Will this be our last Boxing Day Hunt in the UK ?

[neil_r]

This is the Atherstone Hunt getting ready do depart from Market Bosworth in Leicestershire. The recent government legislation will make hunting with dogs illegal throughout the United Kingdom. The law should come into effect on February 18th, however this will be delayed to allow for appeal.


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To see the rest click here:-
http://www.neil-rice.com/gallery/list.php?exhibition=41 (http://www.neil-rice.com/gallery/list.php?exhibition=41)

[OneManArmy]

Oh geez! I love that second shot!!

[peter/c]

Our town banned the boxing day hunt from meeting in town center years ago now, otherwise I could have been inspired by Youe excellent shots.
Peter.

[Jonny]

Nice photos but i can't say that i will be sad to see this tradition banished to history where it belongs.

Number to is great.

[stoneylonesome]

Lovely shots, Like them all. :)

[eric1]

Oh geez! I love that second shot!!
so old world, and proper looking. timeless. really fine shot Neil.

[lomond]

Won't get into the politics of hunting, however really, really great shots.
No 2 is sensational. As for 3 & 4, drunk in charge of a horse ? -12 month ban.

Cameron

[colliewalker1]

[QUOTE=Jonny Skyman]Nice photos but i can't say that i will be sad to see this tradition banished to history where it belongs.

I agree TOTALLY - what a bunch of bloodthirsty countryside hooligans - whatever primitive motives make them indulge in killing for fun - they DISGUST me.

[neil_r]

I agree TOTALLY - what a bunch of bloodthirsty countryside hooligans - whatever primitive motives make them indulge in killing for fun - they DISGUST me.
:D :D Come on, don't sit on the fence, tell us what you really think! :D :D

Now about the pictures .................... ?

Happy New Year

N

[Belmondo]

[QUOTE=Jonny Skyman]Nice photos but i can't say that i will be sad to see this tradition banished to history where it belongs.

I agree TOTALLY - what a bunch of bloodthirsty countryside hooligans - whatever primitive motives make them indulge in killing for fun - they DISGUST me.
Why don't you say what you really think?:lol:

There are many barbaric activities that have survived through the centuries, and they are gradually fading away mainly due to irrelevance. One that survives and really bothers me is bullfighting. Another is dog fighting. I'm sure the typical participant in a fox hunt really doesn't consider the poor fox. It's the glorious tradition of dashing around through the countrysides yelling 'Tally ho,' or whatever it is they do.

Great pictures. There are so many paradoxes in them. Nos. 2 & 4 really stand out for me.

[colliewalker1]

:D :D Come on, don't sit on the fence, tell us what you really think! :D :D

Now about the pictures .................... ?

Happy New Year

NHi Neil -

Sorry I omitted to comment on the pictures while carried away by my strong felings on the subject :mad: - they are EXCELLENT!

Denis

[MilesG]

now for the pictures i think they are good

but as for fox hunting i totaly disagree with it, its so cruel and it should be banned

[chris.bailey]

Nice photos.

A shame to see that the anti hunt brigade use this forum to SHOUT their ill informed messages.

[Jonny]

Nice photos.

A shame to see that the anti hunt brigade use this forum to SHOUT their ill informed messages.

Ill informed??

Regardless of how you get there or your reasons for it, the end result is a dead animal A animal that was killed for tradition or sport.

If an animal does not die or hunting is not for sport or tradition then please correct me.

[chris.bailey]

Ill informed??

Regardless of how you get there or your reasons for it, the end result is a dead animal A animal that was killed for tradition or sport.

If an animal does not die or hunting is not for sport or tradition then please correct me.

This isnt the place for such an argument, either way. As I said nice photos.

[Belmondo]

This isnt the place for such an argument, either way. As I said nice photos. Agreed. I'm afraid I didn't set a very good example myself earlier in this thread, but the thing we have to keep in mind is that we all have opinions about such things, and there really isn't any harm in expressing them. On the other hand, we have to respect each other's right to do the same thing without attacking them for expressing their own beliefs. There is no benefit in trying to engage them in debate. We all believe what we believe, and if nothing else, have learned through experience that in such discussions, no minds will ever be changed.

Again, these are nice shots. Let's confine our discussion to them.

Thanks, everyone. My apologies to the originator of this thread.


Tom

[RichardtheSane]

Very nice shots, you really captured the essence of the moment.

My heart goes out to the hounds, they are the party that suffer the most as a result of hunting. The first shot really shows their expressions well.

[neil_r]

. My apologies to the originator of this thread.

Tom
Not required, but gratefully received. :o



I deliberately stayed totally neutral in my comments as I know from the debate that has been raging in the UK for the past few years that there is no argument, on either side, that will sway opinion or make anyone change their views.



Interestingly, this hunt never took place as the ground was too hard, so after a swift canter around the village, they all went home.



Pip pip



N

[colliewalker1]

Nice photos.

A shame to see that the anti hunt brigade use this forum to SHOUT their ill informed messages.

Perhaps you will let us have a WELL INFORMED message as regards the morality of inflicting cruelty for pleasure.

[Belmondo]

Perhaps you will let us have a WELL INFORMED message as regards the morality of inflicting cruelty for pleasure.
This is bordering on personal attack and does not warrant a response. Come on, folks.

[tommykjensen]

Perhaps this thread should be split.

One with the photos and comments to those.

And one for discussion about the subject itself.

[scottbergerphoto]

Congratulations on a set of pictures that evoked such strong emotional reactions from the viewers. That's what a photographer wants isn't it? Without saying a word or taking a position you created a debate. These pictures can be viewed as a celebration of an old tradition, or the documentation of a sort of arrogance and cruelty draped in the trimmings of wealth and privelige.
I believe it would be a mistake to split off the comments from the pictures as some have suggested. This is the essence of photography.
Hats off to you!
Scott

[MilesG]

Nice photos.

A shame to see that the anti hunt brigade use this forum to SHOUT their ill informed messages.

it goes both ways mate, all of the anti hunt people on here might be thinking a shame that all the for hunt people use this to spread there cruel messages????

we all have opinions and have the right to say it

[chris.bailey]

Perhaps you will let us have a WELL INFORMED message as regards the morality of inflicting cruelty for pleasure.

To avoid spoiling this post further I have done so in general chat.

[MilesG]

what do you mean?

[tommykjensen]

what do you mean?

I think he means that this forum where these photos are posted is meant for sharing not discussing touchy subjects - thats why I suggested the thread is split and the discussion moved to general chat. This is something that has been done previously when the discussion got heated.

[Ballen Photo]

Neil, These are all very good. I especially like #1 for showing the excitement of the dogs, horses, and riders as a unit.

I liked #2 for showing the traditional "side saddle" riding position, as well as riding apparel for the woman. You just dont see this very often anymore.
Thanks for sharing these wonderful photos.:)
-Bruce

[Meerkat17]

Congratulations on a set of pictures that evoked such strong emotional reactions from the viewers. That's what a photographer wants isn't it? Without saying a word or taking a position you created a debate. These pictures can be viewed as a celebration of an old tradition, or the documentation of a sort of arrogance and cruelty draped in the trimmings of wealth and privelige.
I believe it would be a mistake to split off the comments from the pictures as some have suggested. This is the essence of photography.
Hats off to you!
Scott
Scott, you hit the nail right on it's head, if you look at the history of Photography you will find the same sort of comments about Nude Photography, Photography verses Art, etc etc.

Neil, as for the shots they are great, you have captured the moment be it for (as Scott states) celebration or documentation. Well done on the idea and you're creative ability.

Cheers David

[marie]

absolutely great shots Neil.

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no one could mistake the very real english feel to the pictures

love the tailored classic look

hate what happens
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but love the whole set up

it's not for me

but I can understand all the anger.... on both sides

what a shame that they can't just get an electrical fox
or one with a long life battery http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/santa/icon_confused.gif

:lol:

I can loan them Foxy
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she would outrun the hounds any day

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our car hit a hound (by mistake http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/santa/icon_lol.gif ) one day years back
it was when passing hundreds of them trotting alongside the horses and riders on the *main road near here
(* main at the time)
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far as I remember

I wasn't driving

it could have been a bad accident




but grrreat shots .
thanks

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[OneManArmy]

Why do you keep calling it "Boxing" every time I see that i think it's real boxing and click on the link.

[marie]

http://www.pch.gc.ca/progs/cpsc-ccsp/jfa-ha/boxing_e.cfm




we call it St. Stephens' day in Ireland OneManArmy

and my parents (long dead r.i.p.)wedding anniversary:lol:

:) nothing else

'boxing' is when an argument starts on the forum.

Neil foresaw it coming:lol: :lol: when he added the title:lol: :lol:


(see url above
it explains some of 'boxing' in this instance);)

[stoneylonesome]

http://www.pch.gc.ca/progs/cpsc-ccsp/jfa-ha/boxing_e.cfm




we call it St. Stephens' day in Ireland OneManArmy

and my parents (long dead r.i.p.)wedding anniversary:lol:

:) nothing else

'boxing' is when an argument starts on the forum.

Neil foresaw it coming:lol: :lol: when he added the title:lol: :lol:


(see url above
it explains some of 'boxing' in this instant);)

Here in the States we call it the "FRANTIC return of unwanted, wrong size Christmas present day" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: hence you BOX em up and bring them back to the store. :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

[marie]

Here in the States we call it the "FRANTIC return of unwanted, wrong size Christmas present day" http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/santa/icon_lol.gif http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/santa/icon_lol.gif http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/santa/icon_lol.gif http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/santa/icon_lol.gif hence you BOX em up and bring them back to the store. http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/santa/icon_mrgreen.gif http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/santa/icon_mrgreen.gif http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/santa/icon_mrgreen.gif

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[neil_r]

Why do you keep calling it "Boxing" every time I see that i think it's real boxing and click on the link.
I take no credit for the following information, but here goes:-

Boxing Day originated in England in the middle of the nineteenth century under Queen Victoria. December 26th, or Boxing Day is a holiday celebrated in Britain, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and other Commonwealth countries. It is spent with family and friends at open gatherings with lots of food, fun, friendship and love. Boxing Day is so called because it was the custom on that day for tradesmen to collect their Christmas boxes or gifts in return for good and reliable service throughout the year. Boxing Day is also St. Stephen's Day. St Stephen was a little known saint who achieved eternal fame by being the first Christian to be martyred for his faith by being stoned to death shortly after Christ's crucifixion.

The traditional celebration of Boxing Day included giving money and other gifts to charitable institutions, needy individuals, and people in service jobs. The holiday may date from the Middle Ages (A.D. 400's--1500's), but the exact origin is unknown. It may have begun with the lords and ladies of England, who presented Christmas gifts in boxes to their servants on December 26. Or it may have begun with priests, who opened the church's alms (charity) boxes on the day after Christmas and distributed the contents to the poor.

Some say the tradition stems from Roman times when money to pay for athletic games was collected in boxes. Amongst the ruins of Pompeii, boxes made out of earthenware with slits in the top full of coins have been found. Later the Romans brought the idea of collecting boxes to Britain, and monks and clergy soon used similar boxes to collect money for the poor at Christmas. On the day after Christmas, the priests used to open the boxes and distribute the contents to the poor of the village. Thus this day came to be called Boxing Day.

While government buildings and small businesses are closed, the malls are filled with people either exchanging gifts or buying reduced priced Christmas gifts, cards, and decorations. Christmas Eve, Christmas Day and Boxing day is classed as the Christmas Season with Boxing day falling on the following Monday if December 26th falls on a Saturday or Sunday.


Hope this helps :D

N

[Belmondo]

Neil:
Thanks for that. I guess I had a pretty good idea of what it's about, but knew nothing of the history.
Tom

[stoneylonesome]

Thanks Marie and Neil for the history lesson on boxing day, Course it is close to what I said where here in the States we box up the unwanted presents and bring them back to the store. To hear them cry and moan about how they had terrible sales you'd think they are the poor in this country. :lol: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[marie]

Thanks Marie and Neil for the history lesson on boxing day, Course it is close to what I said where here in the States we box up the unwanted presents and bring them back to the store. To hear them cry and moan about how they had terrible sales you'd think they are the poor in this country. http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/santa/icon_lol.gif http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/santa/icon_rolleyes.gif http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/santa/icon_rolleyes.gif http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/santa/icon_lol.gif http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/santa/icon_lol.gif http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/santa/icon_lol.gif
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hope you kept some presents Sandyhttp://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/santa/icon_wink.gif http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/santa/icon_wink.gif http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/santa/icon_wink.gif


:lol:

:mad: who said you were a stingy american ?:mad: :lol::lol:

[stoneylonesome]

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hope you kept some presents Sandyhttp://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/santa/icon_wink.gif http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/santa/icon_wink.gif http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/santa/icon_wink.gif


:lol:

:mad: who said you were a stingy american ?:mad: :lol::lol:

I kept them all, I very seldom ever bring anything back. I'm happy that anyone would give anything :lol: :lol:

[cgratti]

I agree TOTALLY - what a bunch of bloodthirsty countryside hooligans - whatever primitive motives make them indulge in killing for fun - they DISGUST me.

Don't sugarcoat it. Give it to us straight.

[EnglishBob]

Great pictures and as other have send, number 2 is simply outstanding.