1DS MKII or 1D MKII

[HKFEVER]

I have a 1D MKII and wonder should I change to 1DS MKII?

Or simply buy an additional 1DS MKII.

How about the AF speed of IDS MKII? Is it as fast as 1D MKII?

Please help to make decision.

[Longwatcher]

Same thing everyone says,
What are you planning on shooting with you cameras?

If sports or PJ, keep your 1D2. You need the 8FPS more then resolution.
If studio/portraits/landscape go to the 1DsMkII. You need the resolution.
If both, get both.

The 1DsMkII is an amazing camera and with some luck I hope to do a side-by-side comparison netween mine and someone else's 1D2 late next week.

As to your question of AF speed, it is at least as fast to the best of my ability to determine at this time.

[HKFEVER]

I like to take:
1. Real life action, people passing by;
2. Natural;
3. Motor sport;
4. But not football nor other action game.
5. Marco, very close up.

But my buget is only good enough to have either 1DS MKII or 1D MKII. And I already have the 1D MKII, so I have to either sell it for 1DS MKII or forget about it.

Tough decision, and can't sleep.

[roanjohn]

Get both!!!

Why not?? You only live once.

Ro1

[Rudix]

I own both and they are both SUPERB ! The only diffrence (other than pricehttp://photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif) is resolution and fps. I have found the AF to be so close on the cameras that I cannot spot a difference. I shoot a lot of nature and sport/motorsport so good/fast AF and AI Servo is a must.

It all depends if you need 8+ fps, if you do, get the 1Dmk2, if not, the 1DSmk2 would be my choice.

Rudi

[HKFEVER]

Thank's

I don't really need the 8fps, but from time to time you will miss a lot of good shoots with 4.4fps. Do you think so.

Next questions are :
- I need a very fast computer to process the hugh raw file;
- Need hugh CF card to hold all the shoots (25shoots/Gb in the 1DS MKII).

[pradeep1]

Thank's

I don't really need the 8fps, but from time to time you will miss a lot of good shoots with 4.4fps. Do you think so.

Next questions are :
- I need a very fast computer to process the hugh raw file;
- Need hugh CF card to hold all the shoots (25shoots/Gb in the 1DS MKII).

The speed of processing a file depends on three factors:

1. Hard Drive - Make sure you have a good fast one to load and write images quickly. You might want to consider getting a 10,000 RPM drive or a RAID array to increase speed.

2. RAM - A minimum of 1 GB of good quality, high speed RAM. The more RAM you have, the less the computer has to use the hard disk drive for swap space. You'll work more efficiently and quickly with more RAM, up to a point.

3. Fast CPU - A minimum of 2.0 GHz, but I would consider 3.0+ since they are pretty cheap nowadays.

Now for the CF cards, consider going for the 4GB Hitachi Microdrives. They come cheap in comparison to the CF cards, at about $144 online after rebate. If you need speed, any of the 2GB 80X CF cards should be fine.

[HKFEVER]

Currently, I have PC and Mac :
1. intel 3.0 with 4G ram + 180G Harddrive &
2. G5 dual process with 4G Ram + 120G Harddrive

But still slow to process files from 1D MarkII.


Can't imagine, what kind of computer power need to process 40MB raw files.

[Longwatcher]

Last question:
what size prints will you be producing? If max is 16x24 (or equivilant scale crop), your 1D2 should be fine as far as resolution is concerned. If bigger then go with 1DsII

As to 1DsMkII file size, my results to date have been 45-50 images on a 1GB CF card shooting RAW + M2 jpeg. (technically 90-100 images, but since one is jpeg and one RAW of same shot I don't think that counts). It drops to about 34 with RAW and L jpeg at minimum compression (setting 10) and goes up to about 48-55 with RAW and S jpeg (setting 6). It usually starts at 42 count and then decides to add a few as I go on.

The RAW file size tends to be between 14 and 18MB depending on what is in the scene. The TIF conversions tend to be a bit large (around 65MB)

from what you shoot -
1. Real life action, people passing by; (either will work, 1DsII will be slightly better, but not a lot.
2. Natural; (goes to 1DsII)
3. Motor sport; (goes to 1D2)
4 is a what you don't shoot so can't help
5. I don't understand the term Marco. If you mean portraits, then switch to 1DsmkII
otherwise it looks like what you have is good enough for now, I would save my money for either better lenses or the upgrade to the 1D2 which is about 18-24 months out.

And finally processing speed.
I note on my computer which should be way slower then yours, that until PS finishes creating/collecting the thumbnails, preview and metadata, my computer is slower then a snail, but after it finishes, everything speeds up dramatically (although I obviously have not tried it with 1DsMkII RAW files yet). However if I have both DPP and PS CS open at same time that each try to swipe all of my available capacity and slow each other down dramatically.

Just my opinion and experience,

[Red Squirrel]

HKFEVER, lets see what you can do with the 1dmkII that you need to change to the 1ds mk2...
I am hoping to buy the 1dmkII and feel this this will fulfull my needs completely.
Are you just another "must by the latest gadget person?"

[theflyingkiwi]

you know I shot some sports using the 10D. at this stage I would like a bigger buffer, in saying that if I had the money I would get the 1Ds MKII.

why, full frame, more pixels means bigger prints.

the best thing I can recommend is if you can try out both. then you will know which one you like to work with the best. since the cost of each camera does not matter :) the one that feels better to you to work with, is the one that you should buy.

[tofuboy]

5. I don't understand the term Marco. If you mean portraits, then switch to 1DsmkII

I think they meant Macro :)

In which case, unless you are printing huge prints like Longwatcher mentioned, your 1DmkII should be just fine.

[blackviolet]

hkfever, i'm a bit confused. yesterday you stated that you bought the 1dsmkii and it's on its way. today you ask should you get it?! also, you've made a few posts stating that you've seldom used your 1dmkii and you have too many dslr's.

did you already order it?? sorry, i'm not trying to be mean or anything...

[Longwatcher]

I think they meant Macro :)

In which case, unless you are printing huge prints like Longwatcher mentioned, your 1DmkII should be just fine.

Duh! why din't I figure that one out; probably because I don't shoot with macro lenses. In that case it is probably still life so 1DsMkII wins.

[HKFEVER]

HKFEVER, lets see what you can do with the 1dmkII that you need to change to the 1ds mk2...
I am hoping to buy the 1dmkII and feel this this will fulfull my needs completely.
Are you just another "must by the latest gadget person?"


You are wrong, rescently we went fo a long trip some where in the mountain with my Mamiya 645AFD and 1D MKII, and I find the following problem:
1. 645AFD allows you to compose the picture first, and more effectively corp the picture to fit my need. And the good picture ratio is higer.
2. But 1D MKII, I need to compose the picture very carefully, simply because the resoultion does not allow you to corp to much!!

Luckly, I have the 645AFD with me, otherwise the trip is wasted.

[HKFEVER]

hkfever, i'm a bit confused. yesterday you stated that you bought the 1dsmkii and it's on its way. today you ask should you get it?! also, you've made a few posts stating that you've seldom used your 1dmkii and you have too many dslr's.

did you already order it?? sorry, i'm not trying to be mean or anything...

Taking picture is not my job, but it takes at least 1 hr from me every day and 2 week's trip every yr.

I have 1D MKII, and I find:
- It is a very good camera.
- Seldom use it means I did not use it as often as my 645AFD or 1V or NIkon F5.

I paid deposit for 1DS MKII and it is on the way, and I still have 1 month's time to cancel it. So I wonder should I get it.

I should say I have too many digital camera, dslr (Canon & Nikon), L lens, I need a hugh Procan to store them.

[blackviolet]

if you're looking for extra resolution and field of view, the 1dsmkii will have this over the 1dmkii, but not significantly. i mean the sample photos that have been posted reveal amazing details - to me this isn't to make up for poor composition, rather to leverage excellent glass to provide truer to life imagery. again, that's me and probably not everyone's opinion.

personally, i've found that spending lots of time using the 1dmkii in the fashion of photography i am accustomed to taking. for me that's outdoor sports (and also kid's portraits, as well as people on the streets, etc.). where i had to change behaviour to fit the 10d (causing lower ratio of keepers, etc.), the 1dmkii was much more like what i was accustomed to. and after taking tens of thousands of pics, i have found that my composition naturally suits the job with minimal cropping - i don't have to think about the camera. perhaps for you, as you say, are so used to using other equipment that maybe the wider field of view the 1dsmkii will afford would fit your style better.

can i ask - what specifically about the 1dmkii that you'd like the 1dsmkii to improve on, and maybe people could address those points directly. obviously you've mentioned composition above. but the difference between full frame and 1.3 crop factor isn't huge (and easily made up for with the glass you have, i'd think). are you happy with the af speed and accuracy? is it only resolution you're interested in?

[HKFEVER]

- I really don't understand the 8.2M compair to 16.6M's MAX. print size?
- How is 16.6M compair to 35mm print size?
- How is 16.6M compair to 645's print size?
- Yes, do need time to get use to different field size.

- For Canon setup, I have 300D, 1D MKII, EOS 1V, 1.5 fisheye, 50 1.4, 100 marco, 16-35L, 24-70L, 70-200 2.8L IS, 1.4X, and I find 1.3 crop is wonderful for long range zoom. But in the wide size 1.3 crop is wasting money, you need to have go very wide to have the same effect as 35mm film,
- I would like to have more detail (resolution) in the whole picture, because I only print 4R for preview and will go for 8 X 10 or even A2 & A1 for framing.

Sorry to raise so many questions

[Longwatcher]

Hope this helps a bit.

- a 3MP camera will produce lovely 8x12 prints with no cropping.
- a 6MP camera will produce wonderful 12x18 prints with no cropping. It natively produces a 8x12 print at 240DPI
- a 8MP camera will allow for some cropping about a 10x15" print without cropping.
- a 16MP camera will produce a 16x24" print with no cropping and no enlargement.

Because you are starting in the digital realm (versus film), you can extrapolate (or enlarge) your print by a factor of 2 before you will start to notice any artifacts in a print.
Thus an 8MP camera can produce what appears to the human eye to be a flawless 20x30" print, this is as good as color film although not as good as the best BW film. The 16MP will produce a 30x40" print, this is as good as medium format color film and as good as 35mm BW film. Under the right conditions you can make it even larger. Digital tends to extrapolate easier then film does because of the nature of the grains in the film.

So how big of a print will you probably ever print? If 16x24" is it then either the 1D2 will continue to work great for you, but if you need to crop a lot or go larger then it goes to the 1DsM2.

I would advise that since you have one on order already, take it and then decide if oyu want to part with your 1D2.

Just my opinion,

[HKFEVER]

Thank you for your clear information about the print size.

My deal call me today that the 1DS2 will arrive on next Monday, and my friend will buy my 1D2 in tomorrow. So I guest, I have to say good bye to my 1D2.

[jhankins]

You'll enjoy the 1DS MKII. I'm still learning to use mine but loving it the more I use it.

[phili1]

Most of the pros print 16 x 20 with a little croping from 8 meg pixels.

16 is twice as good, I would think that larger then 20x30 is possable.

I know I have printed 13 x 19 with my 4 mega pixel and Have seen 13 x 19 prints from a Nikon 3 mega pixel that would knock your socks off.

If you read the specs you get allot of new features like wi fi transmission. Increased speed and 8 mega pixels more.

I have a 20 D and if I had the ability of buying an MKII for 4000 I would opt for 2 20D to have a second body.

[HKFEVER]

My friend just came to pickup my 1D MKII, a kind of sick feeling.

But my 1DS MKII is coming next Monday. Only thing missing is 8fps.