View Full Version : UV Filter reccommendations needed for new L Lenses
wrangler
29th of November 2004 (Mon), 15:51
I am looking at UV (Haze) filters to fit my new L Lenses to protect the front element. I was in my local shop today, (Competitive Camera in Dallas, Texas) and looked at 3 different brands. Hoya, Heliopan, and Rilex. I laid the 3 filters out on a piece of paper and noticed that the Hoya case a very slight yellow tint onto the paper. The Heliopan also cast a yellow tint, but less than the Hoya. The Rilex had no yellow cast. It appeared to be color neutral. Can anyone comment on Rilex. I had never heard of them before, and cannot find anything on the net about them. Am I wrong in thinking that the color in images would be altered by this slight yellow cast???
Help Please..
tim
29th of November 2004 (Mon), 16:23
I ended up getting a Hoya pro filter from B&H, one of the best in the Hoya range. I'm told you get what you pay for with these, it cost around US$60-70. I've no complaints at all with it.
Chris1le
29th of November 2004 (Mon), 16:24
Canon filter for Canon glass. Makes sense to me anyway. They do know a thing or two about making lenses also. :D
gramps
29th of November 2004 (Mon), 16:43
I've got 3 different brands that I'm happy with, Canon, Hoya and B+W
robekert
29th of November 2004 (Mon), 16:54
Canon filter for Canon glass. Makes sense to me anyway. They do know a thing or two about making lenses also. :D
Canon's filters are made by Tiffen. They know a thing or two about making filters :wink:
Cheers,
Rob
CyberDyneSystems
30th of November 2004 (Tue), 08:46
Is it Tiffen?,.. Thanks. I had suspected they were made by a third party.
I have been using the Canon 77mm UVs on most of my lenses.. but I will say this. I also have a Hoya that pre-dates all of the canon filters.. and yet the Hoya seems to have endured my beatings much better. In short.. the Canon ones seem to get scratched more easily than the hoya.
On the other hand.. it was the Hoya that cuased the AF of one of my lenses to go "all screwy" under certain lighting conditions. Again.. nothing scientific here.. but that may indicate that the Hoya is more prone to effecting the les performance/image quality. (though I could not see any difference in images, other than when it made them o.o.f.)
Cadwell
30th of November 2004 (Tue), 09:01
All my lenses have Hoya Super HMC Pro-1s on them with the exception of the Sigma 120-300mm f/2.8 EX which has a Sigma EX UV filter on it (My stockist didn't carry 105mm Hoya UV filters).
I have no complaints with the Hoyas.
izzypizzy
30th of November 2004 (Tue), 09:05
what do you guys do about lens caps with filters? i just got a 77mm b&w uv filter, and my lens cap doesn't fit over it, and the little plastic thing it comes with keeps falling off :(
Jon
30th of November 2004 (Tue), 09:48
The spring-action caps work fine on any filter that has front threads; slip-on ones will work with those or the "ultra-thin" filters with no front threads, but are prone to falling off. A couple of bits of tape on the inside edge of the cap will snug them up.
CoolToolGuy
30th of November 2004 (Tue), 10:45
I have B+W UV filters on all but 2 of my lenses. I use the normal F-PRO type, which includes a front thread. On the EF lenses, I don't worry about vignetting if I add a polarizer or more, since the crop factor is your friend. I have been gravitating to the multi-coated versions, as I have noticed some flare on my wider lenses.
The 2 that don't have B+Ws: the 14mm Tamron will not accept a filter on the front of the lens (no surprise there), and the EF-S 17-85 IS has a Hoya Super HMC Pro-1, based on vignetting with a C-POL on top of a normal UV filter. The Pro-1 filters are as thin as any other thin filter, and they include a front thread. I will do some tests with what I have to see if that solves the vignetting problem.
I have one C-POL of the thin variety, and I wish I didn't have that one. On a hot day I have to watch the lens cap every minute (they expand), and I am frequently trekking around ground that I will only cover once - so if it drops off I have to retrace my steps, and I would need to try, since the slip-on plastic caps are not easily replaceable.
My 2 cents.
Have Fun,
izzypizzy
30th of November 2004 (Tue), 10:48
ahh there's my problem, my filter doesn't have a front thread=( Well, I'm always learning something.. will know better in the future
slin100
30th of November 2004 (Tue), 11:05
I'll put in another vote for Hoya. I use the Hoya UV(0) Super HMC filters like this (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=94133&is=REG) one. They have the same glass as and are about 40% cheaper than the Hoya Pro 1 filters. The only advantage of a Pro 1 filter is that the filter ring is extra thin, so it avoids vignetting. This is generally not an issue when using a lens designed for a full-frame sensor on a non-full-frame sensor camera. Vignetting, OTOH, might be an issue with Canon EF-S and Sigma DC lenses used on a 300D, 10D and 20D.
CoolToolGuy
30th of November 2004 (Tue), 13:44
I forgot to mention - Hoya makes some high-quality filters, but they have a reputation of being hard to clean - there always seems to be a streak left on the surface. I just got a bottle of ROR - Residual Oil Remover, and that is supposed to do the job. I haven't tried it yet, 'cause my Hoya is clean, and I don't want to clean it for no reason and wind up with a streak.
Have Fun,
Denmark
30th of November 2004 (Tue), 14:03
According to the german "Foto Magazin" 5/96, where they tested 22 different uv filters, there is only one filter on top of the charts: Leica UVa.
Jon
30th of November 2004 (Tue), 14:06
According to the german "Foto Magazin" 5/96, where they tested 22 different uv filters, there is only one filter on top of the charts: Leica UVa.
Was that sorted by price, quality, or both?
;{)#
Mthorpe_Davies
1st of December 2004 (Wed), 01:43
what do you guys do about lens caps with filters? i just got a 77mm b&w uv filter, and my lens cap doesn't fit over it, and the little plastic thing it comes with keeps falling off :(
I would suggest that you purchased the slim filter for ultra wide angle lenses, I have a 77mm B&W filter that I use on my 24-70 and it works well with the cap, on the other hand the slim one I purchased for the 17-40 will not accept the lens cap.
JoeTampa
1st of December 2004 (Wed), 02:38
According to the german "Foto Magazin" 5/96, where they tested 22 different uv filters, there is only one filter on top of the charts: Leica UVa.
I humbly suggest that an 8-year old review might no longer be representative of what's available today. :roll:
- Joe
Cadwell
1st of December 2004 (Wed), 03:47
According to the german "Foto Magazin" 5/96, where they tested 22 different uv filters, there is only one filter on top of the charts: Leica UVa.
:lol: So a German camera magazine picked Leica as top. I'm shocked, no really, I am. Never would have thought that would happen. That is absolutely amazing. Stunned I am, honestly... :lol: :wink:
CoolToolGuy
1st of December 2004 (Wed), 05:38
According to the german "Foto Magazin" 5/96, where they tested 22 different uv filters, there is only one filter on top of the charts: Leica UVa.
:lol: So a German camera magazine picked Leica as top. I'm shocked, no really, I am. Never would have thought that would happen. That is absolutely amazing. Stunned I am, honestly... :lol: :wink:
I bet the next time it will be B+W, and the time after that Heliopan...
Have Fun,
Denmark
1st of December 2004 (Wed), 10:18
Well true, but how many times do you think the different manufactures have modified there filters during the past 10 years?
The magazins testing method have changed during the past years and have become more accurate but I still think that the review presents a reliable picture of the different filters quality.
Canuck
2nd of December 2004 (Thu), 06:42
ahh there's my problem, my filter doesn't have a front thread=( Well, I'm always learning something.. will know better in the future
I am thinking your has a rear gelatin filter, looks like this:
http://images.fotopic.net/?id=2418964
or is a drop in which I don't have an example of. The gelatin filter you cut to the blue lines and slide in.
I use Canon CPLs/UV filters on Canon lenses and Sigma EX filters on the Sigma EX lens...105mm filters can be tought to find (other than Sigma EX) and expensive!
spearce6
2nd of December 2004 (Thu), 09:22
I second (or third) the comments about not bothering with thin filters if you are using a 1.6 crop factor body. I had a thin filter for my 17-40 when I was using it with my EOS3, but it was a royal pain in the arse - cap constantly drops off. And they're slightly more expensive.
Since chaning to 10D I changed to a standard filter and it's fine - no vignetting at all.
I almost always use B+H, but have a cheap no name filter on my 70-200 f4 and the results are nonetheless always stunning - nothing takes away from that lens!!
Steve
Jon
2nd of December 2004 (Thu), 09:51
ahh there's my problem, my filter doesn't have a front thread=( Well, I'm always learning something.. will know better in the future
I am thinking your has a rear gelatin filter, looks like this:
http://images.fotopic.net/?id=2418964
or is a drop in which I don't have an example of. The gelatin filter you cut to the blue lines and slide in.
I use Canon CPLs/UV filters on Canon lenses and Sigma EX filters on the Sigma EX lens...105mm filters can be tought to find (other than Sigma EX) and expensive!
No - he has a "slim" filter with no front threads. The lens is threaded.
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