Kiwi - GKPE - General Ramblings (4)

[weka2000]

we already HAVE those threads...

Hey for linking ...........:rolleyes:

At least I grab the bull by the horns :p

[scotttnz]

dont you start! no more devil's advocate!



that was hdr? didnt even realise - which is a good thing

Yeah, but if you look at it at a reasonable size it looks like ......ummmm......something really bad!

[S-S]

Hey for linking ...........:rolleyes:
there u go

we already HAVE those threads...
stop overcomplicating things, 3 gkpe threads is plenty to be keeping track of

events (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=430636)

challenges (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=213944)

[weka2000]

Yeah but scott that was with a 350 wasnt it :rolleyes:

[theflyingkiwi]

Well, how are you all getting along in the new digs? I'll bet you're finding that life isn't all bad in 'General Chat.'

Incidentally, I'm going to share a little known bit of trivial with you. As a brand-new POTN moderator a couple years ago, the first member to tell me to go do something to myself was a Kiwi. Unfortunately I was unequipped to comply with his wishes.:o I've had special affection for you guys ever since.

and just out of interest who was it? :)

[S-S]

peter u didnt comment ur last 2 quotes...

[S-S]

Yeah but scott that was with a 350 wasnt it :rolleyes:

you shuttup about the 350 :rolleyes:

[::John::]

Well, how are you all getting along in the new digs? I'll bet you're finding that life isn't all bad in 'General Chat.'

Incidentally, I'm going to share a little known bit of trivial with you. As a brand-new POTN moderator a couple years ago, the first member to tell me to go do something to myself was a Kiwi. Unfortunately I was unequipped to comply with his wishes.:o I've had special affection for you guys ever since.

Well, it's a bit feral - anyone can just drop in :lol:

Obviously, if the kiwi told you something you were unequipped to do, you must have been enjoying the foreplay of kiwi chatter... 'tis always a fine line between humour and insult and you appear to have learned from the experience ;)


Scott - that is a great shot - and well placed ;) Tony - see? - HDR CAN work...


ROFLMAO

[scotttnz]

Yeah but scott that was with a 350 wasnt it :rolleyes:

Yes. That was taken a bit over a year ago.

[Mark Vuleta]

Evening all

Re batteries, if people want some, PM me with model & quantity & I will place an order on say Monday night. I've done some reading on the supplier & they appear to be very good quality.

Dave, if your about, have done a little bit more thinking re-nodal point: Point physically cannot be at the front element, must be somewhere between front element & sensor/film.

Re the pano head, with your twin pivot point, as long as the lens centre line is positioned correctly above the vertical axis and the nodal point was positioned on the same axis, it is set up correctly for both horizontal & vertical movement.

My one is a single pivot only with no provision for vertical panning. However, it would be extremely easy to fabricate one that was very strong and accurate, getting it as low in weight as possible is the hard part. Light is not necessarily best.

So, I might modify mine to provide the twin pivot points, utilize the index plate but do away with the 3 leveling wheels (just another area to give movement). Do the leveling via the tripod legs as suggested. (Edit: when I get around to it)

With the right machinery, it would only be half a days work in a machine shop.

One more point Dave: Never sell your gear, put it away becasuse at some stage you'll regret selling it.

[weka2000]

One more point Dave: Never sell your gear, put it away becasuse at some stage you'll regret selling it.

So it can collect dust and devalue over time
Hey Dave you take Q-Card :lol:

[scotttnz]

Scott - that is a great shot - and well placed ;) Tony - see? - HDR CAN work...


ROFLMAO

Thanks. It's funny how you can dismiss a shot, and then a year later look at it again and think "if I did <insert post processing technique here> to it might work"

[weka2000]

Thanks. It's funny how you can dismiss a shot, and then a year later look at it again and think "if I did <insert post processing technique here> to it might work"


Thats why I never delete photos ................ ONE DAY I WILL :lol:

I never said HDR dosnt work, you must have me mixed up with my other argumentive friend Dave

[S-S]

ROFLMAO

hey john, hows things

[Mark Vuleta]

So it can collect dust and devalue over time

Daves quality gear wont devalue very much: you should be a negotiator:lol:

[::John::]

Thanks. It's funny how you can dismiss a shot, and then a year later look at it again and think "if I did <insert post processing technique here> to it might work"

very true - and our own PP experience seems to change with time so our efforts in later years may actually bring way more out of a picture than we can currently see.

It's a conspiracy - to sell more storage disk :lol:

[weka2000]

Daves quality gear wont devalue very much: you should be a negotiator:lol:

Yeh .....I shoot hostages and terriosts saves paper work

[low orbit]

Shane, from the other thread re posting images... i'll et some up ina few days, 1: Once I have Broadband on and 2: Once I go through and process some.

I worked on one from the abandoned house that came up well but it doesn't shrink down well, it loses all effect in my opinion. Might post a small one and then a link to the large image or something. LOL feel like a cripple without my adsl, pathetic aye.

Harden up. I posted both of mine on crippled "broadband" ;)

[::John::]

hey john, hows things

Hey double S - not bad - not good (if you have been following the trials and tribulations of my 'new' 4WD)

'bout normal really :lol:

[forsaken]

nothing quite like victory burnouts.

http://www.devolve.co.nz/gallery2/g2data/albums/2008_manfield_d1nz/IMG_6094.jpg

and people wonder why my camer is always covered in rubber and dust

[scotttnz]

Daves quality gear wont devalue very much: you should be a negotiator:lol:

The bodies will devalue, the lenses not so much.

[scotttnz]

Yeh .....I shoot hostages and terriosts saves paper work

And how does having pictures of them save paperwork? :rolleyes:

[weka2000]

The bodies will devalue, the lenses not so much.

Should see the depreciation on Manfrotto stuff, might as well just give it away :lol:

[joeseph]

Interesting to see how many new people have discovered this thread since it's been reincarnated in a different sub-forum...
wasn't there a trail of breadcrumbs left on the old thread?

Photo time:
Is that still allowed in General chat?
sure, what's the white blobby bit in the middle? apart from that looks great.

What about Minis and Maxies meets?
are you talking about outfits or transportation?

One more point Dave: Never sell your gear, put it away becasuse at some stage you'll regret selling it.
dave - listen to this man, he speaks sensible.

So it can collect dust and devalue over time

devaluation of equipment re-purchased isn't tax deductable. You've said yourself that good glass doesn't devalue a lot. For the amount of time involved Vs. the cost of re-purchasing I think we all know what the answer should be (keep gear, use later...)

[forsaken]

And how does having pictures of them save paperwork? :rolleyes:


they are digital and he doesn't print them :)

[S-S]

tony your links need editing: heres the one that should be for 'photo critique'

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=348867

it has some extra code on the end right now

[scotttnz]

sure, what's the white blobby bit in the middle? apart from that looks great.

Hay bales wrapped in plastic. They are a little blowen out, I admit.

[weka2000]

Dave you either do photography or you dont. Keep it or sell it. Otherwise you will be up and down like yoyo. Make a stand.

Should I, shouldnt I, Should I shouldnt I :rolleyes:

[Wazza]

Hi Everyone, I'm in Auckland, feeling quite refreshed to be honest.

Missed my connecting flight from Syd to AKL, as the BA flight from Bangkok was 2 hours late :( - ended up sitting around in Sydney this morning for a few extra hours.

Now I'm home, bought my dad a PS3 for his 50th couple weeks ago.

Now... SHOOTS!
I'm up for anything if I'm free.
Starting tomorrow possibly?

[S-S]

wow tony - isnt that the exact thing ppl kept saying to you about your decisions and plans last year? did you listen to any of them? :p

[weka2000]

Scott heres an idea. Why dont we have a Photoshop night. We could use a couple of laptops, pizza some drink (cookies and milk for SS) and looks at Post processing

[Mark Vuleta]

Gidday Warren: Hows the jet lag?

When are you going to Napier?

[akiwi]

peter u didnt comment ur last 2 quotes...
Did did did.. but after u looked

Evening all

Re batteries, if people want some, PM me with model & quantity & I.......
But the Model should leave her clothes on as Brent wants it that way. Maybe with long coats etc.;)

[forsaken]

sounds like a good idea. Does anyone actually know how to use photoshop properly?

[weka2000]

wow - isnt that the exact thing ppl kept saying to you about your decisions and plans last year? did you listen to any of them? :p

Bit like you with your lens buying 24-105 oh wait 70-200IS wonder if they will refund :p

[S-S]

sounds like a good idea. Does anyone actually know how to use photoshop properly?

me. (some might disagree but i dont care LOL)

Bit like you with your lens buying 24-105 oh wait 70-200IS wonder if they will refund :p

not really at all... since i made my mind up in a matter of days... :rolleyes:
i was temporarily under the impression the 70-200 was almost $1000 cheaper than it actually was...that made the decision for me

[Mark Vuleta]

Crickets going well

[naqs]

sounds like a good idea. Does anyone actually know how to use photoshop properly?

Thats what I was going to ask :lol:

[S-S]

Scott heres an idea. Why dont we have a Photoshop night. We could use a couple of laptops, pizza some drink (cookies and milk for SS) and looks at Post processing

i like pizza... and i dont eat cookies & milk

[weka2000]

sounds like a good idea. Does anyone actually know how to use photoshop properly?

SS does shes been using it to process her photos from her first camera when she was 3 (sorry SS in stiring mood)

Seriously SS does if WendyC is watching how about the guy you work with. I have books but im at about 3/10 scale. Who else

[forsaken]

cookies and cream icecream? :)

[S-S]

(sorry SS in stiring mood)

then youve lost your edge... who apologises for their hassle before theyve even posted it? :rolleyes:

im no tutor though, i get frustrated too easily LOL
also, i know how to use it properly but that doesnt mean i know everything about it

[akiwi]

wow tony - isnt that the exact thing ppl kept saying to you about your decisions and plans last year? did you listen to any of them? :p
He is only after the pano head and tripod!.... Just ignore him Dave!

Hi Everyone, I'm in Auckland, feeling quite refreshed to be honest.

Missed my connecting flight from Syd to AKL, as the BA flight from Bangkok was 2 hours late :( - ended up sitting around in Sydney this morning for a few extra hours.

Now I'm home, bought my dad a PS3 for his 50th couple weeks ago.

Now... SHOOTS!
I'm up for anything if I'm free.
Starting tomorrow possibly?
Hi and welcome back to NZ. Leaves me to be the sole European correspondent.

... And reporting from Munich .... Peter Hansen ... on GKPE News!

[weka2000]

then youve lost your edge... who apologises for their hassle before theyve even posted it? :rolleyes:
A nice guy :p

Peter I have reverse physcology plan to get Dave back into photography but dont tell him.

[::John::]

A nice guy :p

you owe me a keyboard

[S-S]

you owe me a keyboard

did you laugh your coffee into it? :lol:

[weka2000]

you owe me a keyboard

You got off cheap I have a whole laptop covered in bull :lol:

[naqs]

Hi Everyone, I'm in Auckland, feeling quite refreshed to be honest.

Missed my connecting flight from Syd to AKL, as the BA flight from Bangkok was 2 hours late :( - ended up sitting around in Sydney this morning for a few extra hours.

Now I'm home, bought my dad a PS3 for his 50th couple weeks ago.

Now... SHOOTS!
I'm up for anything if I'm free.
Starting tomorrow possibly?

Ok I'm free Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday at this stage. Oh and I should mention that is evening/night except the weekend I'm free all day :D

[S-S]

warren you should post any shooting plans you might want gkpe ppl to join in, in the events thread in tony's sig, otherwise they might get missed by ppl who dont read back

[Wazza]

Gidday Warren: Hows the jet lag?

When are you going to Napier?

Hey mate,
Dizzy, but all the burdens I've had recently have suddenly gone. ANd that English pastey white skin has gone :p

Heading to Napier Friday lunchtime. Would rather be around Auckland
*yawn* - ah there's the jetlag

He is only after the pano head and tripod!.... Just ignore him Dave!


Hi and welcome back to NZ. Leaves me to be the sole European correspondent.

... And reporting from Munich .... Peter Hansen ... on GKPE News!

Thanks Peter, only for a few days :p

[Mark Vuleta]

Heading to Napier Friday lunchtime. Would rather be around Auckland

Have you got your lens & transport organised, the wife is going to Dunedin for 5 days or so, if you need, there is a spare vehicle. (and I've got your book for you & signature required on my copy:rolleyes:)

[joeseph]

Hay bales wrapped in plastic. They are a little blowen out, I admit.
Must be my eyesight - thought it was a small building.

Hi Everyone, I'm in Auckland, feeling quite refreshed to be honest.Now... SHOOTS!
I'm up for anything if I'm free.
Starting tomorrow possibly?
well Hi there.
certainly wednesday looks better from a weather perspective: http://www.metvuw.com/forecast/forecast.php?type=rain&region=nzni&noofdays=3

Scott heres an idea. Why dont we have a Photoshop night. We could use a couple of laptops, pizza some drink (cookies and milk for SS) and looks at Post processing
sounds great - would your work establishment consider hosting such an event?

A nice guy :p

Peter I have reverse physcology plan to get Dave back into photography but dont tell him.
stuff the psycobabble - go direct.

[::John::]

did you laugh your coffee into it? :lol:

At least it was coffee... :rolleyes: (see below)

You got off cheap I have a whole laptop covered in bull :lol:


Mate, you gotta deal with it, you created it... ;)









j/k

[weka2000]

sounds great - would your work establishment consider hosting such an event?.

Yes but the PC's dont have Photoshop. Or I could bring a data projector home for a weekend.

[manipula]

Dave, if your about, have done a little bit more thinking re-nodal point: Point physically cannot be at the front element, must be somewhere between front element & sensor/film.

Re the pano head, with your twin pivot point, as long as the lens centre line is positioned correctly above the vertical axis and the nodal point was positioned on the same axis, it is set up correctly for both horizontal & vertical movement.

My one is a single pivot only with no provision for vertical panning. However, it would be extremely easy to fabricate one that was very strong and accurate, getting it as low in weight as possible is the hard part. Light is not necessarily best.

So, I might modify mine to provide the twin pivot points, utilize the index plate but do away with the 3 leveling wheels (just another area to give movement). Do the leveling via the tripod legs as suggested. (Edit: when I get around to it)

With the right machinery, it would only be half a days work in a machine shop.

One more point Dave: Never sell your gear, put it away becasuse at some stage you'll regret selling it.

To be honest I went through all the setting up stages using near and far items and moving the head through its axis etc, went with what Manfrotto's paperwork says about being central to the front element and it worked, so I've never dug any further. As I illuded to the other night the main thing with these heads is not necessarily complete accuracy to the nodal point (but close) but the fact that all the images are really bloody accurate to eachother.

Regarding the machine shop stuff, both myself and my dad looked at the Manfrotto one and figured we couldn't make one in a machine shop for the money I paid for it. Materials plus our hourly rate equaled roughly the same. Obviously they make them on a production line so...

Should point out I worked in a toolroom and R&D engineering for five years, and my dad has been a toolmaker for the last 35.

So it can collect dust and devalue over time
Hey Dave you take Q-Card :lol:

I should point out I mentioned to Bob your musings about my gear, she wasn't that impressed! ;)

Thats why I never delete photos ................ ONE DAY I WILL :lol:

I never said HDR dosnt work, you must have me mixed up with my other argumentive friend Dave

Yup that's me, argumentative to the last, and hate 99% of HDR's.

Daves quality gear wont devalue very much: you should be a negotiator:lol:

S**t stirrer more like. :p

Should see the depreciation on Manfrotto stuff, might as well just give it away :lol:

I did lol at that one...

Dave you either do photography or you dont. Keep it or sell it. Otherwise you will be up and down like yoyo. Make a stand.

Should I, shouldnt I, Should I shouldnt I :rolleyes:

It's not so much of a case of should I shouldn't I, but a case of feeling as though I'm obliged as it's been so much a part of who I am, but really not wanting to.

sounds like a good idea. Does anyone actually know how to use photoshop properly?

Exactly, does anyone? Such a huge package.

Peter I have reverse physcology plan to get Dave back into photography but dont tell him.

And posting about it publicly makes sense then? :p

[weka2000]

Yup that's me, argumentative to the last, and hate 99% of HDR's.

Heck we might be twins :cool:

[S-S]

Yup that's me, argumentative to the last, and hate 99% of HDR's.

i thought that was me... :rolleyes:

[Mark Vuleta]

Regarding the machine shop stuff, both myself and my dad looked at the Manfrotto one and figured we couldn't make one in a machine shop for the money I paid for it. Materials plus our hourly rate equaled roughly the same. Obviously they make them on a production line so...

Yep, my design would be crude compaired to something like the Manfrotto but would be strong and not eactly light but simple to make & effective. No need to the finesse stuff like the pro stuff.

I might do some drawings & get someone to price it for me, be an interesting exercise.

[weka2000]

i thought that was me... :rolleyes:
Lets be honest sounds like 99% of GKPE (bar the HDR)

[Mark Vuleta]

Heck we might be twins :cool:

i thought that was me... :rolleyes:

You & Tony twins, I dont think so>>>>>>>>>>:rolleyes:

[S-S]

You & Tony twins, I dont think so>>>>>>>>>>:rolleyes:

i think the quote was DAVE & tony twins... :confused:

but thanks for the support ;-)

[joeseph]

Yes but the PC's dont have Photoshop. Or I could bring a data projector home for a weekend.
I was thinking more of the space...

Should point out I worked in a toolroom and R&D engineering for five years, and my dad has been a toolmaker for the last 35.
then you the ideal person to design the heads - suspect some of these plasticky ones are designed for disposable cameras, not real life slr's.
Come up with something - I have an arcwelder.

[Wazza]

warren you should post any shooting plans you might want gkpe ppl to join in, in the events thread in tony's sig, otherwise they might get missed by ppl who dont read back

Hey :)
Shooting plans will likely be last minute, based on weather - forgot it's Auckland how unpredictable weather can be :lol:

I'd be keen for something tomorrow night to get me started though!

Have you got your lens & transport organised, the wife is going to Dunedin for 5 days or so, if you need, there is a spare vehicle. (and I've got your book for you & signature required on my copy:rolleyes:)

Ahh so you still have a book - I wasn't so sure, as I hadn't heard anything back about it. But that's fine.. How much do I owe? :lol:

I've got a ride down now thanks - cousin is going down
As for lens, now have a brand new Sigma 12-24 (less than 10 shots taken) to offer for a trade for a weekend for a 70-200ish range.
I think I can make do with just the 24-105, on 1D and 50 1.4 on the 20D.

Must be my eyesight - thought it was a small building.


well Hi there.
certainly wednesday looks better from a weather perspective: http://www.metvuw.com/forecast/forecast.php?type=rain&region=nzni&noofdays=3


sounds great - would your work establishment consider hosting such an event?


stuff the psycobabble - go direct.
Thanks for the weather forecast.

Wednesday? Tomorrow? Yeah I'll be definitely out somewhere. Once I'm over the jetlag I'll also get down to Westhaven Marina and towards Orakei wharf for sunrise

[forsaken]

wow. Jus t finished watching the black caps openers tear apart the Pommy bowling line up
165 / 0 :)

[joeseph]

wow. Jus t finished watching the black caps openers tear apart the Pommy bowling line up
165 / 0 :)
good lord, when did we start having openers? they were all tail-enders last time we checked...

[forsaken]

good lord, when did we start having openers? they were all tail-enders last time we checked...

I know I was stunned myself, and all that after parore said there was no room in cricket for fat bastards, Ryder sure showed him :)

[Mark Vuleta]

Ahh so you still have a book - I wasn't so sure, as I hadn't heard anything back about it. But that's fine.. How much do I owe? :lol:

Yep, I said I would hold one for you, just need your scratch on your shots, no charge (some how the company paid for it:rolleyes:)

I was just having another look at the book but paying particular attention to the camera's used. By a big margin, most of the photo's in the book are from "lower end" camera's, hugh numbers on 350's & 400's, a number of 300's & P&S's.

I suppose this reflects the true ratio's of the type of camera's that people own. I wonder if the book commitee have ever done a breakdown by camera model? Be interesting.

Can't loan you a Canon but have got the Sigma 20-200 2.8 if you get stuck, I'm house husband this weekend so wont be using it.

[manipula]

Heck we might be twins :cool:

<shudder> :p

Yep, my design would be crude compaired to something like the Manfrotto but would be strong and not eactly light but simple to make & effective. No need to the finesse stuff like the pro stuff.

I might do some drawings & get someone to price it for me, be an interesting exercise.

then you the ideal person to design the heads - suspect some of these plasticky ones are designed for disposable cameras, not real life slr's.
Come up with something - I have an arcwelder.

When it arrives I'll have a look at it if you want, make you some existing drawings and maybe some mods?

[low orbit]

tony your links need editing: heres the one that should be for 'photo critique'

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=348867

it has some extra code on the end right now

Ah bugger, does this mean I have to change the links I kinda flogged off Tony as I can't code to save my life?

Welcome to NZ Warren, nice one on the news quip Peter, and entertaining chatter everyone else ;)


Cheers, Shane.

[S-S]

Ah bugger, does this mean I have to change the links I kinda flogged off Tony as I can't code to save my life?

Welcome to NZ Warren, nice one on the news quip Peter, and entertaining chatter everyone else ;)


Cheers, Shane.

just remove this from the end of that photo critique link in your sig:

&highlight=GKPE

[Raikyn]

Hey :)

As for lens, now have a brand new Sigma 12-24 (less than 10 shots taken) to offer for a trade for a weekend for a 70-200ish range.
I think I can make do with just the 24-105, on 1D and 50 1.4 on the 20D.



Well if you get to Napier and still need a lens you can use my 70-200, but it's only the f4 non-IS model.

[lil_miss]

Hi Everyone, I'm in Auckland, feeling quite refreshed to be honest.

Missed my connecting flight from Syd to AKL, as the BA flight from Bangkok was 2 hours late :( - ended up sitting around in Sydney this morning for a few extra hours.

Now I'm home, bought my dad a PS3 for his 50th couple weeks ago.

Now... SHOOTS!
I'm up for anything if I'm free.
Starting tomorrow possibly?

Hey :)
Shooting plans will likely be last minute, based on weather - forgot it's Auckland how unpredictable weather can be :lol:

I'd be keen for something tomorrow night to get me started though!

Thanks for the weather forecast.

Wednesday? Tomorrow? Yeah I'll be definitely out somewhere. Once I'm over the jetlag I'll also get down to Westhaven Marina and towards Orakei wharf for sunrise

We have to head out west tomorrow night to meet with some wedding clients - could be keen for something somewhere afterwards at around 8pm?

[NordieBoy]

kiwi - yes... photographic - no

shall we tell them or make them keep guessing?

My version has got it :D
It's thusly shorter than the "official" one :D

[joeseph]

time for some more photography. feel free to pic the location.
244358

[low orbit]

just remove this from the end of that photo critique link in your sig:

&highlight=GKPE

Thanks ss :)

[Wazza]

How soon could you be out at Piha? I'm keen to get out there. Was very tempted to get out there tonight :lol:

Thanks for the lens offer - will let you guys know what I do/need
Bed calls

[lil_miss]

How soon could you be out at Piha? I'm keen to get out there. Was very tempted to get out there tonight :lol:

Thanks for the lens offer - will let you guys know what I do/need
Bed calls

Our meeting is at Massey... not sure how long it takes from there to Piha... our meeting is at 7pm - may not take an hour....

[Wazza]

:lol: That will be pushing it
Sunset you're looking at around 8:15-8:20pm

Massey to Piha would be 35min or so
Takes 25min from Henderson on a clean run

[akiwi]

time for some more photography. feel free to pic the location.
244358

Umm... The sea?

[tag141]

Mind the landlord probably wouldn't be too keen on the chemical smell or the stainless sink either... ;)

You could set up a P lab and say the chemicals were for photography!!!!

Incidentally, I'm going to share a little known bit of trivial with you. As a brand-new POTN moderator a couple years ago, the first member to tell me to go do something to myself was Akiwi. Unfortunately I was unequipped to comply with his wishes.:o I've had special affection for you guys ever since.

Blimey and you didn't ban him?

Lookie in my sig :lol:

WOW. Someone takes up a suggestion I made.

And who was it?

He said it was Akiwi...

With the right machinery, it would only be half a days work in a machine shop.

The husband and son of a woman in work have all the relevant machinery in their shed. She said they love doing little projects and would be more than happy to have a go if I gave them drawings. I also have another photography related project but more of that later. For now I must master Sketchup.

[scotttnz]

OK....if nobody minds I'm gonna pick a topic for the challenge thread....OK?

[S-S]

He said it was Akiwi...

HAHAHAHAHA that's right, he did! :lol:

OK....if nobody minds I'm gonna pick a topic for the challenge thread....OK?

sweet, go for it

[wendyc]

Stumbled on this site, love this guys work link (http://www.tomputt.com/)

[scotttnz]

sweet, go for it

Done
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=4904196&postcount=90

[weka2000]

Stumbled on this site, love this guys work link (http://www.tomputt.com/)

Ok why do you love his work? What makes it stand out. Would you pay $2000 for 1 of his 1.5 mtr canvas prints?

[akiwi]

He said it was Akiwi....
Damn... I was hoping he had forgotten!

[manipula]

Stumbled on this site, love this guys work link (http://www.tomputt.com/)

Couldn't disagree more. Wishy-washy cr@p that falls right inside my definition of sickly sweet postcard fodder. There's no soul or balls to it, it's just designed to look pretty and remove cash from your wallet.

Which is the point I guess. Sickly sweet cr@p sells. But if one of those ended up on my wall I'd take the wall out in protest. (See also Ansel Adams and Colin Prior). <shudder>

[weka2000]

Couldn't disagree more. Wishy-washy cr@p that falls right inside my definition of sickly sweet postcard fodder. There's no soul or balls to it, it's just designed to look pretty and remove cash from your wallet.

Which is the point I guess. Sickly sweet cr@p sells. But if one of those ended up on my wall I'd take the wall out in protest. (See also Ansel Adams and Colin Prior). <shudder>

100% correct IMHO.

Trouble is Dave I want his $2000 he asking in my wallet. Well will I become a postcard photographer to do it ........... NO bl00dy way

[manipula]

Trouble is Dave I want his $2000 he asking in my wallet. Well will I become a postcard photographer to do it ........... NO bl00dy way

And that's why I'll never try and make money from landscapes, I doubt anyone would buy what I shot.

[kaypony]

Hi Everyone, I'm in Auckland, feeling quite refreshed to be honest.

Missed my connecting flight from Syd to AKL, as the BA flight from Bangkok was 2 hours late :( - ended up sitting around in Sydney this morning for a few extra hours.

Now I'm home, bought my dad a PS3 for his 50th couple weeks ago.

Now... SHOOTS!
I'm up for anything if I'm free.
Starting tomorrow possibly?
Welcome back. Are you back for good or just a visit? I know how you feel. I got stuck in Sydney a week ago due to thunderstorms and sat on the plane for 3 hours. Then they decided to send us to Auckland and not Wellington.:evil: Then we were put up in a hotel and sent home the next morning.

[S-S]

Couldn't disagree more. Wishy-washy cr@p that falls right inside my definition of sickly sweet postcard fodder. There's no soul or balls to it, it's just designed to look pretty and remove cash from your wallet.

Which is the point I guess. Sickly sweet cr@p sells. But if one of those ended up on my wall I'd take the wall out in protest. (See also Ansel Adams and Colin Prior). <shudder>

his snowgum picture that won an award isnt bad though...

what does everyone think of this guy's work (http://www.peterlatham.com/)? hes done landscapes, flora, and some other stuff. im not sure what i think... i looked thru the landscapes, some of it is nicely done,some of it ive seen before

that being said hes obviously selling pieces because some are sold out

[wendyc]

Shot down in flames lol :lol:. All good, I like strong opinions, each to his own. I love beauty, I dont care if its postcard stuff or not. It works for me.

I personally wouldnt pay that much because I couldnt afford it and would mount my own work, however if I was wealthy and not a photographer in my own right, I most certainly would.

In saying that I like Tom's work, I also like other styles.

Ok, Im off to do some work now, have a good day all.

Oh and WELCOME BACK WAZZA :)

[manipula]

his snowgum picture that won an award isnt bad though...

Didn't see that? Link me. ;)

[::John::]

I quite like them. Personal choice is still an open option, I reckon.

[S-S]

Didn't see that? Link me. ;)

http://www.tomputt.com/index.php?action=productcatalogue&prodcat_id=693&prod_id=5086&pageID=4773&sectionID=4759

[weka2000]

Dave "art" is always a personal thing. Very seldom do I go WOW at other landscape photographers. There is 1 ausy guy that does coffee books and I did go WOW (forgot his name).

John like them enough to pay $2000?

As for his "prizes" that has got me thinking. MOST of the top nature/landscape photographers belong to a photographic society NOT POTN or GKPE wonder why :rolleyes:
Add to this their work is based on prints not web. So in defence of his work I bet those prints look great.

Oh SS I did note his "prize" photo and thought "man thats crap, wheres the print"

[weka2000]

his snowgum picture that won an award isnt bad though...

what does everyone think of this guy's work (http://www.peterlatham.com/)? hes done landscapes, flora, and some other stuff. im not sure what i think... i looked thru the landscapes, some of it is nicely done,some of it ive seen before

that being said hes obviously selling pieces because some are sold out

His photos are oversaturated and again Postcard.

Point to note here is we are photographers looking at other photographers work. when was the last time you saw the Auckland habour look like emeralds in colour?

[S-S]

MOST of the top nature/landscape photographers belong to a photographic society NOT POTN or GKPE wonder why :rolleyes:

got nothing to do with it IMO

if GEAR isnt even the most important thing, how can internet usage be?

[::John::]

Dave "art" is always a personal thing. Very seldom do I go WOW at other landscape photographers. There is 1 ausy guy that does coffee books and I did go WOW (forgot his name).

John like them enough to pay $2000?

As for his "prizes" that has got me thinking. MOST of the top nature/landscape photographers belong to a photographic society NOT POTN or GKPE wonder why :rolleyes:
Add to this their work is based on prints not web. So in defence of his work I bet those prints look great.

Oh SS I did note his "prize" photo and thought "man thats crap, wheres the print"

Who knows - on the walls of the Kerikeri house are many prints I bought long before I got back into photography - there is one set of two pictures (a surf shot - like a wide landscape cut in two) that cost me over a grand - and two pictures titled 'A French Kitchen Garden that cost over $500 each.

These days I would probably try to get similar shots myself - but, back then, I liked what I saw, I knew it would 'fit' in a certain place in my home - so I bought them.

All our tastes are different - allowing for that while gently expressing our own tastes is an art in itself.

[weka2000]

got nothing to do with it IMO

if GEAR isnt even the most important thing, how can internet usage be?

I got $100 to say it has EVERYTHING to do with it.

When you belong to a society you are looked after and promoted. Lodges, Churches, Clubs look after their own. They recommend you to others.
How many weddings have you got because you belonged to a "society" .

[::John::]

His photos are oversaturated and again Postcard.

Point to note here is we are photographers looking at other photographers work. when was the last time you saw the Auckland habour look like emeralds in colour?

And, again, your opinion.

Sure - select whatever style you like - but by outwardly dismissing other peoples tastes you are also dismissing their right to have those tastes.

[lil_miss]

:lol: That will be pushing it
Sunset you're looking at around 8:15-8:20pm

Massey to Piha would be 35min or so
Takes 25min from Henderson on a clean run

Ah well - looks like we cant make it.. well me anyway.... I have one crazy week of work.. two urgent portrait shoots last night I had to do, and now 6 sets of portraits to edit and finish before Sunday.. in between taking more photos on Saturday and meetings this week.. GAH!!!!!

Ok why do you love his work? What makes it stand out. Would you pay $2000 for 1 of his 1.5 mtr canvas prints?

We went into a gallery of Peter Lik when we were in Cairns and his work was absolutely amazing... www.peterlik.com (http://www.peterlik.com)
He had panoramic photos all over the place each at least 1.5m wide... Prices started at $2000 for that size and went up from there.. they framed and freighted anywhere in the world for an extra $3k.... !! :) his photos were beautiful though and I probably would pay the price without framing if I wanted one of his photos....
He has galleries all over the world :)

There was lots of photographer galleries in Aussie... I think we stumbled across about 4 different photographers who stood out - all with similar pictures in panoramas... very inspiring

[Mediation]

im sick of looking at typical work. If there is anything interesting. Than they will be good in my books. Interestingness is a powerful thing.

Looking at a photograph and saying "that looks pretty" is crap to me....

oh yeah. Hi gkpe.

[lil_miss]

I got $100 to say it has EVERYTHING to do with it.

How many weddings have you got because you belonged to a "society" .

We're not part of a society and we've done lots.. whats your point?

[::John::]

We went into a gallery of Peter Lik when we were in Cairns and his work was absolutely amazing... www.peterlik.com (http://www.peterlik.com)
He had panoramic photos all over the place each at least 1.5m wide... Prices started at $2000 for that size and went up from there.. they framed and freighted anywhere in the world for an extra $3k.... !! :) his photos were beautiful though and I probably would pay the price without framing if I wanted one of his photos....
He has galleries all over the world :)

There was lots of photographer galleries in Aussie... I think we stumbled across about 4 different photographers who stood out - all with similar pictures in panoramas... very inspiring

Peter Lik has been one of my main inspirations. I'm glad you got to see his work.

im sick of looking at typical work. If there is anything interesting. Than they will be good in my books. Interestingness is a powerful thing.

Looking at a photograph and saying "that looks pretty" is crap to me....

oh yeah. Hi gkpe.

Oh dear - another closed mind. So young - so sad.

[S-S]

How many weddings have you got because you belonged to a "society" .

NONE.

i have got them all through physically meeting people and having them see my work - IN EVERY CASE.

stop making excuses and blaming externals for things that have more to do with your own inner self and level of development!

wherever you go, there you are - you are the same shooter whether you are at a "society" or sitting in a chair involved in a forum - or squatting on the pot!

externals dont signify.

im sick of looking at typical work. If there is anything interesting. Than they will be good in my books. Interestingness is a powerful thing.

lol youve been spending too much time on flickr, now youre starting to talk like it ;-)

hows your shooting going

[lil_miss]

Peter Lik has been one of my main inspirations. I'm glad you got to see his work.


It was awesome :) The place gave me goosebumps when I walked in :)
And he's still so young as well..

[weka2000]

We're not part of a society and we've done lots.. whats your point?

Find me a "photographer of the year" who is not part of a photograhic society. When was the last time they picked an "outsider"

SS you telling me none of your weddings have been obtainined by belonging to "Church" ? or are you saying all your weddings have been outside the church via advertising?

[S-S]

We're not part of a society and we've done lots.. whats your point?

ive got a point - we both just made an easy $100 :lol:

[lil_miss]

His photos are oversaturated and again Postcard.


Its called unique style...
Everyone has one and not everyone likes them..
You like it or you dont..

[lil_miss]

Find me a "photographer of the year" who is not part of a photograhic society. When was the last time the picked a "outsider"

SS you telling me none of your weddings have been obtainined by belonging to "Church" ? or are you saying all your weddings have been outside the church via advertising?


"Photographer of the Year".... that's a whole different kettle of fish.. its nothing to do with getting business. Half the time the competition is run by the said society/group/club, and you have to be a member to enter so of course they're not going to pick an outsider.. :rolleyes:

Said societies/groups/etc are just the same as this forum here - except in real life... they have meetings, they share photos, they critique, they discuss, they share knowledge, they run competitions etc... I mean sure if you want to strive for the awards then people will start booking you solely on your name. For some people having that backing is important.. to others its not

Would you believe me if I said all NONE of our weddings were obtained even through advertising? Well physical advertising? we have a website - thats it.. no ads in mags, papers, websites etc... Its called WORD OF MOUTH. Sure that may not work forever though... Of our market survey we did of 100 people - there was a question about belonging to a group such as NZIPP etc and whether that was important when choosing a photographer.... believe it or not NO ONE selected that it did. Most of the time the people wanting the photos done are not even aware such organisations exist as they are not in the industry

[S-S]

Find me a "photographer of the year" who is not part of a photograhic society. When was the last time they picked an "outsider"

SS you telling me none of your weddings have been obtainined by belonging to "Church" ? or are you saying all your weddings have been outside the church via advertising?

i'm saying they have all been obtained by first knowing my own personal friends, and then meeting friends of theirs AT their wedding, or having their friends see my work and saying "wow who did your wedding, i'd like to contact them and see what they charge"

and as far as i know BBC (or Shell, now) wildlife photographer of the year has nothing to do with societies, it is all based on the photographer's work and insight and is open to all, internationally - even children can enter in their categories - and i tell you what, some of those young teenagers' and pre-teens' work would blow all of ours straight out of the water

[::John::]

It was awesome :) The place gave me goosebumps when I walked in :)
And he's still so young as well..

Same here for his shop in Sydney - at the entrance was a huge landscape you felt you could just step into.

I have a coffee table book of his and a couple of his prints.

His Arizona pictures are fantastic, too.

Not bad for the son of impoverished refugee immigrants - he has made his way and made a pretty impressive mark along the way.

[lil_miss]

Same here for his shop in Sydney - at the entrance was a huge landscape you felt you could just step into.

I have a coffee table book of his and a couple of his prints.

His Arizona pictures are fantastic, too.

Not bad for the son of impoverished refugee immigrants - he has made his way and made a pretty impressive mark along the way.

Yeah I bought one of his books in Cairns.. was tempted to get some of his panoramic posters as well..

[weka2000]

"Photographer of the Year".... that's a whole different kettle of fish.. its nothing to do with getting business.

:confused:

[weka2000]

i'm saying they have all been obtained by first knowing my own personal friends, and then meeting friends of theirs AT their wedding, or having their friends see my work and saying "wow who did your wedding, i'd like to contact them and see what they charge"

Who you know from a "Society"

My point is simple. Belonging to a "Society" can help you go a long way. Its all about contacts. No matter what area of photography.
Once you get into a society you are looked after.

[lil_miss]

:confused:

You talk about getting business from being in a society (one you pay membership to) as if its the only way...

There are many that are living proof its not.. just be open minded :)

[S-S]

my favourite landscape/nature photographer is still jim brandenburg (http://www.jimbrandenburg.com)

hes shot for national geographic and has a bunch of books as well as marketing fine art prints... and his northwoods and other canada collections are absolutely stunning. the way he sees light reminds me of monet

hes been my favourite for about 5 years now

[lil_miss]

Who you know from a "Society"

My point is simple. Belonging to a "Society" can help you go a long way. Its all about contacts. No matter what area of photography.
Once you get into a society you are looked after.

I think you're turning around the meaning of "society" now.... :)

[weka2000]

You talk about getting business from being in a society (one you pay membership to) as if its the only way...

There are many that are living proof its not.. just be open minded :)

Im very open minded. Mind you also very opinonated as well :rolleyes:

[S-S]

Who you know from a "Society"

My point is simple. Belonging to a "Society" can help you go a long way. Its all about contacts. No matter what area of photography.
Once you get into a society you are looked after.

dude - unless you're a hermit, you belong to a community - in fact several.

a community like a church or a workplace or neighbourhood or sporting club is completely different from being an official member of a Photographic Society.

COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

for a start, most ordinary communities DON'T run photographic competitions, hold photo workshops, advertise and market their members' work...

stop confusing your arguments - you've lost your own plot


(and you owe me and lil miss $100) :lol:

[weka2000]

my favourite landscape/nature photographer is still jim brandenburg (http://www.jimbrandenburg.com)

Now were talking photograher

[weka2000]

dude - unless you're a hermit, you belong to a community - in fact several.

a community like a church or a workplace or neighbourhood or sporting club is completely different from being an official member of a Photographic Society.

COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

for a start, most ordinary communities DON'T run photographic competitions, hold photo workshops, advertise and market their members' work...

stop confusing your arguments - you've lost your own plot


(and you owe me and lil miss $100) :lol:

Ok how many weddings did you get from belonging to a "community" of belivers

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community

[akiwi]

his snowgum picture that won an award isnt bad though...

what does everyone think of this guy's work (http://www.peterlatham.com/)? hes done landscapes, flora, and some other stuff. im not sure what i think... i looked thru the landscapes, some of it is nicely done,some of it ive seen before

that being said hes obviously selling pieces because some are sold out
I like it. When I judge a photo, I ask myself "Would it look any good on a wall" His Post card highly saturated stuff fits perfectly.

[S-S]

Ok how many weddings did you get from belonging to a "community" of belivers

i can tell you if you want to know - but again, youve lost the thread of what you were talking about originally!

you maintained that a photographic society is part of the reason why "most pro landscape photogs" are so successful - and that none of them "belong to potn" - and attempted to draw a correlation between those two points


what does that have to do with word-of-mouth marketing within people's personal networks?

[weka2000]

you maintained that a photographic society is part of the reason why "most pro landscape photogs" are so successful - and that none of them "belong to potn" - and attempted to draw a correlation between those two points


So prove me wrong

Oh

As for his "prizes" that has got me thinking. MOST of the top nature/landscape photographers belong to a photographic society NOT POTN or GKPE wonder why

[S-S]

heres an idea... is it likely that upon entering the world of success, pro photographers will THEN join a society... because many are fairly exclusive and wont consider your application until you have proven yourself or been recommended by an existing member?

so in fact cause and effect are reversed?

but an easy way to find out would be, look around potn and see how many seasoned pro photographers are members here...

i know of a number of wedding ones (tho most may no longer be active here since WFF started up...)
but also remember potn is a small corner of the photography world and everyone ive ever spoken to outside of here has never even heard of it

[scotttnz]

What is your point Tony? If you think belonging to a society will help your Photography career, then don't just moan about it, go join one. ;)

Edit: snap SS

[lil_miss]

What is your point Tony? If you think belonging to a society will help your Photography career, then don't just moan about it, go join one. ;)



I agree ! :P

[Mediation]

lol youve been spending too much time on flickr, now youre starting to talk like it ;-)

hows your shooting going

hehe, well what I mean by interestingness in photography is more about how it looks. Ummm... I dont really like commercial style photographs, unless there glamor and model :p

But I think magnum photographers are the best example of what I mean. For example Chien-Chi Chang is a magnum photographer. And his work is so powerful. They pack a punch. I feel that all magnum photographers have this amazing ability to photograph interesting subjects. I would love to have a magnum photographers prints on my wall over any commercial style of photograph.

My shooting is going well. I am enjoying myself. I dunno. I like taking photos...

[S-S]

What is your point Tony? If you think belonging to a society will help your Photography career, then don't just moan about it, go join one. ;)

Edit: snap SS

lol

which brings me back to my original point: as long as you continue to dwell on everything EXTERNAL to your actual photography (gear, contacts, finances, memberships, career plans...) you will remain in exactly the place photographically that you are right now. no matter what EXTERNAL changes you make, your work will reflect your INSIDE self.

WHEREVER YOU GO... THERE YOU ARE.

[lance v]

WHEREVER YOU GO... THERE YOU ARE.

Not if u went into a black hole:rolleyes:

[S-S]

disappear up one's own butt, you mean? :lol:

[weka2000]

disappear up one's own butt, you mean? :lol:
Is that a reference to me?

[S-S]

Is that a reference to me?

of course not - just a general question
paranoid much? ;)

[::John::]

disappear up one's own butt, you mean? :lol:

Is that a reference to me?

of course not - just a general question
paranoid much? ;)


again ROFLMAO

Hell,, Tony, how many keyboards of mine are you gonna destroy? Should I stop drinking coffee while browsing POTN - or just restrict it to no coffee in GKPE?

Is this what you were referring to? :

[weka2000]

lol

which brings me back to my original point: as long as you continue to dwell on everything EXTERNAL to your actual photography (gear, contacts, finances, memberships, career plans...) you will remain in exactly the place photographically that you are right now. no matter what EXTERNAL changes you make, your work will reflect your INSIDE self.

WHEREVER YOU GO... THERE YOU ARE.


Who said I was dwelling? You assume to much. Ive already stated this yrs plans.
Oh the irony in that statement is the same as what Cliff, Chris or Moppie would say.

[Don28]

example Chien-Chi Chang is a magnum photographer. And his work is so powerful. They pack a punch. I feel that all magnum photographers have this amazing ability to photograph interesting subjects. I would love to have a magnum photographers prints on my wall over any commercial style of photograph.

Cheers for the reference Matt - looked up his work and WOW! :D definately the stuff I am looking for and what I want to get into. The nitty gritty stuff of life that one would not normally see or know about . The kind of stuff people turn "blind eyes".

been reading the last few pages and it looks like another heated debate was brewed :cool: not gonna make any comments about it appart from everyone has diff tastes, no point in scolding anyone for what they like. if it doesn't appeal to you, it doesn't neccessarily mean its wrong or bad... ;)

*damn, i made a comment* i'm gonna hide now :p

[::John::]

Cheers for the reference Matt - looked up his work and WOW! :D definately the stuff I am looking for and what I want to get into. The nitty gritty stuff of life that one would not normally see or know about . The kind of stuff people turn "blind eyes".

been reading the last few pages and it looks like another heated debate was brewed :cool: not gonna make any comments about it appart from everyone has diff tastes, no point in scolding anyone for what they like. if it doesn't appeal to you, it doesn't neccessarily mean its wrong or bad... ;)

*damn, i made a comment* i'm gonna hide now :p

It's a very valid comment.

[DiscoLizard]

New thread, same posts :D

How are you finding the 70-200 non IS, Don?

[S-S]

darn, my laptop has hung halfway to shutting down... if i force it off i might stuff it up again...

decisions decisions

[Don28]

New thread, same posts :D

How are you finding the 70-200 non IS, Don?


am luvin it discolizard! :) however I have not have much time to play around with it recently. been to friggin buzy w/ work & home stuff, by the time I finally get a chance its too late for me to go out & do something. one thing I can say about it is that it aint easy lugging around in public without getting loads of attention (and also the weight):lol: kinda pisses me off at times when people gather & oogle abit on what I'm shooting. sometimes I feel like just saying "for pete's sake go away & leave me in peace!!!" :lol: lolz well i like to be in peace and pretty much left alone when shooting. this is my relaxation and my outlet.

BTW, no offence with my quote Pete :) better than using the F word I thought.

[S-S]

...kinda pisses me off at times when people gather & oogle abit on what I'm shooting. sometimes I feel like just saying "for pete's sake go away & leave me in peace...

you might enjoy THIS THREAD (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=197076)... ;)

[lil_miss]

Oh the irony in that statement is the same as what Cliff, Chris or Moppie would say.

Teehee :P

[DiscoLizard]

am luvin it discolizard! :) however I have not have much time to play around with it recently. been to friggin buzy w/ work & home stuff, by the time I finally get a chance its too late for me to go out & do something. one thing I can say about it is that it aint easy lugging around in public without getting loads of attention (and also the weight):lol: kinda pisses me off at times when people gather & oogle abit on what I'm shooting. sometimes I feel like just saying "for pete's sake go away & leave me in peace!!!" :lol: lolz well i like to be in peace and pretty much left alone when shooting. this is my relaxation and my outlet.

Yeah - wish my 70-200 was black, but I'd rather avoid the paint :D

You don't feel like you miss the IS at all?

[Don28]

lolz, yeah I have been reading up on those... so far no comment received, but a few funny looks from the public and some really dodgy looks from the young ones, the local crowd that hang on the streets... I live out west so I don't know if that explains anything :P

[Don28]

New thread, same posts :D

How are you finding the 70-200 non IS, Don?

Yeah - wish my 70-200 was black, but I'd rather avoid the paint :D

You don't feel like you miss the IS at all?

the IS? not really, not yet anyway... haven't really tried it out on an indoor event yet :p

I find it fast enough to shoot in lowlights outdoors, I mainly shoot with it handheld at 1/100. have only been using it to take portrait shots & some action shots of our pup so far. really impressed with IQ! :D

[S-S]

Oh the irony in that statement is the same as what Cliff, Chris or Moppie would say.

are you saying i dont shoot/research/learn as much as i do other stuff...?
wanna put some more money on that? :rolleyes:

lolz, yeah I have been reading up on those... so far no comment received, but a few funny looks from the public and some really dodgy looks from the young ones, the local crowd that hang on the streets... I live out west so I don't know if that explains anything :P

lol they are probably making notes about your movements... :confused:

[weka2000]

are you saying i dont shoot/research/learn as much as i do other stuff...?
wanna put some more money on that? :rolleyes:


I said nothing about your photography, and I was not implying anything.
You still have yet to prove me wrong. In fact based on your statement re POTN and Photographic socitey you owe me $100

From memory the rules of debating is that it is your job to prove me wrong not me prove Im right :lol:

[CliveyBoy]

Couldn't disagree more. Wishy-washy cr@p that falls right inside my definition of sickly sweet postcard fodder. There's no soul or balls to it, it's just designed to look pretty and remove cash from your wallet.

Which is the point I guess. Sickly sweet cr@p sells. But if one of those ended up on my wall I'd take the wall out in protest. (See also Ansel Adams and Colin Prior). <shudder>
But it's photography nevertheless. Sex with a prostitute is still sex.