Is it just me or....

[Mthorpe_Davies]

am I just imagining it. I had a play with the 20D in a shop today, they also had a 10D in stock, in my opinion the 10D looks like it's better built. I appears more solid and the construction looks and feels sturdier, like a mini 1d. The grip felt better on the 10, I couldn't get a good grip on the 20 without the battery grip attached. I don't have large hands either.

Have others thought the same. I'm not comparing the picture quality (the 20D should be better) just it's feel and build.

[Belmondo]

No, it's not just you. It is smaller and lighter, and I think most people with average or larger sized hands will find the handling awkward without the grip. That aside, the quality feels and looks pretty much the same to me. On the other hand, I sold both my 10Ds before I got the 20D, so I was not able to make a side-by-side comparison.

[Nic]

It's like comparing a Volkswagen to a BMW - the 20D is a much better camera in all respects.

Do'nt listen to all the moans and groans about the 20D - thousands of satified owners are all too happy with the camera - why do you think are so many 20D's being sold??

[shiningstardv]

am I just imagining it. I had a play with the 20D in a shop today, they also had a 10D in stock, in my opinion the 10D looks like it's better built. I appears more solid and the construction looks and feels sturdier, like a mini 1d. The grip felt better on the 10, I couldn't get a good grip on the 20 without the battery grip attached. I don't have large hands either.

Have others thought the same. I'm not comparing the picture quality (the 20D should be better) just it's feel and build.

Yeah I agree with you. Just from the pictures I see online and from what I can remember when I tried out the 10D, the 10D does seem to be better/more comfortably built. However, the 20D is better in every other aspect, so a 20D I shall buy!

[Aylwin]

Well, I wouldn't quite put it as VW vs. BMW. How about a 90's BMW compared to a more recent model? :wink:

This reminds me, I should head down to the local camera shop now to see if my 20D's arrived yet. :)

[shiningstardv]

Here is a good link (http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canoneos20d/page4.asp) for comparing the 20D to the 10D. Yes, its on "that other site," but these pictures actually do a good job. Scroll about half way down the page and you will see two pictures of the 20D (front and back) and when you place your mouse over them, it changes into the 10D, allowing you to see the exact size and shape differances between the two cameras.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Much as I love my 20D I agree that it does not have as substantial a feel as the 10D has.

In fact,. upon opening the 20D box and handling it for the first time it was about 2 minutes before I set it down and rummaged through my bag to pick up the 10D and see just HOW much less substantial the 20D really was.

It was odd.. as side by side they didn't seem soooo different.. but when I just have the 20D in hand.. my "memory" of the 10D seems to exagerate it's additional "gusto".

[CoolToolGuy]

Those of us that went from a Drebel to the 20D see it a different way - the 20D is definitely a step up from the Drebel.

The feel, the mirror slap, I could go on...

I'll be keeping the Drebel, but there is no question which one has a nicer feel.

Have Fun,

[perfectpixel]

I agree completely.
Capabilities aside, the 20D seems to lean more towards the "-sumer" side of the prosumer in looks/feel.
All the more reason to save up for a MkII
hey, maybe that's what those marketing devils were thinking :twisted:

[timmyquest]

Much as I love my 20D I agree that it does not have as substantial a feel as the 10D has.

In fact,. upon opening the 20D box and handling it for the first time it was about 2 minutes before I set it down and rummaged through my bag to pick up the 10D and see just HOW much less substantial the 20D really was.

It was odd... as side by side they didn't seem soooo different.. But when I just have the 20D in hand... my "memory" of the 10D seems to exaggerate it's additional "gusto".

I think it's just one of those things that you just get use to.

Kind of like a bike, i remember when i was younger and i got on a friends bike i couldn’t ride it for crap, it just had a different feel to it because i was use to mine, and of course mine was a better feel :lol: .

When I got my rebel 2000 and that dreadful 70-300 i thought that thing was mammoth. Then I got my digital rebel and i thought the thing was mammoth, then i got the battery grip and I thought that thing was mammoth, then i stopped using my 70-300 because i got a 70-200 and I thought that thing was mammoth, then i got a 1 series digital body and well...I still think it's mammoth.

Every time I went BACK though, i had a hard time getting use to it. I'm not sure i could ever pick up a digital rebel and feel the same way about it.

Heck, when I put my plastic 50mm lens on my rebel 2000 I feel like its too small.

In conclusion...I think it's just a personal feeling that at times may get over rated. But I think that it is very hard to ever go back to something smaller once you’ve gotten use to something bigger.

I’m not entirely sure why Canon decided to make the 20D smaller, I thought the size of the 10D was perfect. Perhaps they wanted all the soccer moms who owned a 300D to upgrade to a camera that wasn’t too big for their tastes. I dunno…

[Belmondo]

I’m not entirely sure why Canon decided to make the 20D smaller, I thought the size of the 10D was perfect. Perhaps they wanted all the soccer moms who owned a 300D to upgrade to a camera that wasn’t too big for their tastes. I dunno…

Could it be they're trying to 'nudge' us in the direction of smaller camera systems? Do the letters "EF-S" possibly have any greater significance to us now?

Hmmmmm. (stroking chin) :roll:

[roanjohn]

I've held a 10D before and I thought it was too big and too heavy........so the 20D being lighter and smaller was a good thing for me.

..............this mentality has kept me from lusting for those 1 series bodies, and it WORKS!!!................

Ro1

[timmyquest]

I’m not entirely sure why Canon decided to make the 20D smaller, I thought the size of the 10D was perfect. Perhaps they wanted all the soccer moms who owned a 300D to upgrade to a camera that wasn’t too big for their tastes. I dunno…

Could it be they're trying to 'nudge' us in the direction of smaller camera systems? Do the letters "EF-S" possibly have any greater significance to us now?

Hmmmmm. (stroking chin) :roll:

I'm not so sure i could go back to a 1.6 crop factor...*shiver*

PS Unless they could somehow make the viewfinder larger without distorting the actual image (in the viewfinder).

[Nic]

I doubt it very much - I think Canon's ultimate goal would be to develop a full frame 16.7 MPx camera with the weight of a 20 D and the speed of a MkII.

Just think of it!!!!

[Persian-Rice]

I had the pleasure of handeling one last week.
They are not built poorly at all, prettgy mucht he same, it just feel small, which could also give the perception of it being weak. It almost felt like one of them tiny P&S's but other then that I think it was well built.

BTW, for people who tried to turn this into a 10D vs 20D deal, I sure he didnt say it was a better camera, but I do agree the 10D feels slightly more rugged and strong, which in reality I am sure they are equals.

[Mthorpe_Davies]

I’m not entirely sure why Canon decided to make the 20D smaller, I thought the size of the 10D was perfect. Perhaps they wanted all the soccer moms who owned a 300D to upgrade to a camera that wasn’t too big for their tastes. I dunno…

Could it be they're trying to 'nudge' us in the direction of smaller camera systems? Do the letters "EF-S" possibly have any greater significance to us now?

Hmmmmm. (stroking chin) :roll:

I'm not so sure i could go back to a 1.6 crop factor...*shiver*

PS Unless they could somehow make the viewfinder larger without distorting the actual image (in the viewfinder).

I understand this can be done and from all that I have read so far the KM D7 has a larger, brighter, viewfinder than the 20D, it's also a 1.6 crop factor camera.

And as persian said I wasn't meaning to turn this into a flame war, all I though was that the 10D appears to be a more substantial and better built camera. I was not taking imaging ability into account.

[drisley]

I would agree that the 10D is more substantial, but not that it is better built.
10D is bigger and heavier, the 20D is smaller and lighter. Both are equally well built imho.
The buttons are laid out better on the 20D imho, but I really like the notched grip on the 10D (why did they remove/ the notch on the 20D grip for the top finger)

[Aylwin]

Just got my 20D half an hour ago! :D

Visually, I think I prefer the 10D. I looks slightly bigger and meatier. Also, the 20D has a few more screws visible which I don't like. In the hand (without lens), the 10D feels bigger and is noticeably heavier. In this regard, I prefer the 20D. I have small hands and appreciate the lighter weight. Anyway, with a lens on I'm sure it'll feel "right" again.

[wendsong]

I just got my EOS20D home, too. I got it because of the lighter weight. I was glad when Canon came out with it. I am used to a Power Shot G5, so this one is plenty heavy for me. :D