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silvex
11th of February 2008 (Mon), 01:56
There is pretty much two choices for color space for canon bodies. Which do you use and which format RAW ? JPEG? RAW+JPEG I think I had originally Adobe, but somehow I switched to sRGB.

NZDoug
11th of February 2008 (Mon), 01:57
sRGB for commercial, if not otherwise specified.

Damo77
11th of February 2008 (Mon), 02:00
sRGB for everything. I used to use Adobe RGB, because I'd read it was the "professional" thing to do, but it's simply not necessary in my circumstances (mainly publishing, and canvas printing).

jnev
11th of February 2008 (Mon), 02:00
I shoot and edit in adobe rgb and then convert to srgb for uploading to the web.

Tee Why
11th of February 2008 (Mon), 02:01
I use sRGB b/c most monitors are set up for it as well as online sites. This way I don't have to go back and forth when processing b/c I post online, may print at home and at a lab (which I hear mostly use sRGB), and since my monitor's default setting is for sRGB IIRC.

tim
11th of February 2008 (Mon), 02:10
Anyone asking this question should use sRgb for *everything*, to avoid messing things up.

gcogger
11th of February 2008 (Mon), 02:13
I use AdobeRGB because I can see no reason not to! If I want to post an image on the web, I'll have to resize it anyway so I convert to sRGB at the same time.

tzalman
11th of February 2008 (Mon), 03:47
I use Chrome 2000 D 65 RGB which is larger then AbobeRGB but only slightly larger than my print profile in most dimensions. I use two RAW converters, DPP and Raw Therapee, and edit and print in Picture Window Pro. If I convert in DPP, I output in WideGamut RGB and convert to Chrome 2000 in PWP. From RT I can output directly in Chrome 2000.

Pete
11th of February 2008 (Mon), 04:52
sRGB. I've never needed to do anything to a high enough standard to warrant using Adobe (or any other) colour space.

rfreschner
11th of February 2008 (Mon), 05:49
You're only limited to the 2 you show if you're shooting in JPEG. For RAW, your color space isn't determined until conversion. I use ProPhoto RGB until I convert for Web use when I switch it to sRGB.

hannaxt
11th of February 2008 (Mon), 08:54
I use Adobe RGB (that's not sRGB)
or ProPhoto RGB

ProPhoto RGB when I know I will be printing to the new Epson printers using the new inks and papers I shoot RAW and embed ProphotoRGB.

When shooting images that I know will go to press I edit Adobe RGB and convert to CMYK.

sRGB is not a workflow for me unless I will use images on the web and I simply "convert" via the Image menu.

Keith R
11th of February 2008 (Mon), 10:53
I shoot RAW, and - because I hardly ever print - use sRGB.

René Damkot
11th of February 2008 (Mon), 11:06
Depends on usage: AdobeRGB, ProPhotoRGB, WideGamut RGB, sRGB

zagiace
11th of February 2008 (Mon), 18:42
Like many,
I shoot in AdobeRGB then I back up the originals and convert to sRGB for Web and Printing. That way when my printer catches up to AdobeRGB I won't have to worry.

ChasP505
12th of February 2008 (Tue), 07:38
sRGB. I like not having to convert and my tired old eyes really can't see the difference anyway!

mij
12th of February 2008 (Tue), 09:28
You're only limited to the 2 you show if you're shooting in JPEG. For RAW, your color space isn't determined until conversion. I use ProPhoto RGB until I convert for Web use when I switch it to sRGB.

I was going to say exactly the same as Rick. Only it would have been in a sexy British accent.

Michael.

cvt01
12th of February 2008 (Tue), 10:51
I have a question:

I use sRGB only because the viewers I have (Irfanview and ACDSee) will display washed out colors if the image is in AdobeRGB colorspace. As I understand it is because those softwares have no colormanagement. Bridge and Lightroom are not really in the same league with those two above when it comes to quick full screen image viewing.
Is there a silmpy to use software with colormanagement?

eesparx
12th of February 2008 (Tue), 16:35
Ditto to what rfreschner said.

Az2Africa
13th of February 2008 (Wed), 12:43
Adobe RGB

zagiace
18th of February 2008 (Mon), 09:58
Hey cvt0,
Many programs will convert to sRGB for you if you want ot capture in AdobeRGB. DPP that comes with many Canon DSLR's will do a fine job. As will photoshop if you have it.

tmcman
18th of February 2008 (Mon), 20:19
I shoot in Raw then have ACR
output to CS2 in ProPhotoRGB.

Riff Raff
18th of February 2008 (Mon), 21:13
sRGB in camera. Converted to Adobe RGB for the occasional print.

Damo77
18th of February 2008 (Mon), 22:18
Shawn, I can't think of any good reason to convert from a smaller colour space to a larger one ...

Alistair Watson
19th of February 2008 (Tue), 06:15
My camera bodies are set to Adobe RGB. Photoshop colour space is Adobe RGB. Monitor is calibrated. Print in Adobe RGB and convert to sRGB for web uploads.

tzalman
19th of February 2008 (Tue), 07:20
Shawn, I can't think of any good reason to convert from a smaller colour space to a larger one ...
While the conversion itself would not give you anything, it could make room to selectively increase the saturation of some colors in subsequent editing. I think you would have to be very careful of banding, however.

chase2378
19th of February 2008 (Tue), 21:29
COuld someone explain to me the differences between the 2?? I was shootin in sRGB until one of my assistants suggested that I shoot in Adobe. I'm not sure what's the diff??? Thanks!

Damo77
19th of February 2008 (Tue), 21:34
Adobe is a bigger space (can contain more colours). However, it requires a little more knowledge of colour management to use correctly.

If you have to ask the question, you're best off sticking to sRGB.

Damo77
19th of February 2008 (Tue), 21:35
While the conversion itself would not give you anything, it could make room to selectively increase the saturation of some colors in subsequent editing. I think you would have to be very careful of banding, however.

Agreed.

I just hope Shawn's not converting to Adobe RGB for printing just because "someone said that's how to do it" ...

Riff Raff
19th of February 2008 (Tue), 21:51
As far as I recall, the Canon ICM profiles for the Pro9000 printer are based on Adobe RGB color space. I could certainly be wrong though, I've had the printer for all of a week now. But I'm happy with the output thus far. Also, all of my more recent photos are in RAW anyway so they're exported directly to Adobe RGB. It's mostly the older JPEGs that were shot with sRGB.

Damo77
19th of February 2008 (Tue), 22:11
Fair enough, but it's not necessary to convert to Adobe RGB just because the printer profile is based on it. A conversion happens during the print process anyway, there's no point in doing unnecessary extra conversions.

freddyco
20th of February 2008 (Wed), 02:05
I print, therefor I shoot in Adobe RGB.

I discovered two weeks ago that defaulting PS workspace color to Pro Photo RGB gives me more natural looking sRGB for web JPEG's. I can only assume that the pro photo RGB gamut is much much wider than the Adobe RGB gamut. The differences after destructive edits of photos are pretty significant compared to just using Adobe RGB.

gcogger
20th of February 2008 (Wed), 02:11
As far as I recall, the Canon ICM profiles for the Pro9000 printer are based on Adobe RGB color space. I could certainly be wrong though, I've had the printer for all of a week now. But I'm happy with the output thus far. Also, all of my more recent photos are in RAW anyway so they're exported directly to Adobe RGB. It's mostly the older JPEGs that were shot with sRGB.

The printer profile should be just that - a printer profile. It is completely independent of the working space (AdobeRGB).

Red Dot
20th of February 2008 (Wed), 02:23
I always use Adobe RGB because I print photos

chase2378
20th of February 2008 (Wed), 09:50
Damo, I recently read a link that explained the diff between sRGB & Adobe. So, I guess since I shoot mostly RAW and the use of my images by clients ranges from making prints, to being printed in brochures, Adobe may be the way to go to utilize a larger group of available colors. But if I shoot large fine jpgs in Adobe also, can I convert in CS to be able to use on the web?

JAcosta
20th of February 2008 (Wed), 11:00
Anyone asking this question should use sRgb for *everything*, to avoid messing things up.


Haha thank you for this post. I literally laughed out loud.

Damo77
20th of February 2008 (Wed), 16:25
Damo, I recently read a link that explained the diff between sRGB & Adobe. So, I guess since I shoot mostly RAW and the use of my images by clients ranges from making prints, to being printed in brochures, Adobe may be the way to go to utilize a larger group of available colors.

If I'm providing images to clients for their use, I almost always give them sRGB files - because I don't know if they have colour management knowledge.

If they try to get prints at a local lab, or print in a brochure or whatever, but they or their printers don't understand colour management, it's reasonable to assume that sRGB images will still turn out ok. But if I give them Adobe RGB images, there's a chance that they'll print terribly, and that might make me look bad.

Of course, if they contact me to complain, I could explain the difference, but the damage would already be done, and they might not use my services again. I'd rather play it safe.

Of course, if the images are ones that need the extra gamut of Adobe RGB (eg floral photos), then of course I'd do so.

Edit: I forgot to mention: I'm not suggesting you shouldn't shoot in Adobe RGB. If you want to, that's fine. I'm just recommending you convert to sRGB before handing off the files to the client.

But if I shoot large fine jpgs in Adobe also, can I convert in CS to be able to use on the web?

Yes, of course - in fact, it's built in to the "Save for Web" dialog.

FlyingPhotog
20th of February 2008 (Wed), 16:26
aRGB for shooting and processing
sRGB for the web

René Damkot
21st of February 2008 (Thu), 04:22
Yes, of course - in fact, it's built in to the "Save for Web" dialog.

Only in CS3 it is ;)