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Photogirl2007
8th of March 2008 (Sat), 01:47
I was outside and heard something falling and found this beetle lying on his back after coming off the wall. You can see the dent. When I came back and started to take pics, I noticed that his front, right hand side leg was missing a segment. I wonder if they feel the pain of the loss as we do??

I think this is one of the Psammodes beetles (Toktokkies), but cannot find a name again.

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa149/AshleyL_021/100_9547A.jpg

LordV
8th of March 2008 (Sat), 02:02
LOvely beetle capture Joan.
Re insects feeling pain - difficult to answer - they do respond to stimuli so have nerve receptors but suspect it's more of a - there's something going on with my leg response rather than pain we would interpret - they just get on with it and grow a new leg rather than our response which is to say that blxxdy hurts and either lay still or roll around in agony. Think the official answer seems to revolve around higher animals having a specialist area of the brain where "pain" is interpreted/handled - insects are missing this brain structure. This is really just a different interpretation of the same signals indicating "bad". Insects are often though to be similar to simple robots- they have hard wired responses to stimuli whereas we have a small amount of hard wired response plus a large amount of learnt response to a stimulus.

Brian V.

macro junkie
8th of March 2008 (Sat), 04:16
not sure but when they loose a leg not sure about beatles but mantids can live fine with 1 leg missing..if they loose it when there young it grows back after a few sheds..great pic.

racketman
8th of March 2008 (Sat), 06:06
I am sure Brian is right - check out footage of ant wars - notice some have been bitten in two but fight on; if they do feel pain then they are hard bast...s

Photogirl2007
8th of March 2008 (Sat), 07:08
Brian
LOvely beetle capture Joan.
Insects are often though to be similar to simple robots- they have hard wired responses to stimuli whereas we have a small amount of hard wired response plus a large amount of learnt response to a stimulus.

Thanks Brian, this was very informative and I appreciate you taking the time to respond. :)

Photogirl2007
8th of March 2008 (Sat), 07:10
Macro junkie
not sure but when they loose a leg not sure about beatles but mantids can live fine with 1 leg missing..if they loose it when there young it grows back after a few sheds..great pic.

Thanks MJ. I know some insects do grow missing parts again, but was not sure if they actually felt pain. :)

Photogirl2007
8th of March 2008 (Sat), 07:13
Toby
I am sure Brian is right - check out footage of ant wars - notice some have been bitten in two but fight on; if they do feel pain then they are hard bast...s
Thanks Toby. I have seen ant fights too that seem to go on forever. Maybe we need that part of our brain remove or changed too. :) This is for the next time I catch my thumb in a door. :lol:

LindaB
8th of March 2008 (Sat), 07:16
Lovely photo of it Joan - looks like it suffered a dent too lol.

Linda

PS - cant remem if I said, but my sister thoroughly enjoyed the second part of their hols at Victoria Falls (I have yet to see her pics). Local wildlife was abundant!

I hope to be back posting pics soon - been busy loading up a new pc, drivers and next step software lol. The brain is suffering a bit now lol.

Linda

Mike4BekA
8th of March 2008 (Sat), 07:20
Nice shot Joan........being as I am part insect I do feel pain and so do they lol jk

You raise a very good question for us to think about!

Photogirl2007
8th of March 2008 (Sat), 14:27
Linda
Lovely photo of it Joan - looks like it suffered a dent too lol.

Linda

PS - cant remem if I said, but my sister thoroughly enjoyed the second part of their hols at Victoria Falls (I have yet to see her pics). Local wildlife was abundant!

I hope to be back posting pics soon - been busy loading up a new pc, drivers and next step software lol. The brain is suffering a bit now lol.

Thanks Linda. I am glad your sister enjoyed her trip even though it was such a quick one. Sounds like you are bust too with a new PC. :)

Photogirl2007
8th of March 2008 (Sat), 14:30
Mike
Nice shot Joan........being as I am part insect I do feel pain and so do they lol jk

You raise a very good question for us to think about!

Thanks Mike. I wonder which part of you is insect?? :D

dpastern
9th of March 2008 (Sun), 05:57
I suspect Brian is right also - insects are a lot tougher than humans in many respects.

Dave

Photogirl2007
9th of March 2008 (Sun), 12:25
Thanks Dave. I guess it helps havig so many legs as it helps out when you loose one. :)