Karts

[dod]

Firt time effort at this and oh boy these guys are quick. I thought my reflexes were good but I've got a whole load of shots of back wheels.

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/gallery/data/500/8W0A7955.jpg

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/gallery/data/500/8W0A7318.jpg

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/gallery/data/500/8W0A7431.jpg

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/gallery/data/500/8W0A7454.jpg

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/gallery/data/500/8W0A7639.jpg

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/gallery/data/500/8W0A7657.jpg

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/gallery/data/500/8W0A7823.jpg

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/gallery/data/500/8W0A6502.jpg

[Britman]

for a first time you've done bloody good.
What track?

[dod]

Ta, Golspie :) High reject rate though, I'd say I'd only 50% keepers :(

[yakbut]

If you got 50% keepers you did well ;-)

[sparklingwiggle]

Good ol' two-strokes!

[Jadam]

what lenses did you use. Good shots

[dod]

Thanks for the comments folks.

Jadam, the 100-400

[CarlEOgden]

Nice set of shots, maybe the kid in #2 should be watching the track not the "tog" :)

Carl.

[John Thawley]

Ta, Golspie :) High reject rate though, I'd say I'd only 50% keepers :(

Lose the "keeper" attitude. I hear this discussion all the time and it makes me cringe.

It's not about the pile of photos, it's about the quality of the photos you present. No one is impressed with 100 safe pan shots. Show them two or three killer shots and they're drooling.

My weekend goes like this... 5000 frames... around 500 quality shots, 20-30 I really like... 1 or 2 worthy of my portfolio. That is a good weekend.

To me... if you're keeping 50% of your shots, you're shooting too safe and you're not trying hard enough. Shooting to see how many you can keep is easy.

[Mark1]

Very true John!

If you are just learning. My thought is do shoot safe just so you can take home something. But also push your self so that you can learn. Ignore your keeper rate. you will wear off the printing on the delete key soon enough. Make sure you know WHY you are deleting each bad one to help learn as well. once you get your pan movement down, try to slow the camera down as well, you will get a lot more of the speed feel in your images. See how slow you can get it, rather how fast and still give the speed feel.

Back the zoom off a bit as well. Show the whole cart in some shots.

[Britman]

I'm with John and Mark, I'm still in the transision stage of not counting keeper and looking at the quality.
Some time you have to be brutal.

[Ian_H]

Very nice Dod, they are tricky things to catch, I really like the first one, the look of determination in his eyes and he doesn't look that old.


Cheers
Ian

[AzzA]

Yeh good stuff dod. Like the shots with the eyes, always good to get a bit of eye contact lol

Not shot karts before but I've seen em' whizz around, should think they're quite challenging to shoot as they change directly so quickly and sharply. I'll give it a go one day!!

[AzzA]

It's not about the pile of photos, it's about the quality of the photos you present. No one is impressed with 100 safe pan shots. Show them two or three killer shots and they're drooling.

My weekend goes like this... 5000 frames... around 500 quality shots, 20-30 I really like... 1 or 2 worthy of my portfolio. That is a good weekend.

To me... if you're keeping 50% of your shots, you're shooting too safe and you're not trying hard enough. Shooting to see how many you can keep is easy.

John, tend to agree with you here. Apart from 5000 shots... that's er quite a lot lol. But yeh I aim to get around 50% of all I take as "quality". A handful as something "I like", maybe a bit different and maybe 1 or 2 to actually be happy with heh.

[dod]

Lose the "keeper" attitude. I hear this discussion all the time and it makes me cringe.

It's not about the pile of photos, it's about the quality of the photos you present. No one is impressed with 100 safe pan shots. Show them two or three killer shots and they're drooling.

My weekend goes like this... 5000 frames... around 500 quality shots, 20-30 I really like... 1 or 2 worthy of my portfolio. That is a good weekend.

To me... if you're keeping 50% of your shots, you're shooting too safe and you're not trying hard enough. Shooting to see how many you can keep is easy.

Always amazes me how someone can see a statement and get it so wrong :rolleyes:

Where to start? Your post presumes everyone wants to be like you, are servicing the same market, have the same clients, want to produce the same shots as you, have the same aspirations etc. They don't. I haven't stated how I define keepers and just because you've made some assumption of what I consider to be a keeper, and it's different to yours, doesn't make it wrong anyway. It just makes it different. If I was looking for a specific shot for a client I'd be happy if it took 10,000 to get it. If I'm looking at shooting an event with a view to selling prints I'm looking for a lot better than 1 in 10 and yes, I'm looking for better than 50%. I'll be honest and say that when I read your post initially I thought it was just a touch "superior" and elitist and I was tempted to tell you to drop the attitude period. However, bearing in mind I don't know you, and the written word doesn't always convey exactly what you mean, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and I won't.

Two other things.

Firstly, rather than commenting on what you perceive to be my attitude, which you can't establish from one sentence, why not critique the images? For someone of your experience surely that would be a bit more constructive? Perhaps help a lowly togger get away from "100 safe pans"? Believe me I can cope with images being criticised, I have no delusions of being a fantastic photographer.

Second
To me... if you're keeping 50% of your shots, you're shooting too safe and you're not trying hard enough.
Trying hard enough for what and what's too safe? You've made a statement without explaining the rationale behind it. You haven't found out what I was trying to achieve, why I was shooting, nothing. You've just taken a comment you don't care for and waded on in. You can't apply your criteria blindly to everyone else, it's narrow minded, prescriptive, egotistical and to be frank does a dis-service to a lot of hard working togs, working week in week out to provide the competitors with what they want. They don't want works of art, they simply want an image they can recognise and frame. If it happens to be a great shot so much the better but most of the guys on this board will provide a significantly better product than the mums and dads trying to get a shot of their beloved.

Perhaps you mean push it a bit more like these? I've included one at 1/30th as I see it's a favourite of yours :)

http://www.hardmuircroft.plus.com/leuchars/8W0A5424.jpg

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/gallery/data/500/IMG_0709.jpg

[Mark1]

dod, points well made. But I think you are over reacting.

Since I agreed with John, I will explain myself a bit better. Definition of "keeper" does vary, true. Other than people that 'keep' simply because they pushed the button excluded....at least to me "keeper" is simply not deleated. They dont have to be great. But simply if I think there is any possibility I might use them they are Keepers. Intent, client, etc...etc, all that is irrevelavent. The keeper rate is really dependent on how hard you are in judging your own work. Easy for some, impossable for others. My wife and I are perfect examples. She will not deleate ANYTHING. I have no problem scraping it all and starting over. But then again I have been shooting for far to long. I have also found...as backwards as it sounds.....the better I get, the worse my keeper rate gets. I beleave I am just getting better at rating my pictures.

Shooting safe, I took this as a general statement. To me it means "By the book" not pushing you or your equipment. You can get some amazing shots this way....thats why it is "the book" But they may also look like stock shots and unimaginative.

I know your above response was not directed at me. However I did align my self with the reply you are adressing.

[Borbor]

dod:

Keep your "keepers" for now.

go back to it 6 months from now and see if you still want to keep them. If you do, you've got keepers ;)

If you don't, well then you know you've improved and you probably know the reason why you don't want to keep them anymore.

I can tell you that from my learning experience, I've already scrapped the majority of the ones I "kept" from my first two outings from earlier this year.

[John Thawley]

Always amazes me how someone can see a statement and get it so wrong :rolleyes:

Where to start? Your post presumes everyone wants to be like you, are servicing the same market, have the same clients, want to produce the same shots as you, have the same aspirations etc. They don't. I haven't stated how I define keepers and just because you've made some assumption of what I consider to be a keeper, and it's different to yours, doesn't make it wrong anyway. It just makes it different. If I was looking for a specific shot for a client I'd be happy if it took 10,000 to get it. If I'm looking at shooting an event with a view to selling prints I'm looking for a lot better than 1 in 10 and yes, I'm looking for better than 50%. I'll be honest and say that when I read your post initially I thought it was just a touch "superior" and elitist and I was tempted to tell you to drop the attitude period. However, bearing in mind I don't know you, and the written word doesn't always convey exactly what you mean, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and I won't.

Two other things.

Firstly, rather than commenting on what you perceive to be my attitude, which you can't establish from one sentence, why not critique the images? For someone of your experience surely that would be a bit more constructive? Perhaps help a lowly togger get away from "100 safe pans"? Believe me I can cope with images being criticised, I have no delusions of being a fantastic photographer.

Second

Trying hard enough for what and what's too safe? You've made a statement without explaining the rationale behind it. You haven't found out what I was trying to achieve, why I was shooting, nothing. You've just taken a comment you don't care for and waded on in. You can't apply your criteria blindly to everyone else, it's narrow minded, prescriptive, egotistical and to be frank does a dis-service to a lot of hard working togs, working week in week out to provide the competitors with what they want. They don't want works of art, they simply want an image they can recognise and frame. If it happens to be a great shot so much the better but most of the guys on this board will provide a significantly better product than the mums and dads trying to get a shot of their beloved.

Perhaps you mean push it a bit more like these? I've included one at 1/30th as I see it's a favourite of yours :)

http://www.hardmuircroft.plus.com/leuchars/8W0A5424.jpg

http://www.talkphotography.co.uk/gallery/data/500/IMG_0709.jpg

Well, it always amazes me how someone can make a statement and then go sideways trying to convince anyone who'll listen.. "that isn't what I meant."

Sorry, I didn't realize you were so sensitive.

Regardless, (and if you feel my attitude is superior, so be it... your loss if that's all you took away from my comments)... I stand by what I said based on your comment High reject rate though, I'd say I'd only 50% keepers

It has nothing to do with the shoot, the client, the goal... or anything else. It's about being the best you can be. So, if safe is how you choose to define your best, have it. I can't think of any other way to construe your statement. YOU said the reject rate was HIGH. Sorry, I don't know how else to construe that.

The only caveat to this converstation is perhaps instead of "lose the attitude," I should have chosen gentler words such as "stop worrying about it."

Either way, if your happy, carry on. I don't have any real constructive criticism for the photos as much as they're neither here nor there. You noted it was your first time... I took you at your word... it was your first time. They're fine... you'll do better your second time. And, after all, I don't know what you call safe, good, portfolio work or whatever. I can only go by what I call safe, good, portfolio work or whatever. At least according to you.

Keep having fun....