Ferrari from Montreal F1 Grand Prix

[Bluemax]

C&C
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/Bluemax43/IMG_0058.jpg

[jimken61]

It looks like its parked on the track...maybe a slower shutter speed to give it a sense of speed and action. Just my opinion.
Jim

[Bluemax]

lol thanks but that's because it is in the hairpin so they are going quite slowly there

[NAiL05]

Nice picture. Thats like a 1st gear hairpin as I recall. Too bad I am gonna miss the race but it was fun watching the qualifying on tv.

[Nzshrimper]

lol thanks but that's because it is in the hairpin so they are going quite slowly there


even if its a hairpin it still looks parked - get a faster shutter spped to impart some movement on to the wheels.

i would also say watch your sharpening in photoshot - this shot is over sharpened...

exif data

rebel xti
200mm
f5.6
1/2000
ISO 400


you need to aiming for

200mm
f11 - 14 (ish)
1/250
ISO 100 (as it look reasonable light however use the ISO to get a good exposure)


1/2000 is far to short to take shots of race cars as it will just freeze the action...

[13inches]

i would also say watch your sharpening in photoshot - this shot is over sharpened...

Can you comment on this little more? I received the same comment from a friend about some of my shots, and it seems he was right, but I'm still not sure what visual clues he was looking at to determine that I had sharpened too much.

Thanks!

[Nzshrimper]

Can you comment on this little more? I received the same comment from a friend about some of my shots, and it seems he was right, but I'm still not sure what visual clues he was looking at to determine that I had sharpened too much.

Thanks!

post a before and after of a shot that you have in mind... (best to start a new thread for it thou) and pm a link to it.. and i will try an help...

this shot is over sharpen due the fact the color has bled esp on the air intake (the red and white covering) it appears pixalted.

also look at the track behind the car - the marbles appear very sharp and jagged... as does the grass and in fact the car.

[andrewmr]

lol thanks but that's because it is in the hairpin so they are going quite slowly there

You asked for comments and when you get one you make excusses....

I don't care if it is the slowest part of the track, use a slower shutter speed to allow for some motion in the wheels and background.

[Bluemax]

no that is what I want thanks I will giving it a try today
it wasn't really an excuse is was just an explanation of the situation as I assume that what I should be doing at 300 km/h is not the same as what I should be doing at 40
thanks

[Lowner]

Andrewmr,

I imagine he wanted constructive critisism, not the "I'm right all the time and don't dare to disagree" remark you made.

Keep it calm and you will make your point far better. Maybe you are right, I've not looked at the image at pixel level, but keep it positive and constructive.

To often posts on this site go for the gugular. Why that should be I don't know. None of us were born knowing everything, even if some on this site try to pretend they were.

Richard.

[Bluemax]

even if its a hairpin it still looks parked - get a faster shutter spped to impart some movement on to the wheels.

i would also say watch your sharpening in photoshot - this shot is over sharpened...

exif data

rebel xti
200mm
f5.6
1/2000
ISO 400


you need to aiming for

200mm
f11 - 14 (ish)
1/250
ISO 100 (as it look reasonable light however use the ISO to get a good exposure)


1/2000 is far to short to take shots of race cars as it will just freeze the action...

Ok gave it a shot today and I like the images which came out however, I found that it was much harder to get properly focused images with this setup. Is there anything you may think of that I was doing wrong. I should be getting an IS lens which will obviously help but other than that?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/Bluemax43/IMG_0386.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/Bluemax43/IMG_0248.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/Bluemax43/IMG_0396.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/Bluemax43/IMG_0398.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/Bluemax43/IMG_0496-1.jpg

[jasonp80]

Much improved over your first shot, can see motion in the wheels.

Would say you need to decrease the shutter speed and pan with the subject, this helps seperate the subject from the background.

[Strick]

Ok gave it a shot today and I like the images which came out however, I found that it was much harder to get properly focused images with this setup. Is there anything you may think of that I was doing wrong. I should be getting an IS lens which will obviously help but other than that?


What AF mode are you using? If you get a chance to shoot racing again try using servo mode if you were not doing so. Getting good panning shotsw to show motion of the vehicle and get them to be tack sharp takes some practice. 1/320 is still a little quick espcially in a slow corner since the cars are not moving real fast so you don't get that real good background blur, that and the cars running the wheel shrouds makes it shutter speed more important . With bikes I am down at 1/250 or a little slower.

The shots are not to bad though, I would like to get a chance to shoot F1.

[Visual Bride]

Hi guys,

I don't normally comment in this area, as I am not experienced with motor photography.
But on my 70-200 lens I have 2 modes on the lens for focusing. My understanding was that one was for panning shots.

Also are you panning with the car as it moves? The settings above should work IMO if you pan with the car and shoot. AF in AI servo.

I may be totally off track here...

[Nzshrimper]

Ok gave it a shot today and I like the images which came out however, I found that it was much harder to get properly focused images with this setup. Is there anything you may think of that I was doing wrong. I should be getting an IS lens which will obviously help but other than that?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/Bluemax43/IMG_0386.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/Bluemax43/IMG_0248.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/Bluemax43/IMG_0396.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/Bluemax43/IMG_0398.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/Bluemax43/IMG_0496-1.jpg

much better,,,,,did you have the camera set on AI servo and multi shot. also select the center focus button... i also find that using the rear focus setup on my unit helps (but i am unsure weather you can do that on your camera.)

but overall those are 200% better well done...

[Bluemax]

Great thank you
yes I was on AI servo multi shot but i was not on center focus and that is probably why some of them were not focused right
also what is rear focus setup???

[andrewmr]

Andrewmr,

I imagine he wanted constructive critisism, not the "I'm right all the time and don't dare to disagree" remark you made.

Keep it calm and you will make your point far better. Maybe you are right, I've not looked at the image at pixel level, but keep it positive and constructive.

To often posts on this site go for the gugular. Why that should be I don't know. None of us were born knowing everything, even if some on this site try to pretend they were.

Richard.


Richard,



I wasn't offering any input as to what to do differently (that was another poster), I was just commenting that he should listen to what people offer and not make excuses. So.... I guess I need to pay attention to my "tone" in my replies as well. Thanks....



OP,

It appears you are shooting in the 1/250 range (looking at the exif data) which is a little too high and you are using manual for the exposure. May I suggest you put the camera in TV and let the camera select the correct exposure. Select something around 1/100 for reasonable speeds and you can go higher (1/200) with much faster subjects. And then slower (1/60) for slower sections (like the hairpin).


Go out and shoot a series of shots and document what you are doing. And then try doing something a little different and then document what that did. You'll be able to then see what works and what doesn't. Only make one change though. If you're going out to work on panning then work only on that, not a bunch of things at once as that can really mess you up.


BTW, this is not as easy as it looks. But with practice most everyone can do master it. At least I hope I can:o

[Claudalfa]

Bluemax
You must have been sitting beside me as I was in 24 -5-J-11 all weekend
I know speed rendition is hard to get at the hairpin
I will check out all 2000 shots I took during the weekend to see if any speed is showing at the hairpin
The other thing happening this weekend was light changing ( not in the pits) but going from cloudy, sunny and stormy like skies,

Good job

[Bluemax]

thanks for all the help
I know I had difficulty with light changes and had to change some of the settings
I was sitting in stand 24 section 9 o seat 12 and 13 so we were not very far haha

[jayhova]

Others have some good tips here but additionally were you using a monopod? This can help get sharper pictures with slower shutter speeds (Even with IS). Last year I shot with a non-IS lens but had a monopod and had some luck at the Senna corner (end of the main straight). I ended up NOT using AI servo but did set it to center focus point.

Also I changed shutter speeds constantly and just took a ton of shots. I would then quickly review them on the laptop in the hotel and get a better idea for the next day. I know not everyone has this option unless you are there for the whole weekend. Keep at it!

[Bluemax]

Yes I was there for the whole week-end and that is pretty much what I was doing
I was thinking about a monopod and so I will be sure to bring one next time and put it at center focus
thanks for the tips

[Britman]

Bluemax, the second bunch of shots are much better with nice motion blurring of the wheels. Like has been suggested, go out and practice, a local karting circuit is ideal.
One tip, that I got from a pro tog, is to tilt your camera so the car or bike is at a slight angle, going upwards, emphasizing speed and motion.
This really cuts down on post cropping.

this shot of mine is 'as shot' but I took 40+ frames to get this one picture.
http://markboadey.co.uk/images/bsb/bsb-06.jpg

[jayhova]

Here's one I was able to get of Masa from last year.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1029/578583606_e165cba3c3_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/j-c/578583606/in/set-72157600415061786/)

Exposure: 0.003 sec (1/320)
Aperture: f/9
Focal Length: 200 mm (actually around 280mm probably with my 1.4x TC)
ISO Speed: 200

[Bluemax]

wow that is unbelievable
I wish I was able to get something like that
any pp on that image

[jayhova]

wow that is unbelievable
I wish I was able to get something like that
any pp on that image

Thanks! Just some contrast boost and a little crop and tilt post proc as Britman suggests to add a little drama to shot. I don't think I sharpened this one much if at all.

[Bluemax]

My father in law gets my tickets to the grand prix in montreal and he told me next year he would try to get me a photographers pass which would let me get some better angles for the shots and most likely better shots. I'm hopeing he can pull through with those passes

[jayhova]

JEALOUS!!! If not try to get seats at the Senna Corner like I did. There are a few good spots there where I got my shots from. Particularly up on a hill just below the bleachers facing down the straight. You can shoot right over the fence.

[Nzshrimper]

My father in law gets my tickets to the grand prix in montreal and he told me next year he would try to get me a photographers pass which would let me get some better angles for the shots and most likely better shots. I'm hopeing he can pull through with those passes

good luck with that..... a photogs pass for f1 is rarer than rocking horse shyte. There is a very strict and stringent application process and even then its not a fore gone conclusion.

believe me we know how hard it is and what the process is to get one......