View Full Version : Black Rapid's "R-strap" REVIEW w/photos
Permagrin
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 19:10
Some of us have been talking about the "R-strap". Whether it would be securely attached to the camera? Would it be comfortable? Would it work for a big man? Well my husband and I decided to order a couple of the R-2 straps. And from a preliminary examination, we can answer YES to the above questions. I'm including several shots of the strap on the camera & worn by my husband (who falls into the "big man" category and it's more than ample for his size).
http://www.blackrapid.com/rs2.php
you can see from the photos that it is not snug on a big man (and FYI it also will cinch down small enough for a petite woman)
front view wearing
http://lcimages.zenfolio.com/img/v1/p286574776-3.jpg
side view wearing
http://lcimages.zenfolio.com/img/v1/p131317148-3.jpg
the camera quickly and easily slides from it's resting place at your side
http://lcimages.zenfolio.com/img/v1/p49988468-3.jpg
to the shooting position
http://lcimages.zenfolio.com/img/v1/p277494090-3.jpg
the R strap hooks onto your camera at the tripod mount screw (comes with necc. attachment & plastic block to prevent the gate from coming open accidentally)
http://lcimages.zenfolio.com/img/v1/p505701801-4.jpg
and you can adjust the straps so that it falls at your side where it's most comfortable
http://lcimages.zenfolio.com/img/v1/p282144426-3.jpg
there is a pocket in front that opens up to hold a cell phone or even a M3 battery
http://lcimages.zenfolio.com/img/v1/p67610207-3.jpg
and closes with a velcro tab
http://lcimages.zenfolio.com/img/v1/p100178728-3.jpg
more in 2nd post
Permagrin
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 19:11
cont'd from part one
there is a padded overstrap that velcros to the main strap
http://lcimages.zenfolio.com/img/v1/p23374357-3.jpg
it has two zippered compartments for CF cards
http://lcimages.zenfolio.com/img/v1/p372851569-4.jpg
http://lcimages.zenfolio.com/img/v1/p372851569-4.jpg
and seems to open up large enough for several cards or possibly an XXD battery or two.
http://lcimages.zenfolio.com/img/v1/p186535292-4.jpg
and it velcros securely in place when you are finished switching out cards.
http://lcimages.zenfolio.com/img/v1/p172293379-3.jpg
Rstrap Videos from their website (http://www.blackrapid.com/video.php)
Overall, it appears to be everything they've claimed it to be. I've attached the M3 to it and can easily haul it and the 24-70 w/no discomfort. It actually distributes the weight better and feels much lighter than when it's around my neck. I don't think I'd haul the 300 2.8 this way but I wouldn't hesitate to put the 300 F4IS on and haul the camera with it like this.
I'll post more info as we've used them in the field, if there is any change.
edit: I forgot to mention that it seems to be made very well...not at all flimsy.
puddlepirate44
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 19:19
As the stunning model for that shoot.... I found the R-strap pretty comfortable. I've yet to take it out into the "field", but the one thing I like about it so far is that it's not out in front; it's off to the side, right at the hand, if I need it.
One downside.... The strap bolts into the tripod socket. So, if I need to use the tripod on the camera body, I'll have to take off the strap.
Obviously, this will be a personal preference thing. I'll let you know more as I use it.
jedi1354
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 19:25
looks really nice and a stunning model. but alas the price of the R strap is fairly steep for what it is
Permagrin
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 19:37
looks really nice and a stunning model. but alas the price of the R strap is fairly steep for what it is
true in a way...I've already replaced my optec strap 2x in 2.5 years. If this lasts longer than that, then it will actually be less expensive.
markubig
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 19:39
can you only order this from Black Rapids or are there resellers that we can get them from?
Permagrin
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 19:40
can you only order this from Black Rapids or are there resellers that we can get them from?
I ordered from them directly but they use paypal so you don't have to give them your card number if you are nervous.
I don't know about re-sellers.
nutsnbolts
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 19:53
Seems bulky to have the strap store anything. Looks good either way.
Looks like this is on backorder? Is this still the case?
Permagrin
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 20:03
I believe the R-1 doesn't have pouches (if you don't want to carry anything in it)
and I don't know about the backorder.
When I ordered, I got an email from them saying it was on backorder and they gave me a shipping date (it was to ship 7 days after I ordered) and they came just when they said they would.
The customer service person told me they are selling more than they expected.
Jon
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 20:10
You realise, of course, that there'll be no living with him now he's an internationally-known model of name-brand couture . . .
:{)#
JWright
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 20:13
There was a woman at the San Diego Red Bull Air Races yesterday that was using a pair of these. She had a 70-200 hung on one side and what appeared to be a 400 f2.8 on the other. The hardware is all metal and she said hers have held up through an entire NASCAR season.
I'm very interested in these as they would be perfect for my air show shooting.
markubig
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 20:14
I believe the R-1 doesn't have pouches (if you don't want to carry anything in it) So I guess the R1 and the R2 are the same size except for the pouch to carry the extra stuff?
Permagrin
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 20:15
You realise, of course, that there'll be no living with him now he's an internationally-known model of name-brand couture . . .
:{)#
He's already told me to "call his agent" when I asked him to mow the lawn :lol:
There was a woman at the San Diego Red Bull Air Races yesterday that was using a pair of these. She had a 70-200 hung on one side and what appeared to be a 400 f2.8 on the other. The hardware is all metal and she said hers have held up through an entire NASCAR season.
I'm very interested in these as they would be perfect for my air show shooting.
I should have mentioned that about the hardware. It is very solid. I never thought about using two together...I was considering getting an up-strap for my second camera. I'll have to test out his and mine together to see how two work in tandem.
Permagrin
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 20:16
So I guess the R1 and the R2 are the same size except for the pouch to carry the extra stuff?
that I don't know...it may say on their site. We bought two of the R2's.
Permagrin
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 20:18
John, that's interesting about the 400 2.8 on it....I was afraid to test the 300 2.8 on it...but maybe I will...
lowcrust
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 20:45
Thanks a lot for this guys. I'd be all over one if it wasn't for the "tripod inconvenience".
Permagrin
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 20:47
Thanks a lot for this guys. I'd be all over one if it wasn't for the "tripod inconvenience".
most of the time I use my tripod with my telephoto lenses (and attach the tripod to the lens collar) so for me, it's not an issue. If you used a tripod with a WA lens all the time, it would be an inconvenience.
Familiaphoto
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 21:45
I just got my R1 today and spent 30 minutes playing quick shooter. Besides feeling silly doing that I have to admit the strap worked better than I expected. Being a big guy as well I was nervous it woudn't be comfortable but it is. Now I tested it with my 70-200 f/2.8 attaching the R-Strap to the tripod ring and I like how the camera hung balanced at my side. Very nice feel. Given I shoot with a 40D and use a grip I don't think I would attach to the grip's tripod mount with the 70-200 attached. I would be afraid of the grip coming loose.
puddlepirate44
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 22:03
I just got my R1 today and spent 30 minutes playing quick shooter. Besides feeling silly doing that I have to admit the strap worked better than I expected. Being a big guy as well I was nervous it woudn't be comfortable but it is. Now I tested it with my 70-200 f/2.8 attaching the R-Strap to the tripod ring and I like how the camera hung balanced at my side. Very nice feel. Given I shoot with a 40D and use a grip I don't think I would attach to the grip's tripod mount with the 70-200 attached. I would be afraid of the grip coming loose.
Thanks for pointing that out. In those pics, I had the 40D and the 80-200 f/2.8. The lens is pretty heavy for that focal range. With a regular neck strap, it seemed weighty. I used that combo recently for about three or four hours at a shoot, and I really started to notice the weight. I'm thinking that the redistribution of the weight via that Rstrap will ease some of that problem. It seems better displaced.
Canon Soldier
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 22:05
why dont you just use a normal strap?
Permagrin
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 22:08
why dont you just use a normal strap?
the initial reason I bought this was because I haul two cameras and didn't want them both around my neck...but now I like the idea of having neither around my neck... :)
puddlepirate44
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 22:12
There's nothing wrong with the standard neck strap. This is an alternative. Instead of the camera residing out front when not in use, it's off to the side, more out of the way. I like that idea. With heavier lenses, the weight is not on the neck alone, but redistributed across the body, taking away that literal pain in the neck that can happen with some people. This is strictly a personal preference, but as this is somewhat of a new item on the market, we thought we'd put out a small review as we use it in case anyone was interested.
nutsnbolts
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 22:14
Hmm, I'm wondering whether I should purchase an R1 and an R2. I'm not comfortable with the large R2 strap. Then again, I'm not really interested in carrying "stuff" in those pockets.
puddlepirate44
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 22:24
Hmm, I'm wondering whether I should purchase an R1 and an R2. I'm not comfortable with the large R2 strap. Then again, I'm not really interested in carrying "stuff" in those pockets.
I wasn't sure either. To be honest, the only reason I went with the R2, and this will sound stupid, but my wife and I do a lot of shooting together. For example, last night, we were shooting at a big ol' rodeo. I was on one side of the pavilion, she on the other. Our only means of communication was via our cell phones. My cell was in my pants pocket and in the midst of all the noise/music/cheering, I couldn't hear the ring. Having the cell closer to my head would be nice. That and having a place for CF cards, business cards, etc. always stored in that spot, ready to go, was also nice.
Nothing wrong with the R1, it's the exact same as the R2, but without the pouch. All the hardware is essentially the same, as far as I know.
nutsnbolts
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 22:30
I wasn't sure either. To be honest, the only reason I went with the R2, and this will sound stupid, but my wife and I do a lot of shooting together. For example, last night, we were shooting at a big ol' rodeo. I was on one side of the pavilion, she on the other. Our only means of communication was via our cell phones. My cell was in my pants pocket and in the midst of all the noise/music/cheering, I couldn't hear the ring. Having the cell closer to my head would be nice. That and having a place for CF cards, business cards, etc. always stored in that spot, ready to go, was also nice.
Nothing wrong with the R1, it's the exact same as the R2, but without the pouch. All the hardware is essentially the same, as far as I know.
That is a funny reason to have the pockets :lol:
I travel abroad at least 4 times a year and I rarely ever have said to myself, I wish I had pockets in my strap. That is usually having two bodies across my body, backpack with tripod strapped.
The biggest gripe that I had always had which I said was damn I wish they created a "shoulder side" strap where it makes it easier to carry two bodies without having the camera bump against you pressing buttons accidentally.
All and behold, here I am.
markubig
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 22:43
So how are you guys comfortably carrying 2 bodies utilizing the R-straps . . . wanna share pictures?
Permagrin
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 22:44
So how are you guys comfortably carrying 2 bodies utilizing the R-straps . . . wanna share pictures?
we haven't tried that yet...will do some tests tomorrow and take some shots.
theyangster
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 22:51
For those of you who like the idea of the R-strap, but don't want to buy b/c it's a bit too much, you can go the DIY route like I did.
And for people who already have an R-strap, I came up with a different mounting method that I think is slimmer than the current design of the R-strap attachment.
the thread is here
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=458552&page=4
and here's the photo of the mentioned attachment (see thread for details)
http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1464/20080423img8715smallif4.jpg
lowcrust
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 22:54
most of the time I use my tripod with my telephoto lenses (and attach the tripod to the lens collar) so for me, it's not an issue. If you used a tripod with a WA lens all the time, it would be an inconvenience.
When I travel I wanna be able to quickly attach the camera to a tripod, so that makes this too tedious for me. Oddly enough it's also during travels that would appreciate the shoot-from-the-hip functionality of this strap the most.
This could easily be fixed in version 2.0 by introducing a female socket on the bottom of the strap holder. My 2 dollar eBay hand strap have this.
puddlepirate44
5th of May 2008 (Mon), 23:10
This could easily be fixed in version 2.0 by introducing a female socket on the bottom of the strap holder. My 2 dollar eBay hand strap have this.
And when this happens, I'll be one of the first in line. :D
DDA
6th of May 2008 (Tue), 00:48
to the shooting position
http://lcimages.zenfolio.com/img/v1/p277494090-3.jpg
This is a strap for amateurs...
Look, their model shoots with reversed hood and lens cap! :shock:
Really useful to be able to bring quickly your camera to your eye if you don't remove the cap. :rolleyes:
Permagrin
6th of May 2008 (Tue), 00:48
This is a strap for amateurs...
Look, their model shoots with reversed hood and lens cap! :shock:
Really useful to be able to bring quickly your camera to your eye if you don't remove the cap. :rolleyes:
:lol::lol: you know...I WONDERED if anyone would say anything about that :lol:
DDA
6th of May 2008 (Tue), 01:06
I knew it was done on purpose :p
ed rader
6th of May 2008 (Tue), 02:36
you have to disconnect the strap if you are using a QR plate?
dumb design. also who the heck wants to wear a fanny pack around their neck :D?
ed rader
nutsnbolts
6th of May 2008 (Tue), 05:26
you have to disconnect the strap if you are using a QR plate?
dumb design. also who the heck wants to wear a fanny pack around their neck :D?
ed rader
Hahaha, fanny packs are cool. Around the neck, even cooler. I'm thinking of actually using the QR plate as the attachment point. They say you can do that but I'm second guessing myself now. Just because there is a D ring doesn't mean you can do that to it.
Any thoughts about this?
Permagrin
6th of May 2008 (Tue), 10:17
Hahaha, fanny packs are cool. Around the neck, even cooler. I'm thinking of actually using the QR plate as the attachment point. They say you can do that but I'm second guessing myself now. Just because there is a D ring doesn't mean you can do that to it.
Any thoughts about this?
Maybe we'll test this out today too and see. The only thing I would be worried about is the quick release plate coming loose. The attachment that comes with the strap has an extra tightening dial to make sure that doesn't happen.
daikatana
6th of May 2008 (Tue), 18:15
I've used these straps on the field for a while now for wedding and location work.
Overall they are really good but not great.
PROS:
1. Comfortable to have them on all day
2. I like the fact you can have the camera and lens behind you so you can navigate through crowds/aisles without banging your equipment on the sides
3. When I have two on me (One sling across and the other hanging on my shoulder) I like grabbing the one on my shoulder and being able to shoot in portrait without the strap getting the in the way
CONS:
1. You have to constantly check the screw is secure. I've had an instance when my assistant handed me the cam with a 70-200 2.8 IS attached and it just fell on concrete. Luckily it was only a 30cm dropped.
2. Can't shoot portrait with battery grip
3. I have to put the camera on the side when placing it on the ground because of the screw. Personally I prefer to lie my camera on its bottom
4. Have to removed it to attached to the tripod
So now depending on the job I switch between the optech strap and the R-Strap
CyberDyneSystems
6th of May 2008 (Tue), 18:48
looks really nice and a stunning model. but alas the price of the R strap is fairly steep for what it is
A $10.00 RC2 connector and a dog leash?
Still, pretty nice idea!
CyberDyneSystems
6th of May 2008 (Tue), 18:51
you have to disconnect the strap if you are using a QR plate?
dumb design. also who the heck wants to wear a fanny pack around their neck :D?
ed rader
Easily surmountable,
RC2 already has a loop for the dog leash clip,. so just uyse one of those if you use RC2 clamps,
And I bet with some prodding the R-Strap people would make an Arca compatible model as well. (this worked for me with the hand strap guy, he made both RC2 and Arca versions)
Familiaphoto
6th of May 2008 (Tue), 18:58
I've used these straps on the field for a while now for wedding and location work.
Overall they are really good but not great.
PROS:
1. Comfortable to have them on all day
2. I like the fact you can have the camera and lens behind you so you can navigate through crowds/aisles without banging your equipment on the sides
3. When I have two on me (One sling across and the other hanging on my shoulder) I like grabbing the one on my shoulder and being able to shoot in portrait without the strap getting the in the way
CONS:
1. You have to constantly check the screw is secure. I've had an instance when my assistant handed me the cam with a 70-200 2.8 IS attached and it just fell on concrete. Luckily it was only a 30cm dropped.
2. Can't shoot portrait with battery grip
3. I have to put the camera on the side when placing it on the ground because of the screw. Personally I prefer to lie my camera on its bottom
4. Have to removed it to attached to the tripod
So now depending on the job I switch between the optech strap and the R-Strap
On the highlighted item above, why can't you shoot in portrait mode? I've tried mine in portrait and have had no issue with the R-Strap attached to the tripod colar on the lens. Perhaps your comment is for when the R-Strap is attached to the grip.
Doh, I'm a goof, I just just answered my own question. :D
puddlepirate44
6th of May 2008 (Tue), 22:58
Hi, All.
Here's a shot of the R Strap attached to a standard QR plate D-ring. Seems to work OK, I've yet to test it out on the field, but I like the idea of being able to disconnect the strap and go straight to mono/tripod.
http://PuddlePirate-Photography.smugmug.com/photos/291127807_i2RPE-L.jpg
Blue S2
11th of May 2008 (Sun), 15:30
I just placed an order for the R2. Its backordered but thats ok. I use L-plates on my cameras and they don't have the QR-loop. I'm actually thinking of ordered another RRS clamp with screw instead of lever for security and locking it tight to the R2. That way I can quick release and go to a tripod should I need.
I also use a ThinkTank belt system. I had a makeshift camera bag strap hooking to rings I attached to the camera to do this very thing the Rapid strap does. It's been working, but I have to large hooks I have to undo all the time and that slows me down a bit. I think this will be perfect. Between the belt system and this strap I'll be able to carry everything I need and have instant access in any situation without a bag hanging around me.
JohnJ80
11th of May 2008 (Sun), 20:49
I've used these straps on the field for a while now for wedding and location work.
Overall they are really good but not great.
PROS:
1. Comfortable to have them on all day
2. I like the fact you can have the camera and lens behind you so you can navigate through crowds/aisles without banging your equipment on the sides
3. When I have two on me (One sling across and the other hanging on my shoulder) I like grabbing the one on my shoulder and being able to shoot in portrait without the strap getting the in the way
CONS:
1. You have to constantly check the screw is secure. I've had an instance when my assistant handed me the cam with a 70-200 2.8 IS attached and it just fell on concrete. Luckily it was only a 30cm dropped.
2. Can't shoot portrait with battery grip
3. I have to put the camera on the side when placing it on the ground because of the screw. Personally I prefer to lie my camera on its bottom
4. Have to removed it to attached to the tripod
So now depending on the job I switch between the optech strap and the R-Strap
The solution to the above items under "CONS" is simple. I take an extra A-S clamp that I have and mount that to the straps tripod connector. Since I have L brackets on both my cameras, I just mount it as appropriate on the side of the L bracket that makes sense. For portrait orientation, I mount it on the side of the camera, for example. That also means it never comes loose or wants to work itself out and it is then can be made to work with a tripod.
J
Permagrin
19th of June 2008 (Thu), 16:15
update: Aside from daily use, I've used the R-strap w/one camera and the POTN strap with the other camera for 3 events now...I didn't realize how useful it was til the wedding I just shot. After my last wedding (before this one) the morning after, my neck was killing me...so was my shoulder...this time no pain. So while it is expensive, it is working great and very functional. I recommend it highly, especially for those who use multiple cameras.
The only thing I haven't liked is that the strap tends to slide (the pocket part) down towards my hip...I don't like having to adjust it back to my shoulder, but it's a small thing in the scope of everything.
Hyun
19th of June 2008 (Thu), 16:19
Thank you for the review--very helpful. I recently got an Optech strap to replace the OEM strap, but find it to be a bit short. This looks perfect.
GM_of_OLC
19th of June 2008 (Thu), 17:52
update: Aside from daily use, I've used the R-strap w/one camera and....
Do you wear a bag when you use the R-strap/would it be possible to?
Permagrin
19th of June 2008 (Thu), 17:57
Do you wear a bag when you use the R-strap/would it be possible to?
you could wear a bag....my husband does with his...though, once he entangled them and tried to throttle himself :lol:
JWright
19th of June 2008 (Thu), 22:08
Hi, All.
Here's a shot of the R Strap attached to a standard QR plate D-ring. Seems to work OK, I've yet to test it out on the field, but I like the idea of being able to disconnect the strap and go straight to mono/tripod.
http://puddlepirate-photography.smugmug.com/photos/291127807_i2RPE-L.jpg
I'd be a little skeptical about using the R-Strap in this fashion. I'd be concerned the weight of the camera/lens combination would pull the D-ring out of the RC2 plate and the camera would fall. I don't know how far into the center screw the ends of the D-ring go...
The solution to the above items under "CONS" is simple. I take an extra A-S clamp that I have and mount that to the straps tripod connector. Since I have L brackets on both my cameras, I just mount it as appropriate on the side of the L bracket that makes sense. For portrait orientation, I mount it on the side of the camera, for example. That also means it never comes loose or wants to work itself out and it is then can be made to work with a tripod.
I never thought of this... I've noticed the RRS L brackets and lens plates have a 1/4X20 threaded socket in them so it's no problem to mount the R-Strap connector to them. The plates from Kirk do not have the socket. Kirk makes a similar strap that has an A-S compatible clamp on it, but it doesn't slide along the strap. I've used it in the same fashion as the R-Strap but it's not as smooth. http://www.kirkphoto.com/SS1big.jpg
update: Aside from daily use, I've used the R-strap w/one camera and the POTN strap with the other camera for 3 events now...I didn't realize how useful it was til the wedding I just shot. After my last wedding (before this one) the morning after, my neck was killing me...so was my shoulder...this time no pain. So while it is expensive, it is working great and very functional. I recommend it highly, especially for those who use multiple cameras.
The only thing I haven't liked is that the strap tends to slide (the pocket part) down towards my hip...I don't like having to adjust it back to my shoulder, but it's a small thing in the scope of everything.
Mine also slides like that and I've developed the little "strap adjustment" twitch that comes from having to adjust it constantly.
you could wear a bag....my husband does with his...though, once he entangled them and tried to throttle himself :lol:
I use a Think Tank Change-Up which hangs in front. It has crossed straps that support it so all the weight isn't on the waist. If you're not careful these can get tangled with the R-Strap but for the most part they work fairly well together. Just don't wear a hooded sweatshirt... I used the Change-Up and R-Strap while wearing one and about choked myself every time I took the R-Strap off...
Permagrin
19th of June 2008 (Thu), 22:15
John, I didn't know you picked up the R strap. Cool!
He hasn't had the D-ring come loose but frankly it's not something I'd chance either. I like the extra security of the Rstrap bolt/tightener.
JWright
20th of June 2008 (Fri), 00:12
John, I didn't know you picked up the R strap. Cool!
He hasn't had the D-ring come loose but frankly it's not something I'd chance either. I like the extra security of the Rstrap bolt/tightener.
Yeah, it came while I was in the hospital. I guess I just forgot to mention it.
I found the thread on the R-strap fastener is a little long for the tripod socket on the bottom of the BG-E2N grip. With the tightener screw, it still attached very securely. I carried the camera that way for a good part of the day yesterday.
20DNewbie
20th of June 2008 (Fri), 10:30
I gave mine(RS-2) the first go through yesterday at a baseball game and all I can say is I'm really happy with it. I had a gripped 40D with the 70-200 2.8L attached to the foot and it was much more comfortable than the regular strap. I also used the clip on the RC2 D-ring method and wasn't concerned about it breaking away so to speak at all.
Now after reading this I was wondering how much force it would take to pull the D-ring out. So I grabbed a pair of needle nose pliers and jammed them into the D-ring and and started pulling apart the handles. It took quite a bit to get it to pop out, it isn't in very far but I'm damn near certain if someone was to grab the lens and try to run with it I'd be on the ground before the ring would pop again. So I pretty sure the mentioned set up will be more than fine with it.
Now all I need to do is find something to screw it into and put it through a real test.:twisted:
I better order some more before I destroy this one completely.:lol:
Blue S2
21st of June 2008 (Sat), 23:57
I also just received my Rs-1 to go with my Rs-2. Having used these for a couple weeks now...I can definitely say they are awesome. I regularly shoot with a ThinkTank belt system and this perfect with that setup.
Kiron Kid
22nd of June 2008 (Sun), 00:29
When shooting weddings with two rigs, the Black Rapid and the Wapiti strap, work very well together.
Kiron Kid
Franko515
22nd of June 2008 (Sun), 09:18
Hi, All.
Here's a shot of the R Strap attached to a standard QR plate D-ring. Seems to work OK, I've yet to test it out on the field, but I like the idea of being able to disconnect the strap and go straight to mono/tripod.
http://PuddlePirate-Photography.smugmug.com/photos/291127807_i2RPE-L.jpg
I wouldnt try this.
The D-ring doesnt go through the bolt, it only fits on the bolt (the d-ring only goes into the bolt a little)
After the bolt is tight another turn of the d-ring will pop it right loose (or maybe my workout is paying off :lol:).
Pinto
22nd of June 2008 (Sun), 15:00
I wouldnt try this.
The D-ring doesnt go through the bolt, it only fits on the bolt (the d-ring only goes into the bolt a little)
After the bolt is tight another turn of the d-ring will pop it right loose (or maybe my workout is paying off :lol:).
I have to agree strongly with this advice. While the D-ring on the Manfrotto plate looks like a quick and easy solution, the problem as Franko515 and the other posters have noted is that the D-ring is seated in a relatively shallow hole. Its only purpose is for use in seating/unseating the mounting screw.
The problem will come when the weight and angle of stress on the end of the D-ring become perfect and pop the ring from its seating.
puddlepirate44
22nd of June 2008 (Sun), 17:43
OK, cool. Thanks for the feedback. I'll change this out before my next shoot.
Kiron Kid
22nd of June 2008 (Sun), 19:37
OK, cool. Thanks for the feedback. I'll change this out before my next shoot.
Just today, I lengthened the plastic tubing on the gate latch. It's much better now. I found the supplied piece to be too short. I paid a whopping $0.17 for a foot of it.
Kiron Kid
Pinto
22nd of June 2008 (Sun), 21:23
I have to agree strongly with this advice. While the D-ring on the Manfrotto plate looks like a quick and easy solution, the problem as Franko515 and the other posters have noted is that the D-ring is seated in a relatively shallow hole. Its only purpose is for use in seating/unseating the mounting screw.
The problem will come when the weight and angle of stress on the end of the D-ring become perfect and pop the ring from its seating.
The other side of this coin is that it wouldn't take much to drill the D-ring indent completely through and install a stainless split ring. The ring would have to be small enough to fit in the indented space in the plate but that shouldn't be too big a challenge. With this modification I think the R-strap/plate combination might be a very legitimate setup.
Bob D.
22nd of June 2008 (Sun), 21:31
CONS:
1. You have to constantly check the screw is secure. I've had an instance when my assistant handed me the cam with a 70-200 2.8 IS attached and it just fell on concrete. Luckily it was only a 30cm dropped.
2. Can't shoot portrait with battery grip
3. I have to put the camera on the side when placing it on the ground because of the screw. Personally I prefer to lie my camera on its bottom
4. Have to removed it to attached to the tripod
I too recently got an R1 strap. Except for the loosing screw mentioned by others the other 3 issues bother me too. I find the strap very comfortable and less strain on the neck but having to lay the camera on its side when setting it down and the interference when shooting in portrait are the tow biggest for me.
nutsnbolts
23rd of June 2008 (Mon), 00:18
I have just ordered the R1 and R2 strap. My biggest issue with regular camera straps, especially when you have two cameras is the strap falling right over the eyepiece when going into portrait mode. So annoying! I have to keep using my nose to move it out of the way.
PhotoJourno
23rd of June 2008 (Mon), 00:42
This looks like a very interesting rig (R Series Strap). It reminds me of the tried and true M-4 tac sling. The concept is not a new one, and it will be favored by some photographers more than others.
Nothing to do with the strap, but with personal opinions.
As for me, I am going to get an R1 for a couple of reasons. First, in some circumstances I could use a backup strap for the main camera. So I don't need to crowd the standard strap slots, I can just have a backup to keep the camera from falling to its doom. Second reason is -as mentioned earlier on- it looks like a really comfy way to carry a tele lens, along with your cameras (when you can't or won't use your bag). Sports photography is a great example, you have two bodies, and three lenses. 16-35 and 70-200 mounted, but say a 300 3.8 or 400mm hanging on the side. You can make a swap without any effort.
I have been using quick release straps for safety reasons most of the time, given the last chopper ride -keep your cameras inside the aircraft at all times-, and a long climb up a tower (where the cameras were made available to me via rope and pulley rig, with both 1Ds and $4000 of lenses attached to the straps with no backup, I almost broke the record for altitude barfing). On their way down, I was the one securing them, so I worked aorund the quick release.
Again, it's all in the use of the camera. If I have to deploy a fire shelter, life sucks. Cameras get out in two simple moves (one per camera), allowing me to drop pack and deploy safely. I am suppossed to do this in 20-30 seconds (which despite practice, I am nowhere near). With normal straps, I'd be one unlucky photographer in case of emergency.
troypiggo
4th of July 2008 (Fri), 19:00
Well I just can't control myself. Been pondering this for some time, thinking about possibly making a DIY version etc. Done some preliminary searching for places here in Brisbane, Australia that I could get the parts from, wondered about costs and my time to make it, worrying about botching it all up etc.
For some reason just this morning I had another look at the BlackRapid website and before I knew it I'd clickety-clicked myself onto the order page and now I've got a RS-2 on it's way to me. :rolleyes: :o
One thing to mention about ordering from BlackRapid - seems the FastenR comes with it. There's nowhere I found to opt out of it, even though it says you probably don't need it if you're going to use your tripod plate's D-ring. I think they should give you an option for no FastenR to save US$12.
Kiron Kid
4th of July 2008 (Fri), 19:15
Well I just can't control myself. Been pondering this for some time, thinking about possibly making a DIY version etc. Done some preliminary searching for places here in Brisbane, Australia that I could get the parts from, wondered about costs and my time to make it, worrying about botching it all up etc.
For some reason just this morning I had another look at the BlackRapid website and before I knew it I'd clickety-clicked myself onto the order page and now I've got a RS-2 on it's way to me. :rolleyes: :o
One thing to mention about ordering from BlackRapid - seems the FastenR comes with it. There's nowhere I found to opt out of it, even though it says you probably don't need it if you're going to use your tripod plate's D-ring. I think they should give you an option for no FastenR to save US$12.
I'd be careful with using the tripod's D ring as an attachment point. Most of those D-rings on tripod plates weren't meant to be used for that purpose, and may be much too weak to serve this purpose.
Kiron Kid
troypiggo
4th of July 2008 (Fri), 19:49
Will do. Thanks for the heads up. I have checked mine out and it is pretty good quality - Manfrotto 488RC2 ballhead - but still...
puddlepirate44
4th of July 2008 (Fri), 19:53
I had mine snapped to the QR plate, too, but, after reading all the warnings of my comrades in arms here on this thread, I decided to go back with the supplied FastenR. If nothing else for the ease of mind.
Kiron Kid
4th of July 2008 (Fri), 21:14
Will do. Thanks for the heads up. I have checked mine out and it is pretty good quality - Manfrotto 488RC2 ballhead - but still...
Troy
I'm familiar with that ballhead. Does it still have the little D ring on the bottom of the plate? If so, I'd be wary of it too. Those wire rings don't go far into the plate...
Kiron Kid
troypiggo
4th of July 2008 (Fri), 21:19
It does have that little D-ring. I'll use the FastenR. Thanks.
Kiron Kid
4th of July 2008 (Fri), 22:37
It does have that little D-ring. I'll use the FastenR. Thanks.
Troy
Let me know what you think of the Black Rapid Strap. I haven't had mine long. But, I'll be shooting two weddings with it this weekend.
Kiron Kid
Kiron Kid
6th of July 2008 (Sun), 03:31
I just returned from a long wedding shoot. I had one rig on the Black Rapid strap, and the other rig on the Up-Strap. This particular combination worked quite well. Maybe I'll experiment with two Black Rapids... Also, the Think Tank Pro Speed belt and Speed Changer, made life much easier too.
Kiron
ofdphoto
6th of July 2008 (Sun), 03:37
The FastenR makes the vertical grip buttons hard to use.
condyk
6th of July 2008 (Sun), 06:17
Lookin' good PuddleP' but take care of that beard with the velcro man ;-) Looks like an accident waitin' to happen.
So how is it practically compared to the Up Strap? Depending on how and what you shoot I'd guess the Up Strap would be better, like if you have a big boy lens on a monopod over one shoulder and then a small lens/body combo secure on the other shoulder. Easy to take the Up Strap off while using the monopod if necessary. This strap is kinda stuck there across your body with the camera flapping around your waist in the way. Also the an Up Strap QR strap on each body you can swap monopod body and strap body at will. Takes seconds. None of the unscrewing tripod mount thing involved. There is a better strap system yet to be built but not sure this is it. I always think the strap lugs should be mid way down the side of the body not at the top. Then the body and lens hangs straight down and non of that accidentally banging the lens on doorways stuff. Anyway, be interested in how the 'field trials' go.
puddlepirate44
6th of July 2008 (Sun), 08:28
The FastenR makes the vertical grip buttons hard to use.
I can see that. I've only got the ungripped 40D, so that's not an issue for me. Perhaps Lisa will chime in with her opinion on that.
Lookin' good PuddleP' but take care of that beard with the velcro man ;-) Looks like an accident waitin' to happen.
:D Oh, the stories I could tell....
So how is it practically compared to the Up Strap?
I've looked into the UpStrap, and that may be an option for me in the future. Those straps look great, too. I'm not saying that the R Strap is the world's best camera strap known to man, but I've found it to be much better than the traditional neck strap, at least for me. I had it out yesterday for a few hours while shooting a Civil War re-enactment, and it worked great. Granted, the monopod was connected to the collar on the lens, but in the past, as in the fireworks that I shot on the 4th, taking the RStrap off of the camera body so that I can use the tripod is just a matter of a few seconds.
Blue S2
6th of July 2008 (Sun), 09:42
If you use an L-plate...the strap can attach to the left side and then the vertical grip buttons will be totally free to use.
JohnJ80
6th of July 2008 (Sun), 10:38
I can see that. I've only got the ungripped 40D, so that's not an issue for me. Perhaps Lisa will chime in with her opinion on that.
:D Oh, the stories I could tell....
I've looked into the UpStrap, and that may be an option for me in the future. Those straps look great, too. I'm not saying that the R Strap is the world's best camera strap known to man, but I've found it to be much better than the traditional neck strap, at least for me. I had it out yesterday for a few hours while shooting a Civil War re-enactment, and it worked great. Granted, the monopod was connected to the collar on the lens, but in the past, as in the fireworks that I shot on the 4th, taking the RStrap off of the camera body so that I can use the tripod is just a matter of a few seconds.
I use an UPstrap - it is my other strap to complement my Blackrapid one. The Upstrap is my prefered strap and is very good.
J.
djeuch
6th of July 2008 (Sun), 10:52
Those of you with two R-straps - how do you use them? Criss-cross?
Kiron Kid
6th of July 2008 (Sun), 11:42
Those of you with two R-straps - how do you use them? Criss-cross?
Yes.
JohnJ80
6th of July 2008 (Sun), 12:53
criss cross, they don't work very well any other way.
j
Kiron Kid
7th of July 2008 (Mon), 01:18
criss cross, they don't work very well any other way.
j
I just returned from an eight hour wedding shoot. The Black Rapid, combined with the Up-Strap, worked out quite well.
troypiggo
7th of July 2008 (Mon), 01:25
What's the Up-Strap?
<clickety /> Oh, never mind. Found it. Just a non-slip pad that you added onto the RS-2?
Kiron Kid
7th of July 2008 (Mon), 01:32
What's the Up-Strap?
<clickety /> Oh, never mind. Found it. Just a non-slip pad that you added onto the RS-2?
No, not an anti-slip strap attached to the R strap. http://www.upstrap-pro.com/
troypiggo
7th of July 2008 (Mon), 01:39
I didn't say "strap", I said "pad". When you said "Black Rapid, combined with the Up-Strap, worked out quite well" I assumed you mean the Up-Strap rubber grip added onto the R-Strap. I guess you meant 2 cameras, one R-Strap and the other Up-Strap?
nutsnbolts
7th of July 2008 (Mon), 09:05
I have bought both the RS1 and RS2 for both my cameras. I'm not thrilled with the RS2 due to the bulk but I also wanted to give it a try to see the difference between the two. Definitely the RS1 is more streamlined and less bulky and honestly, there is really never a time I don't have a small bag with me to carry "other things" to warrant the extra pockets in the RS2. Well, either way, I bought both one of each, just in case. I also can make the argument that I don't always use two cameras 60-70 percent of the time. The ease of switching is relatively painless.
I have used the D-ring 488RC2 qr plate on a gripped camera. Seems to hold steady. I don't let it swing like tarzan but that is just my insecurity.
Regarding two criss cross, hmm..haven't yet tried it. I think it can work..not totally sure so I will have to get back to everyone on that.
JWright
7th of July 2008 (Mon), 12:23
Just today, I lengthened the plastic tubing on the gate latch. It's much better now. I found the supplied piece to be too short. I paid a whopping $0.17 for a foot of it.
Kiron Kid
I've found two issues with my R-Strap... The first is the little piece of plastic tubing. It's a nuisance. It makes it very difficult to remove the clip from the fastener and I'm finding I usually just unscrew the fastener from the bottom of the camera without unclipping it. If there was a problem with the clips coming undone, then this is just a band-aid fix and really doesn't solve the problem. To my way of thinking, the spring in the clip is sufficient to hold it closed.
The other issue I have is the size of the cell phone pocket. I have a phone with a full keyboard and it is too long for the pocket. If I put my phone in the pocket, the flap won't close on the velcro strip. I was able to solve it (I hope) with a short piece of double-sided velcro.
Permagrin
7th of July 2008 (Mon), 12:26
That plastic bit of tubing was added to make it difficult for the clip to unclip.
Actually the cellphone pocket is bugging me too. The RS2 is rather heavily weighted because of all the pockets...and it (the pad) slides around a lot. I think when I buy my next one, I'll buy the RS1. Or cut the pocket section off this one.
JWright
7th of July 2008 (Mon), 13:19
That plastic bit of tubing was added to make it difficult for the clip to unclip.
Actually the cellphone pocket is bugging me too. The RS2 is rather heavily weighted because of all the pockets...and it (the pad) slides around a lot. I think when I buy my next one, I'll buy the RS1. Or cut the pocket section off this one.
That's the whole issue I'm having with the plastic. It makes it almost impossible to get the clip loose from the fastener. I just tried to unclip the fastener on mine and dropped the plastic on the carpet. It took me a couple of minutes to find it. I could just imagine dropping it outside. It would be gone forever.
If they felt they had to add the plastic, then something is wrong with the design. There are more secure and easier to use alternatives. A metal D-ring on the strap and a small carabiner-type fasterner with a locking gate would work very well.
I find the pad slides around a lot, even when I have nothing in the pockets. I've already e-mailed them about the size of the cell phone pocket and I'm waiting to hear how they respond.
troypiggo
15th of July 2008 (Tue), 01:50
My RS-2 just turned up. I haven't tried it out yet shooting, but seems to work as advertised. Just re-read this thread to figure out what the plastic tubing was for. It's going in the bin. I thought there was an issue with the FastnR working loose, and the plastic tubing was somehow supposed to help that, but must've misunderstood.
ofdphoto
15th of July 2008 (Tue), 03:11
Don't throw it out.
Someone's 5D hit the ground because the clip opened for it. The tubing stops that happening.
troypiggo
15th of July 2008 (Tue), 03:20
Ok. Might have to look at a better clip solution then. It's painful trying to open and close as it is. May cut a V-slot in it or something.
cheson74
22nd of July 2008 (Tue), 02:13
Are there any issues with the clip scuffing up the camera body? Clip looks like it's made of metal.
JohnJ80
22nd of July 2008 (Tue), 12:10
Don't throw it out.
Someone's 5D hit the ground because the clip opened for it. The tubing stops that happening.
I've had mine open up too - but the camera was in my hand.
They need to redo the fastener. This is a very cheesy solution and not worthy of a $50 camera strap.
J.
Permagrin
22nd of July 2008 (Tue), 12:17
Are there any issues with the clip scuffing up the camera body? Clip looks like it's made of metal.
none that I've noticed, not at all.
I've had mine open up too - but the camera was in my hand.
They need to redo the fastener. This is a very cheesy solution and not worthy of a $50 camera strap.
J.
With that plastic piece, it's practically impossible to get that clip open. Are you using it?
another note, I finally clipped that top part of the strap off. I don't like the bulkiness of the RS2 and I don't use the pockets so I clipped the upper part off and like it much better.
JohnJ80
22nd of July 2008 (Tue), 12:48
I'm not using the plastic piece because it is a stupid solution and i've already lost one. The strap sits on a shelf until either (a) they come up with a workable solution or (b) I come up with one on my own when I have time.
Spending $50 on a camera strap and then they fix a huge design oversight like this? You've got to be kidding. Clearly this wasn't thought thru and they've left us with this.
They need to fix the piece that attaches to the camera and send it to all current owners.
J
Permagrin
22nd of July 2008 (Tue), 12:51
well, obviously it's not a good fit for you then. :lol: With the plastic piece, there seems to be no issue. I agree it could have been better designed for the price but it does not come open when using the plastic stopper.
jmb4370
22nd of July 2008 (Tue), 14:30
I have now shot several all day weddings with 2 cameras using my easy to make version, and it really seems to work great (for me). The plain webbing is in one loop (for each camera) crossed so one hangs on my left, and one hangs down on my right. For the attachment to the camera, I use a snap tapered carabiner which can easily slide on the loop of strap webbing as I bring the camera up to shoot, or let it rest at the bottom of the loop.
The camera is attached to the carabiner using nylon flat cord. For the right side camera, this is double looped through the strap clip on the bottom of the battery grip (to the right of the tripod mount), and for the left side camera, I found it best to connect to the camera left side normal strap D-ring clip. The nylon flat cord is about 4 inches long extending from the carabiner, so when you pick up the camera, there is no metal clip on the battery grip bottom to interfere with holding things!
With a long lens on the right side camera, the camera still goes upside down and behind you when at the bottom of the loop, and using a 24-105 on the left side main camera, the camera is still easy to pick up left handed and immediately ready to shoot!
KRM
22nd of July 2008 (Tue), 20:36
I have one of these but I just can't seem to get comfortable with it....anytime I lean forward it comes flying forward...bad at weddings when I need my hands free to get gear from my bag, etc......
stathunter
22nd of July 2008 (Tue), 20:41
I have one of these but I just can't seem to get comfortable with it....anytime I lean forward it comes flying forward...bad at weddings when I need my hands free to get gear from my bag, etc......
I totally agree. I have tried a few times to make this work for me with my MkII with the 70-200 2.8 IS on it and it really is a little awkward.
ofdphoto
22nd of July 2008 (Tue), 21:12
Mine took a bit of adjusting and testing, but once settled I've found it great for holding my "sniper rig" at weddings. Here's how I use mine:
* attached to a 40D + 70-200 2.8 IS with tripod ring on (mount point rotated to base of camera).
* FastenR locked in to tripod ring, rotated so vertical bit faces camera... this feels unbelievably solid, and attaching it here ensures the rig is balanced at my hip, keeps my vertical grip ready to use and saves putting stress on my camera and/or grip.
* after standing and positioning the strap and camera where I want to be "at rest" (including adjusting the strap length), it's crucial to move the clippy-slider thing to rest against the camera... this ensures the strap doesn't slide around on your torso when you put the camera down.
Last wedding I shot, I had this on my right shoulder, Boda bag on my left, and my "main" camera around my neck on an op-tech strap.
It worked great.
GM_of_OLC
28th of July 2008 (Mon), 00:09
I just got mine last week, and while I haven't had too much time to use it, I really like it.
I can do double cameras with the r-strap over one shoulder, and my smugmug strap insideout(so it slides over my shirt) over the other shoulder. It works great. I can't wait to actually use it instead of walking around my house quick drawing at the furniture and such.
One thing a bunch of people have been mentioning is if you want to use a monopod/tripod you can't use the strap at the same time because the fastenR uses the same hole. I remedied this by putting two small key rings on the left strap attachment place on the body. I can just clip the r-strap to this if I want to use a monopod/tripod. Not as functional, but keeps the camera attached to you in some way.
Also, for those of you with two r-straps, I found this while perusing the web: http://blog.tonyschreiber.com/?p=86
Permagrin
28th of July 2008 (Mon), 23:12
okay we picked up the Up Strap to do some comparisons...just came today so it'll be interesting to compare the two side by side.
Franko515
28th of July 2008 (Mon), 23:49
okay we picked up the Up Strap to do some comparisons...just came today so it'll be interesting to compare the two side by side.
***Franko515 waits on you to compare so he can order one or the other***
Permagrin
29th of July 2008 (Tue), 20:46
we're working on it Franko. I have to say that that up strap is the hardest strap I've ever had to put on a camera but it certainly won't come off easily.
Other preliminary findings...it's definitely a shoulder strap only (too awkward for an over the body strap like the rapid-strap)...and nowhere near as smooth of movement as the rapid strap. Less bulky though.
Mostly it's been frustrating getting it adjusted to the correct length.
Husband says he's got sloping shoulders and would worry about putting a heavy lens on it, in case it slipped off...
so that's what we've discovered so far.
No field use yet.
Rapid strap wins the ease of use, and smoothness factor.
Upstrap wins in the lack of bulk.
more w/photos soon.
puddlepirate44
29th of July 2008 (Tue), 21:55
OK, here's my take on it...
At first blush, it seems very useful. That pad does not slip easily.
-The actual strap is a pain to adjust. The fabric is pretty stiff... the upside is that once it's all set to your size and style, you won't have to do it again.
-Keep the camera low on your hip. This will allow more movement as you bring the camera up to your face.
-If you're the kind of shooter that is used to having the camera on your shoulder v. around your neck, this will work really well for you. I've never slung a camera in this fashion before, so it might take some getting used to for me.
-In use in conjunction with the R-strap, I'm going to have the R-strap camera on my right hip and the Upstrap on the left. This will mean that the left shoulder will have have both the R-strap and the Upstrap pads. That will prove to be interesting. Didn't seem to be too problematic, but I'll find out more as I use the combo. It might be better with a regular neck strap and an Upstrap. I'll have to test things out to be sure.
-I don't plan on using two cameras except when I'm helping Permie with weddings, but I plan on working out the "bugs" of the strap before then.
Franko515
30th of July 2008 (Wed), 15:18
we're working on it Franko. I have to say that that up strap is the hardest strap I've ever had to put on a camera but it certainly won't come off easily.
Other preliminary findings...it's definitely a shoulder strap only (too awkward for an over the body strap like the rapid-strap)...and nowhere near as smooth of movement as the rapid strap. Less bulky though.
Mostly it's been frustrating getting it adjusted to the correct length.
Husband says he's got sloping shoulders and would worry about putting a heavy lens on it, in case it slipped off...
so that's what we've discovered so far.
No field use yet.
Rapid strap wins the ease of use, and smoothness factor.
Upstrap wins in the lack of bulk.
more w/photos soon.
Thanks for the pre-review, I look for to hear about use in the field :D
OK, here's my take on it...
At first blush, it seems very useful. That pad does not slip easily.
-The actual strap is a pain to adjust. The fabric is pretty stiff... the upside is that once it's all set to your size and style, you won't have to do it again.
-Keep the camera low on your hip. This will allow more movement as you bring the camera up to your face.
-If you're the kind of shooter that is used to having the camera on your shoulder v. around your neck, this will work really well for you. I've never slung a camera in this fashion before, so it might take some getting used to for me.
-In use in conjunction with the R-strap, I'm going to have the R-strap camera on my right hip and the Upstrap on the left. This will mean that the left shoulder will have have both the R-strap and the Upstrap pads. That will prove to be interesting. Didn't seem to be too problematic, but I'll find out more as I use the combo. It might be better with a regular neck strap and an Upstrap. I'll have to test things out to be sure.
-I don't plan on using two cameras except when I'm helping Permie with weddings, but I plan on working out the "bugs" of the strap before then.
Thanks for the input, the way it stand now I may be going with the r-strap.
I recently hurt my back and wont be doing much shooting so I have time to sit around and order stuff :(:evil::D
shutterfiend
1st of August 2008 (Fri), 09:25
Can this strap be used with a flash bracket? Flash and bracket are about 2lbs. together.
stathunter
1st of August 2008 (Fri), 09:38
I thought this was interesting on FM. This guy sewed two r-straps together---http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/658176
Permagrin
16th of August 2008 (Sat), 11:42
okay, after a couple of weeks of use, neither of us can get comfortable with the up-strap. It's made nicely...seems sturdy but doesn't seem to flow nicely from the side, when you are pulling the camera to your face. The grip pad, that is designed to keep the strap from sliding off your shoulder, prevents a fluid movement. The R strap wins (by far) there. I wear the upstrap over my shoulder/neck and just deal with the hassle however because the Rstrap's pad slides so much (the pad always ends up down by my camera hindering the fluid movement of the camera w/o adjusting the strap...it doesn't do this when I'm standing straight up but if I move around a lot...which I do when I'm shooting, it invariably slides out of place).
Dan said last night "I want this to work" (the upstrap) but I could see his frustration as he was trying to figure out a way to get a fluid movement happening for shooting. Plus, he does have sloping shoulders and the camera is not as secure as he'd like.
Out of frustration, I purchased the crumpler "industry disgrace" strap and wear it diagonally and love it. It's solid, pretty comfortable (either around the neck conventionally, on your shoulder OR diagonal). And it's the least expensive of them all.
Interestingly enough, I saw a review here and thought I'd never buy that one based on that person's opinion but IRL I was very happy with it.
jeromego
16th of August 2008 (Sat), 13:18
im planning to get the black rapid, but i just have one question, im just wondering wouldnt it be hard to use the battery grips shutter release button for vertical shooting with the fastener on the bottom of the battery grip?
Permagrin
16th of August 2008 (Sat), 13:35
I don't even notice it when I'm shooting vertical.
troypiggo
16th of August 2008 (Sat), 17:35
Should cut the grippy bit off the up-strap and put it on the back of the r-strap's pad to stop it sliding :) Get out the scissors and sewing gear :)
pixel fetish
16th of August 2008 (Sat), 23:14
im planning to get the black rapid, but i just have one question, im just wondering wouldnt it be hard to use the battery grips shutter release button for vertical shooting with the fastener on the bottom of the battery grip?
It is in the way, you will definitely hit it, but you get use to it eventually. I got mine today and it definitely needs to get use to
ofdphoto
16th of August 2008 (Sat), 23:56
I put the fastener on my 70-200's tripod ring. Works great.
jerrybaxter
9th of October 2008 (Thu), 08:56
updated connector
http://www.blackrapid.com/connectr.php
JohnJ80
9th of October 2008 (Thu), 09:36
What I love is they fix the crummy one that they had before but then expect us all to pay over the top shipping charges - which more than pay for the shipping AND the little part - for a mistake that they made.
I'm definitely not impressed. I guess this overpriced strap of mine is going back into the back of the closet.
J.
milorad
9th of October 2008 (Thu), 10:49
What I love is they fix the crummy one that they had before but then expect us all to pay over the top shipping charges - which more than pay for the shipping AND the little part - for a mistake that they made.
I'm definitely not impressed. I guess this overpriced strap of mine is going back into the back of the closet.
J.
So let me get this straight... you have spent like 50 bucks, and you'd rather get NO value out of that, than throw in another 5, to rescue that 50?
Clever.
JohnJ80
9th of October 2008 (Thu), 11:05
Clever? Actually a waste of time. Probably won't go to the closet but to ebay instead. Sooner or later I'll get rid of it. I'm disappointed in a company that seemed quite promising at first but doesn't seem to get the customer service and pride in their product thing very well.
$50 isn't enough to make it to the top of my list of problems I have on my plate today.
Want to buy it?
J.
LeoChanPhotography
9th of October 2008 (Thu), 11:07
agreed. i don't know why they just don't ship the existing straps with the new connectR? the shipping charges are really obscene.
What I love is they fix the crummy one that they had before but then expect us all to pay over the top shipping charges - which more than pay for the shipping AND the little part - for a mistake that they made.
I'm definitely not impressed. I guess this overpriced strap of mine is going back into the back of the closet.
J.
milorad
9th of October 2008 (Thu), 11:13
Want to buy it?
J.
If I lived in the US I would actually. I've been curious about these for a while, and this would be exactly the chest-beating motivation I'd need to do something rash...
but given the postage for that and the new loop, I'd be better off just buying from them.
... which I may just do.... the only thing holding me back is that I have man-boobs like the model in this review, and cross straps make me want to take up bulimia.
Glad you asked? :)
milorad
9th of October 2008 (Thu), 12:16
hmmm.... an alternative for arca-swiss users?
http://www.kirkphoto.com/SS1big.jpg
GM_of_OLC
9th of October 2008 (Thu), 13:22
hmmm.... an alternative for arca-swiss users?
http://www.kirkphoto.com/SS1big.jpg
From that picture it appears that he hand holds the big lens.
That man is a beast.
Permagrin
9th of October 2008 (Thu), 13:28
I am going to order these new connectors. Our opinions haven't changed after use. Compared to the upstrap (which has a tendency to slip off the shoulders) and a regular neck strap (which has a tendency to make your neck hurt after hours of multiple camera use), the R strap is still our preference.
Familiaphoto
9th of October 2008 (Thu), 14:41
Agreed, I can't think of a reason not use the strap and ultimately for the price the connector is ok, I'll pick one up. The utility of this strap makes it worth it.
DDCSD
9th of October 2008 (Thu), 18:08
From that picture it appears that he hand holds the big lens.
That man is a beast.
Actually, he is using a monopod. I'm guessing that he uses the plates so he can quickly take the current camera/lens off of the monopod, attach the camera to the big gun and then quickly attach that setup to the monopod.
tracknut
9th of October 2008 (Thu), 20:41
For those looking for a similar solution with OpTech, they sell short clip-in extenders for the pro-loop strap (that probably many of us have), that will give you enough slack to hang the camera around the neck and shoulder, and adjust it to be on your hip. I use this setup all the time, and have hiked 8 hours in a row with 1D/300/2.8 this way. Then when you're not needing that setup, the extensions can be removed for a more normal (shorter) strap.
http://www.pixf.com/images/80CG5936.jpg
Dave
JohnJ80
9th of October 2008 (Thu), 20:45
If I lived in the US I would actually. I've been curious about these for a while, and this would be exactly the chest-beating motivation I'd need to do something rash...
but given the postage for that and the new loop, I'd be better off just buying from them.
... which I may just do.... the only thing holding me back is that I have man-boobs like the model in this review, and cross straps make me want to take up bulimia.
Glad you asked? :)
Sure. Heck I don't care. ;)
the idea is good, the implementation is sort of a work in progress and not all that well done.
J.
GM_of_OLC
9th of October 2008 (Thu), 22:49
Actually, he is using a monopod. I'm guessing that he uses the plates so he can quickly take the current camera/lens off of the monopod, attach the camera to the big gun and then quickly attach that setup to the monopod.
What's he do with the other lens when he's switching them? Wouldn't it make more sense to just leave the big lens on the monopod?
On another note, how high do you guys have your camera hang on the r-strap? I got it at a good height, but it's slightly hard to shoot portrait. So I lowered it, but now the tripod ring tightener on my 70-200 digs into my hip.
milorad
9th of October 2008 (Thu), 22:55
What's he do with the other lens when he's switching them? Wouldn't it make more sense to just leave the big lens on the monopod?
He looks like he might be wearing a photo vest, at which point, he would pocket the other lens, at a wild guess.
DDCSD
9th of October 2008 (Thu), 22:55
What's he do with the other lens when he's switching them? Wouldn't it make more sense to just leave the big lens on the monopod?
Probably hook it onto the strap that is holding the big gun. :lol: Hey, you'd have to ask him what his logic it, not me. It is a marketing photo though......
DDCSD
9th of October 2008 (Thu), 22:56
He looks like he might be wearing a photo vest, at which point, he would pocket the other lens, at a wild guess.
Or that. :lol:
ofdphoto
10th of October 2008 (Fri), 07:10
I had to pay the int'l shipping price for the new connectR, and I thought it was worth it.
Each to their own, I guess. It would have been nice if it was free, but not a bad deal anyway.
Patrick
10th of October 2008 (Fri), 07:28
Thanks for this thread.
Mine should be delivered today.
I'm going to use the 50D / 70-200 2.8 on the mono-pod and the 40D / 50mm 1.4 with the strap.
LBaldwin
10th of October 2008 (Fri), 07:38
Great device. I am going to take a serious look at that. The video shows a lot about how it is used. I too would like to know about using a 400 2.8 L with that strap.
Mevens
10th of October 2008 (Fri), 15:33
This thread has been very informative, thanks everyone.
However, when I’m out taking photos, I’m usually on my bike... do you think the R-Strap is good to use/adjust for short rides form shoot to shoot? Or should I just throw it in my bag and whip it out when I get there? Riding in New York can offer great shots at a moment’s notice, that’s why I was thinking having the R-Strap might be useful while on bike, for that quick shot.
What do you think?
puddlepirate44
10th of October 2008 (Fri), 15:37
Wow, I'm not sure I'd want the camera on an R strap while riding around on a bike. When you're walking around, you can control the swing, but on a bike? not too sure. I have my strap pretty low, but even if it were to be cinched up tight, it might get in the way of the turns.
Mevens
10th of October 2008 (Fri), 15:41
Thanks..
Ya thats kinda what I thought...
What if you cinched it as tight as it goes, maybe so its up in the armpit and the camera is on your back? Would that work? Or am I just wishful thinking?
puddlepirate44
10th of October 2008 (Fri), 15:52
Thanks..
Ya thats kinda what I thought...
What if you cinched it as tight as it goes, maybe so its up in the armpit and the camera is on your back? Would that work? Or am I just wishful thinking?
It might work, but then you might also lose some of the effectiveness of the strap because it's so high and not as quick on the draw, if you know what I mean.
But, hey, that's just me. I've never tried it on a bike. It might work just fine. If there was a way to get maintain the length of the strap but get it so that it sits up high on your back as you ride, that might be best. Not too sure how you would do that, tho'.
Mevens
11th of October 2008 (Sat), 09:10
Thanks Puddlwpirate...Im ordering it today, and I'll let you know how it works out.
JohnJ80
11th of October 2008 (Sat), 10:23
This thread has been very informative, thanks everyone.
However, when I’m out taking photos, I’m usually on my bike... do you think the R-Strap is good to use/adjust for short rides form shoot to shoot? Or should I just throw it in my bag and whip it out when I get there? Riding in New York can offer great shots at a moment’s notice, that’s why I was thinking having the R-Strap might be useful while on bike, for that quick shot.
What do you think?
on a bike? um, no.
J.
Franko515
11th of October 2008 (Sat), 14:14
Do the new units ship with the new connector or do I still have to buy that seperate?
Specialized
12th of October 2008 (Sun), 11:57
80-200L <333
Thanks for the review
puddlepirate44
12th of October 2008 (Sun), 12:15
Yeah, I love that lens. :D
Headshotzx
13th of October 2008 (Mon), 09:24
Um. Would this pretty much make shooting with my battery grip controls extremely painful / frustrating / unbearable? Just found out that our local camera dealer now carries it as an official distributor.
stathunter
13th of October 2008 (Mon), 09:28
I have used my rapid strap a few times---and not sure it works for me. I use it on my MkII with the 70-200 2.8IS and I really need something with more cushion. There is no flex on the rapid strap--and yes I know it is not meant to flex but I need something with a little more cushion when I carry around the body/lens for 8+ hours.
puddlepirate44
13th of October 2008 (Mon), 19:16
Um. Would this pretty much make shooting with my battery grip controls extremely painful / frustrating / unbearable? Just found out that our local camera dealer now carries it as an official distributor.
Using the portrait controls on the 1D bodies or a body with the BatGrip takes some getting used to. Not prohibitive, tho'.
I have used my rapid strap a few times---and not sure it works for me. I use it on my MkII with the 70-200 2.8IS and I really need something with more cushion. There is no flex on the rapid strap--and yes I know it is not meant to flex but I need something with a little more cushion when I carry around the body/lens for 8+ hours.
If you're talking about a more neoprene area like the POTN straps, yeah, I know what you're talking about. As mentioned before, this is totally a preference thing. I just got back from shooting a wedding over the weekend, had the MkIII on the R strap and a moderate sized lens for about six hours or more. I didn't have a problem with it, but I'm already pretty "padded" if you know what I mean. :o
BadgirlIROC
13th of October 2008 (Mon), 19:19
Do the new units ship with the new connector or do I still have to buy that seperate?
I'm hoping for an answer to this also!
Vetteography
13th of October 2008 (Mon), 19:23
I have used my rapid strap a few times---and not sure it works for me. I use it on my MkII with the 70-200 2.8IS and I really need something with more cushion. There is no flex on the rapid strap--and yes I know it is not meant to flex but I need something with a little more cushion when I carry around the body/lens for 8+ hours.
I built my own using a padded leather guitar strap... wore it around for about 4 hours today and was very pleased with how comfortable it is.
DDCSD
13th of October 2008 (Mon), 20:50
Do the new units ship with the new connector or do I still have to buy that seperate?
I'm hoping for an answer to this also!
Best thing to do would be to email the manufacturer. Then you'll now for sure.
Permagrin
13th of October 2008 (Mon), 20:59
they answer emails pretty well, but they haven't answered the question I sent on why I have to pay 2 shipping and handling charges to order these new hooks for two R straps that I'd bought for our house. I'm kinda bugged about that.
TheSonofDarwin
13th of October 2008 (Mon), 21:00
Since I asked them this question recently, their response was this:
The R-straps will always come with their original hardware and are sold ready to go. Starting November 1st, the CR2 will be available as an upgrade for $16.00. Multiple and combination orders will be possible at this time.
Maybe others will get a different response. I was a bit confused why it'd be $16 to upgrade, but since I won't be purchasing for awhile I didn't pursue it.
Franko515
13th of October 2008 (Mon), 21:06
Since I asked them this question recently, their response was this:
Maybe others will get a different response. I was a bit confused why it'd be $16 to upgrade, but since I won't be purchasing for awhile I didn't pursue it.
$16 bucks to upgrade to something that should be there anyway. I am getting really turned off by this company. I was gonna order one soon but now I may look elsewhere for a solution.
Kiron Kid
13th of October 2008 (Mon), 21:10
I just spoke to them. The newer connectors are expected to be in any day now. Once they are, they will immediately ship them to those of us that have purchased them.
Kiron Kid
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