CMOS vs Film - Colour Responses

[FlyingPete]

I have recently changed from a film SLR to a 20D (nice!).

The first thing I noticed about the images is the colour is fairly natural, more muted than my G3. Unfortunately most people perceive this response as dull thanks to over saturated films such as Kodak Gold!

Anyway I digress, my question is, how do I mimic (or can I?) the particular responses of different films I have used in the past?

For landscapes I often used Fuji Velvia, for portraits I used Kodak Portra (160VC). Being able to set the 20D up for either of these would be great!

[Malaxos1]

Whne I was using a point and shoot digicam I thought the images were great. I was dissapointed when I got my first DSLR as I thought the photos were flat and murky. While that may be true I do see the advantage. I am now in control and not my camera. I am not sure how to mimic sertain film, but I do play with photos in PS that do look like high saturation film. Just play in PS and you will get it. I guess a few PS pluggins that mimic those types of film would be cool, and perhaps profitable to whoever makes them...Dean

[stevo12886]

I just started using this, and have loved it!
Velvia Photoshop Action
http://share.studio.adobe.com/axAssetDetailSubmit.asp?aID=10062&back=http%3A%2F% 2Fshare%2Estudio%2Eadobe%2Ecom%2FaxQuickSearchSubm it%2Easp%3Ftxt%3Dvelvia%26allprods%3D0%26submit1%2 Ex%3D0%26submit1%2Ey%3D0

[ingouk]

i have seen actions/filters for photoshop that emulate different films
But i cant remember where i saw them. Might have a link on my pc at work. i have a look at work tommorrow.


ingo

[FlyingPete]

I just started using this, and have loved it!
Velvia Photoshop Action
http://share.studio.adobe.com/axAssetDetailSubmit.asp?aID=10062&back=http%3A%2F% 2Fshare%2Estudio%2Eadobe%2Ecom%2FaxQuickSearchSubm it%2Easp%3Ftxt%3Dvelvia%26allprods%3D0%26submit1%2 Ex%3D0%26submit1%2Ey%3D0

Excellent! Thanks for that, I was more interested in the Velvia effect, as the standard response fron the 20D seems simular to Kodak Portra, and is ideal for portrait work.

Now all I need is a custom action that can do cross processing effects!

[drisley]

These (http://homepage.mac.com/pbize1/Scripts/PSAMenu.html) are pretty kewl (they work on mac and windows)

[FlyingPete]

These (http://carpetmunch.net/gallery_cm02_recip02.html) are pretty kewl (they work on mac and windows)

Um, is that the right link, it doesn't look like it :oops:

[drisley]

Haha! Damn popups! :roll:

[FlyingPete]

Haha! darn popups! :roll:

Thats better!!! I won't discuss what that pop up was :shock:

[OviV]

Hey Dris,

I really like those. Thanks.

Ovi

[ChrisNardone]

I just started using this, and have loved it!
Velvia Photoshop Action
http://share.studio.adobe.com/axAssetDetailSubmit.asp?aID=10062&back=http%3A%2F% 2Fshare%2Estudio%2Eadobe%2Ecom%2FaxQuickSearchSubm it%2Easp%3Ftxt%3Dvelvia%26allprods%3D0%26submit1%2 Ex%3D0%26submit1%2Ey%3D0

I am overdue for good color management hardware. Plus I think my 10D has gotten me used to less color saturation. Anyway, my question for people using this velvia action is: what intensity do you set for velvia effect (10 to 100)?

[stevo12886]

it changes for me....but its usually 30-60. I just find any higher way too saturated, but then again....Kodak doesnt give me a choice for in camera processing (darn them!)....so...they're pretty punchy strait out. It'd be alot different for a 10D w/ neutral settings im sure.

[drisley]

I really like this Adobe Velvia Action.
Ulike others, it doesn't equally increase saturation on all colours equally.
I really like what it does to the blues without losing detail in reds, etc.
Nice find!
Flyingpete, sorry about that. Yes, I had popups o' plenty, and copied the url from the wrong window :shock: :lol:
That is not the first time it's happened to me. Very embarassing. I'm downloading SP2 for XP now which is supposed to block popups. :oops:

[FlyingPete]

Flyingpete, sorry about that. Yes, I had popups o' plenty, and copied the url from the wrong window :shock: :lol:
That is not the first time it's happened to me. Very embarassing. I'm downloading SP2 for XP now which is supposed to block popups. :oops:

Try the Google plug in for IE, does pop up blocking and saves you from any 'unpleasant' side effects of SP2 8)

As for the actions, trying them now...

[Malaxos1]

I am having a ton of trouble downloading it. I did sign up but nothing happens when I hit the download link...Dean

[stevo12886]

note: you have to right click and hit save as

[FlyingPete]

I am having a ton of trouble downloading it. I did sign up but nothing happens when I hit the download link...Dean

Try drisley's link, it doesn't require registration, also from my corner of the world, the Adobe site is running real slow!

[Malaxos1]

OK, I downloaded all of the actions, how do I put them in PS?...Dean

[drisley]

To load a set of actions:

Do one of the following:

Choose Load Actions from the Actions palette menu. Locate and select the action set file, and then click Load. (In Windows, Photoshop action set files have the extension .atn.)
Select an action set from the bottom of the Actions palette menu.

[evilenglishman]

I'm surprised no one has suggested increasing the saturation "in camera" through various settings before spending more money :roll: :roll:

[drisley]

EEM, that will only work for JPG, not Raw.
And the good thing is, all the solutions posted above are free! :)

[kennyclark]

I've been trying out the Velvia action on a few of my landscapes this evening and I'm really impressed.

[nosquare2003]

Paul Bleicher has some other actions which are also good (and free).

[evilenglishman]

EEM, that will only work for JPG, not Raw.
And the good thing is, all the solutions posted above are free! :)

raw files taken on my 20D show these settings when loaded

[evilenglishman]

ps. where did flying pete mention raw?

[drisley]

EEM, those settings don't affect Raw at all.
What program are you using? Raw programs each have their own defaults, and are independent of the settings on the camera, which only affect JPGs.

BTW, you are right, raw was not mentioned. :roll:
I think I'm reading too many posts in this forum.

[evilenglishman]

in canon's software if i shoot with black and white/raw the photos come up as black and white.
the same with any of the saturation/contrast etc settings.

Thumbnails also appear this way in photoshop but not the main image which I expect will happen when the plug-in is upgraded to officially support the 20D

[FlyingPete]

Ran these up last night, nice. Here in a local tree the Pokutakawa has started flowering, it is found on most coast line up here and makes an impressive red display against a blue sky, just the job for Velvia or these actions 8)

[drisley]

in canon's software if i shoot with black and white/raw the photos come up as black and white.
the same with any of the saturation/contrast etc settings.

Thumbnails also appear this way in photoshop but not the main image which I expect will happen when the plug-in is upgraded to officially support the 20D
Oh really? Is that EVU software?
I didnt notice that when I tried it, but that may be the case.
Anyway, those settings aren't hard wired into the image, not like a jpg.
They would just be guides for the initial EVU setting.
Other raw software just ignores these settings.

[ChrisNardone]

I have been playing around with this Velvia action on several photos. It's great on landscapes, buildings, wildlife etc. But not as great on portraits etc. Are there other Photoshop actions out there that emulate portrait films or other films?

[drisley]

Are there other Photoshop actions out there that emulate portrait films or other films?
That's a good question. As you said, Velvia doesn't seem to be the best for portrait work.

[FlyingPete]

Are there other Photoshop actions out there that emulate portrait films or other films?
That's a good question. As you said, Velvia doesn't seem to be the best for portrait work.

So far (one week!) I have found the 20D's response to be ideal for portraits, nice and natural colours, not too saturated. I assume the other Canon DSLR's have simular colour response.

[thegary]

Do a search on Virtual Photographer for photoshop...its a plugin and its free. It does quite the amount of effects, and emulates film types , and gives you control over saturations and levels...


You can then tweak with photoshop levels and saturation to get your final effect.

Hope this helps.

Thegary
Canon Black 300D

[nosquare2003]

I have been playing around with this Velvia action on several photos. It's great on landscapes, buildings, wildlife etc. But not as great on portraits etc. Are there other Photoshop actions out there that emulate portrait films or other films?

Another action from Paul Bleicher:

http://home.comcast.net/~bleicher/

[drisley]

Thanks nosquare and gary! :D