Official Automotive Rigs - DIY Thread [Archive] - Page 5

Mike Bowen

15th of July 2008 (Tue), 02:22

I'm not trying to be a smart ass or anything, as I bought this camera body used I have always wondered if there was any dust on my sensor, i searched over this picture and couldnt find any, as it was shot at f/22....do you guys see anything?

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=5906275&postcount=565

disboifan

15th of July 2008 (Tue), 04:37

i suck at teh cloning. please critique.
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee291/disboifan/IMG_0141.jpg

disboifan

15th of July 2008 (Tue), 04:39

Allthegearnoidea

15th of July 2008 (Tue), 05:20

Hi Guys, After a lot of overtime I have bought a Hague rig.
http://www.b-hague.co.uk/camera_suction_pads_vacuum_mounts.htm (SM8 Kit)
I also have some money saved up for a lens so if anyone could recommend one for rig photography that would be great. As soon as I have the lens I will post some pictures. Thanks in advance.
I am in awe of the photos that I have seen on this thread and I hope I can compare favourably.
P.S. Sorry to any english photographers on here it's my fault the weather is rubbish at the moment as I have bought my rig, polished my car(Suzuki Swift 1.5 GLX), and had my camera cleaned

JustinL

15th of July 2008 (Tue), 10:19

I think you wanted to get the SM11 but I think the SM8 can work as well. What's your budget for a lens?

Allthegearnoidea

15th of July 2008 (Tue), 11:16

I think you wanted to get the SM11 but I think the SM8 can work as well. What's your budget for a lens?
Hi Justin, I thought about the SM11 but thought I could get a better variety of shots with the 8(we shall have to see!!;)) My budget for the lens is up to about £900. Thanks for the reply

SnowManZ

15th of July 2008 (Tue), 14:21

16-35 or a 17-40

Allthegearnoidea

15th of July 2008 (Tue), 14:26

16-35 or a 17-40
Thank you I will look into your sugestions now:grin:

JustinL

15th of July 2008 (Tue), 15:51

n1nj4 m0d3

15th of July 2008 (Tue), 15:58

Maybe an Ultra Wide Angle lens would be something you want. It depends on how far out the boom comes from the car, and how much distortion you want. I just think for your particular rig set up, that might not be wide enough.
i agree. the only 3 lenses i would consider for rig shots are canon 10-22mm, sigma 10-20mm, and tokina 11-16mm.

danh, try using a cp to reduce the glare on the passenger window, and go for a faster shutter (helps to reduce vibration). maybe a 1-1.5 sec shutter? otherwise that's a sweet angle and a nice try for a first timer :p

disboifan

15th of July 2008 (Tue), 16:03

thanks n1nj4 m0d3! believe it or not i did have a cpl... i just didn't turn it the right way =/
i hope to be at your level of rig shots lol

PTHONG

15th of July 2008 (Tue), 19:27

Theres just a slight bit of bounce in the picture there. Still a good shot.

Thameth

15th of July 2008 (Tue), 21:51

Why would you spend ~$50 on something you can control with aperture? I mean unless you have other uses for it, go ahead and get it, but it's just unecessary in my eyes for rig shots. I would rather do the graduated nd before the nd anyways.

Corzy,

Maybe I'm missing something but I don't understand when you keep bringing this up. I've had multiple times when trying to do panning at 1/100 around 1pm at f22 and the shots were blown out because I didn't have a CP or ND around the lens wouldn't close any further. How do you expect to get a 1-2sec exposure in the middle of the day without stopping down the lens? The iris can only close so much before the shot will take in too much light.

CorzyPhoto

15th of July 2008 (Tue), 22:00

What I ment to say was that a GND would be a better choice than a regular ND...

JustinL

15th of July 2008 (Tue), 23:27

What I ment to say was that a GND would be a better choice than a regular ND...

Like I said, in a perfect world where your sky would be taking up exactly one half of the image a Grad ND would be a better choice over an ND. Can you find me any rig shots that do this?

CorzyPhoto

15th of July 2008 (Tue), 23:39

Justin, you do realize that's why there is a soft vs. hard GNDs with different darknesses. My choice would be to use a soft .9 GND... Why? Because it's easier to blend the "horizon" in your pictures. Center your subject and line up the GND with the "horizon" every time and I don't see what the big deal is... You can always crop your picture later..

Thameth

15th of July 2008 (Tue), 23:40

I don't know Corzy, I tend to agree with Justin. It seems like a good idea and may work sometimes. But for mid day rig shots your better off shooting with ND's and later photoshopping in the GD effect. Shoot RAW, expose for Sky and bring up the car in post....

I'm down for trying it though one day if you want, we just gotta pick up a GD filter.

Mark1

16th of July 2008 (Wed), 00:37

Like I said, in a perfect world where your sky would be taking up exactly one half of the image a Grad ND would be a better choice over an ND. Can you find me any rig shots that do this?

Why does it have to be half of the image? Just slide up/down the filter to be where you need it.

Mark1

16th of July 2008 (Wed), 01:11

I just realized you probably have a screw on GND. I'd ebay it rather quickley as they are useless. Get the Cokin slide in filters. You are able to put the grad where ever you want in the frame.

mccoy_03

16th of July 2008 (Wed), 06:47

aa I buy new lens and, made new foto : :)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3284/2651163182_6debe9cc4d_b.jpg

Just remove the sensor dust and its perfect! Nicely done! :)

JustinL

16th of July 2008 (Wed), 18:22

Why does it have to be half of the image? Just slide up/down the filter to be where you need it.

I don't have a GND, and I never will.

I just realized you probably have a screw on GND. I'd ebay it rather quickley as they are useless. Get the Cokin slide in filters. You are able to put the grad where ever you want in the frame.

The Cokin slides are the best! And most $$$, another reason I won't own one. Corzy, if you want one so bad and continue to preach highly about them, then I suggest you buy one yourself and show us what you mean. I'm not cropping images of rig shots or any for that matter just to get the exposure correct on a sky. There's easier and cheaper methods of doing this.

Jbs

16th of July 2008 (Wed), 18:25

I just photoshop in the gnd effect haha

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2176/2669467204_af68863770.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3162/2668801579_aa86353094.jpg?v=0

Mark1

16th of July 2008 (Wed), 19:56

I have the cokin set. They are not that expensive. I actually use it the most when Im shooting for B & W. And Im not really preaching them. Just rebutting that they do have a use. Could really care less if you ever own one or not. However it is to bad you have limited yourself like that. Not that it may ever make a difference. but a closed mind is never a good idea.

JustinL

17th of July 2008 (Thu), 01:21

Mark1

17th of July 2008 (Thu), 01:24

Ooops, Sorry!

disboifan

18th of July 2008 (Fri), 10:20

and another try...
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3163/2679304508_870fae5e89.jpg

CorzyPhoto

18th of July 2008 (Fri), 10:32

I give up.

JasonPerryPhoto

18th of July 2008 (Fri), 14:18

Finally got all of my rig stuff in. I will try to get some shots up this weekend! Just a note, I sent back my Avenger cups and decided to go with Woods from Film Tools instead. I had to buy spuds and swivel pins for them but it was so worth it. The quality that they put into their product is very apparent in feel and function.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3243/2680497592_131f0da742.jpg?v=0

Thanks to Corzy for the aluminum tubes!!

disboifan

18th of July 2008 (Fri), 14:30

I give up.

ah, every photographer has their own opinion or their own methods.

Mark1

18th of July 2008 (Fri), 14:50

ah, every photographer has their own opinion or their own methods.

Its definatley a new school / old school thing. Those of us who learned on film have a hard time getting our heads around not doing in camera everything we can. The " Ill fix it later" does not register for us. People new to photo that learned on a digital ( caution: stereotype alert!!) Have a shoot now fix later aproach. I think if you can do it, then do what you do best. But I allways default back to my old ways. Im learning that they are not necesiarlly better, just different.

JasonPerryPhoto

18th of July 2008 (Fri), 22:10

Finally got all my stuff in and together... So, here is my first shot! It was just a test. I need to get an ND filter in a bad way or at least slap on the polarizer. Critiques welcomed.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3178/2680674563_50d9cc62bf_o.jpg

Another quick one
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3144/2680900489_22c235ae16_o.jpg

Mike Bowen

19th of July 2008 (Sat), 14:36

Looks good Jason! Got a unprocessed one with the rig still in it?

JasonPerryPhoto

19th of July 2008 (Sat), 16:29

Here is the only one that shows any detail of the rig...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3067/2680674655_d359967181_o.jpg

n1nj4 m0d3

19th of July 2008 (Sat), 17:14

^ did you need a ladder to mount the rig? lol. good job on the shot and post process :)

PTHONG

19th of July 2008 (Sat), 18:36

^ did you need a ladder to mount the rig? lol. good job on the shot and post process :)

:lol:, so far so good. Images seem to be very sharp!

JasonPerryPhoto

19th of July 2008 (Sat), 19:30

You joke, but I had to climb up on the door sill to stick the pump cup in the middle! A ladder would have helped... :p

Mike Bowen

20th of July 2008 (Sun), 23:26

So where are you guys shooting usually and are you by yourself? Reason I ask is I am just kind of weary going to a parking garage or something by myself with $$ of camera equipment hanging off my car, worried about getting mugged or something lol. Am I just being paranoid?

disboifan

20th of July 2008 (Sun), 23:57

definitely go with a friend. they are there for backup and support.

Sonic Infidel

21st of July 2008 (Mon), 09:17

I would imagine it's a lot easier to get good results if you can handle the camera while the friend/associate deals with the car. Teamwork saves the day.

Mike Bowen

22nd of July 2008 (Tue), 03:12

a couple from tonight. this parkign lot was just too uneven and the rig was bouncing wayy too much, only 2 keepers out of 50 probably. :\

http://www.imgtree.net/files/ebtzayemml2x12wrwq9x.jpg

http://www.imgtree.net/files/twrbyafpawwuvh59r49l.jpg

aridan

22nd of July 2008 (Tue), 14:01

bBonVolks

22nd of July 2008 (Tue), 22:04

Im going to start with my rig build shortly. Im going to use the suction cup method.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/Displayitem.taf?itemnumber=2659

What do you think of that with a pole running through it?

n1nj4 m0d3

22nd of July 2008 (Tue), 22:12

^ a big NO. i wouldn't trust those. get some woods powr grip or the avengers or manfrotto

bBonVolks

22nd of July 2008 (Tue), 22:50

Thanks for the heads up.

Thameth

22nd of July 2008 (Tue), 23:02

^ a big NO. i wouldn't trust those. get some woods powr grip or the avengers or manfrotto

Actually I have a few of those in the 2 cup model and they work great! I use it to shoot video attached to the outside of my car for Autocross and have never had it come loose. For testing I attached it to my car and drove for 2 weeks without touching them and they never budged or lost suction! The 2 cup models are only 5 bucks too!

Here are a few video's I've posted using those suction cups at high speed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWjSnDXVYkc

Attached to the body of a Lotus Elise:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD5Ah6ZgVpk

Attached to my sunroof upside down:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zd8ZtOOM3c

n1nj4 m0d3

23rd of July 2008 (Wed), 02:46

Actually I have a few of those in the 2 cup model and they work great! I use it to shoot video attached to the outside of my car for Autocross and have never had it come loose. For testing I attached it to my car and drove for 2 weeks without touching them and they never budged or lost suction! The 2 cup models are only 5 bucks too!

Here are a few video's I've posted using those suction cups at high speed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWjSnDXVYkc

Attached to the body of a Lotus Elise:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD5Ah6ZgVpk

Attached to my sunroof upside down:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zd8ZtOOM3c
that's a bit different. a small video camera weights less than 2 pounds while a camera with a wide angle lens weight about 3-4 pounds and if you extend it 10-12 feet it would weight close to 20-30 pounds from the suction cup. i don't know the exact math but i've tested the theory and it's about right. apples to oranges here.

Thameth

23rd of July 2008 (Wed), 05:42

that's a bit different. a small video camera weights less than 2 pounds while a camera with a wide angle lens weight about 3-4 pounds and if you extend it 10-12 feet it would weight close to 20-30 pounds from the suction cup. i don't know the exact math but i've tested the theory and it's about right. apples to oranges here.

For me to trust my video camera's on the car at speeds up to 80+ mph I test the suction cup by yanking on them after applying them (I'm 6'2" 230lbs). I've almost pulled the side window off my car a few times trying to show off to people how sturdy the suction cups are. I've been using them for 2+yrs and trust them alot more than some of these pump suction cups that I see people show up with at events. They may seem very cheap but they're rated for 150lbs each and I see no problem with them pull that off when you get a good seal.

Mike Bowen

23rd of July 2008 (Wed), 12:24

Woohoo I just ordered a B+W 106 1.8 ND filter...supposed to drop the shot 6 full stops. Hopefully i will be able to use the rig during the day now. :)

aridan

23rd of July 2008 (Wed), 12:45

Woohoo I just ordered a B+W 106 1.8 ND filter...supposed to drop the shot 6 full stops. Hopefully i will be able to use the rig during the day now. :)

How much was it and where did you buy? I'm looking to buy a few ND filters myself :)

Mike Bowen

23rd of July 2008 (Wed), 12:49

$85 with shipping from HVstar. I might order the 3.0 one if the 1.8 doesn't do the job, but I think it should work.

aridan

23rd of July 2008 (Wed), 17:14

$85 with shipping from HVstar. I might order the 3.0 one if the 1.8 doesn't do the job, but I think it should work.

Hmm... I just got their Hoyas 2 and 3 stops. We'll see how good they are... :confused:

Mike Bowen

23rd of July 2008 (Wed), 17:18

Yeah I dont know if 3 stops will be enough...I'm hoping 6 does the trick but might have to go up to the 9.

rigshots

23rd of July 2008 (Wed), 22:37

Yeah I dont know if 3 stops will be enough...I'm hoping 6 does the trick but might have to go up to the 9.

You should have no trouble getting 6-8 second exposures with the B+W ND 106 stacked with a polarising filter.

There are some examples here (http://www.rigshots.com.au/howto1.htm#Optimum_shutter_speed).

JJ

JustinL

23rd of July 2008 (Wed), 22:56

There are some examples here (http://www.rigshots.com.au/howto1.htm#Optimum_shutter_speed).

JJ

Bookmarked. Thank you Jon! It's always nice seeing your work

rigshots

23rd of July 2008 (Wed), 23:06

Bookmarked. Thank you Jon! It's always nice seeing your work

Thanks Justin.
JJ

Mike Bowen

24th of July 2008 (Thu), 01:26

Thanks for the link, that will come in handy! I have it bookmarked.

PhotosGuy

24th of July 2008 (Thu), 09:33

I consolidated some links here:

A "How to" by... (wait for it)... rigshots: Rig Shots (http://www.rigshots.com.au/howto1.htm)

SeanDinner

24th of July 2008 (Thu), 13:30

Here's my first example: http://photomyauto.smugmug.com/photos/337999335_Cayw3-M.jpg

Shot is today using my new Sigma 10-20mm @ F/22, 1/15s and ISO 100. I'm working tonight so I HAD to do it during the day haha. The poles/cups aren't too stable, but they worked just fine. The poles can attach together with a bolt to create a single long pole and so both cups can be used for the one pole. I was just trying this set-up out for fun :D.

Mike Bowen

24th of July 2008 (Thu), 14:12

How fast was the car going at 1/15s shutter speed??

SeanDinner

24th of July 2008 (Thu), 15:12

How fast was the car going at 1/15s shutter speed??

Not very fast.... probably about 10-15km/h :S. I set the camera for a 10 sec. count down, ran to my car (engine already running) jumped in, threw it in 1st and accelerated. I had my eye on the camera, not the speedo haha.

BIGTUFFGUY

24th of July 2008 (Thu), 16:17

looks like a clean CB7.
Can you get lower with your setup?

JustinL

24th of July 2008 (Thu), 21:40

Not very fast.... probably about 10-15km/h :S. I set the camera for a 10 sec. count down, ran to my car (engine already running) jumped in, threw it in 1st and accelerated. I had my eye on the camera, not the speedo haha.

read jon's link. he talks about parking the car on an incline so when you get in the car you can just take off the parking brake and let it roll. Your car will come out much sharper without the motor running (less vibration)

sonique128

24th of July 2008 (Thu), 23:56

Here's one from yesterday. it turned out okay... Definitely need to fine tune the actual rig.

http://kinod.net/linhbergh/misc/rigged/DSC_0033.jpg

SeanDinner

25th of July 2008 (Fri), 12:24

looks like a clean CB7.
Can you get lower with your setup?

Thanks! Although it really isn't haha. The rear quarters are pretty gross, oh well. I still love it :D.

read jon's link. he talks about parking the car on an incline so when you get in the car you can just take off the parking brake and let it roll. Your car will come out much sharper without the motor running (less vibration)

I've read it, but there isn't a good enough inline on the laneway to get a good shot/time it right. Once I get a chance to get out and do it I know some parking lots that would be perfect :D.

Mike Bowen

27th of July 2008 (Sun), 21:06

looks good sonique....got some bounce it looks like but should be able to get rid of it. was it taken with the car running?

sonique128

28th of July 2008 (Mon), 17:42

Yeah the car was actually running for that shot. Here's the latest version of the rig, still some vibration.... I gotta fix that with the next version.

http://kinod.net/linhbergh/misc/rigged/DSC_0151.jpg

Mike Bowen

28th of July 2008 (Mon), 18:43

Got any pics of the rig?

sonique128

28th of July 2008 (Mon), 19:10

You guys ready for this?

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f123/CE28N/rig2.jpg

Mike Bowen

28th of July 2008 (Mon), 19:12

wow yeah looks like you need more vertical support on that main pole

Tony Yeung

28th of July 2008 (Mon), 19:13

^What the ............ WHAT THE Hell!!! LOL

sonique128

28th of July 2008 (Mon), 19:21

grassroots photography, guys! haha

Thameth

28th of July 2008 (Mon), 23:39

I told you those suction cups would hold! :D

SeanDinner

29th of July 2008 (Tue), 18:34

Took this last night:
http://photomyauto.smugmug.com/photos/341417022_ApzTP-M.jpg

Mark1

29th of July 2008 (Tue), 18:43

To long of a shutter speed. The car is under exposed. But I like it !!

Boily

29th of July 2008 (Tue), 20:38

You guys ready for this?

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f123/CE28N/rig2.jpg

ahaha ducktape ftw :lol:

sonique128

30th of July 2008 (Wed), 00:42

To long of a shutter speed. The car is under exposed. But I like it !!

Too long?? I'd rather think it can be more. I love rig shots where the background is absolutely smooth like that -- it looks so classy!

Sonic Infidel

30th of July 2008 (Wed), 11:43

Took this last night:
http://photomyauto.smugmug.com/photos/341417022_ApzTP-M.jpg

I would call that shot fantastic. I don't care if it is underexposed. It's got a good mood.

aridan

30th of July 2008 (Wed), 15:38

You guys ready for this?

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f123/CE28N/rig2.jpg

No offense bro, but this pic should go under the "Post your "What were the owners thinking" images! (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=520369)" thread... :D

aridan

30th of July 2008 (Wed), 15:39

I would call that shot fantastic. I don't care if it is underexposed. It's got a good mood.

Actually I personally think the exposure was nailed but the blur is a bit too much.

aridan

30th of July 2008 (Wed), 21:54

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/7854/photo2zm8.jpg

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/2286/photo1ck0.jpg

Excellent blur on the first one.

peazs

31st of July 2008 (Thu), 02:52

http://www.imgtree.net/files/o90ca5vvlh1x46w2lyy7.jpg

Wow, just spent approx. 2 hours on this thread from page 1 on. I remember just last year (as mentioned by others already) that rig set ups were trade secrets and whatnot. Glad this is becoming more open in the community as everyone is sharing and helping each other out!

Always wanted to make one of these but never knew where to start.

flapzap: What poles are those (and diameter) and did you drill those 2 screws in yourself?

aridan's set up looks like one that's easy to follow. :)

Mike Bowen

31st of July 2008 (Thu), 02:59

It's only a 1" EMT pole (you can find it at any hardware store). as long as the road is smooth, it stays pretty still. I want to try 1.5" but it seemed a lot heavier.

And yes I just drilled those holes myself. But i actually just ordered an articulating arm which i will attach with another super clamp. will give me a little more flexibility on where the camera is.

Deanphoto

31st of July 2008 (Thu), 04:33

Wow, just spent approx. 2 hours on this thread from page 1 on. I remember just last year (as mentioned by others already) that rig set ups were trade secrets and whatnot. Glad this is becoming more open in the community as everyone is sharing and helping each other out!

And now everybody and their dog can create average rig shots, but their statics are hopeless.

sonique128

31st of July 2008 (Thu), 04:55

No offense bro, but this pic should go under the "Post your "What were the owners thinking" images! (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=520369)" thread... :D

I would allow anyone to post that on that thread because I absolutely agree. When we created the rig, we were giggling like little kids the whole time because of how absolutely preposterous this rig design was. But you know what? It resulted in a decent shot, not the best, or even good, but decent.

PhotosGuy

31st of July 2008 (Thu), 09:14

But you know what? It resulted in a decent shot, That's what counts!

aridan

31st of July 2008 (Thu), 09:14

But you know what? It resulted in a decent shot, not the best, or even good, but decent.

And that what counts! ;)

You can have something that looks like an oil drilling rig hanging off the car. But if does the work, who cares! :D

Sonic Infidel

31st of July 2008 (Thu), 17:31

Actually I personally think the exposure was nailed but the blur is a bit too much.

I like that much blur. I think the smooth background looks awesome.

Sometimes, the smooth background can just look cluttered, but in situations with neat lighting/color combinations, the full frame blur looks great.

Just my opinion, of course. Since this is as much art as science, I guess it doesn't really matter.

peazs

31st of July 2008 (Thu), 22:56

aridan: how long and thick is your pole? :oops: lol

99allturbo

1st of August 2008 (Fri), 09:44

aridan: how long and what is the thickness of the pole used in your automotive rig?

Corrected. :lol:

aridan

1st of August 2008 (Fri), 09:45

aridan: how long and thick is your pole? :oops: lol

Are you sure you want to know? LOL ;) :D

It's a 10' ft. EMT pipe from Home Depot. I don't know the thickness of the top of my head, but I think it's 1-1/4" thick. :cool:

JustinL

1st of August 2008 (Fri), 13:28

Are you sure you want to know? LOL ;) :D

It's a 10' ft. EMT pipe from Home Depot. I don't know the thickness of the top of my head, but I think it's 1-1/4" thick. :cool:

Does it bend much with the gear attached to the end of it? (I hope we're keeping this Work Safe) LOL:lol:

aridan

1st of August 2008 (Fri), 13:59

Does it bend much with the gear attached to the end of it? (I hope we're keeping this Work Safe) LOL:lol:

LMAO!

It's quite sturdy actually. Much better than that painter's pole I was utilizing in my early days... ;)

Todd Good

1st of August 2008 (Fri), 19:36

I had a few minutes to test run my setup, I still have some fine tuning, but here are just two shots.

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4838/img4353copy1resizesv7.jpg

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/9685/img4331copy1resizehx5.jpg

peazs

2nd of August 2008 (Sat), 05:01

Are you sure you want to know? LOL ;) :D

It's a 10' ft. EMT pipe from Home Depot. I don't know the thickness of the top of my head, but I think it's 1-1/4" thick. :cool:

Haha, thanks. Would a 1.25" or a 1.5" pole be better? Not sure if it'll be too heavy with a 0.25" of a difference. Also, are there different types of EMT pipes if I go down to Home Depot or just a single one which is easy to pick out from?

With 10" apart from the car, what range from your lens is mostly used?

aridan

2nd of August 2008 (Sat), 06:42

Haha, thanks. Would a 1.25" or a 1.5" pole be better? Not sure if it'll be too heavy with a 0.25" of a difference. Also, are there different types of EMT pipes if I go down to Home Depot or just a single one which is easy to pick out from?

With 10" apart from the car, what range from your lens is mostly used?

I'd 1 to 1.25" thickness will suffice.

This was shot with the 10' pipe and a 10-22 @ 10mm:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3079/2694563868_ae0cd73c57_o.jpg

n1nj4 m0d3

2nd of August 2008 (Sat), 12:37

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/9685/img4331copy1resizehx5.jpg
i like this shot. a little bit more post processing and it's magazine material :). nice car btw

poah

2nd of August 2008 (Sat), 12:46

there is far too much background blur on the BMW shot

poah

2nd of August 2008 (Sat), 12:49

And now everybody and their dog can create average rig shots, but their statics are hopeless.

TBF dean the rig shots are hopeless too lol

Thameth

2nd of August 2008 (Sat), 18:03

there is far too much background blur on the BMW shot

I disagree, I think its spot on! Looks great!

disboifan

2nd of August 2008 (Sat), 20:49

fck i love that 5 white on black with red TA.

sonique128

2nd of August 2008 (Sat), 21:36

why do people dislike "too much blur" on certain rig shots? isn't that what the rig shot is suppose to do (convey the sense of speed and motion of an automobile)?

peazs

2nd of August 2008 (Sat), 21:51

I'd 1 to 1.25" thickness will suffice.

This was shot with the 10' pipe and a 10-22 @ 10mm:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3079/2694563868_ae0cd73c57_o.jpg

I like the shot, but what bothers me is the smooth shadow of the car. It lost its sense of motion there.
Was a shot taken when the car was stationary (hence the motionless shadow) and then PSed the rig out?

Thameth

3rd of August 2008 (Sun), 04:19

I like the shot, but what bothers me is the smooth shadow of the car. It lost its sense of motion there.
Was a shot taken when the car was stationary (hence the motionless shadow) and then PSed the rig out?

I didn't take the photo, but I'm a little puzzled at your comment. Are you talking about the shadow just under the front bumper? That shadow would remain the same even if the car was going 150mph, even though that photo was probably taken at about 3mph.

And I'll answer for the owner of that photo since he's posted it in this thread before, the car was moving slowly and yes the rig was PS'd out just like any other rig shot.

Could you clarify the question maybe?

poah

3rd of August 2008 (Sun), 06:34

why do people dislike "too much blur" on certain rig shots? isn't that what the rig shot is suppose to do (convey the sense of speed and motion of an automobile)?

too much blur removes detaill in the background

Mark1

3rd of August 2008 (Sun), 10:31

The point is to match what the eye sees. When you are looking at a car going down the street. it is sharp and the background blurs. But yo are able to sill see detail. As in your checking a car out but you can tell you just passed a McDonalds. The images you are trying to make need about the same amount of blur. Sure some that are nothing but a blur can be good shots, as well as some with almost none. But the "avarage" shot will have blur but enough detail to recognize things in the background.

Xerox

3rd of August 2008 (Sun), 13:24

^^ I would agree with that.

Change of topic...do you give full warning to the owner of the vehicle you are rigging of possible damage to their vehicle? Possible damages (mostly from top of car suction mount method):
- damage to body panel should the rig unexpectedly dismount
- damage to body panel due to too much weight at single suction point (particularly when mounting on hood)
- damage to paint from suction cup (even though they shouldn't leave any lasting marks)

I'm wondering if I should make the owner sign a waiver to cover my arse...

jesselee

3rd of August 2008 (Sun), 16:43

i haven't seen any mention of lens. what are your guy's favorite lens to use on these shots?

n1nj4 m0d3

3rd of August 2008 (Sun), 16:46

10-22mm

Mike Bowen

3rd of August 2008 (Sun), 17:08

mine are with the tokina 12-24

ninja, check this thread out http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=546261

JustinL

4th of August 2008 (Mon), 13:09

i haven't seen any mention of lens. what are your guy's favorite lens to use on these shots?

I'd love to get my hands on the tokina 11-16 f2.8, but that'll be a while.

aridan

4th of August 2008 (Mon), 13:57

I like the shot, but what bothers me is the smooth shadow of the car. It lost its sense of motion there.
Was a shot taken when the car was stationary (hence the motionless shadow) and then PSed the rig out?

The car was moving. I'm not sure where you see static reflections, but the rig was removed in PS. No overlaying of a static car image was used.

cb7builder

4th of August 2008 (Mon), 16:41

SeanDinner/Dinner_Time I love the CB7 rig shot.

n1nj4 m0d3

4th of August 2008 (Mon), 16:48

I'd love to get my hands on the tokina 11-16 f2.8, but that'll be a while.

i'm thinking of picking up that lens but i don't know if i want to lose the additional 1mm...

disboifan

5th of August 2008 (Tue), 00:05

why so serious?

aznvintagewear

5th of August 2008 (Tue), 00:41

for the nd filter, what kind of filter do ya recommend from bhphotovideo website because ive looked on there and i was oblivious to everything for nd filters.

JustinL

5th of August 2008 (Tue), 00:50

i'm thinking of picking up that lens but i don't know if i want to lose the additional 1mm...

but it's f2.8!!!

aridan

5th of August 2008 (Tue), 08:35

for the nd filter, what kind of filter do ya recommend from bhphotovideo website because ive looked on there and i was oblivious to everything for nd filters.

BH overprice their filters. Try HVStar.net (http://www.hvstar.net)instead. I just picked up two Hoya Pro1 2 & 3-stop ND filters at a fraction of BH's cost. Should be decent. :)

sonique128

5th of August 2008 (Tue), 16:04

I wouldn't recommend getting anything but OEM lenses, I will quote something my friend once told me:

"The bitterness of low quality remains long after the sweet taste of low price is gone"

JasonPerryPhoto

5th of August 2008 (Tue), 16:27

I wouldn't recommend getting anything but OEM lenses, I will quote something my friend once told me:

"The bitterness of low quality remains long after the sweet taste of low price is gone"

Well, I think I would have to disagree... There are some outstanding second party lenses out there. Not to mention, some really bad OEM glass. I recently bought a sigma 28 f1.8 and it is incredible! I also shoot the 10-20 sigma. As a pro I am very critical of the products I use and my Sigma glass, regardless of it's price, has treated me very well.

Mike Bowen

5th of August 2008 (Tue), 16:40

Only bad thing about HVstar is the wait! I ordered my ND there on the 25th and still nothing.

rob200sx

6th of August 2008 (Wed), 10:04

What tripod head would people recommend for dangling on the end of a pole?

I'm seeing the 322RC2 head for about £90 here but am wondering if that's just overkill?

rigshots

6th of August 2008 (Wed), 10:11

What tripod head would people recommend for dangling on the end of a pole?

I'm seeing the 322RC2 head for about £90 here but am wondering if that's just overkill?

manfrotto 484

Mike Bowen

6th of August 2008 (Wed), 10:47

Yep, 484 is what I used as well. $45 USD is what it cost me.

aznvintagewear

6th of August 2008 (Wed), 10:52

so i just got me a nd filter and its a B+W 77mm #103 Neutral Density (ND) 0.9 Glass Filter. will the .9 suit for the shots?

Mike Bowen

6th of August 2008 (Wed), 12:01

It will help, but might need to be a little higher for really bright shots. If you can put a circular polarizer on top of that, it will help even more.

v35skyline

6th of August 2008 (Wed), 12:04

i'm using the 484rc2

aznvintagewear

6th of August 2008 (Wed), 13:08

so should i return it and get a higher one like 1.8????? I have a CP filter also that I can use from my 24-70.

what kind of nd filter do you use flapzap?

Good thing my L and sigma are the same size.

Mike Bowen

6th of August 2008 (Wed), 13:10

I just got my 1.8 ND in yesterday, HOPEFULLY i will be able to get out the rig right when I get home and test it out and see how it does.

From what I have read tho, 1.8 seems to be the choice for a lot of people.

rob200sx

7th of August 2008 (Thu), 06:24

I'd be interested in hearing from Jay or any other UK people as to how much their rigs ended up costing them and where the poles were sourced from

I've bought the suction mounts from ebay, £6 for two pairs and they're rated to 60kg

For the time being I'm going to get the following:

Pole(s)
035 Super Clamp
484 Head
Spigot to connect the above

It's simple enough and the parts can be re-used should I opt for a more complex setup later on.

Local prices for the above are:

£15 for the clamp
£45 for the head
£5 for the spigot

Not sure on the pole but not expecting much more than £15

Overall cost around £86

rich_cooper

7th of August 2008 (Thu), 07:00

Deanphoto

7th of August 2008 (Thu), 08:00

I'd be interested in hearing from Jay or any other UK people as to how much their rigs ended up costing them and where the

Poles: Ebay - £50
Suction Cups: £42.30 x 3 = £126.90
magic arm: £77.50
Super Clamps: x3 = £35.97
Cokin ND Filters: £24
Shutter release for pocket wizard: £15
Petrol from driving around endlessly looking for good locations: ££££'s

Total: £329.37

Is it worth it?

Debatable really, I've made my money back.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3283/2735544139_657f620c59.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3029/2711470645_556fb4446d.jpg

rob200sx

7th of August 2008 (Thu), 08:11

Deanphoto

7th of August 2008 (Thu), 09:08

If I eventually make the money back then all well and good :) Got to start somewhere though :)

I see you've got Adam's TT on your site :) His was one of the fine examples at Rockingham a few weeks ago.

I have indeed! I was supposed to be going to Rockingham to do the photography for the club but I had a better offer (ie: a job that paid).

I take it you're on the TTF???

Ed 718

8th of August 2008 (Fri), 18:28

Dean you have an incredible gallery of photos.

v35skyline

9th of August 2008 (Sat), 22:16

MikeKS

10th of August 2008 (Sun), 10:44

Tons of useful info in this thread, it should really be a sticky. Thanks for sharing everyone

aznvintagewear

10th of August 2008 (Sun), 21:34

first time rig, first time cloning.......

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g101/aznvintagewear/jdjdjdjdjd-1.jpg

Mike Bowen

10th of August 2008 (Sun), 22:43

Link to the specific filter you got?

still havent had a chance to get out and use it yet with the rig :evil:

but it was this one: http://hvstar.net/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=54

rob200sx

11th of August 2008 (Mon), 04:14

Ok first off, I KNEW this wasn't going to work properly but I wanted to test out the suction cups and see just how much bounce there was and also to give me an idea of what to get next :)

The tripod center section from a Manfrotto Modo 785 was ok but a more sturdy head is required (kinda knew this but wanted to see anyway), lots of bounce, an uneven surface didn't help, the suction cups worked extremely well though.

So next to purchase...

Super clamps
A solid aluminium pole to reduce flexing
484 head

And then to test on a smoother surface :D

http://www.shutter-life.co.uk/web/IMG_7031.jpg
http://www.shutter-life.co.uk/web/IMG_7030.jpg
http://www.shutter-life.co.uk/web/IMG_7024.jpg
http://www.shutter-life.co.uk/web/IMG_7025.jpg

jrampton

11th of August 2008 (Mon), 08:36

I used the very same tile lifters for my rig which i haven't finished yet, but i use an extendable fibre glass/ aluminium decorating pole.

I last used it with my compact and had to set the self timer so the shots i got were not good, i have a cable release on order for my DSLR so i might get brave and try it again with that.

rob200sx

12th of August 2008 (Tue), 04:22

I found the decorating pole had too much bounce, even when not extended which I pretty much expected but it was only £5 so nothing really wasted (and I can still use it for decorating heh)

I'm wondering what diameter (ID & OD) the aluminium tubing should be for minimal flexing?

StE823

12th of August 2008 (Tue), 11:51

Anyone from Canada here? Im planning to buy these vacuum mounts, but most of the mounts i see from the states ship via UPS/Fedex.. don't really want to get raped by brokage fee :(

I wonder which places ship these suction mounts via USPS...

rob200sx

13th of August 2008 (Wed), 04:03

So what OD & gauge Aluminium tubing would anyone care to recommend? I've got a supplier in mind but they couldn't advise on what was best for this purpose!

I'm looking at 3meters worth.

Thanks.

KenTT

13th of August 2008 (Wed), 12:13

So what OD & gauge Aluminium tubing would anyone care to recommend? I've got a supplier in mind but they couldn't advise on what was best for this purpose!

I'm looking at 3meters worth.

Thanks.

Hi Rob

I used to have a TV shop some years ago and we used to sell aerial rigging parts, this included alumimium poles of different sized lenghts & diameters. In general the bigger the diameter the less the pole would flex.

The larger poles used to be 2" or 50mm diameter with about a 1mm wall thickness.

Try and find a local aerial rigger who could supply a pole for you?

HTH

aridan

13th of August 2008 (Wed), 22:22

A quick test to see how my new ND filters performed in broad daylight...

10-22 + CPL + 2 stop + 4 stop ND filters stacked on top of each other...

2.5 sec @ f4 ISO 100
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3256/2760905867_7493a47547.jpg

Mike Bowen

13th of August 2008 (Wed), 23:41

nice aridan!

Did you try rotating the CPL around to remove more of the reflections?

aridan

14th of August 2008 (Thu), 08:31

nice aridan!

Did you try rotating the CPL around to remove more of the reflections?

Thanks,

Sure did, but with an UWA lens you can't remove the reflections evenly across the whole car. As you rotate it, one area starts to lose the reflections while another part of the car starts adding them back again... It's the same side effect when you try shooting the skies with an UWA lens and a CPL. You can't get them evenly dark across the whole scene and you will always have one part of the skies darker than another. In this shot, I was aiming towards the A-pillar and quarter panel. :)