Official Automotive Rigs - DIY Thread

[moacur]

Not bad! Thanks :D

[PTHONG]

no problem, i'm just practicing till i can finish mine ;). Looks like i'm going to do the magnet/clamp setup instead, its tough cloning through tree's and buildings :lol:

[99allturbo]

Finally had a chance to test the rig out. Here is one of the shots:

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd127/CYPhoto_album/Automotive/IMG_1735_comp_image_3.jpg

[JustinL]

that's what i'm talking about!!! Sick work dude!!!

[JustinL]

no problem, i'm just practicing till i can finish mine ;). Looks like i'm going to do the magnet/clamp setup instead, its tough cloning through tree's and buildings :lol:

trees aren't that bad if you get enough blur --you can clone like a wild little league southpaw!!!

[CorzyPhoto]

moacur - What lens are you using for these?

[moacur]

Sigma 10-20

[CorzyPhoto]

I need to get me one of those... My kit lens is making me extend my rig out too far.

[moacur]

It is definitely a great lens to have in the bag..

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=143064&highlight=sigma+10-20

Plus it works great for rig shots.. 10mm is WIDE!

[CorzyPhoto]

http://i30.tinypic.com/29qejjc.jpg

http://i29.tinypic.com/2ikta92.jpg

[PTHONG]

looks good, i see you shot at a lower iso this time, should throw a driver in next time :D

[CorzyPhoto]

Thanks
:lol: My driver (me) was pushing

A more desaturated version of the 2nd one.
http://i32.tinypic.com/fawhma.jpg

[Thameth]

Hey Corzy, I have a Sigma 10-20mm. Let me know next time your gonna do a shoot and I'll try and pass by. Maybe we can do a quick shoot of my MINI....:D

[99allturbo]

that's what i'm talking about!!! Sick work dude!!!


Thanks Justin.

[moacur]

Went out and tried a few more last night. Now I just need photoshop so I can remove the rigs.. I'm pretty happy with the results.
This is me by myself.. Setting the 10sec. timer, running and jumping in the car and driving :D Can't wait to see the difference in quality when I have my shutter cable and someone else to drive the car!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3116/2645959650_11971baa4c_o.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3053/2645133911_f8f78cf5fa_o.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3043/2645134183_247e318a21_o.jpg

[aridan]

Finally had a chance to test the rig out. Here is one of the shots:

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd127/CYPhoto_album/Automotive/IMG_1735_comp_image_3.jpg

Now, that blur is right on the money!

[rich_cooper]

Think im going to give it a go and make a rig

And then learn to use photoshop so i can remove the rig from the photos!

[99allturbo]

Now, that blur is right on the money!


Thanks. :)

[Mike Bowen]

OK, so here as promised, are my 'behind the scenes' pics.

Pretty basic and almost identical to Dean's rig with the exception of the type of pole used and minus the magic arm.

Components:

1 x 8'-16' extensible painter's pole |lightweight| - $44
2 x Avenger F1000 suction cups - $97
3 x Manfrotto super clamps - $75
1 x Manfrotto 484 Micro ball head - $45

Total Cost: $261 :)



I'm copying you. :D

I just ordered the suction cups, clamps and 484 head. Should all be here by Friday. Just gotta go find the painters pole now..I'm assuming you just got it at a Home Depot type store?

[aridan]

I'm copying you. :D

I just ordered the suction cups, clamps and 484 head. Should all be here by Friday. Just gotta go find the painters pole now..I'm assuming you just got it at a Home Depot type store?

HOLD YOUR HORSES!!!! (Note to self: need to update the shopping list)

Drop the painter's pole - it's garbage. The bounce on it was too much. Instead, I returned it and picked up a 10' EMT pole from Home Depot. Cost was $7.69 IIRC - should be in the electrical dept.

Good luck and don't forget to post some pics! :D

[Mike Bowen]

HOLD YOUR HORSES!!!! (Note to self: need to update the shopping list)

Drop the painter's pole - it's garbage. The bounce on it was too much. Instead, I returned it and picked up a 10' EMT pole from Home Depot. Cost was $7.69 IIRC - should be in the electrical dept.

Good luck and don't forget to post some pics! :D


Well I'm glad you saw this, that will save me some money! Thanks for the tip.

What is that made out of, aluminum? What does EMT stand for so I don't look like a total idiot at the store :)

[CorzyPhoto]

:lol: I'm sure they would know what EMT is... If not, they will be an idiot with you :)

[Mike Bowen]

Oh is it just the stuff used for like electrical conduit? Also are there different diameters and/or gauges of the tubing..if so which one did you use?

[SeanDinner]

Ordered my stuff from Adorama this morning! I'm exited!

The benefit to living on a farm is there's always junk around... so, I was able to find some sturdy lightweight(ish) poles to connect together for $0!

[CorzyPhoto]

I'm using aluminum piping (not EMT), but I would go with a larger diameter if you can. I would get anything more than 1 1/2" diameter. If you get a smaller diameter, try to choose one with a thicker side wall.

[aridan]

Well I'm glad you saw this, that will save me some money! Thanks for the tip.

What is that made out of, aluminum? What does EMT stand for so I don't look like a total idiot at the store :)

EMT stands for Electrical Metallic Tubing. It is used for conduits to run wires. Go to your nearest Home Depot and check out the electrical section. you will them in various lengths and thicknesses. I wish I could tell you the thickness but I simply don't remember. :confused:

[aridan]

Went out and tried a few more last night. Now I just need photoshop so I can remove the rigs.. I'm pretty happy with the results.
This is me by myself.. Setting the 10sec. timer, running and jumping in the car and driving :D Can't wait to see the difference in quality when I have my shutter cable and someone else to drive the car!

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3116/2645959650_11971baa4c_o.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3053/2645133911_f8f78cf5fa_o.jpg


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3043/2645134183_247e318a21_o.jpg

Good stuff. Pretty sharp considering you had to trip the camera run back to the car, shut the door and start driving... When I shut the door, the whole damn pole would start bouncing. :mad: I had to sit there for a good 1 minute to wait for the thing to stabilize before I could take the shot.

[moacur]

Thanks! It can only get better from here I'm assuming :cool:

[JustinL]

Good stuff. Pretty sharp considering you had to trip the camera run back to the car, shut the door and start driving... When I shut the door, the whole damn pole would start bouncing. :mad: I had to sit there for a good 1 minute to wait for the thing to stabilize before I could take the shot.

Exactly what I thought when he was saying he had to hit the 10 second timer.

(Buy some PW's);)

[99allturbo]

Nice job moacur.

PWs and shutter release cable work great. Makes your job easier. I know, PWs are not cheap, but are worth it.

[CorzyPhoto]

Skyports are a cheaper alternative that a lot of people are happy with.

[CorzyPhoto]

That said, I don't see why PW or Skyports would even help with this?

[Zilly]

That said, I don't see why PW or Skyports would even help with this?

to remote tigger the camera as you drive or push it along

[CorzyPhoto]

PWs are used to trigger flashes, no?

You can just get a wireless remote for the camera's shutter...

[TomTomTuning]

PWs are used to trigger flashes, no?

You can just get a wireless remote for the camera's shutter...
You can use PW's to trigger a camera well. Just need a different cable.

You can also get cheap Wireless shutter triggers on eBay as well.

But the Cameras like the 40D dont have the OEM wireless like some of the rebels

[Zilly]

PWs are used to trigger flashes, no?

You can just get a wireless remote for the camera's shutter...

they also trigger cameras as do skyports and getto triggers

wirelss trigger for a 1 series is £300 and is only ir so pw work out a cheeper more versatile and more effective alternative

CLICK to see how its done (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=479526)

[CorzyPhoto]

Ah, I thought all Canon DSLRs have the wireless infrared sensor for the shutter.

[Zilly]

Ah, I thought all Canon DSLRs have the wireless infrared sensor for the shutter.

nope its a pita when you get to the top end series :rolleyes:

[CorzyPhoto]

They figure you can afford it or don't need a 40D for rig shots :lol:.

[aridan]

Skyports are a cheaper alternative that a lot of people are happy with.

Not even that.

Just get yourself the generic Phottix wireless remote from eBay. Best bang for the buck!

[moacur]

Excuse my noobiness....What does PW stand for?

I did order a wireless remote off of ebay about a week ago after reading someone's review of it for the 40d. Should be here in the next day or two..

[Zilly]

PW- pocket wizard

[moacur]

Sounds kinky :lol:

[Zilly]

oooh it can press all of your buttons (from over 100ft)
CLICK (http://www.pocketwizard.com/)

[Katbird]

I REALLY wish I bought a monopod/tripod combo but since I bought the Manfrotto 679B for my S3IS does anyone have a fairly ez idea how to creat lightweight legs for the monopod. I have thought about slicing a nerf ball in half then inserting the single leg into it's center and stepping on it for stability but that may look pretty stupid in public. I don't plan on leaving it unattended I could just use some stability while changing batteries, SD card or telelenses. Thanks in advance.

[Katbird]

OOPS... Sorry I posted in the wrong place. I also don't know how to remove it.

[CorzyPhoto]

PWs can have a range up to 1600 ft...

Taken directly from their website:
"PocketWizard’s MultiMAX Transceiver contains many of the features found in the PocketWizard Plus II including advanced wireless transceiver technology, multi-channel switching, sustained 12 frames-per-second high-speed triggering, and a range of up to 1600’ between transceivers."

[JustinL]

oooh it can press all of your buttons (from over 100ft)
CLICK (http://www.pocketwizard.com/)

About 1600 ft!

http://www.sportsshooter.com/news/1355

[CorzyPhoto]

Lay-mo... I already posted that Justin.. LOL

[aridan]

I did order a wireless remote off of ebay about a week ago after reading someone's review of it for the 40d. Should be here in the next day or two..

And that's all you need.

A Pocket Wizard receiver+transmitter will run you almost $300 - a waste of money if all you are looking for is triggering the camera remotely.

[JustinL]

Lay-mo... I already posted that Justin.. LOL

You also posted this:

PWs are used to trigger flashes, no?

You can just get a wireless remote for the camera's shutter...

:lol:

Get a set, they're worth every penny, trust me.

[JasonPerryPhoto]

Just wanted to get some quick feedback on my material selection for my pump cup rig that I am putting together. I found 1" square aluminum tubing w/ 1/8" wall for a moderately reasonable price. I was curious as to whether or not anyone else has used this material and what kind of results they had seen out of it. I am planning on using the cables and building a cantilever support and counterweighting it as well. Rig will consist of the Avenger cups, three Super Clamps and a Magic Arm.

Regarding the previous posts and the PW's... You can fire cameras or flashes with them. Yes, they ARE expensive but they are absolutely one of the best investments you will make for your setup. I initially bought two and within a months time I bought three more to power all of my Speedlites. I can't wait to use them with my rig and see what kind of shots we can get.

[Zilly]

tubular will always be stronger and lighter than square also less chance of metal fatigue

[JasonPerryPhoto]

tubular will always be stronger and lighter than square also less chance of metal fatigue


Hmmm... I would hate to say "always". If that were so they would put round connecting rods in engines where much lateral stress is seen. Although, round does enjoy much more torsional strength.

[CorzyPhoto]

Do you mean circular is more than square tubing? Square can be tubular, too..

Jason, I would go with a larger square tubing if you must use square tubing. For sturdiness, I would go with circular aluminum tubing at least 1 1/2 inch Dia.

As said before, you can go to Home Depot or Lowe's and purchase EMT, which is used for electrical conduit, and it's circular.

I'm not stopping you from getting the square tubing for cheap, go for it... but you will probably be better off with a larger tube.

[BIGTUFFGUY]

i bought both circle and square tubing the same thickness and size. The square one flexed a lot less.

[JasonPerryPhoto]

From experience, I am convinced that square tubing of a given diameter and wall thickness will be laterally stronger than round tubing of a similar size. Thus, better suited for this job. My primary concern is how the material will handle this much bob weight. I haven't really done anything on this scale before and just wanted to know where to start with my tubing size. Corzy, I think I can get my hands on some 1.500" as well. Thanks.

I looked at EMT. Too heavy or too flexible. I don't mind spending the money on getting a better material. I would like to get this thing as right as I can from the start.

[CorzyPhoto]

It may have been a different metal?

[CorzyPhoto]

Jason, I actually have extra aluminum tubing if you're interested. I have a buyer, but he hasn't really acted on it yet. If he doesn't respond in the next couple days I'll let you know.

[kona77]

I have worked with a metal specialist and the square tubing has less flex and is stronger. The only reason why you see round in race cars is because you can bend it. For straight shots square is the way to go. I am still tinkering with my set up and when I can actually post a shot I will also show the rig.

[CorzyPhoto]

LMAO. Will do man. Get your Paypal prepared :)

[CorzyPhoto]

I just told him he has till today to pay or he's loosing the deal.

[JasonPerryPhoto]

Before I get all excited here, tell me exactly what you have.

[CorzyPhoto]

Keep getting excited, you have a PM ;)

[n1nj4 m0d3]

I think I can get my hands on some 1.500" as well.

1.5" will work well. i think my circular pole is 1.5" also and the pole works for me. rectangular tubing is stronger than circular tubing. i learned that in middle school :p. the only reason why i stuck with circular tubing is because they don't make rectangular painters poles :(

[CorzyPhoto]

Remember, rectangular tubing tends to have more mass which may also mean it's heavier than circular tubing :p

[moacur]

Question for all. Hope you don't mind that I ask it here. I got my first copy of Photoshop today. It is CS2 version 9.
On photoshop.. How would you go abouts removing the rig :confused:

[CorzyPhoto]

Use the cloning tool.

Hold Alt and select an area that you would like the pole to look like (sky or pavement).
After that let go of the Alt key and click where the pole is. I'm sure you can figure out the rest.

[n1nj4 m0d3]

Question for all. Hope you don't mind that I ask it here. I got my first copy of Photoshop today. It is CS2 version 9.
On photoshop.. How would you go abouts removing the rig :confused:

http://www.photoshopsupport.com/tutorials/lesa-snider-king/removing-powerlines-spot-healing-brush.html

different purpose, same idea :)

that site's very useful. you should def take a look at it if you're a noob at photoshop :)

this video is super helpful also :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWn0lxRNqos

[n1nj4 m0d3]

some other nice videos :)

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_X5uR7VC4M

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXeZ0s8DXZ0

Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWn0lxRNqos

Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNfBF2xvhaE

Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-8hQh6hdnI

Part 6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lys2MxjzE94

Part 7: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EKAtO4Anxc

Part 8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRnrKzOrp7M

Part 9: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13KelrbkGpI

Part 10: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH6-twlgJhU

Part 11: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l309y6i9azc

[moacur]

Thanks for the links guys..

That first video is Hilarious. My wife and I were just cracking up :lol: It does a good job at showing how to work the tools too :cool:

Here is my first rough go at it before watching the video...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3045/2654257270_84d17c5186_o.jpg

[disboifan]

some other nice videos :)

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_X5uR7VC4M

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXeZ0s8DXZ0

Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWn0lxRNqos

Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNfBF2xvhaE

Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-8hQh6hdnI

Part 6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lys2MxjzE94

Part 7: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EKAtO4Anxc

Part 8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRnrKzOrp7M

Part 9: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13KelrbkGpI

Part 10: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH6-twlgJhU

Part 11: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l309y6i9azc

lol hilarious

[PTHONG]

doesn't that guy sound like Dane Cook? :lol: I've watched some of his vids before, its hilarous :lol:

[JustinL]

Thanks for the links guys..

That first video is Hilarious. My wife and I were just cracking up :lol: It does a good job at showing how to work the tools too :cool:

Here is my first rough go at it before watching the video...



Excellent job dude! I was worried about that when I saw your original. I think you did a better job that I would have!

[moacur]

Thanks Justin :cool:

[PTHONG]

Thanks for the links guys..

That first video is Hilarious. My wife and I were just cracking up :lol: It does a good job at showing how to work the tools too :cool:

Here is my first rough go at it before watching the video...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3045/2654257270_84d17c5186_o.jpg

Good for a first try, As you can see, you can tell where you edited it out.

[moacur]

Yup :D That was a rough first try.. I've got some better ones now after watching the videos on the blending and what not :cool:

[CorzyPhoto]

http://i34.tinypic.com/2d82smb.jpg

[Thameth]

Nice shot Corzy.... :lol::D:p

Hehe, people should check his EXIF time vs his post time....

[CorzyPhoto]

Another:

http://i37.tinypic.com/biv89.jpg

[Thameth]

That one came out sweet...

[aridan]

Another:

http://i37.tinypic.com/biv89.jpg

Very nice! I don't know why, but the angle on this one makes it look like it's caught drifting :D

[CorzyPhoto]

:lol: I told that to Joe with the first pic.

[CorzyPhoto]

http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=22001.0;attach=292 33;image

:cool:

[PTHONG]

nice shots there Corzy, your last post shows no image ???

[CorzyPhoto]

I'll have to post that one later. I can't upload at work, so I tried going through a forum and uploading the pic there as an attachment to use the link. It shows up fine for me... maybe because I'm logged onto the forum..

[CorzyPhoto]

Here's the one that wasn't working:

http://i33.tinypic.com/34opq4p.jpg

[n1nj4 m0d3]

^wow! awesome job :)

[Thameth]

Great job with the rig removal Corzy! I will have to keep practicing but I kept getting a muddy mess with all the shadows the rig caused. Now I can't remember, was that photo going forward or backwards?? :lol:

My MINI finally makes its POTN debut! :D

[CorzyPhoto]

:lol: I think that one was going forward like .000064 mph

The cloning takes practice I guess. You have to look at the surrounding shades and shadows/highlights so you can get a good blend.

[PhotosGuy]

The whole thing now measures 12ft + Put a sail on that & save gas! ;)

[aridan]

Here's the one that wasn't working:

http://i33.tinypic.com/34opq4p.jpg

Excellent work!

Where do you guys find these covered garages? When I tried to pull something like that last time, I got swooped on by security within minutes. :rolleyes:

[n1nj4 m0d3]

Where do you guys find these covered garages?
i would guess miami?
:p

[CorzyPhoto]

i would guess miami?
:p


There are plenty of garages around here...

BUT.. this one the security was cool with it until the night shift and all the mall employees (mostly women) got freaked out from my poles. :lol: So they told security and security was like just sit here and chill till they all leave. So we did, next thing you know a real cop shows up. She was fine with it too, but she said the mall security told her that they told us to leave and we didn't.... :rolleyes: Rent-a-Cops......

[SeanDinner]

Just got all of my stuff today! Going to test up the fitting and everything! I'm very impressed with Adorama. Got an email saying the Avenger cups were backorder, should be 10-14 days....crap. 2 days later they said it's shipped, I thought maybe everything but the cups, but the order said everything....2 days later (today) I get the order with everything! Woo hoo! Super-excited. Good job Adorama and FedEx!

[aridan]

Just got all of my stuff today! Going to test up the fitting and everything! I'm very impressed with Adorama. Got an email saying the Avenger cups were backorder, should be 10-14 days....crap. 2 days later they said it's shipped, I thought maybe everything but the cups, but the order said everything....2 days later (today) I get the order with everything! Woo hoo! Super-excited. Good job Adorama and FedEx!

Now the question is:

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING ON THE WEB??!?!?

GET TO WORK! :evil:

:D:D:D

[JasonPerryPhoto]

So, I too got my pump cups in today. One of them wont draw enough vacuum to hide the red line on the piston. I have read about this before on the avengers... Any input???

[JustinL]

Return the broken one for another right away.

[JasonPerryPhoto]

Kinda my first thought... Just wondered if anyone has had similar failures or problems with theirs, new or not. I could switch over to a Woods setup without incurring too much more expense.

[gixxer_kidd]

Here's a pic that was done in joint collaboration with my buddy Jan a few years back. We rigged it from beneath the driver side. It was our first rig shot. We really didn't kow what we were doing. Took a bunch to get this one. Jan took care of all the chopping. This is the best pic we ever took of my car. Too bad it's long gone now...I'm working on a new rig right now and should have some new pics up soon.

-Thai


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2069/2659622958_591ef7d1cb_o.jpg

[Mike Bowen]

great shot!

[Brennan.M]

I dont know about trustin a rig with my camera lol. I know everyone does fine but still, Ill probly end up doin it sooner or later lol

[PTHONG]

nice job on the mini corzy. Amazing shot above on the 3 series bimmer

[Brennan.M]

M3 ftw

[CorzyPhoto]

Thanks :)

Definately looks like a M3..
Nice shot though, has a little shake but not much.

[Thameth]

Thanks :)

Definately looks like a M3..
Nice shot though, has a little shake but not much.

Next time we go Rig shooting we'll have to try and get a shot like that M3 shot! I'll also have to clean up the MINI :lol:

[CorzyPhoto]

We could've had a shot like that if we didn't have those bumps :lol:

[aridan]

Here's a pic that was done in joint collaboration with my buddy Jan a few years back. We rigged it from beneath the driver side. It was our first rig shot. We really didn't kow what we were doing. Took a bunch to get this one. Jan took care of all the chopping. This is the best pic we ever took of my car. Too bad it's long gone now...I'm working on a new rig right now and should have some new pics up soon.

-Thai


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2069/2659622958_591ef7d1cb_o.jpg

Awesome shot! Gotta love the Brembos! :D

[vegasboy]

amazing thread

[GTI]

This thread is so active, I figured I might as well post a picture here.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh205/Caspita33/20080606_BrettDavid_0057web.jpg
dude.the pics are verry nice but i dont think the motion pic will work without a driver!!

[Mike Bowen]

well it's still way too bright out right now, and this picture was extremely over exposed. I was just testing it out to make sure it wasn't bouncing around too much, and it looks good. This was a rather short exposure, only 1 sec so i am going to have to wait a few more hours before I try again when its darker, but I was excited so i had to post. :)

http://www.imgtree.net/files/b6b0s87cyfhbu10r9dg7.jpg

[JustinL]

Mike look into some ND filters, they'll allow you to shoot these slower shutter speeds during daylight. I'm looking toward to seeing more from you!

[Mike Bowen]

Yeah I know...they are on my todo list. I don't image I would ever been shooting like this during the day tho...just more of testing it out right now.

[CorzyPhoto]

Justin, I would suggest a GRADUATED ND filter more than just any ND filter...

[Mike Bowen]

well took some more...i think i have learned my lesson already as far as shooting and knowning what my background was. this is my first time ever cloning out something so obtrusive so pardon the crappy clone job on the house. but exposure is much better this time.

http://www.imgtree.net/files/zu3yfphjf6g8ycc105ys.jpg

Also a shot of the rig

http://www.imgtree.net/files/o90ca5vvlh1x46w2lyy7.jpg

[SeanDinner]

Hey guys and gals, this may help some of you when photoshopping out the rigs: http://mattwatkinson.com/blog/?p=60

(Basically, it says take the rig shot, then take a shot of the car still [without the rig :P] put them together in Photoshop, use the areas from the still shot to replace the rig on the rig shot) Easy!

P.S. Still working on mine, should hopefully get some pics up tomorrow if the weather cooperates.

[CorzyPhoto]

flap - It appears you have no shake. Are you pushing the car? Congrats on finishing the rig.

[Mike Bowen]

flap - It appears you have no shake. Are you pushing the car? Congrats on finishing the rig.


No, what i did it just get in the car, start it up and just get it rolling til about 5mph and turn the car off and let it coast. i take the picture a few seconds after the car is off and the camera seems to settle down. I have a few pictures where you can see the shake but most of them came out pretty good as far as that goes.

[aridan]

Good stuff flap, what's that yellow cable sticking out of the driver's door in your first garage shot? :)

[PTHONG]

Hey guys and gals, this may help some of you when photoshopping out the rigs: http://mattwatkinson.com/blog/?p=60

(Basically, it says take the rig shot, then take a shot of the car still [without the rig :P] put them together in Photoshop, use the areas from the still shot to replace the rig on the rig shot) Easy!

P.S. Still working on mine, should hopefully get some pics up tomorrow if the weather cooperates.
but then if you replace the backround from the still, you lose the motion??
Good stuff flap, what's that yellow cable sticking out of the driver's door in your first garage shot? :)
emergency stop cable?? :lol: Nice shot on your second attempt, i would have cloned out those yellow reflections on the car though.

[Zilly]

but then if you replace the backround from the still, you lose the motion??


he only uses the still shot to remove the rig and reflections from the car the blur is eas y enough to clone over

[aridan]

he only uses the still shot to remove the rig and reflections from the car the blur is eas y enough to clone over

I still opt to go with the manual, more tedious way of cloning out the rig. Yes, it may involve more work and time, but I don't see how with the cut and paste technique, you would paste a static car on a moving, blurred background. Those blurred backgrounds reflect on the car, and if you don't see those smudged reflections on what otherwise looks like a moving car (you see static reflections), I don't see how this approach can possibly work. :confused:

[Zilly]

I still opt to go with the manual, more tedious way of cloning out the rig. Yes, it may involve more work and time, but I don't see how with the cut and paste technique, you would paste a static car on a moving, blurred background. Those blurred backgrounds reflect on the car, and if you don't see those smudged reflections on what otherwise looks like a moving car (you see static reflections), I don't see how this approach can possibly work. :confused:

place the rig in the right places and the reflection should look like its moving
also just use a CPL to remove the reflections

[JustinL]

Justin, I would suggest a GRADUATED ND filter more than just any ND filter...

Yea I know, you've said that before. I'm preaching on what equipment I have or have used at one point, and the regular ND's work fine for me.

[Zilly]

why would you want a nd grad its going to unblallance the exposure across the frame ?

[CorzyPhoto]

It will darken the sky to show more detail in the clouds when you have the darker portion of the filter on the top.

[Zilly]

It will darken the sky to show more detail in the clouds when you have the darker portion of the filter on the top.

thats how they normaly work ;) but why would you want to use one for rig work you want to darken the entire scene so that the entire exposure drops thus allowing you to use a slower shutter speed

[be_good]

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s101/be_good_customs/_MG_6301.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s101/be_good_customs/_MG_6299.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s101/be_good_customs/_MG_6293.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s101/be_good_customs/_MG_6287.jpg
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s101/be_good_customs/_MG_6291.jpg
here are mine. i just used two suction cups, and a pole from a tree saw. :lol:

[Mark1]

Good job, just very uneven color ballence.

...but why would you want to use one for rig work you want to darken the entire scene so that the entire exposure drops thus allowing you to use a slower shutter speed

Simple, the entire frame may not need to be lowered. OR should not be lowered evenly.

[Zilly]

Good job, just very uneven color ballence.



Simple, the entire frame may not need to be lowered. OR should not be lowered evenly.

but if your shooting at say 3 oclock in the afternoon and your getting 100th of a second at f9 then a 0.9 nd filter will give you 1/13th of a second shutter speed at f9 in contrast to a nd grad that will still give you 100th of a second at f9 but the sky will be under exposed by three stops which altho will look really nice with some killer skys its not going to help drop over all light levels to allow you to lengthen the shutter time

[Mike Bowen]

Good stuff flap, what's that yellow cable sticking out of the driver's door in your first garage shot? :)

Its my shutter release cable, I extended it with a cable I had laying around so I could trigger the shutter from inside the car.

[Mark1]

It still comes down to... Do you need the entire frame to be cut down? Or do you need it evened out? What exposure you are getting is not relevant. The only part that counts is, is it an even exposure. Day shot... cut the sky to even it out. Possibly even stack it with a regular ND. No different than you would doing a landscape. At night, use it to cut the lit signs and streetlights.

Its about geting a quality exposure that is evenly exposed. Its not about trying to get a specific exposure.

[JustinL]

It still comes down to... Do you need the entire frame to be cut down? Or do you need it evened out? What exposure you are getting is not relevant. The only part that counts is, is it an even exposure. Day shot... cut the sky to even it out. Possibly even stack it with a regular ND. No different than you would doing a landscape. At night, use it to cut the lit signs and streetlights.

Its about geting a quality exposure that is evenly exposed. Its not about trying to get a specific exposure.


THANK YOU:)

[Zilly]

It still comes down to... Do you need the entire frame to be cut down? Or do you need it evened out? What exposure you are getting is not relevant. The only part that counts is, is it an even exposure. Day shot... cut the sky to even it out. Possibly even stack it with a regular ND. No different than you would doing a landscape. At night, use it to cut the lit signs and streetlights.

Its about geting a quality exposure that is evenly exposed. Its not about trying to get a specific exposure.

the priority of doing a rig shot is to get the shutter slow enough so that you can induce movement after that you can then start to worry about balancing the exposure across the frame

[TomTomTuning]

Here's a pic that was done in joint collaboration with my buddy Jan a few years back. We rigged it from beneath the driver side. It was our first rig shot. We really didn't kow what we were doing. Took a bunch to get this one. Jan took care of all the chopping. This is the best pic we ever took of my car. Too bad it's long gone now...I'm working on a new rig right now and should have some new pics up soon.

-Thai


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2069/2659622958_591ef7d1cb_o.jpg
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Thai, didnt know u were on potn as well. Its Tom btw

This shot is bad ass!!

[PTHONG]

he only uses the still shot to remove the rig and reflections from the car the blur is eas y enough to clone over

it actually isn't too bad cloning it out. But as someone else stated, you still don't have the motion blur reflecting off the car. Yeah you can use a CPL, but what if its not on hand. And besides you would need to stand at the same spot to get the same angle to be able to cut and paste, IMO its much easier to do the standard method of cloning it out.

[CorzyPhoto]

If you are going to cut down the entire frame, you might as well not use a filter at all. You can use f/22 with a longer shutter...

[Todd Good]

I don't know if its been mentioned yet, but what seems to be a good shutter speed while using a rig. I know the longer the shutter the more moment you get, but I'm taking a guess that a 1.5 second shutter speed would be a pretty good one? Thoughts?

[CorzyPhoto]

It really depends how fast you are going. A lot of guys here are pushing their car at about .5-2 mph... Going that fast you should use about a 2 second shutter and depending on how bright it is outside, use f/9+. Of course if it's brighter, use a more narrow aperture.

[Zilly]

It really depends how fast you are going. A lot of guys here are pushing their car at about .5-2 mph... Going that fast you should use about a 2 second shutter and depending on how bright it is outside, use f/9+. Of course if it's brighter, use a more narrow aperture.

or a nd filter . . . . .

[romasas]

aa I buy new lens and, made new foto : :)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3284/2651163182_6debe9cc4d_b.jpg

[Mike Bowen]

romasas, can you post an unprocessed photo with the rig still in it? nice pic btw

[romasas]

romasas, can you post an unprocessed photo with the rig still in it? nice pic btw


ooo sorry, have deleted.

[PTHONG]

Looks great. You should clone out the sensor dust

[aridan]

aa I buy new lens and, made new foto : :)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3284/2651163182_6debe9cc4d_b.jpg

Good amount of blur. Just right.

[Mark1]

the priority of doing a rig shot is to get the shutter slow enough so that you can induce movement after that you can then start to worry about balancing the exposure across the frame


Symantics here but.... Its not priorty, its intention. And you are not able to do this in one step? It should be. At the most 2 parts of 1 step. You should not have to work the problem twice to get an answer. Its 1 problem with two halves. 1. How far off do you want the background from the subject. 2 Where does the subject need to be. If you need a reg ND then fine. But the sky is still equally too bright as it was before you added the regular ND. Now stack a GND, or replace it with the GND, and the sky falls where you want it.

As mentioned above some just close down the appature, some throw in a ND. Neither is wrong. My only point is that there are times where you need a GND to obtain the best shot..

[CorzyPhoto]

or a nd filter . . . . .

Why would you spend ~$50 on something you can control with aperture? I mean unless you have other uses for it, go ahead and get it, but it's just unecessary in my eyes for rig shots. I would rather do the graduated nd before the nd anyways.

[CorzyPhoto]

romasas - Nice shot! I would clone out the sensor dust, though.

[JustinL]

If you are going to cut down the entire frame, you might as well not use a filter at all. You can use f/22 with a longer shutter...

Use something like f22 and you'll be cloning every little spec out of the photo AND the rig. ND filters are key. I can shoot at high noon and not have to go anywhere near an f22.

[CorzyPhoto]

Keep your sensor clean then? :lol: