he? 12?

this is the new "teenager" cut of the reviewers.

now either they decide to go to work for real or give up and post the press releases without the "review" in the name of the business they do (for a living).

until then I'll keep laughing reading the "dressed" press releases passing for "editorial" work. like they are "photographers" with a studio and know how to write all by themselves. They don't. Forget about the review, but at least some decency.

[wickedik]

I'm guessing you are old(er)

dpreview has a "brief hands" on which goes into a little more depth than just "the looks" of the camera. BTW I'm sure he is older than 12 but if he isn't it really doesn't make a difference to me.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0801/08012404canoneos450dhandson.asp

I believe it is still too early to expect a full blown review of the camera. It's only been like a week since it was announced?

[wickedik]

me? I don't do the "reviewer" for a living, don't see what my age has to do with anything.
and those are the press releases rearranged.. believe me, I know..

Your age has nothing to do with anything, neither does the age of the reviewer. IMO that is...

[FZ1dave]

Hey the review guy is back! :lol:

[timnosenzo]

Typically DPReview.com won't report on image quality of pre-production cameras, and sometimes this is at the request of Canon. There is still things that can change from now until the consumers actually have the camera's in their hands.

[BogongBreeze]

AFAIK, in the US, Canon gear is distributed through Canon USA, Inc (as per their website), which also does its own marketing and post-sales service. Not familiar with letsgodigital but assume it's probably US based if it's quoting Canon US.

There is no formal review posted on dpreview yet, just a Canon press release, a brief 'hands on' and a chart showing differences - all posted as news releases. As Timnosenzo said, dpreview doesn't publish reviews of cameras until after they've hit the streets (and sometimes not then - it gives more weight to the consumer end of the market than the professional end).

Their testing is consistent and generally well-regarded for being independent and thorough. Though there may be debate about the relative merits of individual tests they conduct, it's probably about as good as you'll get for what it covers (which isn't absolutely everything, but about as far as you can go for comparing current models from different manufacturers, which is what dpreview is about).

[_aravena]

I got nothing from that. Are you 12? That's who the write up seems to be written by.

[CyberDyneSystems]

With no links it's hard to comment on what you are discussing here on the forum.

But, I don't think there are any actual reviews yet, it's only been announced and we would be looking at nothing more than press releases.

If there are actual reviews, please link us up.

But SOP for all -lace like this is until they have the ability to do a full review they regurgitate the press release info and little more. This is as I say SOP for most any news/review/magazine etc.

the caption in the DPR "hands on" relating to the SD card is wrong though.
It most certainly is not the first Canon DSLR to except SD cards, the MkII had this capability back in 2004.

[antonello]

With no links it's hard to comment on what you are discussing here on the forum.


the content of the press release is copyrighted. I can't link to it and I won't. The same way I don't like my work to be linked without my consent.

The point is this:
I do something for a living (say I take pictures for a living) and I deliver my work professionally (say a photo album or a collection for a brochure) : I don't cut and paste from another catalog! I produce my own work.

Now back to the professional reviews: what do they do? ... see what I mean?

only Imaging Resource wrote something original (still "reading" from the product pictures provided by canon). But at least IR was clear that they only had the marketing material from Canon! They don't "pretend" to have the camera and write their own stuff (that the others don't). The letsgodigital "piece" starts with the exact reproduction of the Canon USA press release (they-Canon- made a mistake calling the camera "Conon Inc.'s" and letsgodigital didn't even see it.. LOL
Again IR (Imaging Resource) when it comes to post a press release do post that the source is (indeed) a "press release". At least they are honest. They still don't produce a real editorial work in that case, but at least they don't pass it as their own .


The SD card thing is a clear marketing decision. The 1DII had it too, but to backup the CF, and that's different (very).

Again the reviewers didn't really comment on that. And the LCD is 230,000 pixels (it's clear on the canon's press release) but hard to find in the "reviews". I couldn't find that info at least...

like I said this looks to me the new "teenager" cut of the reviews


Teenager reviewer:
I don't really test anything (it's not important) what's important are the looks and stuff like the "cool" features and everything. Who cares about the pictures (in the teens' world)

that's more like it.

eheh


now the real meaning of my post:
the marketing people write the press releases to give "ideas" to the editors : they don't expect that all they do is to cut and paste the releases.. that's not what serious editors do.
But if you do that I'm pretty sure about the laughs that you get from the other editors.

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[Pank]

you can link to a press release.
its a press release, they WANT people to read it.

I believe this is the article you're talking about?
http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/18087/canon-eos-rebel-xsi/

[_aravena]

^In other words, you can't copy and paste it sign your name on it and make some money. Sounds like teenager logic is all up in here on more than one thing. *snaps fingers*

:rolleyes:

[antonello]

^In other words, you can't copy and paste it sign your name on it and make some money. Sounds like teenager logic is all up in here on more than one thing. *snaps fingers*

:rolleyes:

and that will be the exact opposite of the meaning of your work when your job is to "review".

[SlowBlink]

I can't understand anything in this thread so far. What does a link have to do with copyright?

[tsaraleksi]

It sounds to me like the OP doesn't understand the meaning of a pre-release press kit. (and has it out for reviews, apparently).

If you put content on the web, then there is nothing even remotely inappropriate about linking to that content. Why else would it be on the internet, labeled press release? Do you refuse to let other people look at a book or magazine you own? Do you refuse to look at them in the store? Perhaps the publisher has to personally invite you to read the work?

[_aravena]

Apparently he wants to rant about something and get some agreement on it 'cause his thinking is beyond genius and produce nothing for us to disagree or agree with.

[antonello]

Apparently he wants to rant about something and get some agreement on it 'cause his thinking is beyond genius and produce nothing for us to disagree or agree with.

I don't "rant", by definition. And I find that to be offensive (with no reason on your part, whatsoever). While I'll remember your remarks I am glad to notice that the press release is now on the canon usa website, under "news".

[Mikhaily]

I am stunned by the shift of the target in terms of pure age of the reviews I read about this new camera.

Um just to let you know.. what your reading on sites such as DPReview about the Canon XSi are NOT reviews. So you cant say they're reviews for teenagers\by teenagers or what ever it is your trying to say, because they're not reviews. Period.
DPReview obviously got a preproduction model to play around with and Canon, as most companies do on preproduction models, do not allow them to post pictures from the camera or any detailed information about it as it can change in the production model.
It's just meant to let the public see\read the new features offered by the camera and a "brief hands-on" experience withit. No where on the DPReview do they state that they have a review for the camera...

Thanks

[antonello]

Um just to let you know.. what your reading on sites such as DPReview about the Canon XSi are NOT reviews.


duh... DPReview doesn't write reviews? really?

I mean.. I kinda knew that already (had a strong feeling about the fact that they don't really test anything) but now you really gave me the light. If they don't review... what do they do? I mean .. really.. I'm asking

LOL


my strong feelings about this matter here:
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=426371


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[jonnythan]

They did have the camera in their studio for a brief hands-on.

See all the pictures they took of the camera that are copyright Digital Photography Review? Those aren't stock photos. The photos were obviously taken in a studio as well.

The camera is not released in the US and they apparently didn't have time for a full review, so they gave some of their impressions and repeated some of the press release.

What's the problem here? I don't get it. DPReview.com will obviously do a full review when they have a production unit in their hands. They haven't posted a review yet. They posted the "Canon EOS 450D / Rebel XSi brief hands-on." I don't see "review" anywhere on the page. They even say they'll publish a full "preview" in the near future along with a full review.

[Mikhaily]

duh... DPReview doesn't write reviews? really?

I mean.. I kinda knew that already (had a strong feeling about the fact that they don't really test anything) but now you really gave me the light. If they don't review... what do they do? I mean .. really.. I'm asking

LOL

If you read what I wrote instead of jumping to conclusions I did not state DPReview doesn't do reviews. I stated that what they have up at the moment isn't a full review. Its a preview, or in their words, "brief hands on".

Thanks

PS. and anyway ones they get a production version they'll have their usual long review up, and last time I checked those reviews weren't done by teenagers.

[antonello]

They did have the camera in their studio for a brief hands-on.

See all the pictures they took of the camera that are copyright Digital Photography Review? Those aren't stock photos. The photos were obviously taken in a studio as well.

The camera is not released in the US and they apparently didn't have time for a full review, so they gave some of their impressions and repeated some of the press release.

What's the problem here? I don't get it. DPReview.com will obviously do a full review when they have a production unit in their hands. They haven't posted a review yet. They posted the "Canon EOS 450D / Rebel XSi brief hands-on." I don't see "review" anywhere on the page. They even say they'll publish a full "preview" in the near future along with a full review.

no problem at all, Jonny.

it's for teenagers, that's all I'm saying.

now imagine a restaurant critic writing the menu of the restaurant he supposed to "review" instead of the real review. And imagine if he keeps doing it . after a while you're gonna believe that he's not a critic, really. He's something else... no?

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[Mikhaily]

no problem at all, Jonny.

it's for teenagers, that's all I'm saying.

now imagine a restaurant critic writing the menu of the restaurant he supposed to "review" instead of the real review. And imagine if he keeps doing it . after a while you're gonna believe that he's not a critic, really. He's something else... no?

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You are right in that they're for "teenagers" but you cannot forget that they put out probably the most detailed reviews on the net...

[FlyingPhotog]

There are reviews and then there are reviews. Wasn't this the biggest gripe about Pop Photo? That they basically just rubber stamped the qualities that the manufacturers already touted? Being "mouthpieces" for the makers may not be the best way to gain legions of hard core photographers, but it does sell ad space.

Money talks .. Reviewers are a dime a dozen.

[jonnythan]

no problem at all, Jonny.

it's for teenagers, that's all I'm saying.
Well, with all due respect, it's not all you're saying.

You're saying that the "reviews" are for teenagers. Ignoring the fact that you just said teenagers of all ages are incapable of understanding an in-depth review differently from marketing speak..

You singled out DPReview.com and said that their review is trash. Well, DPReview has not posted a review. They posted a "brief hands-on." You further accused them of not being photographers and not having a studio. The reality is that their "brief hands on" included some high quality studio shots of the camera in question.

The reality is that they did not publish a review, and stated clearly in their "brief hands-on" that a full preview and review are forthcoming.

now imagine a restaurant critic writing the menu of the restaurant he supposed to "review" instead of the real review. And imagine if he keeps doing it . after a while you're gonna believe that he's not a critic, really. He's something else... after all.

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You are directly accusing the DPReview staff of being hacks and liars, when this is absolutely and obviously not the case. Wait til they publish something actually called a review before you blast them for being unprofessional hacks.

[timnosenzo]

This is hands-down the most confusing thread I've read today.

Do you just have an ax to grind with review sites?

What's with the teenager comments? Are you reading reviews on MySpace.com or something?

Are you upset because no one has done an in depth review of this camera yet? If so, why would you care anyway if, according to your other post you linked to, you don't believe they really review cameras anyway?

:confused:

[Paul Tinworth]

I do love how you seem to think that brief editorial previews equate to the lowest common denominator, which in turn you seem to think equates to a particular age group. :)

Back in your box, please.

[OdiN1701]

I used to do reviews for computer hardware for a website. We would put up press releases all the time when companies send them to us - it informs the readers about an upcoming product, and it also gives the company a little publicity, and in return they are more likely to send out a sample to test so we could have an article done up on it.

I'm not really sure what your problem is. Just wait for full reviews before you start judging places. And press releases are definitely not copyright - you can send them and link them and post them all you want - it's free advertising for the company and I'm positive they don't mind.

[cdifoto]

OP has a history. I suggest people on this forum look it up before feeding the troll.

[jonnythan]

OP has a history. I suggest people on this forum look it up before feeding the troll.

Ah, my bad. I should have looked, especially with the relatively low post count. Whoops.

I suggest the OP start his own digital camera review page if he can do it so much better :)

[Menelaus]

The OP's logic made my mind vomit =P

[lakiluno]

The only person I think is anywhere close to seeming like a 12 year old on this thread is the OP. For someone who lives in an English speaking country, their posts are consistently hard to read, lacking punctuation, capitalisation and proper grammatical structure. While online forums are certainly not places your writing needs to be perfect, I have to say I have seen pre-teens write better than the OP!

And as for reviews, the camera was announced a few days ago. It has not been out long enough for reviews. The guys at DPReview probably are photographers (surely you have to be to adequately test cameras). LetsGoDigital never seems to have anything but press releases on their site. The hands on with the 450D may have been at a trade show (where often you're not allowed to use your own memory cards), or as has been said before, may of been under the condition that pictures wouldn't be published because it was a pre-production model.

/me returns to his normal gelatinous state of browsing