Moon landing fake? ( or prove to me the landing was real)

[KAS]

Here's my question/request:

I'm sure by now, many of you have heard several theories about how the american moon landing was faked in a studio or something similar.

So it should be possible to falsify these theories by showing a picture (taken by a non-NASA affiliate or Pro) of the moon with the flag stuck in it. However, I have never seen such a photo. I would like to see a picture of the moon with the flag on it as proof that the landing indeed happened.

If you have ever come across such a photo, I encourage you to post it (or provide the link)


if not, I encourage all of you with super long lenses to try to take this picture and post it. This is my preferred method.



Comments welcome. Happy shooting!

[Anke]

...if not, I encourage all of you with super long lenses to try to take this picture and post it. This is my preferred method....

Spookily enough, I just read in another thread that apparently its impossible to see the flag with any telescope or lens, or even Hubble. Bizarre eh?

[TheHoff]

Spookily enough, I just read in another thread that apparently its impossible to see the flag with any telescope or lens, or even Hubble. Bizarre eh?

They set you up to read that thread before posting here. I'm not surprised.

[Anke]

They set you up to read that thread before posting here. I'm not surprised.

They certainly got me :)

[breal101]

Do you really think the Russians would have let the US get away with faking the moon missions? It was still the cold war then.

[FlyingPhotog]

Do you really think the Russians would have let the US get away with faking the moon missions? It was still the cold war then.

Besides which, NASA is a government agency and everyone knows the US Govt can't keep a secret...

Here's one that I don't think anyone has ever addressed from the "It was faked" camp: If the entire "On Moon" period was shot in a studio somewhere, how'd they do the Lunar Modual asscent?

Wouldn't you have seen lights, gridwork, etc as the LM lifted off and rose upward?

[ironchef31]

You would figure that If they really wanted to rub it into the Russians, they would plant a beacon that transmits a signal that can only be sourced from the moon.

Go to Google videos and type in "moon landing" all sorts of clips come up to debunk the landings.

[TheHoff]

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/Shadows.gif

Why is guy-on-the-left's shadow so much shorter than guy-on-the-right's ???


and...


http://www.skeptics.org.uk/graphics/shadows1.jpg


I wouldn't be surprised if POTN's servers mysteriously go down in a few minutes and come back with no trace of this thread.... if they come back at all.

[Jim G]

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/Shadows.gif

Why is guy-on-the-left's shadow so much shorter than guy-on-the-right's ???


and...


http://www.skeptics.org.uk/graphics/shadows1.jpg


I wouldn't be surprised if POTN's servers mysteriously go down in a few minutes and come back with no trace of this thread.... if they come back at all.



Slope.

You really think something the size of a pole with a tiny bit of fabric attached to it (pointing towards us, at least approximately, making it even tinier) is going to be visible with a telescope on something the size of the Moon!?

[breal101]

If it was faked I can certainly assure you that it was done by an outside agency or Hollywood. I worked as a photographer for NASA, we had some guys who were there for the moon project. They were barely proficient at getting a decent grip and grin pic let alone faking the moon landing.

[primoz]

Here's one that I don't think anyone has ever addressed from the "It was faked" camp: If the entire "On Moon" period was shot in a studio somewhere, how'd they do the Lunar Modual asscent?

Wouldn't you have seen lights, gridwork, etc as the LM lifted off and rose upward?
You did hear about special effects, right? ;) I'm not saying they didn't land it on moon. But with all that going around, I wouldn't be too surprised, if landing was really shoot in studio. But somehow I think we will never know for sure what really happened. Maybe they did land, maybe they didn't. And on the end... does it really matter?

[qtaran111]

I assume you guys have seen this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mouUUWpEec0

LOL :D

[blackcap]

Go to Google videos and type in "moon landing" all sorts of clips come up to debunk the landings.

Well that settles it then. I also now believe in the 911 conspiracies and the Flying Spaghetti Monster, because it's on the internets.

[blackcap]

Slope.

You really think something the size of a pole with a tiny bit of fabric attached to it (pointing towards us, at least approximately, making it even tinier) is going to be visible with a telescope on something the size of the Moon!?

Not even with my 75-300mm? :lol:

[Stefan A]

I have been to the Air and Space museum in D.C. and felt a moon rock with my own fingers. So it has to be real! :)

Stefan

[Stocky]

I think that faking it would be too big a gamble. Eventually we will go back (or for the first time) and they won't be able to convince anyone that the lunar rover was stolen. We left a lot more than a flag behind after the first trip.

[Mum2J&M]

You did hear about special effects, right? ;) I'm not saying they didn't land it on moon. But with all that going around, I wouldn't be too surprised, if landing was really shoot in studio. But somehow I think we will never know for sure what really happened. Maybe they did land, maybe they didn't. And on the end... does it really matter?

You do realize this was back in 1969, right? The special effects weren't so, um, special back then. :lol: And I do think it matters. Pretty big thing, especially back then. Perhaps they did it to prove they actually were in space, who knows.

[Jon]

Dood - they also left a laser reflector there, which they've been bouncing signals off ever since. The composition of the rocks brought back is different from those found on Earth. And they made it to lunar orbit, as witness the famous "Earthrise" photo. So why would they fake the last couple of miles.

You want to take a picture of the flag with your 1D3? Start shopping for a 1,920 Km focal length lens if you want it to be all of 5 mm high (13 the frame height) on your sensor.

[S.Horton]

Ya got us.

It was a giant conspiracy, with only you not knowing the truth all along.

You are at the center of all things, everyone is talking about you, and they're all keeping the truth from you. At the same time. With perfect consistency. They have flawless special effects, too.

:rolleyes::p;)

[Mom27andblessed]

Well, as for the shadows...did it occur to anyone that the shadows were caused by lights from the module or aircraft thingie...and not the sun?

[Mum2J&M]

Dood - they also left a laser reflector there, which they've been bouncing signals off ever since. The composition of the rocks brought back is different from those found on Earth. And they made it to lunar orbit, as witness the famous "Earthrise" photo. So why would they fake the last couple of miles.

You want to take a picture of the flag with your 1D3? Start shopping for a 1,920 Km focal length lens if you want it to be all of 5 mm high (13 the frame height) on your sensor.

Yep, I was going to mention that as well...

[John_B]

You do realize this was back in 1969, right? The special effects weren't so, um, special back then.
Mum2J&M,
Hey! Us Trekkie fans would tend to disagree you!

now, Beam me up Scotty! and send Bones to help Mum2J&M :lol:

Now that I have been beamed up, it would be nice if we had telephotos that are strong enough (at a price we could afford) to actually see the left overs on the lunar surface. ;)

[FlyingPhotog]

You did hear about special effects, right? ;) I'm not saying they didn't land it on moon. But with all that going around, I wouldn't be too surprised, if landing was really shoot in studio. But somehow I think we will never know for sure what really happened. Maybe they did land, maybe they didn't. And on the end... does it really matter?

The only "special effect" available in 1969 (besides miniatures) was a process called "Optical Printing" and there are ways to easily detect it.

- Gate Weave
- Misregistration
- Blank Frames
- Different Color Balance
- Mismatched Speeds
- Mismatched Mattes

Uh, yeah, I have heard of special effects. Like someone else posted, in 1969, they weren't so special...

[TheHoff]

C'mon, watch a DVD of 2001: A Space Odyssey (made in 1968 ) and tell me they couldn't fake a much lower resolution TV broadcast of a moon landing.

[cosworth]

You did hear about special effects, right?

Have you seen a movie from 1968-69? 2001: A Space Odyssey looked good but it Nasa beat it by actually going there and filming it.

[photoguy6405]

In my experience, the people who make the biggest deal about having an open mind and being willing change their minds on controversial subjects when they see "proof", are exactly the opposite... close-minded and no amount of "proof" will ever be good enough. It's an exercise in futility for the other person. No thanks. I've wasted too much time even saying that, so... moving on...

[timbernet]

Maybe NASA should offer one-way flights to the moon for everyone that thinks the moon landing was false ;-)

[txduggan]

First...it's beyond physical optical theory, and not just some conspiracist's theory, to resolve a lunar American flag from earth...or earth orbit ....

Just like another poster mentioned....you'd need a gazillion kilometer focal length optic to resolve the area.....I think the best earth based telescope can resolve a mile of lunar surface or there abouts?

Google™ Phil Plait and "Bad Astronomy" for some more good reading....

Tom D

p.s. The Russians also listened in on our lunar transmission during the Apollo program using radio telescopes aimed at the moon...if it was fake, they'd be screaming bloody hell....and they were the biggest proponents for the U.S. to fail...so if it WAS fake...why they so quiet? ;)

[20droger]

Let me go on record as saying I DO believe there is a major conspiracy here.

It is a conspiracy amongst conspiracy theorists to drive the rest of us insane through the perpetual bombarment of our intellects with their incomprehensible illogic.

Let's round them all up, drive them to the edge of their very flat Earth, and push them off. Let them live in Yuhuppitz!

Except, of course, that's not fair to those of us who already live there.

Yuhuppitz = a place so remote that to get there you must go to the ends of the Earth, fall off, and go three more miles.

[argyle]

You did hear about special effects, right? ;) I'm not saying they didn't land it on moon. But with all that going around, I wouldn't be too surprised, if landing was really shoot in studio. But somehow I think we will never know for sure what really happened. Maybe they did land, maybe they didn't. And on the end... does it really matter?

The moon landing was back in the '60's. If any of you were alive back then, then you'll recall that movie 'special effects' were nothing that special.

The moon landing was faked, OJ is innocent, the US created AIDS to wipe out minorities, etc, yada yada yada. Waaay too much Kool-Aid. :rolleyes:

[txduggan]

And...to quote Adam from Mythbusters:

"I reject your reality, and replace it with my own!"

So take THAT you Yuhuppitzdan!

* The above is humor, tongue in cheek (although I bit mine), and not to be taken seriously.....void were prohibited....5¢ deposit, NY, CT, ME, NH

Tom D

[TheHoff]

Have you seen a movie from 1968-69? 2001: A Space Odyssey looked good but it Nasa beat it by actually going there and filming it.

OK we are too much alike. Stop it.

[Choderboy]

Don't forget us Aussies were involved in that "fake" landing - so it was not just a US conspiracy.

[20droger]

The conspiracies are real.

It's the theorists themselves that are fake.

[Duder]

I recommend the recent documentary 'In The Shadow of the Moon'. Some amazing HD footage from the lunar surface .

[KAS]

...I guess I can stop saving for that 600L!

[Jon]

No. Keep saving. Just have them send it to me.

[adam8080]

I was actually having this conversation today... right after talking about 9/11 conspiracies :rolleyes: <what I looked like the entire time!

[Belmondo]

You're not going to convince me man walked on the moon until you convince me of the existence of the moon.

I think the same effect could be created with a giant laser.

All the answers are here (http://www.alaska.net/%7Eclund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm).

[Anke]

You're not going to convince me man walked on the moon until you convince me of the existence of the moon.

I think the same effect could be created with a giant laser.

All the answers are here (http://www.alaska.net/%7Eclund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm).


If we haven't been to the moon, then please explain the existence of cheese.

[Belmondo]

If we haven't been to the moon, then please explain the existence of cheese.

You raise an excellent point.

[cosworth]

If we haven't been to the moon, then please explain the existence of cheese.

Pleeease. We've already been there to get the cheese:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8b/A_Grand_Day_Out.png

[cosworth]

OK we are too much alike. Stop it.

It's the chip embedded in your brain by The Trudeau Experiment.

[WorkingClassHero]

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/Shadows.gif

Why is guy-on-the-left's shadow so much shorter than guy-on-the-right's ???


and...


http://www.skeptics.org.uk/graphics/shadows1.jpg


I wouldn't be surprised if POTN's servers mysteriously go down in a few minutes and come back with no trace of this thread.... if they come back at all.

The question is, why is the flag blowing?

[cosworth]

It's not. It's made of heavy nylon and has minimal gravity to unfurl and unwrinkle it. Plus it has a thick spring steel wire running through the top of it...

[theflyingkiwi]

posts like the OP are good reasons why some people need to pay more attention in school

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html

and yes it would be impossible to see the flag from earth, esp with camera equipment.

[Anke]

and yes it would be impossible to see the flag from earth, esp with camera equipment.

OK, so we can't see the flag from here but what about when the moon rotates so the flag sticks out the side, like this:

http://www.ankehuber.plus.com/potn/moon.jpg

Aha! Explain that. ;)

[theflyingkiwi]

OK, so we can't see the flag from here but what about when the moon rotates so the flag sticks out the side, like this:

http://www.ankehuber.plus.com/potn/moon.jpg

Aha! Explain that. ;)

oh that's simple. it's a photoshop fake. I mean come on, at least they could have used a picture of the real moon

[Anke]

oh that's simple. it's a photoshop fake. I mean come on, at least they could have used a picture of the real moon

I did wonder why it had the Apple shine to it, I just thought it was the high resolution telescope :confused:

[Jpatten]

OK, so we can't see the flag from here but what about when the moon rotates so the flag sticks out the side, like this:



Aha! Explain that. ;)

The moon wont rotate around like that. It is tidally locked to the earth so the same side always faces us.

[Anke]

The moon wont rotate around like that. It is tidally locked to the earth so the same side always faces us.

Well you learn something new everyday! :shock:

[argyle]

...I would like to see a picture of the moon with the flag on it as proof that the landing indeed happened...

I have a better idea. You go to the moon, scour the surface for the flag, the LEM, the rover, and then report back. Its up to you to prove that it didn't happen...not the other way around. ;)

[jjackflash]

I hear THEY faked D-DAY too!

[cosworth]

This is like saying 9/11 was faked. Too many people were involved.

[Belmondo]

I have a better idea. You go to the moon, scour the surface for the flag, the LEM, the rover, and then report back. Its up to you to prove that it didn't happen...not the other way around. ;)

Don't forget the Hasselblad they left up there. You could clean it up, and get a few bucks for it on eBay.

[Belmondo]

This is like saying 9/11 was faked. Too many people were involved.

Don't get me started. The first person to mention Building 7 (other than me) is in big trouble.

[Tumak]

Once you have the rocket in 1969, the rest of the technology is childs play compared to a nuclear sub launched in 1954. Figure it out.

[Jon]

OK, so we can't see the flag from here but what about when the moon rotates so the flag sticks out the side, like this:

http://www.ankehuber.plus.com/potn/moon.jpg

Aha! Explain that. ;)Well, it doesn't get bigger; you just don't have the multi-kilometer lens you'd need to resolve it at that distance. Assuming there was a moon landing around there.

Well you learn something new everyday! :shock:New? it wasn't until around 1960 that there was ever any visual proof that the Moon had a back side. You must have slept through all 12 years of science classes to have missed that.

[Belmondo]

It really is interesting how 'conspiracy theorists' actually can obfuscate things. The problem is, their weird theories are usually sexier than the truth, and often appeal to the cynic that lives to some degree in all of us. Some of the stranger theories exist mainly because the truth seems so improbable, and that's understandable. Others are just plain whacko, and it mystifies me how they get any traction at all. If a person's mind is too feeble to get around abstract ideas, they immediately start seeing black helicopters.

On the other hand, a little bit of skepticism is healthy. It keeps people honest.

[Belmondo]

New? it wasn't until around 1960 that there was ever any visual proof that the Moon had a back side. You must have slept through all 12 years of science classes to have missed that.

Wrong!!!

It was in the mid-1950s that Disnelyand had their trip to the moon. The rocket went around to the dark side, and they shot flares down to illuminate the surface. I know it to be true because I rode on that rocket in 1957.

Sheesh.

[Tumak]

Others are just plain whacko, and it mystifies me how they get any traction at all. If a person's mind is too feeble to get around abstract ideas, they immediately start seeing black helicopters.


When you look at statements taken out of context and used in the political arena by all sides, it is not hard to see how this could by, I guess.

[Tumak]

Wrong!!!

It was in the mid-1950s that Disnelyand had their trip to the moon. The rocket went around to the dark side, and they shot flares down to illuminate the surface. I know it to be true because I rode on that rocket in 1957.

Sheesh.

Yeah, I was going to go on the second flight but somone barfed where I was going to sit, so I passed. :cry:

[RandyMN]

Now if the pictures of the landing were fake, then how did they photgraph the Earth rising over the moon?

Maybe a gigantic slide projector in the background? But then they would have needed the photo anyway so they may have just as well landed and taken a break between pictures.

[Belmondo]

Yeah, I was going to go on the second flight but somone barfed where I was going to sit, so I passed. :cry:

So that was you?



You could've at least cleaned up that seat.:evil:

[Tumak]

So that was you?



You could've at least cleaned up that seat.:evil:

Nah, it was there when I got there. Sombody said it was some guy with a camera.

[condyk]

If the moon landin' ain't real then neither is Thunderbirds :evil:

[Tumak]

If the moon landin' ain't real then neither is Thunderbirds :evil:

Next you be saying "Spaceballs" was not really a documentary! :rolleyes:

[RandyMN]

Wrong!!!

It was in the mid-1950s that Disnelyand had their trip to the moon. The rocket went around to the dark side, and they shot flares down to illuminate the surface. I know it to be true because I rode on that rocket in 1957.

Sheesh.

I think you just redefined my definition for 'lunacy'.

Now I suppose someones going to tell me that's a myth too...

[RandyMN]

My bad!!! I read fast and did not realize Disney had rockets in 1957. I thought maybe drugs or something made you hallucinate.

[Tumak]

My bad!!! I read fast and did not realize Disney had rockets in 1957. I thought maybe drugs or something made you hallucinate.

That was not till the sixtys for most. He might have been on the leading edge.... :cool:

[gjl711]

...the Flying Spaghetti Monster, ....
So the spaghetti monster is real? Should I keep a battery powered spaghetti fork with me at all times to be safe?

[Tumak]

So the spaghetti monster is real? Should I keep a battery powered spaghetti fork with me at all times to be safe?

The "Pocket Fisherman" award winner for the 21st Century, so far.:lol:

[Belmondo]

My bad!!! I read fast and did not realize Disney had rockets in 1957. I thought maybe drugs or something made you hallucinate.

Actually, Walt Disney had them in 1955 when the park opened. A rocket took off every 20 minutes or so, made the trip to the moon and returned. There were people waiting in line, sometimes for hours. It's a good thing rockets were much faster in 1955 or they wouldn't have been able to handle the crowds they had.

I'm amazed you don't know all this already. :rolleyes:

[Tumak]

Actually, Walt Disney had them in 1955 when the park opened. A rocket took off every 20 minutes or so, made the trip to the moon and returned. There were people waiting in line, sometimes for hours. It's a good thing rockets were much faster in 1955 or they wouldn't have been able to handle the crowds they had.

I'm amazed you don't know all this already. :rolleyes:

I did. I was standing in line, till that camera dude barfed. :o

[yogestee]

I think that faking it would be too big a gamble. Eventually we will go back (or for the first time) and they won't be able to convince anyone that the lunar rover was stolen. We left a lot more than a flag behind after the first trip.

,,,,and how many Hasselblads??

[BillsBayou]

Here's my question/request:

I'm sure by now, many of you have heard several theories about how the american moon landing was faked in a studio or something similar.

So it should be possible to falsify these theories by showing a picture (taken by a non-NASA affiliate or Pro) of the moon with the flag stuck in it.

You're are incorrectly using the word "So".

Your initial assertion pertains to the existence of people who believe the landing is a hoax. You then jump to the conclusion "So". What you have left out is assumed in the concluding statement:
1) "it should be possible to falisfy these theories"
- Why? Who wants to disprove these theories? What methods will they use to disprove these theories? Which theories will they disprove? You're use of the word "these" leads me to assume (because of your poorly stated argument) that falsification will disprove all of them.
2) "by showing a picture (taken by a non-NASA affiliate or Pro)"
- Pro what? Photographer? Astronomer? Bowler? You appear to want an independent investigation, but you do not illustrate who would be your best choice.
3) "So it should be possible to falsify these theories by showing a picture (taken by a non-NASA affiliate or Pro) of the moon with the flag stuck in it."
- Why is this possible? What have you shown as an ability in science that would indicate that telescopes designed to see distant objects of planetary scale and larger can see a 1-meter flag on a 2-meter pole?

However, I have never seen such a photo. I would like to see a picture of the moon with the flag on it as proof that the landing indeed happened.

Interesting how you've painted yourself into a corner on this one. No such photo can be taken with any telescope on Earth or rotating around it (oops, Hubble is run NASA stooges) and seeing as this is the proof you need, then it is all a hoax.

If you have ever come across such a photo, I encourage you to post it (or provide the link)



I'd like to see that too. Except, we wouldn't need to post the link or photo here. It'd be on the news and printed in the papers.

And immediately debunked by those of you who do not, and will not, believe anything unless it is hitting you in the head.

if not, I encourage all of you with super long lenses to try to take this picture and post it. This is my preferred method.

You're telling us to get out there and start shooting. I take it you have some equipment in mind?

Is this how you get your fun? Trolling around posting messages asking people to run around attempting to disprove your assertions with technology that does not exist? Even the Hubble telescope is not able see objects that small on the Moon. (see the link below)




Comments welcome. Happy shooting!

Don't waste your time people.

Some sites doing the math:
http://www.geocities.com/humealumni/flag.htm
http://www.rocketroberts.com/astro/flag_on_moon.htm
http://hubblesite.org/reference_desk/faq/answer.php.id=77&cat=topten

So, Kas, the ball is in your court. I need you to prove that the technology exists to photograph man-sized objects across astronomical distances.

(Note my use of the word "So". I have made explicit assertions with a concluding statement that does not call upon facts not already entered into evidence. Nor does it call upon assumptions on the part of the reader.)

Further, given your assignment for us to use our super-long lenses, that such technologies are available to even the deepest pockets of the shooting community here at POTN.

[RandyMN]

I'm amazed you don't know all this already. :rolleyes:

Never been to Disney land or Disney World. But I have wanted to see the dark side of the moon ever since Pink Floyd made the album. Think they cleaned the seats yet?


Whhooooa! Whats that on top of me? It's HUGE!

[BillsBayou]

Wrong!!!

It was in the mid-1950s that Disnelyand had their trip to the moon. The rocket went around to the dark side, and they shot flares down to illuminate the surface. I know it to be true because I rode on that rocket in 1957.

Sheesh.

Did it really take you on a trip to the dark side of the moon? Or did it take you on a trip to the FAR side of the moon?

If all you wanted was a tour of the dark side of the moon, might I suggest a telescope pointed at the sky during the "New Moon" phase? That's when the moon clearly shows it's dark side to the Earth.

[BillsBayou]

Never been to Disney land or Disney World. But I have wanted to see the dark side of the moon ever since Pink Floyd made the album. Think they cleaned the seats yet?

Another one missing out on viewing the dark side of the moon? See my previous post. :p

[Jon]

,,,,and how many Hasselblads??At least 2 per mission. That'd be Apollos 11, 12, 14, 15, 16 and 17, so around 12 anyhow.

[Tumak]

Never been to Disney land or Disney World. But I have wanted to see the dark side of the moon ever since Pink Floyd made the album. Think they cleaned the seats yet?


Whhooooa! Whats that on top of me? It's HUGE!
I do not know if the seats were cleaned. That was the first Compact Disk that I purchased. I turn it up and turn the lights off (gets DARK). Then I relax and listen. :cool:

[RandyMN]

Another one missing out on viewing the dark side of the moon? See my previous post. :p

I did see it and it seems way to serious for me right now.

I prefer the comical side of this thread as life is too short to worry about conspiracies behind every event in history.

[Tumak]

At least 2 per mission. That'd be Apollos 11, 12, 14, 15, 16 and 17, so around 12 anyhow.

With E-bay, it would almost be worth the money to go get all the garbage left behind.

[Belmondo]

Did it really take you on a trip to the dark side of the moon? Or did it take you on a trip to the FAR side of the moon?

If all you wanted was a tour of the dark side of the moon, might I suggest a telescope pointed at the sky during the "New Moon" phase? That's when the moon clearly shows it's dark side to the Earth.

Well, Mr. Smarty-Pants, it was dark during that trip.:p

Would they have bothered to make the trip during a solar eclipse? I think not. What would they have done with all those really cool flares?

You just have to think things through a little bit, ya' know. Outside the box.:rolleyes:;)

And Pink Floyd was nowhere in sight. Actually, most of those guys were only 13 or 14 years old in 1957.

More obfuscation.:evil:;)

[RandyMN]

With E-bay, it would almost be worth the money to go get all the garbage left behind.

Maybe you just take a picture of the moon showing the Virgin Mary or Jesus face and you'll make the money without wasting the trip.:)

[Tumak]

Maybe you just take a picture of the moon showing the Virgin Mary or Jesus face and you'll make the money without wasting the trip.:)

Elvis, Jackie O and John Wayne worked a few years ago. Probably not so much now.

[BillsBayou]

Sometimes when I see the moon all big and close when it rises, I wonder if it's finally beginning it's straffing run.

[RTMiller]

p.s. The Russians also listened in on our lunar transmission during the Apollo program using radio telescopes aimed at the moon...if it was fake, they'd be screaming bloody hell....and they were the biggest proponents for the U.S. to fail...so if it WAS fake...why they so quiet? ;)

They were part of the conspiracy too!

Good lord man! Don't you know anything about conspiracies? Your not thinking hard enough. Or maybe too hard. I dunno. What was the question?:rolleyes:

[S.Horton]

Even Pink Floyd knew that there was a Dark Side of the Moon.

If they could see it, it must be real.

@RTMiller - Your signature is a classic.

[mattograph]

This is so funny.

My father worked under contract to NASA until 1975, and worked directly with 7 Apollo missions as a technical writer (4 lunar landings). I asked him once about whether he thought they were faked, or if they knew they were -- he sat in on some of the debriefings. He said a very wise thing.

"Lying about something once may occasionally be the right thing to do. Only a total idiot tells the same lie twice."

[RTMiller]

My father worked...as a technical writer.

What kind of writer? Fiction or non-fiction?

[RandyMN]

Even Pink Floyd knew that there was a Dark Side of the Moon.

If they could see it, it must be real.

@RTMiller - Your signature is a classic.

Wait one cottin pickin minute here!!! Wasn't Pink Floyd one of those hippie type drug smokin rock bands?

How do you know what they were doing when they saw the dark side of the moon?

As far as conspiracies go, I believe them all to be true.

Especially the one about "AIDS is Man Made", and "Churches Fried Chicken Sterilizes Black Men", and my favorite, "Lizard-People Run the World".

Of course we all know that "Scientologists Run Hollywood" and "The Jews Run Hollywood and Wall Street".

Wait a minute, how can two people run Hollywood? Must have separate gangs from different parts of town.

[mattograph]

What kind of writer? Fiction or non-fiction?

ROFL!!!!!! An so it goes.......

[argyle]

This is so funny.

My father worked under contract to NASA until 1975, and worked directly with 7 Apollo missions as a technical writer (4 lunar landings). I asked him once about whether he thought they were faked, or if they knew they were -- he sat in on some of the debriefings. He said a very wise thing.

"Lying about something once may occasionally be the right thing to do. Only a total idiot tells the same lie twice."

To paraphrase George Costanza, my favorite neurotic:

"Jerry, if you believe it, its not a lie".

[4x4rock]

Since this is a POTN I have a few questions.

If I am to take a picture of the Dark side of the Moon, which Fstop should I use for maximum DOF?

Also do I need to do +EV for my 580EX II since it's pretty...dark and I don't want too much shadow.

Ohh, yeah, should IS be on if I'm on tripod?

[RandyMN]

Since this is a POTN I have a few questions.

If I am to take a picture of the Dark side of the Moon, which Fstop should I use for maximum DOF?

Also do I need to do +EV for my 580EX II since it's pretty...dark and I don't want too much shadow.

Ohh, yeah, should IS be on if I'm on tripod?

There are a lot of good posts on the subject if you just search for them.

[Tumak]

Since this is a POTN I have a few questions.

If I am to take a picture of the Dark side of the Moon, which Fstop should I use for maximum DOF?

Also do I need to do +EV for my 580EX II since it's pretty...dark and I don't want too much shadow.

Ohh, yeah, should IS be on if I'm on tripod?

1, Dark side or far side?
2. I think you will need to wait for the 1googleEX
3. If you are on the tripod, yes, if your 1googleEX and 1googleEF are on the tripod, no. :lol:

[mattograph]

Since this is a POTN I have a few questions.

If I am to take a picture of the Dark side of the Moon, which Fstop should I use for maximum DOF?

Also do I need to do +EV for my 580EX II since it's pretty...dark and I don't want too much shadow.

Ohh, yeah, should IS be on if I'm on tripod?

Flash needs to be off camera. Suggest you place it on Mars for best coverage. Go for hard light on this one. Not sure if the Radio Poppers have that kind of range, but the pocket wizards shouldn't fail you. Alternately, you could make your own PC cord for only $5,000,000,000.

[FlyingPhotog]

Flash needs to be off camera. Suggest you place it on Mars for best coverage. Go for hard light on this one. Not sure if the Radio Poppers have that kind of range, but the pocket wizards shouldn't fail you. Alternately, you could make your own PC cord for only $5,000,000,000.

Poppers or PWs will work but you need to build in some delay on the shutter release.

Lesse now, speed of light / distance to mars (and back...) = ??

[Tumak]

And IS on if you are on the tripod. If the camera is on the tripod, consult your user manual for the lens you use. :)

[gjl711]

Even Pink Floyd knew that there was a Dark Side ...

Um. Pink Floyd at the end of the album states:
“There is no dark side of the moon… Really. :)

[mattograph]

Poppers or PWs will work but you need to build in some delay on the shutter release.

Lesse now, speed of light / distance to mars (and back...) = ??

The Schwasserman comet will be passing close by in 2022.

Thumbs up for ambient light!!!

(can you get a comet shield for the PW's?)

[Tumak]

Um. Pink Floyd at the end of the album states:
“There is no dark side of the moon… Really. :)
Where exactly. I have the first CD version probably. I don't remember it, though I am listening at the moment.

[BillsBayou]

Um. Pink Floyd at the end of the album states:
“There is no dark side of the moon… Really. :)

Oh, shame on you. You've not completed the quote:

"There is no dark side of the moon. Really. as a matter of fact it's all dark."

Topology shows us that all things have at least one side. If the moon were all dark, then it would have a dark side. The statement is self-contradictory. Reductio ad absurdum. :p

[Tumak]

The Schwasserman comet will be passing close by in 2022.

Thumbs up for ambient light!!!

(can you get a comet shield for the PW's?)

I shot the Hale-Bopp comet but never found the film when I got back from Leadville. I think those people stole it before they jumped on board. But that's another conspiracy. :)

[BillsBayou]

Where exactly. I have the first CD version probably. I don't remember it, though I am listening at the moment.

At the very end of Eclipse as the heartbeat tapers out.

[gjl711]

My moons are always dark for I suffer from nevernude. ;)

[Tumak]

At the very end of Eclipse as the heartbeat tapers out.

That is strange. I pulled up the lyrics and mine is slightly different. That last line is not on my version. I will have to dig out the one that is with OZ on a DVD and see if it is there.

However, when the moon eclipses the sun, obviously the far side is not dark.

[RandyMN]

Eclipse
(Waters) 2:04

All that you touch
All that you see
All that you taste
All you feel.
All that you love
All that you hate
All you distrust
All you save.
All that you give
All that you deal
All that you buy,
beg, borrow or steal.
All you create
All you destroy
All that you do
All that you say.
All that you eat
And everyone you meet
All that you slight
And everyone you fight.
All that is now
All that is gone
All that's to come
and everything under the sun is in tune
but the sun is eclipsed by the moon.

"There is no dark side of the moon really. Matter of fact it's all dark."

[RandyMN]

However, when the moon eclipses the sun, obviously the far side is not dark.

You need to stop thinking so hard. When the moon gets eclipsed by the sun that means Earth is between the sun and the moon thus making both sides dark...:):)

But the definition just proved myself wrong.

The term solar eclipse describes the occurrence of when the moon travels between the Sun and the Earth, blocking the Sun’s light from the Earth in the middle of the day, and generally giving the appearance of a ring of light in the darkened sky.

During a lunar eclipse, the moon moves into the shadow of the Earth during night time hours, gradually blocking the view of the moon form the Earth.

[Discov3ry]

Probably the best and most reliable source of information and facts about faked moon landings: http://nasascam.bravehost.com/

Lots of good photos too.

[Tumak]

Randy,

Reread:
"However, when the moon eclipses the sun, obviously the far side is not dark." One of us is thinking to hard, but it is not me. I rarely think at all. :)

[RandyMN]

I wonder how they hopped so high if the pictures and video were faked? In fact all that cool technology we received such a miniturization of electronic components, advances in computers, all this stuff I credited to the qwest for the moon is now disorented everything I ever learned since that day I sat in my classroom watching those people walk on the moon.

Maybe it was all taken under water? Hmmmm.

Good thing for sites such as the one just posted because without conspiracy theories in life, what would we all have to keep our puny little brains occupied?

[RandyMN]

Randy,

Reread:
"However, when the moon eclipses the sun, obviously the far side is not dark." One of us is thinking to hard, but it is not me. I rarely think at all. :)

I figured it out. Corrected my mistake too...

[Tumak]

Oh, my lyrics are the same as these:
http://edit.mp3lyrics.org/p/pink-floyd/eclipse/
Must have been a change somewhere.

[Tumak]

I wonder how they hopped so high if the pictures and video were faked? In fact all that cool technology we received such a miniturization of electronic components, advances in computers, all this stuff I credited to the qwest for the moon is now disorented everything I ever learned since that day I sat in my classroom watching those people walk on the moon.

Maybe it was all taken under water? Hmmmm.

Good thing for sites such as the one just posted because without conspiracy theories in life, what would we all have to keep our puny little brains occupied?
You are ok.
Others have their head up the Dark Side of their Moon.

[RandyMN]

You are ok.
Others have their head up the Dark Side of their Moon.

Well that just proves that there is a dark side! Still wondering about that moon landing though? maybe I'm just naive.

[Tumak]

Well that just proves that there is a dark side! Still wondering about that moon landing though? maybe I'm just naive.
Wondering is one thing, believing is another. My dad always said it was faked. He was also almost always wrong. Good enough for me. At least you could usually count on his consistency. :)

[FlyingPhotog]

And I suppose Apollo 13 was just meant to hold people's interest for a few more missions?

Surely if the Moon landings were faked, the amount of research done on Apollo 13 by both 'traditional' media and Hollywood might have turned up something, dontcha think?

As unfriendly as Hollywood can be toward Government, someone would have been screaming foul a long time ago...

[Belmondo]

And I suppose Apollo 13 was just meant to hold people's interest for a few more missions?

Surely if the Moon landings were faked, the amount of research done on Apollo 13 by both 'traditional' media and Hollywood might have turned up something, dontcha think?

As unfriendly as Hollywood can be toward Government, someone would have been screaming foul a long time ago...

Oliver Stone will do it. Just give him some time.

[Tumak]

And I suppose Apollo 13 was just meant to hold people's interest for a few more missions?

Surely if the Moon landings were faked, the amount of research done on Apollo 13 by both 'traditional' media and Hollywood might have turned up something, dontcha think?

As unfriendly as Hollywood can be toward Government, someone would have been screaming foul a long time ago...

I believe the landings were real. By the time someone comes back with the proof (if fake, at least a bunch of Hasseys will not have been wasted cause they didn't go} I will probably be dead. So, not to worry about it for me.

[Tumak]

Oliver Stone will do it. Just give him some time.

Yeah, now there is a little credibility for you, very little.

[FlyingPhotog]

Yeah, now there is a little credibility for you, very little.

Watch how Neil Armstrong moves back and to the left...back and to the left...back and to the left...back and to the left...

Wash
Rinse
Repeat

[Tumak]

Watch how Neil Armstrong moves back and to the left...back and to the left...back and to the left...back and to the left...

Wash
Rinse
Repeat

HAHAHAHAHAHAAH:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
The best answer yet.

[BillsBayou]

Watch how Neil Armstrong moves back and to the left...back and to the left...back and to the left...back and to the left...

Wash
Rinse
Repeat

Well, in that case, it's got to be a fake. Unless, of course, Abraham Zapruder was on the Moon, which, clearly, he was not.* Therefore, he must have been there in the Nasa studios.


*6 clauses. My 8th grade teacher would have killed me for that one.

[dolfinack]

eek! Lads.. are you fo' reals?

- they left a flippin' laser reflector up there, and it still works!
- rocks that were brought back had pit marks as only found in moon rocks
- the Ruskies tracked them all the way there, and sat back in quiet envy
- the feather / moon experiment was videod (ok its from 1971 not 1969 but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C5_dOEyAfk )
- they filmed themselves being pulled into orbit and then landing

thats all I can think of in this few seconds. Couldn't be bothered typing any more. I don't like sharing common knowledge!

[RandyMN]

BTW TUMAK, your Avitar, is that you?

Looks like you lived on the moon for many years and come down to Earth only to have the gravity suck your face down to your neck...

[Tumak]

BTW TUMAK, your Avitar, is that you?

Looks like you lived on the moon for many years and come down to Earth only to have the gravity suck your face down to your neck...
Yes, it is I, but is greatly distorted. Gravity did seem to suck my chest down into my drawers (furniture disease) however :(.

It does make me look very "cerebral", don't you think.

[RandyMN]

Well, if you consider Frankenstein or Herman Munster 'cerebral', then yes it does.

[Tumak]

Well, if you consider Frankenstein or Herman Munster 'cerebral', then yes it does.
Abbie Normal?

[BillsBayou]

eek! Lads.. are you fo' reals?

- they left a flippin' laser reflector up there, and it still works!


Left there by unmanned probes.



- rocks that were brought back had pit marks as only found in moon rocks


Those were found here on Earth as meteorites and introduced to the public as souveniers from the moon.

Similar Martian meteorites will be used 20 years from now as the next hoax takes place.


- the Ruskies tracked them all the way there, and sat back in quiet envy


The Russians were in on it. The Cold War was a hoax as well. It was worked up between Stalin, Churchill and Eisenhower to escalate the economies of each nation after WWII.


- the feather / moon experiment was videod (ok its from 1971 not 1969 but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C5_dOEyAfk )


Small threads of plastic kept them falling at a constant rate. You can't see them because the threads are conveniently absent in poor quality videos.


- they filmed themselves being pulled into orbit and then landing


... on a Florida sound stage. Amazing what they can do with sets, isn't it?


thats all I can think of in this few seconds. Couldn't be bothered typing any more. I don't like sharing common knowledge!

Giving up so soon?

I was going to tell you how the Roswell aliens helped with the hoax.

[Tumak]

Forget Roswell already, I can go down the road and see for myself. What about MIB?
:)

[elysium]

As much as we can debate this, how can we actually PROVE with real comparisons of what the moon surface should look like etc (excluding the theory of gravity?)

Its a simple case of plausible denial from their part.

[BillsBayou]

As much as we can debate this, how can we actually PROVE with real comparisons of what the moon surface should look like etc (excluding the theory of gravity?)

Its a simple case of plausible denial from their part.

I think I tried a similar experiment in my mother's kitchen when I was 5. It all starts with a 10-lb bag of bread flour an the impact it makes with the floor...

[nicksan]

Wait a minute guys.
We landed on the moon?
When the hell was that?

[Tumak]

I think I tried a similar experiment in my mother's kitchen when I was 5. It all starts with a 10-lb bag of bread flour an the impact it makes with the floor...
Yeah, my neice did that from our dining room table. I have no memory of why the flour was in the dining room, but I bet the result was approximately the same. The dining room was carpeted.

[Tumak]

Wait a minute guys.
We landed on the moon?
When the hell was that?

Well, yeah, it's not exactly rocket scie..........., oh, never mind.

[txduggan]

They were part of the conspiracy too!

Good lord man! Don't you know anything about conspiracies? Your not thinking hard enough. Or maybe too hard. I dunno. What was the question?:rolleyes:

You've conspired against me! I knew it! All the red flags....Pink Floyd...barf laden Disney rocket ride seats.....telescopes that can see your neighbors showering......It was there all along! WHY WAS I SO BLIND?!?!?!?!??!

It's all true....my Chupacabra told me so......

Tom D

[S.Horton]

Wait a minute guys.
We landed on the moon?
When the hell was that?

ROFL!
:D:eek:

[RandyMN]

Uh uh, new Lunar Rover is going to circle the moon for a year and look for new landing sites. You can also put your name on a microchip and they'll take it up there.

Just watched that on the local news... Sounds like another conspiracy starting up!

http://lunar.gsfc.nasa.gov/

http://www.switched.com/2008/03/27/new-lunar-rover-unveiled/

[Tumak]

Uh uh, new Lunar Rover is going to circle the moon for a year and look for new landing sites. You can also put your name on a microchip and they'll take it up there.

Just watched that on the local news... Sounds like another conspiracy starting up!
Apparently, it should be looking for OLD landing sights.

[BillsBayou]

Wait a minute guys.
We landed on the moon?
When the hell was that?

I'll give you credit for posting your response in the form of a haiku. For the purists out there, if you sound incredulous when sounding out the middle line, "moon" has two sylables* to give the second line a total of seven.

*"moo-OON?" with a low lead-in and higher more emphasized second.

[RandyMN]

Apparently, it should be looking for OLD landing sights.

Well if they found them no one would believe it anyways.

[Tumak]

Well if they found them no one would believe it anyways.
If they could bring the stuff back, Ebay customers would.

[RandyMN]

If they could bring the stuff back, Ebay customers would.

Hey, you have a great idea as NASA could pay for the mission just off soveniers.

[Tumak]

Hey, you have a great idea as NASA could pay for the mission just off soveniers.
Just the capitalist in me coming out. If it could be anybody but NASA, it might work. :lol:

[RandyMN]

Just the capitalist in me coming out. If it could be anybody but NASA, it might work. :lol:

Such a pessimist...

BTW, I guess there is a shortage of moon dust.

Unique NASA Science Lab Tackles 'Sticky' Issue of Lunar Dust
Dust from the Earth's Moon is currently a single vial's worth, barely a teaspoon full -- is the focus of a vital study to help NASA send American explorers back to the Moon in coming decades.

[Belmondo]

Just the capitalist in me coming out. If it could be anybody but NASA, it might work. :lol:

Put AMTRAK or the US Post Office in charge.

[FlyingPhotog]

So given the level to which "Special Effects" have risen today (not to mention improvements in broadcast technology [HD, Digital, etc...])

IF NASA were to make it back to the Moon in your (that would be all y'all...) lifetime, would you be more or less inclined to believe it were true?

[Tumak]

Such a pessimist...

BTW, I guess there is a shortage of moon dust.

Unique NASA Science Lab Tackles 'Sticky' Issue of Lunar Dust
Dust from the Earth's Moon is currently a single vial's worth, barely a teaspoon full -- is the focus of a vital study to help NASA send American explorers back to the Moon in coming decades.

We can send BillsBayou and my neice up there. Wait a minute, she grew up. I guess it wil be up to BillsBayou.