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evandavies
4th of June 2008 (Wed), 19:23
Now that some of our members have it:
Show us what it can do... :D

iplayazi
4th of June 2008 (Wed), 19:27
Lens is 10 minutes old but I got a good feeling its gonna be a keeper lens!

800mm equivalent with stabilizer. Cant be beat in price!

First shot taken with lens, Not a great shot but happy with the performance so far.
http://www.pbase.com/iplayazi/image/98141184/original.jpg

drkstang00
4th of June 2008 (Wed), 19:38
Looking good, can't wait to see more! :D

Just curious, does this lens AF at 500mm on a 350D?

evandavies
4th of June 2008 (Wed), 19:48
Yes, it does.

Its only using TC's going over f/5.6 that cause AF problems.

caesar2164
4th of June 2008 (Wed), 21:16
any with a 40D??

that's what I'd use it with so I'm interested!!!

I can't wait for more pics!!!

In2Photos
4th of June 2008 (Wed), 22:42
Lens is 10 minutes old but I got a good feeling its gonna be a keeper lens!

800mm equivalent with stabilizer. Cant be beat in price!

First shot taken with lens, Not a great shot but happy with the performance so far.
http://www.pbase.com/iplayazi/image/98141184/original.jpg
Looks good to me. Got any more? How about some 100% crops unprocessed?

Ultimate CC
4th of June 2008 (Wed), 22:53
thats looking really good...

bagtagsell
5th of June 2008 (Thu), 01:54
and i had just made up my mind on the 120-400. time to rethink.

Lars Leber
5th of June 2008 (Thu), 02:10
I just received my new Sigma. Went outside and walked around the house to get some bird photos but found none only a dragonfly ..

XTi; 500mm; f/8; 1/320s; ISO400

Unedited RAW resized and saved as JPG..

http://larsleber.com/boards/2008_06/IMG_5815_800.jpg

100% crop from image above..

http://larsleber.com/boards/2008_06/IMG_5815_800_100pc.jpg

XTi; 500mm; f/8; 1/20s; ISO1600. AF worked really well in low light indoors. Added a tiny amount of sharpening to this otherwise just resized image..

http://larsleber.com/boards/2008_06/IMG_5779_800.jpg

Tomorrow, I will hopefully have more time to get some nicer photos.

Roy C
5th of June 2008 (Thu), 03:30
Just curious, does this lens AF at 500mm on a 350D?
Although it is f 6.3 it only reports f5.6 to the camera so it will AF on any body (this is the same as other Sigma f6.3 lenses like the bigma)

Gliderparentntn
5th of June 2008 (Thu), 10:01
so far these have been the sharpest photos I have seen. I think peple are shooting too far away with the lens and cropping too much and this is making them look soft.
Thats my opinion I don't know if this is the case but up until now I was no where near impressed.

AlexinS.A.
5th of June 2008 (Thu), 10:30
Got mine 2 days ago but weather has been too awful to use. Just got home and took the following shot of a lime on a tree in my garden. "Quick fix and Auto Sharpen" in Photoshop Elements 5. Not too sure yoet but hopefully tomorrow if weather good, will take for a walk in local nature reserve (Bird Shots). http://inlinethumb53.webshots.com/41972/2322757860103560971S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2322757860103560971IqkpSp)

AngryCorgi
5th of June 2008 (Thu), 10:31
so far these have been the sharpest phots I have seen. I think peple are shooting too far away with the lens and cropping too much and this is making them look soft.
Thats my opinion I don't know if this is the case but up until now I was no where near impressed.

I agree. One of the posters comments on another thread was that it appeared sharper at macro distances and softer at infinity, but they did not state the range that the near-infinity-focus shots were taken. Depending on atmospheric (especially humidity) conditions, many of the shots could have been softened by diffusion. Some people forget that when the air is saturated, the long shots are going to be noticeably softer than macro shots.

05Xrunner
5th of June 2008 (Thu), 10:46
this lens looks like it might be shaping up to be a pretty good performer and especially for the price

Neilyb
5th of June 2008 (Thu), 11:14
Is it true that at 300-500mm the max is f6.3?

05Xrunner
5th of June 2008 (Thu), 11:16
afraid so...dont know why they did that and that sucks but oh well.

bagtagsell
5th of June 2008 (Thu), 16:58
Just ordered mine. Should be here Tuesday.

iplayazi
5th of June 2008 (Thu), 19:34
Just another quick shot but at almost 100% crop went through my normal processing. Not "L" sharpness but happy with detail extracted with crop.

http://www.pbase.com/iplayazi/image/98185189/original.jpg

AlexinS.A.
6th of June 2008 (Fri), 08:10
Took it for a walk, mounted on monopod, in a local Nature reserve today. Got a few O.K. shots and am happy with lens. Maybe not "L" quality BUT certainly not "L" price. Sure it will improve when I get used to it as I have found in the past that this is the norm. 1st shot straight out the camera with no PP, others with my normal quick fix and auto sharpen in PS Elements 5. http://inlinethumb43.webshots.com/41706/2338548780103560971S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2338548780103560971bPSnTJ) http://inlinethumb58.webshots.com/20217/2825051980103560971S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2825051980103560971RtIqlp) http://inlinethumb61.webshots.com/40252/2474151710103560971S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2474151710103560971COVoEA):)

LightRules
7th of June 2008 (Sat), 20:55
Some from a poster at DPR http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1029&message=28205579

Looking better and better.

Tony-S
8th of June 2008 (Sun), 05:10
Sitting here in Heathrow awaiting my connect to the US and thought I'd post a couple of quickies from my trip to Kenya. A mostly overcast day, so the lighting was pretty flat. These were taken at 500mm f/8-9 or so. All done on my 12" iBook G4 and DPP, so I cannot evaluate them as carefully as I can with Aperture. No pp other than conversion to JPEG. Full-frames followed by 100% crops.

Some sort of game bird.

Tony-S
8th of June 2008 (Sun), 05:15
A giraffe.

Tony-S
8th of June 2008 (Sun), 05:23
Some kind of waterfowl at 403mm. This one had some sun on it.

condyk
8th of June 2008 (Sun), 05:26
Some sort of game bird.

:lol::lol: The ol' Helmeted Guineafowl is a tough birdy to shoot. They never keep still when they're on walkabout. The brown bird is a Hamerkop.

My take on this lens so far is that we have lots of images taken way off in the distance and cropped and also some people being too quick to post to be 'one of the first'. Any lens performs best within certain conditions and usage. There is a lot of variability in IQ so far on different fora and I would always take the best shots I can find and use them as examples of capability, plus checking the EXIF data to see where it seems to perform best. I'd ignore any others. In theory, this should be a solid safari lens: 500mm at f8.0 it would need to produce strong shots.

Tony-S
8th of June 2008 (Sun), 05:48
The HSM focusing seems to have very nice performance.

Neilyb
8th of June 2008 (Sun), 07:58
The Hammerkop and Giraffe look reasonable but f8 but not earth shattering...

evandavies
8th of June 2008 (Sun), 17:03
Very interesting shots everybody, thanks for posting.


Some from a poster at DPR http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1029&message=28205579
Looking better and better.

Not bad but allot of sharpening done there... The noise is really starting to show even at that low res.

Another thing we may be seeing unfortunately is the Sigma high variation of quality between lens copies.

In2Photos
9th of June 2008 (Mon), 08:35
Another thing we may be seeing unfortunately is the Sigma high variation of quality between lens copies.
Or rather the high variation between those that know what they are doing and those that think that they know what they are doing. I am starting to think that most of the early adopters are just throwing shots up just for the sake of it. If they spent the time on the shots like they normally would I think the results would be much better.

GyRob
9th of June 2008 (Mon), 09:10
My lens just arived today
this one is hand held 1dmk3 lens at 500mm 1/320 sec f 6.3 iso 200
full frame and aprox 100% crop has had my normal pp work done.
Rob.

In2Photos
9th of June 2008 (Mon), 09:29
My lens just arived today
this one is hand held 1dmk3 lens at 500mm 1/320 sec f 6.3 iso 200
full frame and aprox 100% crop has had my normal pp work done.
Rob.
Looks pretty good Rob. How do you like it so far? Give us your thoughts.

GyRob
9th of June 2008 (Mon), 10:50
Looks pretty good Rob. How do you like it so far? Give us your thoughts.
To me its quite light ( see sig ) feel's nice in the hand and easy to swing up onto a bird in flight just did that with this shot :)OS is slower to startup than IS but that should not be a problem .
The zoom ring is tight but it will ease off with use im sure.
I think its well made although im sure the felty outer surface will were off with use not that that bothers me at all.
its a shame it does not have a limit switch as it does take longer to focus if you lose the bird SO dont lose it :)
The triopd ring is nice and big enough to hold onto when carrying the len's /camera and on that plate at the back your thum almost fits in the gap between the camera and plate (ITS AT THE BACK OF THE TRIPOD PLATE ) but it feels sharp as the gap is just a little small well it is for my thum .
I bought the lens mostly for aircraft and a little birding and im sure it will do the job nicely AF is very fast on my MK3 in fact it suprised me just how quick it was .
Iv only shot at 500mm at the moment as this should be were it would not be at it best However it is very good at 500mm f6.3 It does need a fair bit of light ( i like fast SS when hand holding )but if your happly to shoot at 400 iso and above then it will be fine in bright non sunny day's
the bottom line
Im lucky enough to be able to buy most things i want and would not be bothered if i lost money having tried something and not likeing it then selling it on at a loss .
Im keeping this lens, i like it and it fills a zoom gap (dont like the 100/400 ) its a nice range has OS fast AF and from my small tests the IQ is very good and must be close to the ef 100/400 .
1/2000sec f6.3 iso 500
Rob.

In2Photos
9th of June 2008 (Mon), 11:07
To me its quite light ( see sig ) feel's nice in the hand and easy to swing up onto a bird in flight just did that with this shot :)OS is slower to startup than IS but that should not be a problem .
The zoom ring is tight but it will ease off with use im sure.
I think its well made although im sure the felty outer surface will were off with use not that that bothers me at all.
its a shame it does not have a limit switch as it does take longer to focus if you lose the bird SO dont lose it :)
The triopd ring is nice and big enough to hold onto when carrying the len's /camera and on that plate at the back your thum almost fits in the gap between the camera and plate (ITS AT THE BACK OF THE TRIPOD PLATE ) but it feels sharp as the gap is just a little small well it is for my thum .
I bought the lens mostly for aircraft and a little birding and im sure it will do the job nicely AF is very fast on my MK3 in fact it suprised me just how quick it was .
Iv only shot at 500mm at the moment as this should be were it would not be at it best However it is very good at 500mm f6.3 It does need a fair bit of light ( i like fast SS when hand holding )but if your happly to shoot at 400 iso and above then it will be fine in bright non sunny day's
the bottom line
Im lucky enough to be able to buy most things i want and would not be bothered if i lost money having tried something and not likeing it then selling it on at a loss .
Im keeping this lens, i like it and it fills a zoom gap (dont like the 100/400 ) its a nice range has OS fast AF and from my small tests the IQ is very good and must be close to the ef 100/400 .
1/2000sec f6.3 iso 500
Rob.
Thanks for the synopsis Rob. Very helpful.

condyk
9th of June 2008 (Mon), 12:44
Very good review Rob and very decent results AFAIC. Seems a bargain.

Girish
10th of June 2008 (Tue), 12:18
I've been following this thread for quite a while now since I've ordered the 150-500 lens. I got a call this afternoon that the lens has arrived. I'll be picking it up in the next day or two.

From the images I've seen in this thread, I must say I'm quite happy with the output. Even the cropped images look impressive.

Thanks for posting the pics. I'll share my views after I pick it up and test during the weekend.

Cheers !

waple
10th of June 2008 (Tue), 14:34
I got a call this afternoon that the lens has arrived. I'll be picking it up in the next day or two.

In a day or two? I'd have been out the door the second I hung up the phone.

GyRob
10th of June 2008 (Tue), 16:01
well this is about as good as i could get out of it today at 500mm wide open - lens resting on the car roof 1dmk3 1/640 f6.3 iso 200 bird about 25ft away .
Rob.
jpeg taken from raw and pp'd

In2Photos
10th of June 2008 (Tue), 16:08
well this is about as good as i could get out of it today at 500mm wide open - lens resting on the car roof 1dmk3 1/640 f6.3 iso 200 bird about 25ft away .
Rob.
jpeg taken from raw and pp'd
Nothing wrong with that shot!

Mil
10th of June 2008 (Tue), 16:13
Quality of lens (perfomance) depend also from the camera. If you have camera with 12 mp or something like that, photos will not be so good as with camera of 6mp;)

evandavies
10th of June 2008 (Tue), 16:14
Or rather the high variation between those that know what they are doing and those that think that they know what they are doing. I am starting to think that most of the early adopters are just throwing shots up just for the sake of it. If they spent the time on the shots like they normally would I think the results would be much better.
Its true that there will be variation in the users skill that must be taken into account when viewing samples but its a fact that the quality of Sigmas can vary quite a bit between copies.

The samples shown here so far do look good. I'm looking forward to the 100-400 comparison (hint hint Lightrules)

In2Photos
10th of June 2008 (Tue), 16:16
Quality of lens (perfomance) depend also from the camera. If you have camera with 12 mp or something like that, photos will not be so good as with camera of 6mp;)
Oh yeah! :rolleyes:
Its true that there will be variation in the users skill that must be taken into account when viewing samples but its a fact that the quality of Sigmas can vary quite a bit between copies.
I know this, but so do some Canon lenses. ;)

Tony-S
10th of June 2008 (Tue), 16:45
Quality of lens (perfomance) depend also from the camera. If you have camera with 12 mp or something like that, photos will not be so good as with camera of 6mp;)

Huh?

AlexinS.A.
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 01:53
Quality of lens (perfomance) depend also from the camera. If you have camera with 12 mp or something like that, photos will not be so good as with camera of 6mp;) Sorry, you lost me here:confused:.

evandavies
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 05:41
Quality of lens (perfomance) depend also from the camera. If you have camera with 12 mp or something like that, photos will not be so good as with camera of 6mp;)

Nope.

The resolution of the camera has no relation to the quality of the lens.
It just determines the maximum resolution of the image captured from that lens.

Besides why would that be a consideration as there aren't many 6mp DSLRs being used anyway?

Rudeofus
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 06:41
What Mil meant was most likely: Lenses which were perfectly fine on our film cameras and low res digi cams, suddenly appear less than stellar on high res digi cams. The lenses didn't get any worse, of course, but we suddenly see/discover their limitations (http://luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/resolution.shtml).

@evandavies: Don't underestimate the number of perfectly happy 10D users out there.

TeamSpeed
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 08:29
Besides why would that be a consideration as there aren't any 6mp DSLRs being used anyway?

Like Rudeo said, there are many, many 300D, 10D and 1D classic users out there, from 4 to 6mp. Again, too many people fall for the high resolution hype, and if you don't crop alot/print anything larger than an 8x10, all those pixels aren't doing you much good, other than psychologically, where you know you could print a 20x30 or larger, but don't. Printing an 8x10, for example, only requires a 4mp shot.

Anyways, this is a discussion for a different post, not the Sigma archives.

_aravena
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 09:20
Looks good to me. I will definitely have to put some consideration into this or the 100-400L

evandavies
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 09:47
Like Rudeo said, there are many, many 300D, 10D and 1D classic users out there, from 4 to 6mp. Again, too many people fall for the high resolution hype, and if you don't crop alot/print anything larger than an 8x10, all those pixels aren't doing you much good, other than psychologically, where you know you could print a 20x30 or larger, but don't. Printing an 8x10, for example, only requires a 4mp shot.
Oops, I forgot they were 4-6MP :oops:
Just got to say that while MP is over-emphasized to pull in the punters it obviously does increase resolving power and allows for more image cropping.
OK, back to topic and these images look quite promising. Just waiting for the 150-500 vs 100-400 shootout (...Jojo... :D)

GyRob
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 10:24
SO i though id do another test these are jpegs from the mk3 so have a little in camera sharperning and i just did auto levels in cs3
Rob

GyRob
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 10:27
and the sig at 400 with the ef 400 f5.6
ALL shots wide open by the way and lens resting on a beam IS /OS ON
Rob.

In2Photos
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 10:31
WOW! That difference is staggering and disappointing. I knew the Sig wouldn't really "compete" with these lenses, but I thought it would at least try. I wonder what the 100-400 looks like in comparison.

GyRob
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 10:32
and this is the sigma at 500mm at its closes focusing aprox 6ft away.
Rob.
Just IGNOR THIS SHOT I MESSED IT UP

GyRob
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 10:38
WOW! That difference is staggering and disappointing. I knew the Sig wouldn't really "compete" with these lenses, but I thought it would at least try. I wonder what the 100-400 looks like in comparison.
it does not suprise me as i own the lenses and know just how good they really are BUT the Sigma for the price has a fair bit going for it in a long range zoom with OS
Birds may show up its limtations but again for the price and with good pp work it can be exseptable .
subjects with not so much fine detail will be fine through the zoom range .
Rob.

05Xrunner
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 10:39
I sure hope a $6000 lens would spank the pants of a $1000 super zoom.
for 100% crops i dont think they are that bad. especially if there is zero PP done yet

In2Photos
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 10:43
it does not suprise me as i own the lenses and know just how good they really are BUT the Sigma for the price has a fair bit going for it in a long range zoom with OS
Birds may show up its limtations but again for the price and with good pp work it can be exseptable .
subjects with not so much fine detail will be fine through the zoom range .
Rob.
Agreed.
I sure hope a $6000 lens would spank the pants of a $1000 super zoom.
for 100% crops i dont think they are that bad. especially if there is zero PP done yet
But what about the $1200 400 f/5.6? And some "PP" has been done in the form of in camera sharpening.

05Xrunner
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 10:49
But what about the $1200 400 f/5.6? And some "PP" has been done in the form of in camera sharpening.
its a $1200 prime. its only function is 400mm. doesnt have to focus on any other focal length like the zoom. they are always alot sharper.

In2Photos
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 10:55
its a $1200 prime. its only function is 400mm. doesnt have to focus on any other focal length like the zoom. they are always alot sharper.
I understand that. So why is it that the 100-400 can be on par with the 400 5.6 (sure it is more expensive)? Maybe not all copies but some. How do you think the Bigma compares? Many reports say that it is also on par with the 100-400 and 400 5.6 and it is a 10x zoom, not a 3.33x. I didn't expect prime like IQ but I also didn't expect consumer grade IQ either. I was expecting something in between but leaning towards the prime side, not the consumer zoom side.

In2Photos
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 10:59
Rob, any chance we could see some crops taken when stopped down a little?

GyRob
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 11:22
Rob, any chance we could see some crops taken when stopped down a little?
lol in a word no.
i did not do any as all will be a bit better stoped down as with any lens, these are just to show what to exspect at the wide open setting.
Rob.

In2Photos
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 11:27
lol in a word no.
i did not do any as all will be a bit better stoped down as with any lens, these are just to show what to exspect at the wide open setting.
Rob.
OK. Was just curious how much better it got at say, f/8.

AngryCorgi
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 11:27
Rob,

Could you show a 500mm/6.3 and a 500mm/8 crop (ten pound note shots), one after another, both from the sigma? The sigma 120-400 benefits tremendously from just a 1/3 stop aperture shrinkage, and I am curious if it's big brother behaves similarly.

Thanks!

In2Photos
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 11:28
Rob,

Could you show a 500mm/6.3 and a 500mm/8 crop (ten pound note shots), one after another, both from the sigma? The sigma 120-400 benefits tremendously from just a 1/3 stop aperture shrinkage, and I am curious if it's big brother behaves similarly.

Thanks!
This was basically what I was looking for as well.

AngryCorgi
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 11:29
I'm assuming GyRob still has the lens...does he?

Most of the softness wide-open that the money samples show look very similar to the "soft glow" effect of the 120-400. My tammy 70-200/2.8 does this to a lesser degree at f/2.8 and then gets almost perfect at f/3.2. With a 1.4x TC, that same 1/3 bump from f/4 to f/4.5 is night and day! I don't know why this is so much the case, but it seems to be popping up with a lot of zooms I've seen lately. A good example of how effective this bump is: my tammy was shown almost identically equal in IQ and color to a canon 70-200 2.8L IS sample at 200mm-f/2.8, and then better than the Canon with both at f/3.2. This is something that I think is worth investigating.

In2Photos
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 11:34
I'm assuming GyRob still has the lens...does he?
Yes I believe so. I think he said it was a keeper as a light 500mm to use when dragging out the 500L wasn't warranted.

Roy Webber
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 11:44
WOW! That difference is staggering and disappointing. I knew the Sig wouldn't really "compete" with these lenses, but I thought it would at least try. I wonder what the 100-400 looks like in comparison.

Yes, this comparison would interest many on this forum.

GyRob
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 11:45
give me a few mins then :)
Rob.

In2Photos
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 11:47
give me a few mins then :)
Rob.
YEAH! :)

GyRob
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 11:55
had to drop to 1/400 resting on beam OS on F8 - by the way all NOTE shots are at ISO 400 ( cloudy here )
SO there is room for more detail at a lower iso rateing. lower shot f6.3
Rob.

In2Photos
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 12:00
had to drop to 1/400 resting on beam OS on F8 - by the way all NOTE shots are at ISO 400 ( cloudy here )
SO there is room for more detail at a lower iso rateing. lower shot f6.3
Rob.
It certainly cleans up a good bit. Thanks for doing that Rob.

GyRob
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 12:08
It certainly cleans up a good bit. Thanks for doing that Rob.
no probs and yes it does clean up nice at f8 to be honest better than i thought .
Rob.

AngryCorgi
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 12:09
Yes, the increased contrast performance is very noticeable. Thanks for the extra effort!

Tony-S
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 12:14
I'm digging this lens so much I'm probably going to be selling the 100-300 f/4 when I get back from Malaysia. It has performed better than I had hoped.

LightRules
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 12:17
and this is the sigma at 500mm at its closes focusing aprox 6ft away.
Rob.

Rob, this shot looks OOF. How about using your 40D in live view, 10x zoom, and MF from the same distance (or slightly further away, to be safe). I bet you'll get a sharper capture.

LightRules
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 12:18
I'm digging this lens so much I'm probably going to be selling the 100-300 f/4 when I get back from Malaysia. It has performed better than I had hoped.

Wow. That's saying a lot, Tony. :confused:

You love that 1-3 EX...

05Xrunner
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 12:26
I understand that. So why is it that the 100-400 can be on par with the 400 5.6 (sure it is more expensive)? Maybe not all copies but some. How do you think the Bigma compares? Many reports say that it is also on par with the 100-400 and 400 5.6 and it is a 10x zoom, not a 3.33x. I didn't expect prime like IQ but I also didn't expect consumer grade IQ either. I was expecting something in between but leaning towards the prime side, not the consumer zoom side.
I am sure someone will complain I am saying this again.
I sold my Bigma for the 100-400 and my Bigma was sharper then the 100-400 I have now. I was hoping to get this 100-400 and be like wow thats great but it seems lackluster to me. the only benefit I got was the IS.

GyRob
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 12:35
Rob, this shot looks OOF. How about using your 40D in live view, 10x zoom, and MF from the same distance (or slightly further away, to be safe). I bet you'll get a sharper capture.
im sure your right, on that one it was totally hand held on 1shot so oof by me moving could easyly have happend so i think all should ignor that closeup shot
Rob

evandavies
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 12:41
Does the Sig have tripod detecting OS? (ie. turn itself off)

GyRob
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 12:44
Does the Sig have tripod detecting OS? (ie. turn itself off)
no Not to be used when on a tripod.
Rob.

_aravena
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 12:56
Does the Sig have tripod detecting OS? (ie. turn itself off)

Depends on the user. Sometimes it's built in although my stickie thread shows otherwise.

Oh, new addition, one from the sells thread.

GyRob
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 13:04
Depends on the user. Sometimes it's built in although my stickie thread shows otherwise.

Or, new addition, one from the sells thread.
i think you have misread what was been asked :)
Rob.

_aravena
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 13:05
No I didn't. I think you don't understand sarcasm. ;)

evandavies
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 13:23
Best to leave sarcasm to the English :rolleyes:

GyRob, you are probably getting sick of all the requests but would it be possible to see comparisons when on a tripod with OS off.
If you can't be bothered then don't worry, I'm sure there will be plenty of tests soon.

_aravena
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 13:25
Can't imagine it any different than the Bigma. Hand held is hand held, more or less based on the user.

Lars Leber
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 13:57
Killdeer. Took this about an hour ago ..

http://larsleber.com/boards/2008_06/IMG_6099_800.jpg

In2Photos
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 14:09
Killdeer. Took this about an hour ago ..

http://larsleber.com/boards/2008_06/IMG_6099_800.jpg

Wow that looks pretty good too. Any EXIF info?

GyRob
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 14:12
Best to leave sarcasm to the English :rolleyes:

GyRob, you are probably getting sick of all the requests but would it be possible to see comparisons when on a tripod with OS off.
If you can't be bothered then don't worry, I'm sure there will be plenty of tests soon.
if i get chance i will try tomorrow thick black cloud has rolled in
Rob.

GyRob
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 14:14
very nice Lars focul lenth - apeture- shutter speed -iso please
Rob.

Lars Leber
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 14:15
500mm; f/8; 1/1000s; ISO400 | Cropped a lot, some contrast, resized, some sharpening

condyk
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 14:15
Nice again Lars ... good that we're now getting a much more varied selection of shooters showing results. I'm starting to think this lens can now fill a clear gap: high quality 500mm with OS for a very attractive price. Be great if more folks can start shooting birdies and wildlife and getting good results without having to go out spending silly money.

In2Photos
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 14:17
500mm; f/8; 1/1000s; ISO400 | Cropped a lot, some contrast, resized, some sharpening
Thanks.
Nice again Lars ... good that we're now getting a much more varied selection of shooters showing results. I'm starting to think this lens can now fill a clear gap: high quality 500mm with OS for a very attractive price. Be great if more folks can start shooting birdies and wildlife and getting good results without having to go out spending silly money.
Yup. After seeing Rob's shots where he stopped down to f/8 and the image cleaned up rather nicely I think this will have to be on my very short list of "To Buy" items.

GyRob
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 14:18
and one i just took 500mm 1/320 f8 iso 400 hand held f8 makes quite a diffrence .
Rob

Lars Leber
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 14:19
Thanks. I can't wait to take this lens up to Rocky Mountain National Park next month. I am really happy with this purchase. :)

In2Photos
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 14:31
and one i just took 500mm 1/320 f8 iso 400 hand held f8 makes quite a diffrence .
Rob
Bokeh looks pretty good too!

condyk
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 14:52
Nice again Rob ... plenty of feather detail there. Can't complain about that at all.

farrukh
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 15:36
and one i just took 500mm 1/320 f8 iso 400 hand held f8 makes quite a diffrence .
Rob

Colors seem cool neutral for a Sigma... Did you correct the color cast in PP?

RikWriter
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 15:49
and one i just took 500mm 1/320 f8 iso 400 hand held f8 makes quite a diffrence .
Rob

Honestly, this is about the first pic I've seen from this lens that impressed me. I hope all copies of it are capable of this sort of IQ.

Neilyb
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 16:15
OK, my 150-500 appeared today, figured I would test it myself since Amazon give a nice cool off period...

First impressions, lighter than expected and not as imposing as a bigma. Nicely finished with a nice tight zoom ring. OS is a bit slow to get moving but as it is dark and raining I cant test this.

Some test shots done in the study, lots of light bulbs used but still on getting 1/50-1/80 exposure times. 10 second timer used.

Sigma at 400mm
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Compared with a friends 400 f5.6 L
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Neilyb
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 16:17
Sigma 500mm
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Like I say not the best conditions for a test, will redo at the weekend when I have more time and light. What got me at 500mm was the detail captured in the large 0 to the left.

All shot converted in DPP set to standard, white balance tungsten, no sharpening, contrast or saturation. All centre crops.

In2Photos
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 16:17
OK, my 150-500 appeared today, figured I would test it myself since Amazon give a nice cool off period...

First impressions, lighter than expected and not as imposing as a bigma. Nicely finished with a nice tight zoom ring. OS is a bit slow to get moving but as it is dark and raining I cant test this.

Some test shots done in the study, lots of light bulbs used but still on getting 1/50-1/80 exposure times. 10 second timer used.

Sigma at 400mm
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Compared with a friends 400 f5.6 L
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Looks really good!

Neilyb
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 16:20
One thing to add, the Sigma could do something my 100-400 needed 15 goes to get right under the same conditions...IT FOCUSSED, a definate bonus for me that!

GyRob
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 17:30
Colors seem cool neutral for a Sigma... Did you correct the color cast in PP?
Yes i did - and PPd it to try and bring the best out the shot after all thats what we do regardless of what we use :)
Rob.

copper
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 17:53
Mine came in today :)

Took this 30 feet away / 500mm / F8 / ISO 100 / ss- 1/125 / Tripod / cable release/ 100% crop.

I am not sure if I did the above crop right, but it sure looks good to me. took the picture zoomed in PS CS3 till it said 100% and then did a crop at 800x600.

I know I will be happy.

http://www.tomballsports.com/sigma/30feetF8100crop.jpg

Without the crop.

http://www.tomballsports.com/sigma/web/IMG_6179.jpg

here are some more. wide open and F8.. Approx 7 feet, 15 feet and 30 feet.


http://www.tomballsports.com/sigma/IMG_6168.JPG
http://www.tomballsports.com/sigma/IMG_6169.JPG
http://www.tomballsports.com/sigma/IMG_6170.JPG
http://www.tomballsports.com/sigma/IMG_6171.JPG
http://www.tomballsports.com/sigma/IMG_6172.JPG
http://www.tomballsports.com/sigma/IMG_6173.JPG
http://www.tomballsports.com/sigma/IMG_6174.JPG
http://www.tomballsports.com/sigma/IMG_6175.JPG
http://www.tomballsports.com/sigma/IMG_6176.JPG
http://www.tomballsports.com/sigma/IMG_6177.JPG
http://www.tomballsports.com/sigma/IMG_6178.JPG
http://www.tomballsports.com/sigma/IMG_6179.JPG

05Xrunner
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 20:00
looks to be a great lens for the price and features you get

evandavies
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 20:12
Wow guys, by f8 that really is looking good!!!
Only downside is living in UK I duno if we'll have enough light :rolleyes: :eek:

Hey Copper, I noticed you have the Kenko 1.4TC... Lets see a 700mm shot ;) (It'll have to be MF of course)

cicopo
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 20:36
The Coke can shots look very nice to me. If it weren't for the condensation or water droplets I think a bar code scanner could read it right from my screen.

copper
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 20:50
Hey Copper, I noticed you have the Kenko 1.4TC... Lets see a 700mm shot (It'll have to be MF of course)


Ok I tried Never really MF before... But here you go...

http://www.tomballsports.com/sigma/700mmResizedForWeb.jpg

Running out of daylight...

Will crop latter if asked...

Tony-S
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 21:39
Well, I was just going to do these when the request was made. Here's 500mm and 700mm with the Sigma 1.4x. Applied a bit of USM, otherwise full framed shots one stop down.

Tony-S
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 21:40
And 1000mm and 1400mm (which is reported as 1000mm). All four shots were with the OS on.

liquidstone
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 21:45
Looks good, Tony..... can we see some crops?

Tony-S
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 21:45
Here's the moon at 500mm and 1400mm. That's not vignetting - it's my roofline. Again, each one stop down with a bit of USM.

Tony-S
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 21:46
Looks good, Tony..... can we see some crops?

OK, in a bit. Gotta get the kids in bed right now...

liquidstone
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 21:48
OK, in a bit. Gotta get the kids in bed right now...


Lol.... what time of day is it there? It's a sunny mid-morning in Manila. :D

_aravena
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 21:50
About 10 here so...8 there I believe. Maybe 7

Tony-S
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 21:59
Lol.... what time of day is it there? It's a sunny mid-morning in Manila. :D

Just about 8 pm here. I may need a few tips on getting the moon just right. I'm going to shoot a few more after dark. Any suggestions? MLU and a couple of stops down?

Tony-S
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 22:11
100% crops of 500, 700, 1000 and 1400 mm...

Tony-S
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 22:13
Here are the 1000 and 1400 mm. Kind of ugly at 100% crop. I may have to make prints just to see how they do.

AngryCorgi
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 22:36
The 700mm looks pretty usable, no surprise with the softening effects of 2x and 2.8x. Nice lens, Tony.

liquidstone
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 22:51
Looks very good at 500 and decent at 700! Thanks, Tony.

Romy

liquidstone
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 22:54
Just about 8 pm here. I may need a few tips on getting the moon just right. I'm going to shoot a few more after dark. Any suggestions? MLU and a couple of stops down?


Perhaps a 2x TC maximum, f/16 - f/18, 1/50 slowest shutter, lowest ISO to occupy 3/4 of the histogram, MLU or Live View, plus remote switch or timer.

Romy

BigBlueDodge
11th of June 2008 (Wed), 23:17
These crops are looking great. Looks like Sigma may have a good seller on their hands.

GyRob
12th of June 2008 (Thu), 05:41
Right last note test :)
this is from about 10ft away 1dmk3 lens at 500mm mirrow lock up on a tripod self timer 1/400sec f6.3 iso 100 just in camara sharpning no pp other than resized( even better stopped down )
im amazed at just how good this lens is Yes this is ideal conditions but the point is how much detail it can show.
Rob.

05Xrunner
12th of June 2008 (Thu), 08:19
is this a 100% crop
if so that is really really good

In2Photos
12th of June 2008 (Thu), 08:24
is this a 100% crop
if so that is really really good
It does look pretty good, even better than his previous post I would say.

Man I am getting itchy about getting this but I think I would have to sell my 70-200 f/4 and some other stuff to get it. :( Unless I can get a bonus from work. :rolleyes:

Tony-S
12th of June 2008 (Thu), 08:25
Here's another of the Hamerkop (thanks for the ID, condyk) at 340mm and 1/400 @ f/9 with 100% crop.

condyk
12th of June 2008 (Thu), 08:28
Tony, t'other one was the Guinea this one is the Hamerkop ;-)

Tony-S
12th of June 2008 (Thu), 08:30
Tony, t'other one was the Guinea this one is the Hamerkop ;-)

Doh! I will fix now... (If these were viruses, I'd know what they were...)

In2Photos
12th of June 2008 (Thu), 08:32
Doh! I will fix now... (If these were viruses, I'd know what they were...)
ROFL :lol:

TeamSpeed
12th of June 2008 (Thu), 08:37
I am wary of close up zoom test shots. That is not the typical use of a megazoom like this lens. Tests of subjects 50ft or more away would be more realistic and this is usually where zoom lenses show how far off focus they are. When I take my lenses into nature or to the zoo, I am not shooting animals 10ft away (unless I have scaled the wall to get that close up of Fido the lion, in which case, I probably won't be back here to share any photos!). These closeup tests are good to show the IQ of the optics, but I am curious too as to how the lens is regarding front/back focusing.

Any chance you can set up your tripod and shoot something outside in the exact same controlled method?

GyRob
12th of June 2008 (Thu), 08:48
is this a 100% crop
if so that is really really good
yes 100% crop

GyRob
12th of June 2008 (Thu), 09:44
here we go
subject 60ft away 1dmk3 ( no micro ajustment ) lens at 500mm mirrow lockup selftimer 1/320sec f 8 and f6.3 iso 400 level's ajustment because i forgot to change the shutter speed lol OS off NO other PP.
50%crop here as it shows more, pringles 6" in front and 6" behind focus on the CU
Rob.

GyRob
12th of June 2008 (Thu), 09:45
and the full image at f8
Rob.

TeamSpeed
12th of June 2008 (Thu), 09:51
Excellent, thank you. I am looking more at the detail of the blocks and grass around the box, then the text on the box. Looks pretty good. That flower to the left makes a great subject too.

Plus, now I have a craving for chips, thanks a whole bunch!

GyRob
12th of June 2008 (Thu), 10:17
I have to say that im very happy with this lens and thanks to those asking for stopped down shots as it is something i rearlly do with my big primes Yet it shows how well the SIGGY can work by just going to F8 im use to high IQ lenses and although its not up to some of my primes it is more than exseptable for such a nice range of zoom .
Looking at some other results it hard to say if its the user or the lens after all in one of my shots it made the lens look not so good ( my fault ) but then when i did the shot again re Lightrules advice the lens showed just how good it is.
iv not had a lot of chance at BIF shots or Jets so still more test's to do, i have done a few BIF and they are promising that i can say
To me a Limit switch would have been great and worth 150 more as i will miss that feature But good use of pree focus will help in this respect.
This lens is going to be hard to beat for range and price i hope other's are as pleased as i am - with there's.
No more testing from me on static shots it does the job well :)
Rob.

AlexinS.A.
12th of June 2008 (Thu), 10:43
Got my first shot of BIF today with this lens. I am not too good this and hopefully with a bit of practice, will improve. http://inlinethumb39.webshots.com/17638/2262716820103560971S600x600Q85.jpg (http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/2262716820103560971ZWeVuc)

In2Photos
12th of June 2008 (Thu), 10:47
Got my first shot of BIF today with this lens. I am not too good this and hopefully with a bit of practice, will improve. http://inlinethumb39.webshots.com/17638/2262716820103560971S600x600Q85.jpg (http://outdoors.webshots.com/photo/2262716820103560971ZWeVuc)
The shot looks great on your site but the linked version here degrades it a bit. Not bad for someone that is "not too good at this". ;)

TeamSpeed
12th of June 2008 (Thu), 10:55
The shot looks great on your site but the linked version here degrades it a bit. Not bad for someone that is "not too good at this". ;)

Yeah no kidding... I would love to be able to track properly and get a shot like that. Unfortunately the type of birds I have available are blackbirds, cardinals, and blue jays, and those stupid things are too fast for my poor panning skills.

bob-e
12th of June 2008 (Thu), 13:24
I wish B&H would get some in stock. I'm ready to pull the triggah

05Xrunner
12th of June 2008 (Thu), 14:06
I wish B&H would get some in stock. I'm ready to pull the triggah
http://sigma4less.com/sigma-150-500mm-f5-63-dg-apo-os-optical-stabilizer-hsm-autofocus-telephoto-zoom-lens-for-canon-eos-cameras.html

in stock

Gliderparentntn
12th of June 2008 (Thu), 14:56
http://sigma4less.com/sigma-150-500mm-f5-63-dg-apo-os-optical-stabilizer-hsm-autofocus-telephoto-zoom-lens-for-canon-eos-cameras.html

in stock


yea but crap have you seen there shipping prices? They all but make up for the price on there lenses thru shipping.


Here you go you can get free shipping to boot.


http://www.amazon.com/Sigma-150-500mm-Telephoto-Digital-Cameras/dp/B001542X6E/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1213297432&sr=8-1

In2Photos
12th of June 2008 (Thu), 15:17
yea but crap have you seen there shipping prices? They all but make up for the price on there lenses thru shipping.


Here you go you can get free shipping to boot.


http://www.amazon.com/Sigma-150-500mm-Telephoto-Digital-Cameras/dp/B001542X6E/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1213297432&sr=8-1

Be careful though as some Amazon free shipping can take WEEKS! Check on that before you buy it.

05Xrunner
12th of June 2008 (Thu), 15:31
yea but crap have you seen there shipping prices? They all but make up for the price on there lenses thru shipping.


Here you go you can get free shipping to boot.


http://www.amazon.com/Sigma-150-500mm-Telephoto-Digital-Cameras/dp/B001542X6E/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1213297432&sr=8-1
still cost less then B&H before shipping

GyRob
12th of June 2008 (Thu), 15:34
The sun came out :D so had chance to stand in the garden and try it on inflight's Not the best IQ here 500iso quite a big crop to so noiseware used .
it was quite good at keeping focus not a 500f4isL but it can get them :)
1dmk3 lens at 500mm 1/1250 f8 .
Rob.

bagtagsell
13th of June 2008 (Fri), 01:04
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3088/2574947516_da17f2ae0a_b.jpg

Neilyb
13th of June 2008 (Fri), 03:02
You do realise that 1 day after my cooling off period Canon will release a 200-500 5.6 L IS...... :)

Neilyb
13th of June 2008 (Fri), 04:33
Over the weekend I will test the Siggy against the 70-300IS with TC, this combination beat the Tokina 80-400 for sharpness so we will see how it fares. I need to re-do the 400 L shots too, don't understand they are so soft.

evandavies
13th of June 2008 (Fri), 06:10
bagtagsell, your moon looks good but can you post a larger 100% crop. Stamp sized images don't really show much.


You do realise that 1 day after my cooling off period Canon will release a 200-500 5.6 L IS...... :)
I wouldn't care because it would certainly be out of my price range so I'd still get the Sigy ;)

TeamSpeed
13th of June 2008 (Fri), 06:22
Hmmm, for $915, I might have to try this out at this point....

egordon99
13th of June 2008 (Fri), 08:16
How's the weight handholding? I ended up getting the 100-400mm L, and it gets heavy on my arm holding it up for any length of time. The 150-500 is ~1 pound more, right?

05Xrunner
13th of June 2008 (Fri), 08:18
How's the weight handholding? I ended up getting the 100-400mm L, and it gets heavy on my arm holding it up for any length of time. The 150-500 is ~1 pound more, right?
you know whats funny. I use to have the bigma..same weight as the 150-500. I actually find the 100-400 seems to feel heavier using then my bigma because when you zoom you are stretching your arm out further and loose some stability it seems and support compared to when I held my bigma i wouldnt have to extend my arm further and felt like I had more stability and didnt feel like it was as much strain.

egordon99
13th of June 2008 (Fri), 08:21
yeah, @100mm it's not too bad, but extending it out to 400 gets tough. I haven't had a chance to give the 100-400 a true workout in the field (it's been sitting in my backpack for almost two weeks :( ) due to some hot weather and just being busy. I'm going to try to go out tommorow to a little farm which has goats/chickens/donkeys/foxes/etc... and give it a whirl (maybe I'll see a duck)

The 150-500 shots do look pretty good!

Tony-S
13th of June 2008 (Fri), 08:27
I'm going to try to go out tommorow to a little farm which has goats/chickens/donkeys/foxes/etc... and give it a whirl (maybe I'll see a duck)

I assume you mean good looking women? :)