Is Canon vs Nikon the same as..........

[ROC]

Ford vs Chevy? I just bought a 40D. Just wondering if there are camera snobs out there, kinda like there is in the automotive world.

Seems silly to me, but then again, I'm not very experienced in the photo world either.

Thanks in advance

ROC

[FlyingPhotog]

Both brands definately have their fair share of "Fan Boys."

However, both brands also have a loyal user base which (in some? many?) cases is a legacy from their film bodies.

I shoot Canon digital because I shot (and still shoot) Canon film.

[airfrogusmc]

They're both great camreas. I shot with Canon F-1s for years. When I went digital I went Canon but more because I wanted FF and the 5D was my choice. Nikon didn't have FF at the time.

[dave13]

I think it's about the same. I really have nothing bad to say about the other camera brands out there, I just got started on Canon with film bodies and lenses and moved into digital.

[perryge]

Or like Apple vs Microsoft? :lol:

It happens everywhere, not just in photography and automotives.

XBox vs PS3? Or Fender vs Gibson? Nike vs Adidas? ManU vs Liverpool? Crumpler vs Domke? Tamrac vs Lowepro? Velvia vs Kodachrome? HP5+ vs Tri-X? Boeing vs Airbus? Alliance vs Horde? D&D vs Warhammer? Nokia vs Sony Ericsson? Prime vs zoom? LightRules vs Ed Rader?

The list could go on forever.

[jra]

IMO, Canon and Nikon both make great products and each have their pros and cons just like anything else (your Ford/Chevy comment is pretty much right on IMO). I went with Canon digital simply because I shot Canon film cameras previously. I started shooting a Canon film camera because I got a great deal on a lightly used one. Canon kept me happy so I stuck with 'em and with a nice kit built up now, I'll stick with Canon unless they somehow completely drop the ball.

[ROC]

Or like Apple vs Microsoft? :lol:

It happens everywhere, not just in photography and automotives.

ManU vs Liverpool?

The list could go on forever.



I must correct you on that one.......thereis absolutely NO comparison between Man U and Liverwurst.:p

[perryge]

I must correct you on that one.......thereis absolutely NO comparison between Man U and Liverwurst.:p
:lol::lol::lol: I rest my case.

[ROC]

I kind of figured so much. I was in a camera shop and was talking with the guy...........I mentioned 40D, he thought I said D40. When I innocently corrected him, he looked at me with a deer in the headlight look and said........"oh".

No biggee to me. I can't use either of them to their potential, so I'm basically happy with anything at this point...till I learn more.

OK, now I gotta get back to Bens thread for the newbies and SLR's:D

[Moppie]

Both brands definately have their fair share of "Fan Boys."



They are more like BMW and Mercedes, both at the top of the industry, with class leading technology, but both go about it quite differently, and have their own fan bases.

GM and Ford both still make cars with leaf springs and live axles.

[dave kadolph]

Prime vs zoom? LightRules vs Ed Rader?

The list could go on forever.


LOL--Good one!

[KevinAldrich]

LightRules vs Ed Rader?

Can I pick neither? ;)

[Roy Mathers]

They are more like BMW and Mercedes, both at the top of the industry, with class leading technology, but both go about it quite differently, and have their own fan bases.

GM and Ford both still make cars with leaf springs and live axles.

You forgot Jaguar!:)

[Moppie]

You forgot Jaguar!:)

Don't you mean Ford? :lol::lol:

[colinh810]

They are more like BMW and Mercedes, both at the top of the industry, with class leading technology, but both go about it quite differently, and have their own fan bases.

GM and Ford both still make cars with leaf springs and live axles.

Haha I was just about to say that, ford & gm?? at least upgrade to Toyota vs Honda.

[artyboy]

choosing between Canon and Nikon is like comparing Coke and Pepsi. you can't go wrong with either (err, i meant the cams). since they're both top class photography equipment makers, it boils down to their lens lineup and price differences. snobs? not that i know of, even people i know of using Hasselblads and 1DSes are not snobs, just very very rich!!

[DStanic]

GM is clearly better than Ford. (Although I just bought a Focus for the wife.. opps!)

[gary88]

Don't you mean Ford? :lol::lol:

Don't you mean Tata Motors? :p

[Tandem]

Hendrick vs. Roush-Yates

[DAMphyne]

Canon Rocks--Nikon Sucks
My $.02

[montysmum]

I must correct you on that one.......thereis absolutely NO comparison between Man U and Liverwurst.:p

Well that's true enough - YNWA:D

[dekalbSTEEL]

Campy vs. ShimaNO

[JeffreyG]

Campy vs. ShimaNO

heh heh heh.

Those of us that ride 25 miles / day just to work and back don't run Campy. I need equipment that I can obtain locally and immediately should I need to.

But I'm riding a steel Bianchi SS frame with Shimano 8 speed internal hub, full fenders, rack and lights. To me reliability and side of the road repairability are all that matter.

I don't want to have to call in sick because my Camagnishimanalo derailler wadded itself up due to heavy ice buildup. My bike is all about being there in all weather.

[majkid]

I'm not a camera snob. Just a Canon Loyalist. Apart from my very first camera,that old Russian contraption the Zenit E ll my camearas have been Canon, even camcorders. Touch wood, I have never had any real issues or complaints with Canon gear and the build quality and results are always very satisfying. That doesn't stop me appreciating other brands especially Nikon. I like the look and feel of both the D300 and D3 and just I'm a little bit jealous of the features these cameras offer. But I know that the replacement for the 5D when it comes will be even better :)
I have already put some cash aside to snap one up as soon as it becomes available.

Mike

[Simoli]

GM is clearly better than Ford. (Although I just bought a Focus for the wife.. opps!)
Not according to this--
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2007-06-06-ford-quality_N.htm
GM seems to be below industry average. Oh, and look at BMW.

[Moppie]

Not according to this--
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2007-06-06-ford-quality_N.htm
GM seems to be below industry average. Oh, and look at BMW.

What they don't tell you is the list also includes any recalls, voluntary or otherwise, and that a large chunk of the survey is based on a very subjective analysis by the buyers of the car.
It also does not match other surveys taken in other parts of the world, which tend to be quite consistent with each other.

[pendulum15]

Pacific vs Source Four

[kevin_c]

Better forums - I swapped over to Canon from Nikon because 'POTN' is so much better than 'Nikon Cafe' or 'Nikonians'...

[Richard Lincoln]

I have to disagree.

People only buy Nikon because thier Daddy had one, the Canons are a far superior product £ for £, have better lenses and theres a really pretty lass with cracking norks who works in my local camera shop and she said so. If I agree with her she may come out for dinner ......

[Guineh]

choosing between Canon and Nikon is like comparing Coke and Pepsi. you can't go wrong with either (err, i meant the cams).

Except that Pepsi is a vile substance. Ahem, anyway.. I've had the opportunity to play with both and Nikon definitely has some strong points. I went with Canon because of their sensor, which is less affected by noise. Of course, Nikon is now catching up, though they do tend to be a bit more expensive in terms of the price of lenses and such, but this can be mediated by going 3rd party for lenses.

[CyberDyneSystems]

:lol:

We just keep seeing the Canon V Nikon threads these days..

The fact of the matter is with Digital for several years there were few compelling reasons other than legacy to chose Nikon (for DSLR) as Canon was absolutely way ahead from 2001 - 2006, particularly in the pro DSLR category.
This was a dark time for Nikon as even there loyal long time shooters were migrating to Canon (again on the pro level more than consumer)
The consumer level bodies there was more parity,. but once you looked at 1D series, Noinks answers to them were always too little and in some cases VERY too late.. ( Noink finally released a pro level 4MP body with similar to specs to the 1D,... 3 years after the 1D! And even with an extra 3 years time to work on it, the D2H wasn't any better than the 1D, in fact it was arguably not as good.. just as an example )

During that period, we really never saw many threads making the comparison, as there was none to be made.

Now Noink is right there with Canon with there two latest and greatest. The forum has not been the same since.

[peterbj7]

I chose a 5D DESPITE it being a Canon, not because it was. I wanted the low light performance that only a 5D (or a 1ds MkIII) could give me. I say despite it being Canon as I was one of the people shafted by Canon when they introduced EOS. Suddenly all my FD gear, and I had a lot of it, was relatively worthless and couldn't be upgraded.

That said, I think Canon are well ahead of Nikon in the DSLR stakes, or have been until recently. I'd much rather have a 40D than a D40, though I prefer my 5D to either of them. If I were to choose another DSLR from what's currently available (and could afford it) it would be a 1Ds MkIII.

[gjl711]

GM is clearly better than Ford. (Although I just bought a Focus for the wife.. opps!)
I tell that to my wife every time I pick her up at the Ford dealership in my Grand Prix. She has yet to pick me up. ;)

Not according to this--
http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2007-06-06-ford-quality_N.htm
GM seems to be below industry average. Oh, and look at BMW.
The problems with the powers survey are many. I filled one out with my last new car and many questions were ambiguous and leading. But it all boils down to a number delivered without context is meaningless. It’s sort of like the traffic stat posted last week that indicates that out of every 100 traffic fatalities 60 died with their seat belts on and more people die between 50 and 55mph than at any other speed including over 55. So clearly it is safer to ride without seatbelts at a high rate of speed, right?

[pointerDixie214]

Penn vs. Daiwa vs. Shimano

hehehehe (From my other absorbatently expensive hobby)

[Roy Mathers]

Penn vs. Daiwa vs. Shimano

hehehehe (From my other absorbatently expensive hobby)

In a very friendly and helpful way, I should point out that I think you mean exorbitantly :D

[20droger]

Penn vs. Daiwa vs. Shimano

hehehehe (From my other absorbatently expensive hobby)

In a very friendly and helpful way, I should point out that I think you mean exorbitantly :D
Give him a break, Roy. He's from Florida, and they don't know the language very well.

[Right Cranium Imaging]

Well since everyone else has used an analogy, Im going to go with..... Kraft vs Velveeta

They are virtually the same, sure there are a few differences in each that are mostly personal preference on which you like better.

Its not like you can look at an Image and say "Oh man what a great image, that must have been shot with a Canon/Nikon camera"

They are both just a tool to produce the same product.

[Roy Mathers]

Give him a break, Roy. He's from Florida, and they don't know the language very well.

:D:D

[airfrogusmc]

I chose a 5D DESPITE it being a Canon, not because it was. I wanted the low light performance that only a 5D (or a 1ds MkIII) could give me. I say despite it being Canon as I was one of the people shafted by Canon when they introduced EOS. Suddenly all my FD gear, and I had a lot of it, was relatively worthless and couldn't be upgraded.

That said, I think Canon are well ahead of Nikon in the DSLR stakes, or have been until recently. I'd much rather have a 40D than a D40, though I prefer my 5D to either of them. If I were to choose another DSLR from what's currently available (and could afford it) it would be a 1Ds MkIII.

Thats why I shot (when I shot 35mm) with my F-1s until a few years back. Noth'n really better than those and the glass I had anyway. I need FF and low light and didn't need all the stuff on a 1Ds ...


I am SO GLAD I went with the 5d and doubt I will be up grading when the new one comes out.

Nikons are great cameras and they are all just tools. The real importance is learning to use those tools to express your vision. Ya can't really fully learn if your changing gear with every upgrade.

[Moppie]

Marmite vs Vegemite.

We all know Vegemite tastes better.

[gjl711]

Marmite vs Vegemite.

We all know Vegemite tastes better.
Wait a minute, they both taste like butt crack jam. :p

[cujo_gone_mad]

Well since everyone else has used an analogy, Im going to go with..... Kraft vs Velveeta

They are virtually the same, sure there are a few differences in each that are mostly personal preference on which you like better.

Its not like you can look at an Image and say "Oh man what a great image, that must have been shot with a Canon/Nikon camera"

They are both just a tool to produce the same product.
I don't think your analogy works in this instance, since velveeta is a Kraft product.

[Moppie]

Wait a minute, they both taste like butt crack jam. :p

I don't think I want to know how you gained the knowledge to make such a comparison.......:lol::lol::lol::p

[20droger]

Marmite vs Vegemite.

We all know Vegemite tastes better.

Wait a minute, they both taste like butt crack jam. :p
Yes, but Vegemite tastes like better butt-crack jam!

[Richard Lincoln]

Abu vs. Abu vs. Abu

hehehehe (From my other absorbatently expensive hobby)

Thats better .....

[_aravena]

Ford and Chevy!?! :P

Toyota baby! More like PS vs Xbox and the Wii is...um...Pentax, Sony, and others combined.

[Roy Mathers]

I think a more appropriate comparison between Canon and Nikon would be Rolls Royce and Bentley:)

[20droger]

Sadly, Rolls Royce is not the same now that it's owned by BMW, whereas a Bentley is still a Bentley.

Rolls hasn't deteriorated as much as has Jaguar, though.

[Roy Mathers]

You obviously haven't read the reviews of the latest Jaguars. For instance, the new Jaguar XF has just been voted the Car of the Year by What Car Magazine. It is a superb car. And - the S-type Jaguar has just come top in the Executive Class in the recently-announced JD Power survey.

[peterbj7]

Jaguars are now some of the best cars in the world of their type. And they're properly built. The only amazing thing is that Ford don't seem to realise what a gem they've just let go.

[_aravena]

Yeah, Car of the Year by Car Magazine, there are a bunch of geniuses at work.

[buto]

getting real nerdy but....

vi vs emacs

[Roy Mathers]

Jaguars are now some of the best cars in the world of their type. And they're properly built. The only amazing thing is that Ford don't seem to realise what a gem they've just let go.

Well said Peter!

[cbh76]

Ford and Chevy!?! :P

Toyota baby! More like PS vs Xbox and the Wii is...um...Pentax, Sony, and others combined.


I haven't researched the numbers but does that mean that Pentax, Sony, and the others are outselling Canon and Nikon combined? (By a landslide I might add.) :cool:

[cbh76]

Sadly, Rolls Royce is not the same now that it's owned by BMW, whereas a Bentley is still a Bentley.

Rolls hasn't deteriorated as much as has Jaguar, though.


Volkswagen owns Bentley. Personally I would rather be owned by BMW. :confused:

[Roy Mathers]

I dont' think the owners matter much. Both cars are still made in the same factories, by the same workforce, in Britain.

[Moppie]

I dont' think the owners matter much. Both cars are still made in the same factories, by the same workforce, in Britain.

The problem is they are designed in Germany by Germans and use German engines and running gear (more so for the Bentley than the Rolls).

Although it might not be all that bad, BMW started by building Austin 7s under license so things have just gone full circle.

[yogestee]

I'd still be using Nikon if the newspaper I worked for went over to Canon when it went digital in 1999.. At that time Nikon didn't have a DSLR that we though suitable.. We bought 12 Canon D2000 kits,, biggest pieces of crap I've ever used..

I came up using Nikon film cameras since the late 70's.. I still reckon my Nikon F2AS Photomic is the best camera I've ever owned,,, an absolute work of art..

[DocFrankenstein]

They are more like BMW and Mercedes, both at the top of the industry, with class leading technology, but both go about it quite differently, and have their own fan bases.

GM and Ford both still make cars with leaf springs and live axles.
No. They're more like ford and chevy. Maybe like toyota or lexus... at best.

Leica and zeiss are the mercedes of the past. Not the current compressor ****

A BMW is a "cool" car only in the north america, in reality it's "meh"

[DocFrankenstein]

I don't like talking about brands.

The consumers are much more fun. Most buy their tubrocharged sport cars and slowly drive around a little circle in their back yard.

They freaked out when they see a scratch... and the car is a status symbol and after getting one, you believe yours is best and anybody who disagrees should be argued to death.

You won't race it. You won't take it to the limit, but you'll sit around the forum arguing about horsepowers, torque, add-ons and whichever comes from 0 to 60 faster.

[fubarhouse]

You'll find over here in Australia countless thousands of show cars, many include Fords, have chevy mechanics behind them. ;)
I love this nation for it's interest and enthusiasm in motorsport :D

I reckon they are basically the same thing, we (Canon & Nikon) get along and we sometimes even have both kits. However as much as we might like, very few of us hybrid a camera with Nikon and Canon pieces ;)

[20droger]

...very few of us hybrid a camera with Nikon and Canon pieces ;)
Just what we need, nn EOS-1Ds Mark III with Nikon processors, to bring in all that beautiful high-ISO noise!

[Croasdail]

No. They're more like ford and chevy. Maybe like toyota or lexus... at best.

Leica and zeiss are the mercedes of the past. Not the current compressor ****

A BMW is a "cool" car only in the north america, in reality it's "meh"

You haven't been around much I take it.....

Someone mentioned JD Powers initial quality reviews.... well you'll not like this then

http://www.jdpower.com/electronics/ratings/digital-camera-ratings/dslr

Press Release (http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/news/releases/pressrelease.aspx?ID=2007153)


The good news, Canon Printers do much better.

I don't like talking about brands.

The consumers are much more fun. Most buy their tubrocharged sport cars and slowly drive around a little circle in their back yard.

They freaked out when they see a scratch... and the car is a status symbol and after getting one, you believe yours is best and anybody who disagrees should be argued to death.

You won't race it. You won't take it to the limit, but you'll sit around the forum arguing about horsepowers, torque, add-ons and whichever comes from 0 to 60 faster.

Don't confuse people who spend tons of time on forums arguing about things with people who actually do things. Forums do not reflect reality. Just because we respect (well usually) the laws of the highway doesn't mean we don't take them out for a run on the track from time to time.... or on the way to the track.

I think the difference is there are people who like to argue about what is better, and those who go out and just enjoy what they have, what ever that may be. Could be a Canon, could be a Nikon... or a Porsche or a BMW M... or an AMG, or a vintage Honda or chevy fixed up.

[DocFrankenstein]

Don't confuse people who spend tons of time on forums arguing about things with people who actually do things. Forums do not reflect reality. Just because we respect (well usually) the laws of the highway doesn't mean we don't take them out for a run on the track from time to time.... or on the way to the track.

I think the difference is there are people who like to argue about what is better, and those who go out and just enjoy what they have, what ever that may be. Could be a Canon, could be a Nikon... or a Porsche or a BMW M... or an AMG, or a vintage Honda or chevy fixed up.
you mean there's actually people like that?