Photomanipulation Board

[Curos]

Has there ever been any thought/discussion about a Photo-Manipulation board? I suppose they could go in the Share or Critique forums, but I really don't feel comfortable submitting my manips there, as usually some of the photo's used are not mine. Any chance of this happening, or is there enough interest to even have one? Does anyone else here use photoshop for things besides processing your pics?

Just a late night though, night guys.

[JZaun]

How about the Post Processing Board :?

JZ

[jyrgen]

If not much interest here, you might take a loot at RetouchPRO (http://www.retouchpro.com/index.html) forums.

[sGu]

manipulation is mainly for digital illustration or creative arts, when it comes to photography, regardless which format it is in, you should get the shot right when you actually take it, NOT later on to save it in photoshop involving a lot of retouching, if you spend more time in front of monitor to fix things in a photo editing program than what you spend to take the photo, I don't think "photographer" is the right title for you.

[Curos]

I'm not talking about taking a photo, then photoshopping to extremes to make it look like I wanted. I try to do that with my camera alone :? Post processing isnt the place for it, thats for questions to do with it, not sharing your work.



Here's one of my pieces of what im trying to explain, because i can't do it with words.

http://www.deviantart.com/view/12306142/
Sort of graphic, so beware.

Obviously, I'm not going to be able to do that with my camera alone.


I guess everyone kind of took this the wrong way. I'll just start looking for a photomanip board...sorry guys.

[Scottes]

A photo *can* be just the start, or a single ingredient, of a piece of art.

Your comment is out of place and undeserved sGu.

[thomascanty]

if you spend more time in front of monitor to fix things in a photo editing program than what you spend to take the photo, I don't think "photographer" is the right title for you.

Using your definition, Ansel Adams would not be considered a photographer. He was a master in the dark room, famous for his manipulative skills.

In other words, I think you're dead wrong.

[sGu]

fair enough, it's just my opinion on what photography should be, digital manipulation is just not my thing.

Show me one photo by Ansel Adams which would achieve the same effects as this one: http://www.deviantart.com/view/12306142/

Good luck "making" your photos.

[ssim]

I think that you are confusing the issue here of editing images to a point where one is happy with them versus taking an image as a base and creating something more artistic. As Scott said the photo can be just the start of something greater. I'm sure that even you must post process your images to a certain degree.

Curos - I think the idea of having somewhere to illustrate these more creative images is definitely an idea that could be explored. Post-processing seems to me to be a good place that we could start with on this. However, I would like to see whatever someone posts come with somewhat of an explanation/tutorial on how they got there. Post-processing really doesn't get that much traffic and this would certainly be a way of increasing the participation in this area and would provide a great learning experience for those of us that lack those certain photoshop skills.

[thomascanty]

Show me one photo by Ansel Adams which would achieve the same effects as this one: http://www.deviantart.com/view/12306142/

I admit, Adams never went to those kind of extremes (that I've ever heard of), but it doesn't make Curos any less of a photographer, just because he wants to take his images further than what the camera is capable of creating. Photography is just one form of art, and the camera is only one of the many tools available.

Just my opinion, and I hate arguing, so this will be my last post on the subject.

[IndyJeff]

manipulation is mainly for digital illustration or creative arts, when it comes to photography, regardless which format it is in, you should get the shot right when you actually take it, NOT later on to save it in photoshop involving a lot of retouching, if you spend more time in front of monitor to fix things in a photo editing program than what you spend to take the photo, I don't think "photographer" is the right title for you.

I gotta agree with Gu on this one. You should be getting it right in the camera and not relying on PS or other program skills to make it a good photo. Now to back that up, I don't think Gu was addressing the question as it was intended, if I am reading the question right.

Also to address the question as I read it, this kind of bothered me

but I really don't feel comfortable submitting my manips there, as usually some of the photo's used are not mine.

So what your saying here is you don't mind stealing someone's property but feel uncomfortable with displaying it where they might see it. Ever thought about asking for permission first?

[Scottes]

You should be getting it right in the camera and not relying on PS or other program skills to make it a good photo.

He's not. Check the link for an example of what he's talking about.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Curos,

I think in my tenure here this is the first time this question has been raised.

I like the idea.. but as yet I do not think we have the interest to justify a seperate forum.

My suggestion would be to feel free to share such work in "Share" .. perhaps label it as a photomanipulation.

A: to warn those that would for some odd reason frown on it..
B: To help drum up more interest in the Artform (notice how subtle I am)

If we were to start seeing enough of this sort of art work.. we could then contemplate a new "Photomanipulation" forum.

In the meantime.. show us what you got! :)
There are a few that allready post there "post processing automotive paint jobs" etc...

[IndyJeff]

You should be getting it right in the camera and not relying on PS or other program skills to make it a good photo.

He's not. Check the link for an example of what he's talking about.


Scott your quote from me is out of context. That line of what I said is in regards to what Gu was talking about.
Now to back that up, I don't think Gu was addressing the question as it was intended, if I am reading the question right.

I know what Curos is/was talking about, as for the above quote I was agreeing with Gu about getting it right in the camera but, I am aware of what Curos meant by the manipulation.

[Curos]

So what your saying here is you don't mind stealing someone's property but feel uncomfortable with displaying it where they might see it. Ever thought about asking for permission first?


This one really made me sad for some reason. Check the link i provided, before you accuse me of that. In the description of the manip, I wrote: stock from _____(link to photographer) I know your not familiar with DeviantArt, but many stock photographers their put up their shots for use by anyone, all they ask is a link to them (which i provided) and notification that their stock has been used, which i also provided on her page. Please, ease up and check your facts next time.

[IndyJeff]

I suppose they could go in the Share or Critique forums, but I really don't feel comfortable submitting my manips there, as usually some of the photo's used are not mine.

When you post a statement like that, it says "I am stealing".


edit:
My apologies for accusing you of stealing.

[Curos]

When you post a statement like that, it says "I am stealing".

It does sound like it, and I guess I assumed you all knew that i had given credit where credit was due. I momentarily forgot that DeviantArt and POTN are not affiliated...I blatantly put on my "Deviations" that I have used their stock. Anyways, posted one of my manips, with credit to everyone.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=48275

[iowahawkeye6]

fair enough, it's just my opinion on what photography should be, digital manipulation is just not my thing.

Show me one photo by Ansel Adams which would achieve the same effects as this one: http://www.deviantart.com/view/12306142/

Good luck "making" your photos.


I feel that this is beating a dead horse but Ansel is my hero so I have a comment.

Ansel is well know as a photographer and "master" darkroom tech. They go hand in hand in my opinion. Understanding the the ambient light in the field, how it is captured and then what you can do in the darkroom truley makes a better photographer.

It is my opinion that if Ansel had photoshop in his day he would have mastered it on his laptop "waiting" for just the right moment to release his shutter.
JMHO

[MegaTrixel]

manipulation is mainly for digital illustration or creative arts, ...

Seems to me Curos' image would fit in this description. It's obvious it was not a case of taking a bad photo and trying to make it better in ps.

A lot of people feel photography needs to be as "real" as possible. But I enjoy many of the "manipulated" images I see. IMO, it's as much a creative expression as pure photography.

I'd visit a forum as described by Curos.

My .02

[CyberDyneSystems]

The misconception that photography ..especially as an artform is concerned,.. is about capturing "reality" as close to "the real things" as possible is prevelent...

But it is just that.. a misconception IMHO.

What makes a great photographer is the ability to produce an image that supercedes "the real thing" Good photos tend to render the image in a way that the human eye would never see it.

Think of something as simple as a crop... then think of how freaken huge your eyes feild of view is.... all the thought that goes into composition is a small part of creatig an image that the human eye would not see on it's own. Same with selective DOF... or infinite DOF.. sharpening,.. saturation etc....

If we are any good at all at what we do.. we have started "manipulating" the image long before we release the shutter. Otherwise we are creating nothing.

//end soap box mode....

[Scottes]

If we are any good at all at what we do.. we have started "manipulating" the image long before we release the shutter.


You don't take a photograph, you make it. ~Ansel Adams

[iowahawkeye6]

Well said CDS 8)