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firestorm
28th of March 2008 (Fri), 14:30
Just saw on another site that Andy "Canon man" Rouse has jumped ship to Nikon?

I know he is testing the D3, but apparently (according to a site and a few forums) he has switched.

Is this old news? or just a load of pap?

Glenn NK
28th of March 2008 (Fri), 17:29
Could be - but more importantly, does it matter?

Don't take this as a disparaging remark - there are at least several camera brands that will easily outperform most photographers.

And as someone pointed out (can't recall where), many of these "switchees" were formerly Nikonians that went to Canon in the 90's, when Nikon's digital imaging fell behind, and they still have that old Nikon "feeling" - much like loyalty to a losing football team.;)

Nikons has finally just caught up with the latest D300 and D3 series.

Anke
29th of March 2008 (Sat), 03:11
There is an video interview with him on his blog, he has definitely gone over to Nikon. He says their gear is far superior.
http://www.andyrouse.co.uk/blog.asp

artyboy
29th of March 2008 (Sat), 03:42
why bother? they do this for a living, whichever system they migrate to is purely for getting their work done. what badge is atop the camera's head don't mean diddly squat.

firestorm
29th of March 2008 (Sat), 04:50
I can't say I am too bothered, I just found it odd that I had not seen anything about it until now. I read his blog but didn't click the vid until now, thanks Anke.

condyk
29th of March 2008 (Sat), 04:53
I'm just going to slit my wrists ... see y'all later ;-)

Riff Raff
29th of March 2008 (Sat), 04:55
I have no idea who he is, so it doesn't affect me in the least. :)

secoast
29th of March 2008 (Sat), 08:39
I have no idea who he is, so it doesn't affect me in the least. :)

He's a UK photographer who earns a chunk of his living promoting Canon and a particular UK retailer. Clearly they ain't paying him enough;)

Secoast

Anke
29th of March 2008 (Sat), 13:57
He's a UK photographer who earns a chunk of his living promoting Canon and a particular UK retailer. Clearly they ain't paying him enough;)

Secoast

...and our greatest wildlife photographer, in my opinion.

SlowBlink
29th of March 2008 (Sat), 14:09
Andy is dead to me, nuff said.:confused:;)

cosworth
29th of March 2008 (Sat), 14:15
This is a monetary decision. Guys like him don't pay for gear. Other way 'round.

Balliolman
29th of March 2008 (Sat), 14:16
Andy is dead to me, nuff said.:confused:

Who? :lol:

cdifoto
29th of March 2008 (Sat), 14:20
This is a monetary decision. Guys like him don't pay for gear. Other way 'round.

Yeah. He just got a new job is all. :)

cosworth
29th of March 2008 (Sat), 14:20
Exactly. Photons are photons. How you capture them is the key.

Remember he can switch if he's out of contract or just returning the gear he's given. It doesn't cost him boatloads like it would cost us to switch.

And anyone who thinks the D3 is crap needs to have a day at the store with one. Their other stuff does nothing for me. Some lenses are good too. 200 F/2 anyone?

cdifoto
29th of March 2008 (Sat), 14:21
Jason your avatar creeps me out every.damn.time. :lol:

NOsquid
29th of March 2008 (Sat), 14:22
This is a monetary decision. Guys like him don't pay for gear. Other way 'round.

I don't know that you're wrong, but he denies it in interviews and not very cryptically either.

cdifoto
29th of March 2008 (Sat), 14:23
I don't know that you're wrong, but he denies it in interviews and not very cryptically either.

I deny being a Secret Service Agent. Not cryptically. But. Youneverknow.





Be right back, I gotta jump in front of the President real quick.

SlowBlink
29th of March 2008 (Sat), 14:29
Jason your avatar creeps me out every.damn.time. :lol:

Good to know it's not just me. :)

kevin_c
29th of March 2008 (Sat), 15:04
Who gives a .... My next door neighbour had just swapped from a Ford to a Nissan - His choice... :-)

Karl C
29th of March 2008 (Sat), 16:19
And the problem with this is, what?

Who cares if he switched.

dekalbSTEEL
29th of March 2008 (Sat), 17:09
Just saw on another site


what the hell ya' doin' on another site?:confused:

cosworth
29th of March 2008 (Sat), 19:16
Good to know it's not just me. :)

Freaky eh? Maybe ole' smiley will come back one day.

cdifoto
29th of March 2008 (Sat), 19:25
Maybe ole' smiley will come back one day.

Dear god no.

LeuceDeuce
29th of March 2008 (Sat), 19:52
Freaky eh? Maybe ole' smiley will come back one day.

I liked the Gordon Ramsey one...

Anke
29th of March 2008 (Sat), 19:55
I liked the Gordon Ramsey one...


Yeah, bring back Gordon!! :D

PhotosGuy
30th of March 2008 (Sun), 10:23
Yeah, bring back Gordon!! Not Horshack? :D

TheHoff
30th of March 2008 (Sun), 10:33
And anyone who thinks the D3 is crap needs to have a day at the store with one. Their other stuff does nothing for me. Some lenses are good too. 200 F/2 anyone?

But why is there nothing wider than 50 that is faster than 2.8? Dealbreaker for me. They've released some appealing zooms lately but Canon has them soundly beat with fast, wide primes.

cosworth
30th of March 2008 (Sun), 11:06
But why is there nothing wider than 50 that is faster than 2.8? Dealbreaker for me. They've released some appealing zooms lately but Canon has them soundly beat with fast, wide primes.


Exactly. And yet you hear people bash Canon for not being on the ball in the wide range. Big deal Canon doesn't make some sub-par 8mm fisheye. I can't figure that logic out. You nailed it Hoff.

Karl C
30th of March 2008 (Sun), 12:06
Exactly. And yet you hear people bash Canon for not being on the ball in the wide range. Big deal Canon doesn't make some sub-par 8mm fisheye. I can't figure that logic out. You nailed it Hoff.

C'mon Jason, you know some people are never happy and will whine regardless. ;)

Steve Parr
30th of March 2008 (Sun), 14:52
Never heard of him.

The owner of our company used to be a die-hard Canon fan. Then he got himself the D300.

If I didn't have as much as I do wrapped up in Canon-mount glass, I could be easily tempted, too. That's a damn nice camera...

cdifoto
30th of March 2008 (Sun), 15:00
1.5x is easier to calculate in your head too.

primoz
30th of March 2008 (Sun), 15:14
I would say Canon gets more hurt by AFP switching to Nikon, then with one guy, even if his name is Andy Rouse, switching to other company.
But on the end... who gives a sh*** anyway.

ssim
30th of March 2008 (Sun), 19:06
I find it all too amusing how obsessed some are with one person switching camera brands. It happens all so often with many shooting professionals. Definitely not a big deal in my books.

zacker
30th of March 2008 (Sun), 19:09
who cares if jumps ship, so long as he doesnt try to post his Nikon stuff here at the Canon photography forums!

lol

SlowBlink
31st of March 2008 (Mon), 02:09
When you're at that level of gear, I don't really understand why you'd switch unless being sponsored. The image quality is excellent with both at that price range.

TheHoff
31st of March 2008 (Mon), 02:16
I could see switching for the 200-400 if I did wildlife.

jackies35
9th of April 2008 (Wed), 08:40
HAHAHAHAH! HAHAHAH hahahah! LOL! Seriously! ahahahah:lol::eek::mad::lol:

what the hell ya' doin' on another site?:confused:

fordmondeo
9th of April 2008 (Wed), 08:52
But why is there nothing wider than 50 that is faster than 2.8? Dealbreaker for me. They've released some appealing zooms lately but Canon has them soundly beat with fast, wide primes.

What are you using fast wide angles for?

TheHoff
9th of April 2008 (Wed), 09:01
Street photography (http://www.flickr.com/photos/alexfirmani/sets/72157603928471635/)

Zansho
9th of April 2008 (Wed), 09:10
Why should what another photographer uses influence what you use? If you're comfortable with you camera system, good for you. Stick with that camera system.

I don't know who the guy is, but he doesn't hold any sway over me.

bgbs
10th of April 2008 (Thu), 17:04
Could be - but more importantly, does it matter?

Don't take this as a disparaging remark - there are at least several camera brands that will easily outperform most photographers.

And as someone pointed out (can't recall where), many of these "switchees" were formerly Nikonians that went to Canon in the 90's, when Nikon's digital imaging fell behind, and they still have that old Nikon "feeling" - much like loyalty to a losing football team.;)

Nikons has finally just caught up with the latest D300 and D3 series.
What is this recently caught up business? Nikon has been on top since 1920's. Then in the 90s canon caught up. So to say Nikon caught up is a false statement. Nikon D2x for example is a great camera and can easily compete with 5D or Mark's. I think Canononians measure everything in ISO. So when they say Nikon caught up they mean ISO. For them nothing else matters. They have no idea how many people in the field and national geographic legends use Nikon D2x and D200.

bgbs
10th of April 2008 (Thu), 17:10
Why should what another photographer uses influence what you use? If you're comfortable with you camera system, good for you. Stick with that camera system.

I don't know who the guy is, but he doesn't hold any sway over me.
Listen man, all these talks are about justification. Every person wants to feel good that the decision he made in purchasing a camera is the best in the world. How do you think a Canon guy would feel if a Nikon guy comes over and says my Nikon is better? or vise versa.... What he will do is go to forums like this one, and seek for justification that his camera is still better. He will get support from fanboys and recharge himself to feel good about his product. So all these wars are based on two guys bashing each others products. Even those who own both Nikon and Canon get caught up in these absurd arguments

bgbs
10th of April 2008 (Thu), 17:13
I find it all too amusing how obsessed some are with one person switching camera brands. It happens all so often with many shooting professionals. Definitely not a big deal in my books.
People are obsessed because they ask, "How can a great Canon photographer who invested thousands into canon equipment and lenses decide that it is worth to drop all this behind to obtain a D3 body?" So they wonder then, "how good is D3"?

cosworth
10th of April 2008 (Thu), 17:17
I think Canononians measure everything in ISO.

and megapixels, and worldwide DSLR sales, and professional sports penetration, and P&S market share, and stock price, hmmm. Seems more than ISO.

Croasdail
10th of April 2008 (Thu), 17:55
and stock price, hmmm.

How do you figure that one. 5 year growth on Canon Stock is just under 2x. Nikon is sitting at just about 3x growth in stock value over the same 5 year period. And you left out all the other uses, like news photographers, scientific... etc. And even in certain regions, Nikon now sells more DSLRs than Canon. None of this makes a difference though. I use Nikon for full frame, and Canon still for sports. Each has it's use. I drive a Porsche to work. I drive a suburban on family road trips.... neither one is better or worse than the other - just different.

If I had to pick just one....

cosworth
10th of April 2008 (Thu), 18:16
Canon is bigger, period.

Dividend yield is a major differentiator. Since they are traded in different currencies in multiple coutries and exchanges you should look at average dividend yield. Canon is almost triple.

The reasons for that importance are a whole differnt forum let alone thread.


Market share for Canon AND Nikon is shrinking though. There are more players than just Ford n Chevy here. Look at 2006 numbers:

Japan Digital SLR Market Share by Unit Sales
Vendor July June
===============================
Canon 33.3% 51.6%
Nikon 27.4% 32.6%
Sony 21.6% 2.3%
Pentax 14.0% 7.6%
Olympus 2.8% 4.8%
Matsu****a 0.8% 0.1%

cosworth
10th of April 2008 (Thu), 18:17
Nikon now sells more DSLRs than Canon.

In Japan. Worldwide Nikon is getting pwned.

Croasdail
10th of April 2008 (Thu), 18:58
Not to drag this on, but the 2007 numbers are out by IDC and while Canon is still ahead in DSLRs, it is only by a thread. Hardly anything worth any chest thumping. And Canon is headed in the wrong direction while Nikon has made solid gains each of the last two years. Not that this proves anything - just for information purposes. Here is the IDC report for 2007...

"According to IDC, Canon still rules the roost when it comes to sales of digital cameras and dSLR growth reached 41 percent as shipments climbed to 7.5 million units. Here are some highlights 2007 Worldwide Digital Camera Market Share Review Report:


Global shipments of digital still cameras including dSLRs reached 131 million units in 2007, driven by strong dSLR shipments and strong growth in the U.S., Eastern Europe, parts of Asia and Latin America. This represents a 24 percent growth rate, stronger than the 15 percent growth experienced in 2006.

dSLR growth reached 41 percent as shipments climbed to 7.5 million units. Canon was again number 1 with share of 43 percent, yet lost another 4 points on top of the 5 points the firm lost in 2005. Nikon was second with share of 40 percent, gaining 7 points from 2005. Sony again placed third, with a share of 6 percent, unchanged from 2005. Olympus, despite having a broader product lineup, failed to make it out of 4th place with a share of 6 percent, just behind Sony.

Sony continued to make inroads after bottoming out in 2005 and saw its total digital camera share maintained at 16 percent, on shipments of 20.1 million units. Kodak had a strong showing in 2007, maintaining its third place ranking and despite the onslaught from Samsung, which came in fourth with 10 percent share on shipments of 12.6 million units."

We are still in the early innings - no much has been decided yet.

Oh to the topic.... 30D over the 80D any day... no doubt.

300D over 30/40D any day.

Just depends on budget.

Zansho
10th of April 2008 (Thu), 19:31
Listen man, all these talks are about justification. Every person wants to feel good that the decision he made in purchasing a camera is the best in the world. How do you think a Canon guy would feel if a Nikon guy comes over and says my Nikon is better? or vise versa.... What he will do is go to forums like this one, and seek for justification that his camera is still better. He will get support from fanboys and recharge himself to feel good about his product. So all these wars are based on two guys bashing each others products. Even those who own both Nikon and Canon get caught up in these absurd arguments


I can understand your argument. But you really have to ask yourself, is it really the camera that makes a difference, or the photographer that is using the camera that does? Pretty much every DSLR manufacturer puts quality product that's capable of great images out there in the market. I've seen shots from my professor's Olympus SLR that are just impressive. I've watched other students use Pentax K10D's with incredible results. My best friend uses a Fuji S3 DSLR, and it's amazing what that camera can do.

Bottom line? Stop being so hung up on the brand wars - both camera systems are more than capable of excellent imagery. It's the photographer that's the critical factor, not the brand name.

Again, who CARES what some other person uses? I'm not switching camera systems just because some other guy whom I've never met or know has jumped ship to a rival company.

S.Horton
10th of April 2008 (Thu), 20:41
There is an video interview with him on his blog, he has definitely gone over to Nikon. He says their gear is far superior.
http://www.andyrouse.co.uk/blog.asp

I smell an endorsement deal.

Zansho
10th of April 2008 (Thu), 21:07
I smell an endorsement deal.

I'd be extolling the virtues of Nikon too if they paid me a bunch of money.

condyk
11th of April 2008 (Fri), 01:36
Nikon is definately cooler ... it has the bling foctor around yer neck ;-)

Red Dot
11th of April 2008 (Fri), 04:51
Oh No!!!
we all better move over to nikon now, it seems to be the trend.
;)

fordmondeo
11th of April 2008 (Fri), 08:29
and megapixels, and worldwide DSLR sales, and professional sports penetration, and P&S market share, and stock price, hmmm. Seems more than ISO.

Not long before you move to Sony then!

cosworth
11th of April 2008 (Fri), 08:33
The D3 and the lens I'd like to use most (200 F/2) does have some appeal. However since I got a 24mm TS-E I've sorta of given up on Nikons' lens system. WAY too many holes in what I want. Canon's glass is just so strong. So strong.

radiohead
11th of April 2008 (Fri), 13:29
This is a monetary decision. Guys like him don't pay for gear. Other way 'round.

http://lightroom-news.com/2008/03/05/andy-rouse-wildlife-photographer-and-lightroom-user/

'So it was a pure business decision that was incredibly hard to make and has so far cost me 15k in new gear. Contrary to the silly rumours on the internet, Nikon have not paid me to change and they have not given me any discount on gear, they have played it cool and I think that was the right thing to do'

So, it's possible he's actually telling bare-faced lies. But I'm not sure that's the case.....

Liam:
11th of April 2008 (Fri), 13:46
...and our greatest wildlife photographer, in my opinion.

Sorry would have to disagree with you on that one, there are better......

Croasdail
11th of April 2008 (Fri), 14:09
I am blown away how fragile the photo crowd is, self esteem wrapped up in what gear they own, and should someone make a decision that contradicts their own, get highly defensive and attacks the other person. Its become about sharpness, pixels, and nosie - rather than self expression... a pitty photography has gone the way of the it has. I know there are those who will argue it has always been so - but forums like this have just made it worse with people defending brand x regardless of common sense.

There is no definitive "greatest" anything artist - it's pure opinion no matter what proof anyone tries to use. Anke's "greatest" is surely going to be different than liam's "greatest" - its not a debatable or winnable point. My personal "greatest" would probably get panned by both. And I don't give a rats ass what brand gear any of them used - but rather how they use it.

Market share doesn't make a brand great. The 737 is the worlds most sold commercial jet - look at any airport and you will see more of them than any other aircraft. It doesn't make it the best airplane - nor does it make Boeing the best aircraft manufacture. Nor does any sidelines with 70% of photographers using white lenses prove they are the best either. It gives a sense of safety in any buying decision. Just as this chaps usage of the D3 for wildlife - it validates the camera can do the job. But it doesn't say it is the best or only camera that can be used either....

Ah anyway.... this beats doing my week end reports anyway. Cheers.

cosworth
11th of April 2008 (Fri), 14:43
http://lightroom-news.com/2008/03/05/andy-rouse-wildlife-photographer-and-lightroom-user/

'So it was a pure business decision that was incredibly hard to make and has so far cost me 15k in new gear. Contrary to the silly rumours on the internet, Nikon have not paid me to change and they have not given me any discount on gear, they have played it cool and I think that was the right thing to do'

So, it's possible he's actually telling bare-faced lies. But I'm not sure that's the case.....

Well if he's paying for his gear he shouldn't revered as such.

The D3 isn't that much of a leap forward to TOTALLY abandon a lens system. There is more to this than meets the eye. "Silly" internet rumours or not.

Look at the results from the noise test in my sig. Cameras are all pretty much the same. I'm far more about glass that I used to be.

Liam:
11th of April 2008 (Fri), 14:46
Straight from Andy's blog


"A big thank you to all who came to my two Focus on Imaging talks on the Nikon stand. Most of you seemed quite surprised to see me there and more surprised to see that from now on I will be shooting with my D3 system. And I want to clear a few things up straight away that a few idiots on dpreview have been saying - thanks also to some nice humans on there that have defended me too. I made the conversion at my own cost and Nikon have not supplied me with any gear nor have they paid me, in fact I worked at Focus for free. I swapped to the D3 because I think that the AF system is better and the image quality is better, the high ISO certainly is. It was a business decision on my part and nothing else!

It is always amazing to me how some people are so obsessed with their cameras that they will hurl anything at anyone who is a threat and this week I have seen some awful stuff on that forum about me. One guy said that all of my D3 pictures so far sucked, I could not believe it as I have posted some beautiful work lately."

radiohead
11th of April 2008 (Fri), 14:51
Well if he's paying for his gear he shouldn't revered as such.

He can't really win then. Why should how he acquire his kit make any difference?

The D3 isn't that much of a leap forward to TOTALLY abandon a lens system. There is more to this than meets the eye. "Silly" internet rumours or not.

The D3 isn't that much of a leap forward to TOTALLY abandon a lens system FOR YOU


Look at the results from the noise test in my sig. Cameras are all pretty much the same. I'm far more about glass that I used to be.

We're all our own people. Just because you don't feel it worthwhile doesn't make it the de facto viewpoint.

Croasdail
11th of April 2008 (Fri), 16:04
The D3 and the lens I'd like to use most (200 F/2) does have some appeal. However since I got a 24mm TS-E I've sorta of given up on Nikons' lens system. WAY too many holes in what I want. Canon's glass is just so strong. So strong.

Errr ... ummm.....

They too have a 24 ts-e like lens too.

http://www.nikonusa.com/Find-Your-Nikon/Camera-Lenses/Manual/Perspective-Control.page?

I am curious what other gapping holes you think there are. I am not a Nikon fan boy - (I have way more Canon stuff than Nikon), but I do get all caught up on facts rather then emotion.

cosworth
11th of April 2008 (Fri), 16:10
Errr ... ummm.....

They too have a 24 ts-e like lens too.

http://www.nikonusa.com/Find-Your-Nikon/Camera-Lenses/Manual/Perspective-Control.page?

I am curious what other gapping holes you think there are. I am not a Nikon fan boy - (I have way more Canon stuff than Nikon), but I do get all caught up on facts rather then emotion.


I'm well aware of what Nikon sells :rolleyes:

Price buddy, price. Facts? It's a HELL of a lot more. Almost double. You guys really don't think about this stuff before posting you just read what you want into it.

I'm not looking to be the defacto source, I'm saying there are motivations beyone wanting a D3 body. Peer pressure, tired of Error 99, maybe he likes the weight of it. Still, the MAJORITY of people are not abandoning Canon because they have superior glass and usually superior pricing on said glass.

Bodies come and go, glass is fairly constant.

radiohead
11th of April 2008 (Fri), 16:13
You're right. You're the only one who thinks about anything before they post.

Believe me, peer pressure is nothing to do with it. Maybe when I was 10, but that was 28 years ago and I've grown up. I make my own decisions based on my needs.

condyk
11th of April 2008 (Fri), 16:22
I'm not a big fan of Andy Rouse. I have his animal portraits book and not that great. His recent images have a nice quality to them tho' ... he posted a comprehensive review on the Warehouse Express web site. Seems a great camera and sweet lenses. But I wouldn't swap like for like, just like I wouldn't if I had all Nikon gear. If I was paid I would want the very best and even if I got offered stuff free I would refuse if it wasn't the best, or just sell it on eBay. My 'best' might be different to someone elses. That is cool ... like I care ;-)

steved110
11th of April 2008 (Fri), 16:40
So Andy worked demonstrating the D3 for free. Amazing, for a professional photographer to donate his precious free time to Nikon like that.

Sorry, I don't believe a word of it. If he's not sponsored in some way, then he must be the biggest, yet most fickle, fan-boy out there. From a dyed-in-the -wool Canon user to a Nikon user for the sake of one body - I can't see it. Does anyone think Canon don't have an answer to the challenge Nikon have given them? As everyone says, at that level, it is not really about the gear. I respect Andy as a photographer, he has done some great work - but I find his protestations of independence very, very difficult to believe. It's a business decision, fair enough, but how on earth can he make the new gear pay back that 15K ( in pounds sterling remember)? By a marginal increase in his work-flow rate? Bollocks.

If he'd just said it was a business decision and time for a change, that would have been believable. I'm sure he is no more immune to gear fever than the rest of us, and again, if he had just said that he was itching to use the D3 - again, fair enough. But the story he has given seems spurious at best.

He reviewed the 1DS III for Warehouse Express, the UK's main on-line photographic dealer - and rubbished it in a cursory 3 paragraphs. This after he wrote a pretty slavish review of the D300 and D3. I'm not in anyway doubting that the new Nikon cameras are great, and I am looking forward to seeing what Canon comes up with in response. But I don't believe that he gave an honest review as the conmplaints he made have not been echoed by other users.

Just a thought - has anyone picked up any of his old Canon gear - or did he have to give it back at the end of his contract?

Another thought - I am honestly amazed that I care enough even to write this - other than that I feel he has been less than honest. But that's my opinion, and if I am wrong, I apologise.

Wazza
11th of April 2008 (Fri), 16:51
I received the email earlier today from Warehouse Express with Andy's review.
Remember they're only tools, with different benefits in each way. The user is still more important, and people should get out more and practice. :p

Croasdail
11th of April 2008 (Fri), 17:10
Price buddy, price. Facts? It's a HELL of a lot more. Almost double. You guys really don't think about this stuff before posting you just read what you want into it.

Buddy - you said there were too many holes in their lens line up. You used the 24 TS-E as an example.... they have one of those - that hole is plugged. You weren't complaining about price - which is a valid issue between the two. But that too you can diced many ways... the 5d is 1/2 of a D3, and the D3 is about 60% of a 1Ds III. Pick your poison.

So if I am guilty of not thinking and being able to follow your logic here.... guilty as charged. I am sure it's all just me. All hail noise and "better" yet cheaper lenses... pass the kool-aid.

Yep... the only way he would change from Canon is because he was paid off.... I am on board now.

fordmondeo
11th of April 2008 (Fri), 23:26
I think you'll find the prices aren't much different.
Sure the Nikon 24-70 for example is much more expensive than the canon version but it's a new lens.
Check out the RRP for the comparable 200mm f2 lenses, the canon option is way way more expensive, because it's a new lens.

And why are people knocking Andy Rouse? he's a professional, he'll always use what works best for him, that's how he earns a living.
Nikon may have given him a camera, but if he can't use it for his work then he will use something else.

cosworth
12th of April 2008 (Sat), 00:21
Buddy - you said there were too many holes in their lens line up.

Show me where I said this. Now.

opus13
12th of April 2008 (Sat), 00:52
Show me where I said this. Now.

now? how impertinent
The D3 and the lens I'd like to use most (200 F/2) does have some appeal. However since I got a 24mm TS-E I've sorta of given up on Nikons' lens system. WAY too many holes in what I want. Canon's glass is just so strong. So strong.

you mean that?

cosworth
12th of April 2008 (Sat), 01:52
I never said holes in their system. Holes in WHAT I WANT. Not in their lens system. If I was wanting to say lens system it would read thusly:

"Too many holes in ther lens lineup"

I was simply referring to my recent desire to possibly rent/try a D3 (thanks MDJAK) and I looked at the cost of replacing lenses I use and the TS-e cost difference between the two made it silly. Really silly. It totally negated any savings I'd realize by going with the 200 f/@ VR.

Anyone who reads that as lens hole is not reading. Skimming. Assuming. The bane of posting on here really. You type tomato and someone reads potato. I did it 2 days ago with WA instead of reading it properly as WR in the Vancouver Street thread.

If you are gonna give someone the gears make sure you're right.

condyk
12th of April 2008 (Sat), 03:01
Price buddy, price. Facts? It's a HELL of a lot more. Almost double.

:cry::cry: Dude, I just started believin' what all them thar Lovers been tellin' me all these years that ya gets what ya pay for ... and now ya gone an blowed all that away :evil:

fordmondeo
12th of April 2008 (Sat), 03:42
Price buddy, price. Facts? It's a HELL of a lot more. Almost double. You guys really don't think about this stuff before posting you just read what you want into it.



Let's dwell on the word Facts for a moment shall we!

Canon ts lens SRP £1106 (canon UK)
Nikon pc lens SRP £1299 (Nikon UK)

"Almost double would be, wait a second, it's coming to me, oh yeah! £2200."

Once again, the canon lens is an older model, it's bound to be cheaper.

"Yeah! but I can get it cheaper than that at B+H"

Please spare us all!:rolleyes:

steved110
12th of April 2008 (Sat), 04:49
I think very few people are knocking Andy Rouse's right to switch, or his abilities as a pro shooter.

But he IS being called on his honesty. Expecting us to believe he has jumped ship with no financial inducement, in this day and age, is exactly what has provoked this, and other threads.

Quite apart from peeing all over our sacred cow.

I wonder if he'll jump right back when Canon unleash the next salvo - maybe he's kept all his long EF IS primes for just such an eventuality.

adam*
12th of April 2008 (Sat), 05:32
The D3 is an awesome camera, but looking at the prices and availability of lenses like the 24L, 35L, 85L, 135L I think Canon comes up trumps.

Pete-eos
12th of April 2008 (Sat), 05:47
Seeing as Warehouseexpress just spammed me with a big advert for the D3 using his name, someones pocket is getting lined lol. I'm sure he'd get the same pictures for his clients with either rig, I'd get paid to swap lol

argyle
12th of April 2008 (Sat), 06:02
There is an video interview with him on his blog, he has definitely gone over to Nikon. He says their gear is far superior.
http://www.andyrouse.co.uk/blog.asp

Well then, that just settles it. I'm dumping all of my Canon gear...immediately.