Screwing with Indigenous Peoples

[LW Dail]

I'm just opening cans of worms everywhere today!

The following link goes to a slideshow of photos of a previously unknown Amazon Basin tribe of people.

One of the shots has the following caption:

In this image made available Thursday May 29, 2008, from Survival International, showing 'uncontacted Indians' of the Envira, who have never before had any contact with the outside world, photographed during an overflight in May 2008, as they camp in the Terra Indigena Kampa e Isolados do Envira, Acre state, Brazil, close to the border with Peru. 'We did the overflight to show their houses, to show they are there, to show they exist,' said uncontacted tribes expert José Carlos dos Reis Meirelles Júnior.

Scroll through the shots while reading the captions. Some of the shots show the Indians shooting at the plane.

Gee, ya think!

An isolated tribe in the Amazon basin who have had no contact with the outside world, ever, and a plane flies over taking pictures?!?!

Even if there is never any more contact, they're going to have a new myth about the large bird that growled and circled with other 'man shapes' inside!

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Uncontacted-Amazonian-tribe-photographed-indigenous-peoples-Acre-Peru/ss/events/wl/052908amazontribe/s:/nm/20080529/sc_nm/brazil_tribe_dc/im:/080530/photos_sc/2008_05_30t092104_450x306_us_brazil_tribe/;_ylt=AhNDeF93Oc4Zlev4RbIARSUiANEA#photoViewer=/080530/photos_sc/2008_05_29t164731_326x450_us_brazil_tribe

[BillsBayou]

...Even if there is never any more contact, they're going to have a new myth about the large bird that growled and circled with other 'man shapes' inside!

Either that, or they went back in their huts to complain about the planes in their blogs and post videos of it on YouTube.

[condyk]

Hell, wot next ... let's give 'em our diseases, our good ol' religun and our concept of private properrty. Them poor savages folks need our help innit?

[Mike]

I saw that in the paper today. They should have left them alone or at least flown a bit higher!

[Chet]

Maybe they'll have a mass suicide because ancient words spoken from their ancestors talk about the mother ship coming to release their souls. Probably already burned their village to the ground in homage.

[BrinNutz]

I wonder what they think...Since it seems they've never seen a plane.

[oaktree]

You realize that if the rest of humanity goes to hell and we destroy ourselves, they are the ones that will survive. Then who'll be looking "down" at who?

[sevillafox]

Hell, wot next ... let's give 'em our diseases, our good ol' religun and our concept of private properrty. Them poor savages folks need our help innit?

Yeah, right. ;) Why is it that we feel the need to "live with the mek." Leave them alone, they were fine before they'll be fine forever.

[Mum2J&M]

You realize that if the rest of humanity goes to hell and we destroy ourselves, they are the ones that will survive. Then who'll be looking "down" at who?

Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing this morning. While we're suffering to find food, they'll still be planting their own crops and killing their own livestock for survival. They'll still have a roof over their heads and no need for gasoline. Makes you kind of think, huh?

[oaktree]

Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing this morning. While we're suffering to find food, they'll still be planting their own crops and killing their own livestock for survival. They'll still have a roof over their heads and no need for gasoline. Makes you kind of think, huh?


Hope you and your family's doing OK.

[steved110]

Funny, I was thinking the exact same thing this morning. While we're suffering to find food, they'll still be planting their own crops and killing their own livestock for survival. They'll still have a roof over their heads and no need for gasoline. Makes you kind of think, huh?

They will also be living nasty, brutish lives, watching their kids die of preventable diseases and subject to the vagaries of nature in a way we cannot really comprehend. It's wrong to assume that just because they are isolated from nintendos and DSLRs that they are happier than anyone else.

In my mind there is nothing romantic about living like that - but it surely is a pity that so called civilisation has to foul up the environment and dilute unique cultures. I don't know how you square that circle. But condyk's right - they'll soon be on welfare and booze and watching their little bit of forest get chopped up for biofuel and sugar plantations, while everyone else gets rich. Root, hog or die

[Nortelbert]

Uncontacted <> unaware

I'm willing to bet that planes have flown overhead before, and that they've reacted the same way to any other low flying ones

[Tandem]

An isolated tribe in the Amazon basin who have had no contact with the outside world, ever, and a plane flies over taking pictures?!?!
How is it that they can do that in direct violation of the Prime Directive? Don't they know they should be using a cloaking device whenever they observe any pre-warp civilizations prior to first contact? They may have already altered the natural course of development for this society.

[Nick Pro]

I think it would actually be very cool to be form one of those tribes. No major worries except for food, and just a cool life.

[oaktree]

How is it that they can do that in direct violation of the Prime Directive?

Come to think about it: You're right!

Just remember that, one day, the descendants of these villagers may have legends about a once great race of humans that squandered the riches of the land, plundered other people's lands and destroyed their civilization.

Darned it! I've got to stop being a "cup half empty" person.

[TheHoff]

I think it would actually be very cool to be form one of those tribes. No major worries except for food, and just a cool life.

You do realize the paradox involved in forming an "uncontacted tribe"?

[Nick Pro]

You do realize the paradox involved in forming an "uncontacted tribe"?

apparently not :lol:

[Chet]

Maybe we should be sneaking in cool stuff that they can find. Canoe, some saws, nail gun. Just leave them in places they will discover, sure we'll take it out of that crazy dangerous plastic packaging first.

[Nortelbert]

As I said before, just because we haven't contacted them, doesn't mean they're not aware of the outside world (via neighboring tribes perhaps).

I wonder if they're on Facebook yet

[20droger]

Maybe we should be sneaking in cool stuff that they can find. Canoe, some saws, nail gun. Just leave them in places they will discover, sure we'll take it out of that crazy dangerous plastic packaging first.
Or a Coke bottle, à la "The Gods Must Be Crazy."

[Chet]

Or a Coke bottle, à la "The Gods Must Be Crazy."


Loved that movie. Great idea!

[DAMphyne]

What were they shooting with?

[20droger]

Presuming you mean the natives, spears, bow & arrows, blowgun, rocks, etc.

If you mean the photographer, the article and BBC newscast I saw didn't say.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Wow, what a thing to see...

I bet they know more about the outside world than we imagine.. probably some amazing legends they have.

I hope it;s not a trick or hoax.

[Chet]

You mean like the Richard Dreyfuss movie Krippendorf's Tribe (1998)?

Where Prof. James Krippendorf (Richard Dreyfuss) an anthropologist creates a fictitious lost New Guinea tribe using his family members to cover-up for his mis-use of grant moneys.

[CyberDyneSystems]

Well, yes I suppose, I was actually thinking of some actual cases where people have gone so far, cases that I suspect the movie you refer to may have been losely based on..

The Tasady for example;
http://www.sil.org/~headlandt/tasaday.htm
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/Hoaxipedia/Stone_Age_Tasaday/

And Piltdown Man
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/piltdown.html

Then there's Mead's work in Samoa;
http://forum.isi.org/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5450006552/m/7270060794
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Mead

Now looking at the close up photo from the original post, the one that shows the tribes people clearly in bright red and dark blue or balck body paint.. to me that seems almost too over the top too much like your "Krippendorf" imagery for reality.

But I'm a skeptic by nature.

[12mnkys]

they must be really pissed about global warming...we should send al gore over there to screen an inconvienent truth.... :D

[12mnkys]

they must be really pissed about global warming...we should send al gore over there to screen an inconvienent truth.... :D

[20droger]

they must be really pissed about global warming...we should send al gore over there to screen an inconvienent truth.... :D
Boy, you must really dislike indigenous peoples!

[20droger]

Wow, what a thing to see...

I bet they know more about the outside world than we imagine.. probably some amazing legends they have.

I hope it;s not a trick or hoax.
I first became aware of it on a BBC broadcast. They're better than most at accuracy.

But then, even the best have been fooled at times.

[LW Dail]

What an idea you've given me:

We get together for a photo shoot in a rain forest.

We create a thatched roof kind of village, design based loosely on a cool crop circle. Under said thatched roof is a nice generator operating our laptops, a/c units, refrigerator full of steaks, and coolers of beer.

Then we send an anonymous message to "Survival International" informing them of our 'discovery.'

When they begin to fly over, we don our Village People
/Halloween /Kippendorf's Tribe costumes and go run around in some ritualized dance.

OR...ohh this is good....

Gorilla Suits! We dress up in gorilla suits and do the above!!!! :lol:

[AngryCorgi]

News Flash: It was a HOAX! ....well somewhat of a hoax anyway...

http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzzlog/91536

[Mum2J&M]

Yeah, sort of a hoax. Sounds like this guy was sort of breaking his own rules by doing the fly-over in the first place!