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timmyquest
28th of December 2004 (Tue), 22:56
I first came across the idea to buy one of these puppies after watching a clip from sportsshooter.com about painting light on your subject’s (http://www.sportsshooter.com/special_feature/2003_luau_video/lightpainting/index.html). I never got to buying one though until I was doing some Christmas shopping with my girlfriend at Home Depot (it was actually a Manards but I don’t think that’s a national chain...so we'll call it Home Depot :D ). I was getting bored with my girlfriends shopping and something big caught my eye. A 2,000,000 candle power spot light. What more? It was only $20.

I bought it for the sheer coolness factor alone. After a few weeks of shining it in peoples faces, using it to warm my fingers up on cold nights while browsing POTN, and chasing animals away at night, I finally got the bright idea (that’s a pun) to get around and apply it to photography.

First I found a translucent (non-dyed) plastic lid to a container in my kitchen. I though "ahh, this is perfect" as it was about as clear as an omni-bounce and nearly exactly the same size as the light its self. Unfortunately though it didn’t soften the light for the same reason an omni bounce really doesn’t. The size of the light source was still the same.

Tonight though, I had an epiphany. Mpix.com sends their prints wrapped in a piece of cardboard which is placed inside a wax paper bag. I decided to give the wax paper bag a try, and to my surprise I found it did exactly what I needed.

Because it is a bag, it kind of opens up thus becoming larger. Because of the wax it spreads the light throughout the entire bag which because of the red text gives you a nice powerful light source that has been softened.

For $20 and some wax paper I’ve gotten a huge light and a home made soft box.

I'll let the photos speak for themselves (not really, I’ll explain a little)


This is the light
http://www.questphotos.com/cheaplight/thelight.jpg

This is the rig
http://www.questphotos.com/cheaplight/thetrick.jpg

This is the effect
http://www.questphotos.com/cheaplight/theeffect.jpg

Here are a few showing it in use (this was just a quick thing as the batteries in the light were dieing, it has a recharge. inside, and i also need to go get one or two more so i dont get the shadows)

Light alone
http://www.questphotos.com/cheaplight/1.jpg

Light with fill flash (notice the colors on her left side, these are from the flash. I guess you'd never be able to tell as the WB would adjust to the different colors, but...for what it's worth right?
http://www.questphotos.com/cheaplight/2.jpg

Another, the light a little closer
http://www.questphotos.com/cheaplight/3.jpg

This is without the paper.
http://www.questphotos.com/cheaplight/withoutit.jpg

planesh00ter
28th of December 2004 (Tue), 23:10
The video was berry cool, are there more clips like this?
thanks

eric1
28th of December 2004 (Tue), 23:27
i've been thinking about the same thing. menards you say? $20? worth a shot (pun intended). so the paper doesn't get to hot?

timmyquest
28th of December 2004 (Tue), 23:32
i've been thinking about the same thing. menards you say? $20? worth a shot (pun intended). so the paper doesn't get to hot?

The light isnt ever hot, it's just refreshingly warm :D

...no it doesnt ;-)

IndyJeff
28th of December 2004 (Tue), 23:39
[english accent] BRILLIANT [/english accent]

Wazza
28th of December 2004 (Tue), 23:40
Good idea, and you could change the paper from any sort, baking paper, 80gsm paper, maybe even use some cool plastic colour covers. ;)

The last one is pretty intense.

timmyquest
28th of December 2004 (Tue), 23:45
Good idea, and you could change the paper from any sort, baking paper, 80gsm paper, maybe even use some cool plastic colour covers. ;)

The last one is pretty intense.


Thats 2,000,000 candle power of pure, un-difused light baby!

cmM
29th of December 2004 (Wed), 00:33
That's cool.

-Make a shoot-through diffuser from PVC piping and some white fabric, and place the light a little further from it to soften the light more. Then get one of those reflective windshield thingies for protecting the dashboard to use as a reflector.

Your girlfriend has nice eyes, you should take some closer shots of her eyes/face.

timmyquest
29th of December 2004 (Wed), 01:32
Your girlfriend has nice eyes, you should take some closer shots of her eyes/face.

it's been done
http://mishami.image.pbase.com/u32/timmyquest/upload/37642314.meghanclose.jpg

Doesnt have those cute little wrinkles though :-)

cmM
29th of December 2004 (Wed), 07:40
"Forbidden" :D

mr.photoguy
29th of December 2004 (Wed), 08:23
2 of those lights in a Square custom soft box set up would work,


or you can use the 1 light.
Then get a cardboard box, but out one end of it, like the whole inside with poaster board paper, and diffused light white paper on the open end, then have some sort of a rig to keep the box on the light. Maybe cut to fit.
(Custom paper box soft box ... yerrrrr) .

then try the soft box like dead center shining at her and see how the shadows look.
You may have to play with the design, as I am brainstorming it.

timmyquest
29th of December 2004 (Wed), 08:59
"Forbidden" :D

Sheesh, me too, how do i turn that sheet off? I'm still getting use to pbase

JAZZ D.P.G.
29th of December 2004 (Wed), 09:02
Let's see: good candle power with low heat and looking to use as a softbox.

Reflected in a white or silver umbrella with a difuser in front of the umbrella. Spread the light more and take off the edge? Little more expensive than $20 and wax paper, but still less expensive than a full BEE set.

Great tutorial going here, TQ. I've been reading like mad on lighting these days to figure out what I can use.

timmyquest
29th of December 2004 (Wed), 09:04
Yeah, you could use umbrellas, but if you want to be a real cheapskate just go the wax paper route ;-)

(i'm gonna see if my boss has any umbrellas laying 'round he'd sell me)

mr.photoguy
29th of December 2004 (Wed), 09:06
Is it this one ...
http://www.pbase.com/timmyquest/image/37642314.jpg

you have to copy the link in the browser and then add .jpg to the end of it.

JAZZ D.P.G.
29th of December 2004 (Wed), 09:08
As well, looking at the photos.

I like the skin tones on the first light alone, seems more natural than fill flash or closer pictures.

timmyquest
29th of December 2004 (Wed), 09:08
Heya thanks guy ;-)

mr.photoguy
29th of December 2004 (Wed), 09:10
no problem. I will change it back to a hyper link so you can post it..

ejwebb
29th of December 2004 (Wed), 13:33
Anyone know how the light output from this would compare to halogen worklights?

I have two separate worklight stands that each have 2 - 500 watt halogen lamps. I created softboxes by making screens with white sheets and pvc and my limited experiments went pretty well. I find that the lights have to be pretty close to the subject, though, to get good shutter speeds - and they do get hot. In addition, the sheet is not high thread count and I still got hot spots on the subject. I was able to correct the WB but plan to try setting a custom balance now that I got a grey/white card for Christmas.

This 2 million candle power light might be a more flexible option if the light output is comparable to the halaogen lamps. Thanks for any feedback.

timmyquest
29th of December 2004 (Wed), 14:20
Anyone know how the light output from this would compare to halogen worklights?


This 2 million candle power light might be a more flexible option if the light output is comparable to the halaogen lamps. Thanks for any feedback.

Well, for what it's worth, i'm pretty sure these lights use halogen bulbs as well. At least it looks like it may be, i coudl very well be wrong.

As for the work lights, they get very very hot! Thats why' i've stopped using them.

OviV
29th of December 2004 (Wed), 14:55
Try a white pillow case for defusing the light. I tried it on one of my strobes and I liked the way it worked.

IndyJeff
29th of December 2004 (Wed), 15:06
TQ Menards is a multi state chain. Owned by John Menard out of Wisconsin also of Team Menard fame in the IRL.

Now back on topic.....does the light have a clamp or something or do you need some poor sap to stand there and hold it for you?

Belmondo
29th of December 2004 (Wed), 15:09
TQ Menards is a multi state chain. Owned by John Menard out of Wisconsin also of Team Menard fame in the IRL.

Now back on topic.....does the light have a clamp or something or do you need some poor sap to stand there and hold it for you?
Now I've learned something useful.....

I'm from Wisconsin, too. (Looooooong time ago)

PhotosGuy
29th of December 2004 (Wed), 21:29
Engineers use a thin, translucent plastic for some ink drawings & it makes a pretty good diffuser if you can find some. Fabric softener sheets work OK for on-cam strobes & small area diffusion.

Vega$50
29th of December 2004 (Wed), 22:16
Well first of all...that technique in the link.....damn!...I have seen some of those pictures before, now I am going to have to try it.....As far as the idea to use these as studio lights....What a great idea.....I have to go to Home Depot tommorow....Thanks!

IndyJeff
29th of December 2004 (Wed), 23:13
Now I've learned something useful.....

I'm from Wisconsin, too. (Looooooong time ago)


Somehow I can picture you with a Cheese hat on too Tom
LOL

JX
30th of December 2004 (Thu), 15:37
Timmy,

I have been meaning to pick up one of these lights. Do you have any more photos you can post. I would be curious to see what they look like.

Jim

timmyquest
30th of December 2004 (Thu), 21:29
Timmy,

I have been meaning to pick up one of these lights. Do you have any more photos you can post. I would be curious to see what they look like.

Jim


I havnt had the chance, but you can bet your bottom dollar that i'llg et around to it ;-)