Official Automotive Rigs - DIY Thread

[aridan]

As the warm season is nearing, some of us here are trying to DIY our own rigs. I for one, am actively working on one as we speak but I'm still shopping around for the right mounting elements (magnets vs. suction cups).

I did a search but could not find a single thread, which incorporated all the info in it. Sure, there is information scattered around in individual threads that some of the members here so generously put together; but I thought it would be a good idea for people who built their own rigs to post their DIY info (if they are kind enough to do so). Some other members have been reluctant to do it for reasons that are beyond me. I know that I will be back with my own instructions and setup photos as soon as I have my rig all ready to go. :)

UPDATE: MY RIG (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=5677735&postcount=194)

Also, any links to online stores for equipment/parts are very welcome.

Let's not try to link other threads in here but rather incorporate the info right into this thread so people don't need to click around and open up 20 browser windows.

So let's get the tread going....

TIA :)

[jcolman]

I'll start.

I decided to improve the rigidity of the rig I built yesterday by adding some rear counter weight and a spreader and wire. It helped a lot. The rig barely vibrates now. I didn't shoot any shots of the Z 'cause it's raining outside but here are some shots of the rig itself.

http://fretnot.net/upload/uploaded/images/motion rig-3.jpg

http://fretnot.net/upload/uploaded/images/motion rig-4.jpg

http://fretnot.net/upload/uploaded/images/motion rig-9.jpg

http://fretnot.net/upload/uploaded/images/motion rig-10.jpg

This is the view with the camera mounted on the rig.

http://fretnot.net/upload/uploaded/images/motion rig-11.jpg

http://fretnot.net/upload/uploaded/images/motion rig-13.jpg

http://fretnot.net/upload/uploaded/images/motion rig-14.jpg

http://fretnot.net/upload/uploaded/images/motion rig-15.jpg

I didn't really "plan" it per se, rather I just started building. I based it on designs I have seen here and elsewhere. I had purchased the suction cup mounts a few weeks ago so I had already had those ($106 for two w/1/4" mounting threads)

Yesterday I bought an 8' section of square tube aluminum ($27) and some fasteners ($4) and built the rig. I also had a Bogen ball head that fit my monopod. I simply unscrewed that and used a 1/4" x 1.5" bolt to mount it to the 8' tube. The first rig was simply the 8' tube with two suction cups mounted on one end and the ball head on the other. It worked ok but it had too much "bounce" for my tastes. The test shot was shot at 1/2 sec. I wanted a rig that would handle 1-3 second exposures so I set about to make it more rigid.

Today I bought 2-3' perforated steel angle plates, a 3' aluminum square tube, eye hooks, cable, T bracket and a bunch of nuts and 2" bolts. (Total cost for this material was $114.) I built the rig in the pics with this. The steel plates extends the length of the 8' pole by another 3' but more important, it acts as a counter weight (the reason I chose steel). Adding the spreader and tension wire acts to dampen any "spring" to the rig.

The suction cups hold quite well but I just ordered three industrial magnets with 115 lbs of pull each ($45 total) to add to the rig when I want to mount it under a car rather than on the hood. I'll also need to figure out how to make an adjustable joint so I can angle the 8" tube up. I'll secure the joint with bolts and a cable tensioner.

[jcolman]

This is a test of the original rig I Used the wife's car for a test subject.


http://fretnot.net/upload/uploaded/images/motionrigtestsmall.jpg

Un-retouched shot


http://fretnot.net/upload/uploaded/images/1motionrigsmalluntouched.jpg

[aridan]

Awesome! Thanks for sharing! :D

[aridan]

Also, I was wondering what the general consensus was with regards to the pros/cons of magnets (under-body setup) vs. suction cups (off-body setup)...

[jcolman]

Also, I was wondering what the general consensus was with regards to the pros/cons of magnets (under-body setup) vs. suction cups (off-body setup)... I think they both have their merits. That's why I ordered three magnets last night. I want to be able to convert my rig to underbody as well as suction cup mount.

[Jay McLaughlin]

I have 3 Cullmann Suction cups and 3 Manfrotto Superclamps

All I need is to find some sort of telescopic pole or sections or tubing that I can connect

Everything I've tried so far has waaaaaaaaaaaay too much bounce as soon as any real length is used.

jcolman - I quite like your cantilevered design. Where did you get the wire from?

Most of the cars I shoot are too low to go under the car, so suction cups are the only option for me

[jcolman]

I have 3 Cullmann Suction cups and 3 Manfrotto Superclamps

All I need is to find some sort of telescopic pole or sections or tubing that I can connect

Everything I've tried so far has waaaaaaaaaaaay too much bounce as soon as any real length is used.

jcolman - I quite like your cantilevered design. Where did you get the wire from?

Most of the cars I shoot are too low to go under the car, so suction cups are the only option for me Thanks. I took a cue from my sailing days. ;)

The wire came from Lowes. Home Depot also carries it. You can buy it by the foot, cut it and crimp it in the store. It really helps to control bounce.

[n1nj4 m0d3]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2067/2343901695_c20e7a6d07_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2417/2344731830_dae375963d_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2054/2344731968_e1e4231fd6_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2352/2344732112_beb637a7fb_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3052/2343902241_186f6b63c9_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2120/2344732466_b4f2330297_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2248/2344732640_8f85bd64a6_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3231/2423987050_2da8c9aa9c_o.jpg

[n1nj4 m0d3]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2244/2422776028_5cc8c1b361_o.jpg

[catz1ct]

Ah i'd love to have one of these. No idea how to go about it though. :(

[jcolman]

Ah i'd love to have one of these. No idea how to go about it though. :( The pics are pretty self explanatory. Go for it.

[Jay McLaughlin]

I think I'm gonna revisit my rig tomorrow and try and go down the cantilevered route.

Main thing for me is having something I can easily transport

[jcolman]

Some quick and dirty test shots of my rig in action. I was testing to see if I could get a 3 second exposure without blurring the car. The best time is still around 1-2 seconds. Anything after that and I pick up too much camera motion.

http://fretnot.net/upload/uploaded/images/motion rig-1.jpg

http://fretnot.net/upload/uploaded/images/motion rig-2.jpg

http://fretnot.net/upload/uploaded/images/1motion rig-3.jpg

http://fretnot.net/upload/uploaded/images/motion rig.jpg



and a quick PS image


http://fretnot.net/upload/uploaded/images/1motion rig-3 small.jpg



I'm going to build a magnetic under the car rig next.

[GVal]

jcolman: Have you tried mounting the rig towards the rear of the car for longer exposures? Cutting down on the engine vibration may help. Finding a smooth road couldn't hurt either.

[jcolman]

jcolman: Have you tried mounting the rig towards the rear of the car for longer exposures? Cutting down on the engine vibration may help. Finding a smooth road couldn't hurt either. I haven't had time to do much of anything but the shots you see. I just finished the rig yesterday. You're right in that I need to find a smooth section of road and turn the engine off. These were simply test shots in front of my house to see how much vibration I was getting.

[Jay McLaughlin]

I always have the engine off!

Using a suction cup and tripod arrangement, I got these...

2 Seconds...
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/207/512674338_890e5215fd_b.jpg

4 seconds...
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/213/476837604_39199c9407_b.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/219/512674380_5d28aad129_b.jpg

8 seconds...
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/165/432265977_5427f8731b_b.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/131/406254907_5a0cae7eb0_b.jpg

15 seconds!!!!
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/137/353292487_d82c5a7066_b.jpg


I personally think that 1-2 seconds is best as it gives the car some context. Anything over 4 seconds and the background is just too blurred for my taste

[W.C Photography.]

I'm wanting to to this, the extension pole zip tied to a set of suction cups seems pretty simple to me, how much do these suction cups go for? What's a good brand?

[aridan]

I'm wanting to to this, the extension pole zip tied to a set of suction cups seems pretty simple to me, how much do these suction cups go for? What's a good brand?


Here ya go:

http://www.bogenimaging.us/Jahia/site/bius/pid/6780?kindOfProductCollectionRequest=productDetail&productCode=F1000&productDescription=PUMP%20CUP%20W/BABY%20SWIVEL%20PIN&curBrandId=BAV&market=MKT4

[Zilly]

Uk guys
Im looking at building a rig very similar to the automotiverigs one but with a few tweaks for cost effectiveness and safty.
If any one is interested I can probably nock you one out too for a reasonable price
Just thought I'd offer

[Skippy29]

Uk guys
Im looking at building a rig very similar to the automotiverigs one but with a few tweaks for cost effectiveness and safty.
If any one is interested I can probably nock you one out too for a reasonable price
Just thought I'd offer


I'm into mine for about $46. Check the pics for everything you need to know.

And let me answer two questions I get alot of;
1. I'm going about 1mpg to achieve these shots.
2. The magnets aren't strong enough by themselves, I use clamps to secure to the underside of the car.






Here is my rig. I bought the 3 magnets off Ebay for about $20. They kinda hold, kinda not. Not really the magnet's fault, just no really nice flat metal place to attach them on modern cars these days. So you need to get creative. I've heard that even the rigs you can buy suffer the same issue. So I use the clamps you see in the pics to help keep everything nice and snug under there.
I got everything else at the Home Depot for another $25 or so. Just some 1 1/4" emt pipe for tubing and some strut to attach the magnets. The emt pipe is kinda heavy, aluminum tubing would be better, but not as readily available.

Ok guys, hope these pics help you all get started on your own rigs. I never understood why someone who posts on this board would choose not to share their rigs design, but I know most people don't seem to.

http://www.themxzone.com/images/DPP_0001.JPG

http://www.themxzone.com/images/DPP_0002.JPG

http://www.themxzone.com/images/DPP_0003.JPG

http://www.themxzone.com/images/DPP_0004.JPG

http://www.themxzone.com/images/DPP_0005.JPG

http://www.themxzone.com/images/DPP_0006.JPG

http://www.themxzone.com/images/DPP_0007.JPG

http://www.themxzone.com/images/DPP_0009.JPG

One last thing. I used a manfrotto pistol grip and I kept it attached to my tripod's mounting post and slid it all into the pipe as one unit. Otherwise you could buy a superclamp and just clamp it to the pipe. Probably the easiest way to attach your camera to the rig.
Just a suggestion.

[Skippy29]

http://www.themxzone.com/images/rig_web_POTN_approved.jpg

http://www.themxzone.com/images/wagon_web.jpg

[aridan]

Good stuff Skippy,

Quick question: How long are your poles?

[Zilly]

I'm into mine for about $46. Check the pics for everything you need to know.

And let me answer two questions I get alot of;
1. I'm going about 1mpg to achieve these shots.
2. The magnets aren't strong enough by themselves, I use clamps to secure to the underside of the car.

Im working with 8000 ish bhp drag cars so they'll be towed, also rolling on state of the art drag tracks so the roll with be nice and smooth

I dont use magnets super clamps and vacume hand mounts.

I only have a small car so Im building it in 4ft long sections to fit in, also it alows loads of manipulation with how far away the camera is from the body to start with im building 12ft's worth of tubes then going from there
Not a fan of the original automotiverigs style mount if the wire slips the boom will hit the floor so Mines got a safety stop in it. Due to working with a 1dmkiin and heavy glass Im using 2 inch ali tube to stop flex

[StreamlineGT]

Skippy, you go with your kindorf and EMT. I am an electrical contractor, and these things are easy to come by. You just beat me to posting it. :) Nice job, I'll be following your lead.

[Jay McLaughlin]

I started building my rig mk2 today. Going with the over the top cantilevered design. It's pretty simple and uses aluminium tube that I got from a local aerial fitter for masts.

It's just about built, but I need to fit some sort of guide for the tension cable at the upright. I also need to shorten the tension cable as I made it about 8 inches too long.

My rig is about 8' long, and already has more flex in it than I'd like, but I've got a few ideas on how to sort that. My widest lens is 18mm, so I think I'm gonna have to get me something wider as I can only just about get the whole car in.

[Nemesismachine]

I like the rigs that mount under the car. The cantilevered ones requiretoo much PP for my tastes. I'd rather have the photo untouched, than having to blur everything to cover up the mini golden gate replica i set up on my car.

[Jay McLaughlin]

I like the rigs that mount under the car. The cantilevered ones requiretoo much PP for my tastes. I'd rather have the photo untouched, than having to blur everything to cover up the mini golden gate replica i set up on my car.

Here's a quick non-moving test to show how much of my rig will be in shot....

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3182/2434414356_6ce2445503_o.jpg

Ok so I'm going to need a wider lens, but even so, there still won't be much PP work.

[aridan]

The only thing that freaks me out with an off-body setups (suction cups) is the possibility of that thing losing grip and coming down smashing on the car. Thinking of a metal rod hitting the paint is plain terrifying :shock:

IMO, with under body setups, less PP is involved and no risk to the paint of the car.

[aridan]

Ok so I'm going to need a wider lens, but even so, there still won't be much PP work.

Once you mount an UWA you can pretty much count on more PP work... :D

[Jay McLaughlin]

If people can crane massive panes of glass across building sites using suction cups, they should be ok for a camera.

I'm probably gonna use 3 cups to be safe though. 2 cups are strong enough to hold the rig with camera on it, but if I have 3 it means that should 1 let go, there's still enough to hold it.

Been doing some checking and all the flex I'm getting is from the center section of my boom which is because it's thinner so that I could slide it inside the other 2 sections. Gonna get some thicker stuff tomorrow!

[Mark1]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3182/2434414356_6ce2445503_o.jpg




Forget the rig for a second, I want to see more of this car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jcolman]

If people can crane massive panes of glass across building sites using suction cups, they should be ok for a camera.

I'm probably gonna use 3 cups to be safe though. 2 cups are strong enough to hold the rig with camera on it, but if I have 3 it means that should 1 let go, there's still enough to hold it.

Been doing some checking and all the flex I'm getting is from the center section of my boom which is because it's thinner so that I could slide it inside the other 2 sections. Gonna get some thicker stuff tomorrow! I use two cups on my rig. I had one let go last night but the second one held just fine. The only reason it let go was because of the angle I had set.

[Jay McLaughlin]

I was thinking about this logically. I was going to put 2 cups under the upright of my rig, but it suddenly dawned on me that that part is just the pivot point of the rig. If it's going to let go, it'll be at the very back end where it has to take the strain of all the weight. So I'll be putting 2 cups there and 1 at the pivot.

Mark1 - If you look at the front, you'll see that the front bumper is on the floor. There's actually no front end at the moment! It's been sat in my drive like that for over a year! Keep spending too much money on camera gear to get it back on the road! I will do it one day though!

[n1nj4 m0d3]

I was thinking about this logically. I was going to put 2 cups under the upright of my rig, but it suddenly dawned on me that that part is just the pivot point of the rig. If it's going to let go, it'll be at the very back end where it has to take the strain of all the weight. So I'll be putting 2 cups there and 1 at the pivot.

That's the same reason why I'm going to re-do my set up. I rather have two smaller suction cups (Woods LJ45) at the end of the pole than one bigger one (Woods G0695). It's not that it's going hold better (my suctions cups are rated to hold 125 pounds each), but because my friends are going with smaller cars which equals to smaller flat surface area.

I like the underneath rigs a lot more because there is less post processing and a lot less bounce, but my main gripe about that set up is that it will take a bit longer to set up, harder to transport, might involve getting your clothes dirty, lower cars will have issues, and how will will it really hold?

[jcolman]

I was thinking about this logically. I was going to put 2 cups under the upright of my rig, but it suddenly dawned on me that that part is just the pivot point of the rig. If it's going to let go, it'll be at the very back end where it has to take the strain of all the weight. So I'll be putting 2 cups there and 1 at the pivot.

That's the reason I modified my rig and added some counter weight at the end. I want the suction cups to be near the center of mass without any strain on them. Take a look at my pictures on the first page. You'll see some perforated steel bars behind the cups. This is my counter weight. It worked well too as I had my front cup come loose during my test shot (my fault...not the cups fault) and the whole rid still held firm with only one cup.

[240dreams]

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h27/KhmerSoul/IMG_5271.jpg

Under-car rigs FTW!

[Jay McLaughlin]

99% of the cars I shoot are too low with deep side skirts. Under car rigs just aren't an option

[aridan]

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h27/KhmerSoul/IMG_5271.jpg

Under-car rigs FTW!

Nice push-back! Getting ready for take off? ;)

Any pics/write-up of the rig itself?

[Jay McLaughlin]

Done a bit more work on mine today. I've replaced the centre section of the boom as it was flexing too much. The whole thing now measures 12ft +

There's not much up and down flex anymore, but there is a bit of sideways play.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3184/2436546654_31b7277247_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3296/2435728573_9cf2fd2eac_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2313/2436547820_3d58d6d17e_o.jpg

Haven't done any motion shots yet. I need to get another superclamp so that I can have 3 cups instead of just 2. Until then I don't trust that it won't fall off despite it being properly fixed no matter how much I push and pull it!

[aridan]

Done a bit more work on mine today. I've replaced the centre section of the boom as it was flexing too much. The whole thing now measures 12ft +

There's not much up and down flex anymore, but there is a bit of sideways play.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3184/2436546654_31b7277247_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3296/2435728573_9cf2fd2eac_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2313/2436547820_3d58d6d17e_o.jpg

Haven't done any motion shots yet. I need to get another superclamp so that I can have 3 cups instead of just 2. Until then I don't trust that it won't fall off despite it being properly fixed no matter how much I push and pull it!

Looking good! What type of head do you have attached to the super clamp? and what type of pole did you use (where did you get it)?

[Mark1]

Be careful!!! that thing looks like it will topple over a Smart car. he he he

[Jay McLaughlin]

Ok so I got impatient, so here's a motion test. It's overexposed because it's far too sunny for these shots and I don't have an ND for this lens yet.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3119/2436633180_2cb38461c7_o.jpg

Need to work on stopping the sideways flex as there's just a bit too much.

This shot was at half a second with me pushing veeeeeeeeeery slowly!

[240dreams]

Nice push-back! Getting ready for take off? ;)

Any pics/write-up of the rig itself?

I'll have pics of the rig soon. I'm finishing it up at the moment.

[CorzyPhoto]

Wow, this is exactly what I was looking for! Thanks so much!

Would you guys be so kind and tell me your materials list?

n1nj4 - That is one ghetto fab rig! LOL Works well though!

Nice pictures everyone.

[justincase724]

I'm into mine for about $46. Check the pics for everything you need to know.

And let me answer two questions I get alot of;
1. I'm going about 1mpg to achieve these shots.
2. The magnets aren't strong enough by themselves, I use clamps to secure to the underside of the car.

Have you thought about using something lighter than EMT and unistrut for your rig? Sure, it'll end up costing more than $46, but the magnets would definitely hold better. Although, looks like you get great results with what you've got.

[jcolman]

Wow, this is exactly what I was looking for! Thanks so much!

Would you guys be so kind and tell me your materials list?

n1nj4 - That is one ghetto fab rig! LOL Works well though!

Nice pictures everyone. I posted my materials list and cost on the first page.

[CorzyPhoto]

Thanks, I would like other people's materials list as well.

[Zilly]

14ft of 2' od aluminum tube
3ft of 2" ID aluminum tubing
couple of super clamps
bit of safty wire
manfrotto magic arm

[Jay McLaughlin]

14ft of aluminum tube
similar amount of metal strand wire
Wire clamps and eye loops
14 bolts
thread lock and wing nuts
Threaded hooks
Washers
Manfrotto superclamps
Cullman Suction cups

Think that's about it

[Zilly]

jay suction cups are the one thing i have yet to get where did you pick yours up from
Im currently looking at getting 3 115mm ones rated to 18kg each think that should suffice

[Jay McLaughlin]

Mine are only rated at 3kg each and are plenty strong enough.

I got mine from http://www.fastfilms.co.uk

[aridan]

U.S. guys... where did you guys get aluminum tubes from?

[Skippy29]

U.S. guys... where did you guys get aluminum tubes from?
GREAT question!

[240dreams]

^ Ebay.

[SnowManZ]

I got mine at the local welding shop. They will be able to get you any size tube you need.

[CorzyPhoto]

I'm pretty sure you can get aluminum tubes at Home Depot, or even Lowe's. Thanks for the materials lists guys!

[SnowManZ]

I'm pretty sure you can get aluminum tubes at Home Depot, or even Lowe's. Thanks for the materials lists guys!

The only size they carry are industrial size and gauge tubing. It is all too heavy for our intended purpose. Take my advice and go to a welding shop after you have tried all your local mega wherehouses.

[CorzyPhoto]

I'll take your word for it and skip the local mega warehouses and go straight to a welding shop. Thanks for the heads up! :)

[aridan]

I got mine at the local welding shop. They will be able to get you any size tube you need.

How much did they charge you to fabricate those? Also, what length did you get?

And yes, I can attest that Home Depot does not carry any LIGHT WEIGHT aluminum poles. They only carry electrical galvanized HEAVY bastards. The closest thing I found was an 8' pole hanger but that thing was too soft. I accidentally dropped it on the floor while in the store and the end that got hit first bent from the impact. :confused:

[jcolman]

Just an FYI, Lowes carries light weight aluminum square tubes in 8' lengths. That's where I bought mine.

[aridan]

Just an FYI, Lowes carries light weight aluminum square tubes in 8' lengths. That's where I bought mine.

Do you happen to have Lows' part number?

[Zilly]

Just an FYI, Lowes carries light weight aluminum square tubes in 8' lengths. That's where I bought mine.

ever wondered why race cars and roll cages are built tubular???

Copared to square tubing the round stuff is several times stronger and tends to have less flex

[SnowManZ]

How much did they charge you to fabricate those? Also, what length did you get?

And yes, I can attest that Home Depot does not carry any LIGHT WEIGHT aluminum poles. They only carry electrical galvanized HEAVY bastards. The closest thing I found was an 8' pole hanger but that thing was too soft. I accidentally dropped it on the floor while in the store and the end that got hit first bent from the impact. :confused:

They charge by the pound. Aluminum metal is made by melting aluminum oxide, or alumina, with other metals to form an alloy. They do this by passing an electric cathode through the molten metal to combine them. The amount of current needed to do this is very high. Subsequently, do to higher energy cost, different factories will undoubtadly charge more depending on your location.

The welding shops will put their price mark up for sure, but I didn't pay more than $25 for an 8 ft section.

I have my own thread for building rigs, but this one seems to be trying to overshadow them all.

My Rolling Rig Thread (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=456002)

[jcolman]

ever wondered why race cars and roll cages are built tubular???

Copared to square tubing the round stuff is several times stronger and tends to have less flex

This is true. While I'm perfectly happy with my first rig, my next one will be made of tubing. One benefit of square tubing however is that it's easier to bolt things to it.

[jcolman]

Do you happen to have Lows' part number? Sorry no.

[aridan]

Does anyone know if I can use my 488RC2 ballhead and screw it straight into a Manfrotto Superclamp? Or will I require some adapter between the two? If I can use my 488RC2 I'll forgo buying a dedicated mounting setup.

[Jay McLaughlin]

Yes you can provided you have the brass spigot that slots into the hex shaped hole on the bottom of the superclamp. That will give you the right thread for the base of the Manfrotto head...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3296/2435728573_9cf2fd2eac_o.jpg

[aridan]

Yes you can provided you have the brass spigot that slots into the hex shaped hole on the bottom of the superclamp. That will give you the right thread for the base of the Manfrotto head...



Thanks. I just purchased a Manfrotto SuperClamp with Standard Stud (not pictured in the following link: http://www.adorama.com/BG2900.html). Is that what you are referring to as "spigot"?

[Jay McLaughlin]

Yeah it should be. It goes into the large hole on the bottom

[aridan]

Yeah it should be. It goes into the large hole on the bottom

Cool thanks. :)

[Echo63]

Ok so I got impatient, so here's a motion test. It's overexposed because it's far too sunny for these shots and I don't have an ND for this lens yet.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3119/2436633180_2cb38461c7_o.jpg

Need to work on stopping the sideways flex as there's just a bit too much.

This shot was at half a second with me pushing veeeeeeeeeery slowly!

maybe if you put another strut with wire on it, at 90degrees to the first, and both of them 45 degrees from vertical
so they hold the boom up and stop it from swaying side to side like \o/

[n1nj4 m0d3]

n1nj4 - That is one ghetto fab rig! LOL Works well though!

Lol, thanks :). The thing I love about my rig vs the other rigs on here is portability. The rig fits in my car (Acura Integra) and with the help of a friend we literally take 2 minutes to set up. It's crucial because the places we take our pictures at are public places and we want to get in and out without blocking any other cars. I wish my rig has less bounce on rough roads but it's not a problem on smoother roads.

[n1nj4 m0d3]

maybe if you put another strut with wire on it, at 90degrees to the first, and both of them 45 degrees from vertical
so they hold the boom up and stop it from swaying side to side like \o/
That's a great idea, but post processing to edit out the rig would not be fun :confused:

[Jay McLaughlin]

maybe if you put another strut with wire on it, at 90degrees to the first, and both of them 45 degrees from vertical
so they hold the boom up and stop it from swaying side to side like \o/

Already got a plan!

Just waiting for a few more bits to turn up ;)

[CorzyPhoto]

I think I'm going to start building my rig today.. I'll keep you guys updated.

[yellow15]

a lot of you guys are suggesting the Manfrotto superclamps and suction cup combo...
i know where to get the manfrotto superclamps.. but what about the suction cups? is there any website selling those suction cups and ship internationally and which one should i get?

[Jay McLaughlin]

I got my suction cups from here...

http://www.fastfilmsshop.co.uk

[SnowManZ]

Here you go
a US site.

BHPhoto.com (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?shs=avenger+cup&ci=0&sb=ps&pn=1&sq=desc&InitialSearch=yes&O=productlist.jsp&A=search&Q=*&bhs=t)

Kris

[yellow15]

Thanks guys!

Jay: which suction cup/kit should i order from fastfilmsshop? is it the "Pump mount and Super clamp" ? what do you think about the "Pro Mount" kit?

SnowManZ: what's the difference between the F1100 and F1000?

[SnowManZ]

Thanks guys!

Jay: which suction cup/kit should i order from fastfilmsshop? is it the "Pump mount and Super clamp" ? what do you think about the "Pro Mount" kit?

SnowManZ: what's the difference between the F1100 and F1000?
one has a swivel head for different shaped cars.

[Jay McLaughlin]

I use 3 of the small Cullman clamp style suction cups

The pump ones are better though

[turbodude]

bump and subed

[Ed 718]

Awesome info guys I am still working on my rig but will post results later.

[aridan]

So my rig is 99% complete. My only problem is mounting the camera. I got the Monfrotto superclamp, which I thought I can use to attach my 488RC2 ballhead onto, but to my surprise, the threading on the clamp pin does not match that of the socket in the ballhead.

Also, while I'm at it, the 488RC2 is way too heavy to my liking and I would like to avoid the extra weight at all costs. Can someone recommend of an alternative ballhead that's lighter and that can be attached to the superclamp pin?

TIA.

[moorel]

Waiting for some Avenger F1000's, Superclamps and a magic arm and I will start build my rig. I'll keep this thread updated.

[JustinL]

So my rig is 99% complete. My only problem is mounting the camera. I got the Monfrotto superclamp, which I thought I can use to attach my 488RC2 ballhead onto, but to my surprise, the threading on the clamp pin does not match that of the socket in the ballhead.

Also, while I'm at it, the 488RC2 is way too heavy to my liking and I would like to avoid the extra weight at all costs. Can someone recommend of an alternative ballhead that's lighter and that can be attached to the superclamp pin?

TIA.


http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/272986-REG/Bogen_Manfrotto_482_482_Micro_Ball_Head.html

[aridan]

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/272986-REG/Bogen_Manfrotto_482_482_Micro_Ball_Head.html

Thanks. Do you know if I can thread the superclamp stud straight into this ballhead?

I wonder how much a 40D (without grip) + 17-55 | 10-22 weighs...

[willy b]

Brilliant info - going to have to try and build me one of these soon!

[JustinL]

Thanks. Do you know if I can thread the superclamp stud straight into this ballhead?

I wonder how much a 40D (without grip) + 17-55 | 10-22 weighs...

You'll need a threaded adapter (don't choke on the price)... but save yourself from going to Lowes/Home Depot to find one cheaper, it's made by Bogen/Manfrotto so the thread is dead on.


http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/546376-REG/Bogen_Manfrotto_037_037_Reversible_Short_Stud_.htm l


Here's what I have (I have 2 rigs, suction and magnetic; the Magic Arm is used with the magnetic rig)

http://libanophotos.com/OMGNOWAY/magicarm.jpg

"QR" stands for quick release -- there's about 4 kinds of Magic Arms
http://libanophotos.com/OMGNOWAY/magicarm2.jpg

http://libanophotos.com/OMGNOWAY/clamp_ballhead.jpg

http://libanophotos.com/OMGNOWAY/ballhead.jpg

http://libanophotos.com/OMGNOWAY/clamp.jpg

[z3speed4me]

ok i got my avengers and some piping.... what are the clamps that i should use with the avenger 1000's????


does anyone just have a straight up "parts list" to make things easier maybe??

or did it miss it somewhere?

[n1nj4 m0d3]

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=499434

[JustinL]

That fence piping is galvinized steel which is real heavy. You may want to shop around for something lighter

[n1nj4 m0d3]

tell me bout it, but it's not my rig, lol. my pole with camera and lens weight less than 5 pounds :)

[SnowManZ]

That fence piping is galvinized steel which is real heavy. You may want to shop around for something lighter
aluminum is expensive but I think it will be worth it. That's what I went with.

[aridan]

You'll need a threaded adapter (don't choke on the price)... but save yourself from going to Lowes/Home Depot to find one cheaper, it's made by Bogen/Manfrotto so the thread is dead on.


http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/546376-REG/Bogen_Manfrotto_037_037_Reversible_Short_Stud_.htm l


Here's what I have (I have 2 rigs, suction and magnetic; the Magic Arm is used with the magnetic rig)





http://libanophotos.com/OMGNOWAY/clamp_ballhead.jpg

http://libanophotos.com/OMGNOWAY/ballhead.jpg



Thanks! Awesome! That's EXACTLY what I was looking for - both a matching stud, and a lightweight ballhead.

Looks like $5.95 over at B&H is not worth it, especially when it is not a "regularly stocked item".

Adorama has it in stock for a whopping $2.95!!!! :shock: :D :D

Hopefully I'll have everything in line by this weekend for some first preliminary shots. I just need to buy a couple of hardware clamps to assist the magnets just in case they decide to give up on me.

...which leads me to the following question: Do you use any type of clamps to secure the magnetic rig to the car, or do the magnets work just fine? - I'm using four (x4) 200lb pull round magnets, but couldn't get enough grabbing surface on my wife's ML350. Haven't tried my car (07' Infiniti G35).

Thanks again!

[JustinL]

Thanks! Awesome! That's EXACTLY what I was looking for - both a matching stud, and a lightweight ballhead.

Looks like $5.95 over at B&H is not worth it, especially when it is not a "regularly stocked item".

Adorama has it in stock for a whopping $2.95!!!! :shock: :D :D

Hopefully I'll have everything in line by this weekend for some first preliminary shots. I just need to buy a couple of hardware clamps to assist the magnets just in case they decide to give up on me.

...which leads me to the following question: Do you use any type of clamps to secure the magnetic rig to the car, or do the magnets work just fine? - I'm using four (x4) 200lb pull round magnets, but couldn't get enough grabbing surface on my wife's ML350. Haven't tried my car (07' Infiniti G35).

Thanks again!

I've had good luck and bad luck with the magnets. I have some clamps on order to see what they can do. I think it'll depend on the underside of the car you'll be attaching them to. They work if there's a nice flat surface you can secure them to, and of course every car is different. I'll keep you updated when I get the clamps.

[aridan]

I've had good luck and bad luck with the magnets. I have some clamps on order to see what they can do. I think it'll depend on the underside of the car you'll be attaching them to. They work if there's a nice flat surface you can secure them to, and of course every car is different. I'll keep you updated when I get the clamps.

Cool, thanks. :)

[Ed 718]

What is the part number for that super clamp above and how much does it open up?

[aridan]

What is the part number for that super clamp above and how much does it open up?

Here you go: http://www.adorama.com/BG2900.html?searchinfo=manfrotto%20super%20clamp&item_no=1

It opens up by rotating the handle.

Bear in mind though that the standard stud included with this clamp does not have a 3/8" type thread that will fit most ball-heads. For that, you will need a reverse stud:

http://www.adorama.com/BG2907.html?searchinfo=Manfrotto%20037%20Reversibl e%20Short%20Stud&item_no=1

[Ed 718]

It opens up by rotating the handle.

Bear in mind though that the standard stud included with this clamp does not have a 3/8" type thread that will fit most ball-heads. For that, you will need a reverse stud:


I ordered the Mini Ball head and reversible stud from B&H but was not sure on the clamp so I appreciate the link. I also have some heavy duty suction cups I found cheap on ebay.........I'm almost there :lol:

[Sonic Infidel]

What kind of suction cups? Do they have a brand name on them?

I'm thinking of the same type of setup, but I don't know diddly about suction cup companies. Reading this thread has been a lot of help, but I'm still feeling out the market, so to speak.

[JustinL]

What kind of suction cups? Do they have a brand name on them?

I'm thinking of the same type of setup, but I don't know diddly about suction cup companies. Reading this thread has been a lot of help, but I'm still feeling out the market, so to speak.

Bogen/Manfrotto makes suction cups. There's a few other brands out there as well like Matthews. I've tried both, and my $ is with Bogen/Manfrotto in the future. Maybe someone else has had better luck with Matthews than I have, not sure.

[Sonic Infidel]

Ah, I see. I was under the impression people were using industrial-strength suction cups from some specialty company.

If Bogen makes them, I know I'll have to save up some cash...

[JustinL]

Well I think some people are using industrial strength cups. Search google for "pump cups" and you should have some luck. I only use the Bogens because theyre easier to mount clamps to since they have a "spud" at the top.

[Sonic Infidel]

Ah, good to know. Thanks!

[CorzyPhoto]

Got my first material for my rig tonight! :mrgreen:

[Christopher.Sullivan]

hey i had an idea i dunno if anyone has seen that handle they sell on infomercials where its like two suction cups and a handle i bet it would work awesome for rigs.... they were like 20 bux for 2 of them and it like snaps and holds suction.... im gonna try it if i see them for sale again.


edit: lol the video is funny as hell

http://www.justgetagrip.com/?tid=3324&gclid=CK_sm4j815MCFQJtFQodowbOZA

[aridan]

hey i had an idea i dunno if anyone has seen that handle they sell on infomercials where its like two suction cups and a handle i bet it would work awesome for rigs.... they were like 20 bux for 2 of them and it like snaps and holds suction.... im gonna try it if i see them for sale again.


edit: lol the video is funny as hell

http://www.justgetagrip.com/?tid=3324&gclid=CK_sm4j815MCFQJtFQodowbOZA

We are using something similar with more of an industrial grade here at my work. I'm an IT guy and we use these suction cups with handles to lift floor tiles (to run cables under the raised floor). They sure are strong, but the question is how the hell would I attach a pole to them? :confused:

[Zilly]

We are using something similar with more of an industrial grade here at my work. I'm an IT guy and we use these suction cups with handles to lift floor tiles (to run cables under the raised floor). They sure are strong, but the question is how the hell would I attach a pole to them? :confused:

gaffa tape ?
or drill a hole in the handle and thread a bolt threw !

[CorzyPhoto]

Someone on this forum already used those suction cup handles. I even went to Home Depot to see if they had any, they don't.

[aridan]

Quick question for those who went with the Avenger F1000 suction cups: It is my understanding that these cups already come with a pin/stud on top of them, correct? Hence, if I'm buying the Manfrotto super clamp, I don't need the optional stud that can be purchased with the clamp. Am I wrong?

[CorzyPhoto]

I do not have the Avenger suction cups, but I'm 99% sure they have a pin on the top.
This is the one you want (with the swivel head): Click Here (http://www.amazon.com/Avenger-Pump-Suction-Swivel-Spigot/dp/B0009URRRA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=photo&qid=1212498329&sr=1-2)


For those who were wondering able the suction cup handles: http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=511470

[aridan]

I do not have the Avenger suction cups, but I'm 99% sure they have a pin on the top.
This is the one you want (with the swivel head): Click Here (http://www.amazon.com/Avenger-Pump-Suction-Swivel-Spigot/dp/B0009URRRA/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=photo&qid=1212498329&sr=1-2)


Yup. Just ordered two of these from B&H. Should be here tomorrow, and hopefully will have some rig shots this coming weekend. :D

Thanks.

[CorzyPhoto]

No prob. Good luck and keep us updated!

I just sketched out a rig design for my own :)

[JustinL]

Here's my other rig (yes I have 2 :rolleyes:)

http://libanophotos.com/OMGNOWAY/oh_no_garage.jpg

It's designed like the AutoMotiverigs.com rig -- just cheaper

Edit, I just figured I have a 3rd "rig"...

http://libanophotos.com/golf/images/23.jpg

Ok, so it was just a Magic Arm mounted to the roof! lol

[aridan]

Here's my other rig (yes I have 2 :rolleyes:)

http://libanophotos.com/OMGNOWAY/oh_no_garage.jpg

It's designed like the AutoMotiverigs.com rig -- just cheaper

Edit, I just figured I have a 3rd "rig"...

http://libanophotos.com/golf/images/23.jpg

Ok, so it was just a Magic Arm mounted to the roof! lol

Awesome shots! Looks like your subie is on a suicide mission with that garage coming up on it... :D :D :D

Question: Did you manage to get away with just magnets, or did you need to reinforce it with clamps or some other methods? The reason I'm asking is because no matter what, I just couldn't get a good grab under my car (07' G35 Sport).

P.S.

Where are you in CT?

[JustinL]

I'm in central CT around hartford. I ended up getting some clamps to use on the bottom side of the car. I noticed the magnets I had are only good to use on vehicles that have large flat surfaces underneath them which is somewhat rare. I'll take a pic of the clamps hopefully before a packy run tonight:lol:

[aridan]

I'll take a pic of the clamps hopefully before a packy run tonight:lol:

That would be awesome and VERY appreciative. I tried using clamps but my car appears to sit too low. If I clamp the rig and then un-jack the car, I run the risk of bending one of the undercarriage components as the car will simply sag on the clamp (never mind not being able to drive it as I'll drag and scrape the sucker all over the place :o)

[Eedubz]

heres a hot of my rig, well just the suckers.

i had these suckers from when i made my video camera mount...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/Seanisking/Random/DSCF3580Medium.jpg

so i butchered them abit, and now i have these...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/Seanisking/Random/IMG_6171Medium.jpg

the boom fits onto them via some bolts, and its super strong and sturdy ;)

[kona77]

heres a hot of my rig, well just the suckers.

i had these suckers from when i made my video camera mount...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/Seanisking/Random/DSCF3580Medium.jpg

so i butchered them abit, and now i have these...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v284/Seanisking/Random/IMG_6171Medium.jpg

the boom fits onto them via some bolts, and its super strong and sturdy ;)


I like those, do you have a link to those on line?
Thanks

[CorzyPhoto]

Eedubz - Wouldn't the modified aluminum (holes drilled into it for the screws) let the pressure of the suction cup deteriorate after a little?

[Eedubz]

the rubber parts are what create the vaccum. they are a solid rubber disk that covers the entire base of the aluminium (you left out an i in aluminium :p ), so theres absolutely no difference if there are holes are not ;)

[CorzyPhoto]

Well, I didn't know if where you drilled affected the rubber disk in any way. Guess not.

By the way... http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/aluminum
:lol:

[JuZ]

Interesting read, it's given me plenty of ideas :)

[JustinL]

That would be awesome and VERY appreciative. I tried using clamps but my car appears to sit too low. If I clamp the rig and then un-jack the car, I run the risk of bending one of the undercarriage components as the car will simply sag on the clamp (never mind not being able to drive it as I'll drag and scrape the sucker all over the place :o)

I basically have this kit:

http://www.automotiverigs.com/images/products/pinch_solo.jpg

[jrampton]

I used 2 of those glass lifters for my rig which is currently in progress.

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=511470

[CorzyPhoto]

I don't understand where those black curved pieces mount to.

[Mark1]

They get clamped to the pole.

[99allturbo]

I don't understand where those black curved pieces mount to.

You set whatever type of piping you are using in the curved area and use hose clamps to keep the piping in place.

[EDIT:Mark1 beat me to it.]

[JustinL]

You set whatever type of piping you are using in the curved area and use hose clamps to keep the piping in place.

[EDIT:Mark1 beat me to it.]

I wish they came with 4 of those hose clamps and not just 2. :(

[aridan]

You set whatever type of piping you are using in the curved area and use hose clamps to keep the piping in place.

[EDIT:Mark1 beat me to it.]

And then use the screw on top as a clamp mechanism? :confused:

[99allturbo]

I wish they came with 4 of those hose clamps and not just 2. :(

I was just wondering the same, only 2? Just curious, does it really need 4?

[aridan]

I was just wondering the same, only 2? Just curious, does it really need 4?

If I were to purchase it (or build it the same way), I'd go with 2 on each clamp. It would provide a better balance on the grip - one of each side of the curved bracket.

[CorzyPhoto]

I know how it mounts to the pole, but what is the complex gadget on the top of the black curved piece? where does that mount to?

[aridan]

I know how it mounts to the pole, but what is the complex gadget on the top of the black curved piece? where does that mount to?

That's what I would like to know too. It appears as though you tighten the screw against a surface and it acts as a clamp. It looks like it rotates on its axle as well as each independent mount rotates on its own axle as well, to give you room to play and adjust.

[JustinL]

I clamped mine to a chasis weld on the bottom side of the car and the rear cross-member. It's hard to find spots narrow enough on the underside of the car. If mounting the rig perpendicular to the car, I know I can use the clamp on the jackpoints, so I'll try that next time.

[CorzyPhoto]

Do you have some kind of magnets?

[JustinL]

I have 300lb pull magnets and the automotiverig clamps

[aridan]

As much as these clamps look promising I'm afraid I'll have to pass. I've already spent more money than I would have liked. Between a failing magnet-based rig (not enough metallic surface under the car), and now going with a suction-based one (Avenger F1000 and Manfrotto Super Clamps on order), I feel like it’s a bit too much.

At this point, I will wait for the suction cups and clamps to show up to give those a shot. While I’m pretty convinced I’ll get it up and running as it’s pretty straightforward, I’m not too fond of the suction cups approach as the angle is a tad low for my taste and the range of play you get to adjust the camera is limiting as well. Of course I could add a Manfrotto Magic Arm to the setup, thereby gaining more room to play, but that’s just more $$$ to shell out…. :(

[CorzyPhoto]

The Manfrotto Super clamps are nice, but there are other, much cheaper ways to go than that.

About the angle, since you are doing the suction cup setup... you can put it on the roof to get a higher angle. Also, how are you attaching the rig to the camera? Are you using just a regular tripod head and modifying it to fit yor rig?

*edit - For some reason I thought the Manfrotto super clamp system was a little more expensive than $25 a pop (plus shipping). Even at that price, there are cheaper ways. The funds all add up in the end and it's worth it to save $10-$15 on a single piece and it's purpose if it does the same thing or similar to it.

[CorzyPhoto]

I have 300lb pull magnets and the automotiverig clamps

Let me know how that turns out. I just ordered 250 lb pull magnets. They aren't working as the source of holding up my rig, though. The magnets I ordered are more used as a stabilizer mechanism. I have a generic design that is compatible with pretty much any car (I hope). I just can't wait to start using it to see if it will work on my first shot on building a rig. :cool:

[aridan]

About the angle, since you are doing the suction cup setup... you can put it on the roof to get a higher angle. Also, how are you attaching the rig to the camera? Are you using just a regular tripod head and modifying it to fit yor rig?


True about mounting the rig on the roof to achieve a higher vantage point. For attachment, I'm using a Manfrotto Super Clamp attached to a Manfrotto 484 Mini ball-head, which means the camera will be mounted upside down. I guess I could purchase a magic arm to hold the camera in the right orientation, but I think the more joints I'm adding, the more free-play I'm introducing.

[CorzyPhoto]

Exactly. You want to have the least possible movement in your rig, best to have no movement of course. I think we are all going to have a little movement in it. I guess you just have to choose your location wisely (smooth road with no bumps and go as slow as possible).

[aridan]

Exactly. You want to have the least possible movement in your rig, best to have no movement of course. I think we are all going to have a little movement in it. I guess you just have to choose your location wisely (smooth road with no bumps and go as slow as possible).

Yup. :)

[CorzyPhoto]

Just researching some things and gathering my materials before I get started on my rig :)

[aridan]

Good luck! :D

[CorzyPhoto]

http://www.jscspeed.com/part_pictures/amp_exhaust_1.jpg

The mini has a lot of flat places for magnets! :)

[Zilly]

most cars have a steel floor pan just a case of finding the right bit to stick em too !

[aridan]

most cars have a steel floor pan just a case of finding the right bit to stick em too !

Not necessarily true. A lot of cars (mostly Sport cars) have under-body plastic diffusers, which are nothing but big flat plastic surfaces designed to create less drag. Of course one could go through the hassle of removing them and mounting a rig but that would be one PITA.