Nikon D700 rumors / hoax surface

[Kadath]

Looks hoaxy to me, but if true would get me off the 5Dmk2 waiting bandwagon and would pair nicely with the D300 I'm toting in addition to my 20D...

http://www.dphotojournal.com/nikon-d700-rumor/
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1039&message=28320114
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=28323310
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/657828

Sam

[bmwm3csl]

What do you mean hoaxy...

I already have one. My biggest problem now is deciding which camera to use each day.

Let me see... should I use my 5Dmk II, 3D, 7D, or my D700? Ah, life is good!!!!

[RX350]

so , they finally made 12mp FF camera ? :cool: cooool....

[dithiolium]

Canon announced a similar camera too ..... 3 years ago, was called the 5D.

[davidfig]

Canon announced a similar camera too ..... 3 years ago, was called the 5D.

Actually no. This is 5fps. D300 AF etc. It this comes out before canon does something, I expect more Canon shooters to jump ship.

[AdamJL]

5 new items from Nikon apparently on July 1.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=28334834

They aren't slowing down, that's for sure. Good on them. The 5D II needs to be GOOOD. Just hitting the mark isn't enough for Canon now.

[jaybird]

Meh. It will pretty much be the 5D with better higher ISO, faster FPS, and a lot of 1-series features........wait a minute....that is freakin' great!

Come on Canon and smack a good one with a 5DMII!!!!!

[davidfig]

Once again I think Canon is screwed. If the bring out a D700 killer (ie. FX, 29pt AF, 5-6.5fps, etc) then it will eat into the 1D series. If Nikon does this, it will smash Canon. Nikon has done great at taking the low end, and the mid range, and they did it smartly.

We will have to wait and see how Canon responds. Question is! Has Canon gotten to big to develop quick responses?

[fr3d]

Yea but Nikon is only smashing the tiny high end market. Still we can hope for some price wars if the D700 and 5D II are presented at photokina.

[gjl711]

Looks like Nikon is raising the bar once again. Hope Canon got the message and is planning to come out with a killer 5D-II. It will be very disappointing if it’s a 40D with a FF sensor.

[fr3d]

Looks like Nikon is raising the bar once again. Hope Canon got the message and is planning to come out with a killer 5D-II. It will be very disappointing if it’s a 40D with a FF sensor.

You know what, when Canon saw the D3 and D300 launch they decided to
redo the 5D II .. now we're approaching the launch of the D700 and Canon
has to redo the 5D II again ... haha!

[Nukey]

Cool! The competition should get Canon moving on the 5DMk2, but I just bought a 5D and the price of a 5DMk2 probably won't be "reasonable" until the time when everyone's screaming for a 5Dmk3 :)

[gjl711]

... and Canon
has to redo the 5D II again ... haha!NNNNNNOOOOOOOoooooo......

[mr kipling]

"An update is unnecessary because the camera is still ahead of the competition" As said by Canon in this weeks AP (UK).

Hmmm, better get cracking with the 5D II Canon!

This new Nikon seems to be the news that many have been waiting for, Including 5D owners. However, the problem is there is a huge lack of decent, reasonably priced full frame AF-S glass that will be able to go with this body.

There is the recently released 24-70 and 14-24, but if you can afford to stump up the money for those two, a D3 would be no problem at all...

Also, the Dpreview review of the 70-200 showed it's not all roses when mounted on a full frame camera..

I know this is the wrong thing to think, but when I read the rumors the first thing I thought was, " Well, the value of my D300 has tanked overnight!!" :lol:

[nadtz]

Yea but Nikon is only smashing the tiny high end market. Still we can hope for some price wars if the D700 and 5D II are presented at photokina.

Erm, D40/D60 mayhap? Nikon is outselling canon in japan at least, they arent just smashing the tiny high end market. with a d40, d300 and d700 lineup I fully expect nikon to be on top in a year or 2 as nikon has this silly habit of giving customers what they want in bodies. WHo would have ever guessed that would work as a marketing strategy.

"Canon sold 3.18 million single-lens reflex cameras in 2007 compared with Nikon's 2.98 million, according to a study released Tuesday by market researcher IDC. That represents a 42.7 percent and 40 percent share, respectively, of the 2007 SLR market. It's a much narrower margin for Canon than in 2006, when it had 46.7 percent of the market, compared with Nikon's 33 percent. "

from http://news.cnet.com/8301-13580_3-9882670-39.html

And..

"Nikon is expected to be Japan's DSLR market leader for 2007 says a leading Japanese market research company." which I believe became the case. If nikon ends up with a d700 in their lineup and its as good as the D3/d300, Canon is going to be hurt even if they do drop a 5dII as it will probably be a 'rehash' of the 5D.

[fr3d]

Erm, D40/D60 mayhap? Nikon is outselling canon in japan at least, they arent just smashing the tiny high end market. with a d40, d300 and d700 lineup I fully expect nikon to be on top in a year or 2 as nikon has this silly habit of giving customers what they want in bodies. WHo would have ever guessed that would work as a marketing strategy.

"Canon sold 3.18 million single-lens reflex cameras in 2007 compared with Nikon's 2.98 million, according to a study released Tuesday by market researcher IDC. That represents a 42.7 percent and 40 percent share, respectively, of the 2007 SLR market. It's a much narrower margin for Canon than in 2006, when it had 46.7 percent of the market, compared with Nikon's 33 percent. "

from http://news.cnet.com/8301-13580_3-9882670-39.html

And..

"Nikon is expected to be Japan's DSLR market leader for 2007 says a leading Japanese market research company." which I believe became the case. If nikon ends up with a d700 in their lineup and its as good as the D3/d300, Canon is going to be hurt even if they do drop a 5dII as it will probably be a 'rehash' of the 5D.

I don't care. This is a gearhead forum. Nobody is interested in real information!

[gjl711]

Ya know, after reading that CNET article, it’s perfectly clear why the 1000D was introduced.

[Dragos Jianu]

Gentlemen, let's not forget the D80 replacement. D60 D90 D300 D10 D3 and a deep fried Canon. After the D300vs40D and D3vs1D3 and 1D3 AF fiasco it's just a matter of time until patience runs out on our side unless Canon realizes the time has come to actually please the client rather then greedily spoon feeding him small upgrades for maximum profit.
The 1000D was the first move in the right direction. Canon needs a LOT more to remain in the lead.

[fr3d]

Gentlemen, let's not forget the D80 replacement. D90 D300 D10 D3 and a deep fried Canon. After the D300vs40D and D3vs1D3 and 1D3 AF fiasco it's just a matter of time until patience runs out on our side unless Canon realizes the time has come to actually please the client rather then greedily spoon feeding him small upgrades for maximum profit.
The 1000D was the first move in the right direction. Canon needs a LOT more to remain in the lead.

Well said!

[freakeystyley34]

Unless the 5d mk2 is really freakin' awesome and comes soon, canon are a bit screwed in the high end market. I can just see canon coming out with a 16mp 5d2 at like 3.5 fps with 40d autofocus and trying to charge £2000 for it. Realistically it has to have AF as good as 1d3 with no problems and at least 5fps and amazingly low noise to even tempt me. I'm not buying any more lenses until i see what the 5d2 is like, and if its clearly not as good as a d700 then i'll wait a year or so and probably change to noink.

Dragos has it spot on. Nikon don't seem to plan their cameras so as to be good but not too good like canon does, they make them as good as they possibly can (ie putting d3 AF in d300).

[fr3d]

Unless the 5d mk2 is really freakin' awesome and comes soon, canon are a bit screwed in the high end market. I can just see canon coming out with a 16mp 5d2 at like 3.5 fps with 40d autofocus and trying to charge £2000 for it. Realistically it has to have AF as good as 1d3 with no problems and at least 5fps and amazingly low noise to even tempt me. I'm not buying any more lenses until i see what the 5d2 is like, and if its clearly not as good as a d700 then i'll wait a year or so and probably change to noink.

Amen to that. I'm also not buying a camera right now because I want to
see where Canon is heading. I rather save up some pennies and shoot
with what I have. But I don't see myself changeing to Nikon becuase of
the bad lens offerings the have (higher prices, fewer choices, less with IS,
even fewer with USM, no f1.2 lenses, etc.). Lenses last much longer than
camera bodies. And the later are changeing all the time in this digital area.

[freakeystyley34]

I've got a feeling that nikon will be updating their primes fairly soon, it's the weakpoint in their lineup.

[mismis]

I've got a feeling that nikon will be updating their primes fairly soon, it's the weakpoint in their lineup.

I agree with this, I almost switched to nikon for a d300 untill I saw their prime lineup

[Visuals]

Ah yes!

Nikon is getting ready to unleash brilliance once again. :D

[StarJack]

Gentlemen, let's not forget the D80 replacement. D60 D90 D300 D10 D3 and a deep fried Canon. After the D300vs40D and D3vs1D3 and 1D3 AF fiasco it's just a matter of time until patience runs out on our side unless Canon realizes the time has come to actually please the client rather then greedily spoon feeding him small upgrades for maximum profit.
The 1000D was the first move in the right direction. Canon needs a LOT more to remain in the lead.

Well said!

[scokar]

Gentlemen, let's not forget the D80 replacement. D60 D90 D300 D10 D3 and a deep fried Canon. After the D300vs40D and D3vs1D3 and 1D3 AF fiasco it's just a matter of time until patience runs out on our side unless Canon realizes the time has come to actually please the client rather then greedily spoon feeding him small upgrades for maximum profit.
The 1000D was the first move in the right direction. Canon needs a LOT more to remain in the lead.

Said Well!!

I'm different :)

[kensei]

just scrap the 5d and sell the 1ds mk 3 for 3 grand..... Nikon beaten, end of story.

[AdamJL]

I vote Kensei for President of the World!!!

[blonde]

i don;t know if the D700 is real or when or if the 5DmkII is released. all i know is that i am waiting for a small body FF with good feature set (at least 4fps, 14 bit, live view etc..) and the first company that brings such a camera out will get my business. i want to move to a two camera setup with a crop for wildlife and birding and FF for my portraits and landscapes.

D300 + D700 or 40D+ 5DmkII :)

[cyrn]

just scrap the 5d and sell the 1ds mk 3 for 3 grand..... Nikon beaten, end of story.

If Canon does that, Nikon can just sell the D700 at $2K, there would still be competition.

[AdamJL]

lol.
D700 or 1Ds III @ only a 1k more.
hmmmm... I know which one I'd choose!

[cyrn]

lol.
D700 or 1Ds III @ only a 1k more.
hmmmm... I know which one I'd choose!

You may like to wait for D700 specs to be released before commenting. ;)

[Juan Zas]

It looks like next week - first week of July it´s going to be the week for the D700:

http://www.evolife.cn/?p=4854

http://www.evolife.cn/?p=4708

Some english translation:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.evolife.cn%2F%3Fp%3D4 854&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&hl=es&ie=UTF-8

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.evolife.cn%2F%3Fp%3D4 854&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&hl=es&ie=UTF-8

Price. aprox 3000$

[blonde]

It looks like next week - first week of July it´s going to be the week for the D700:

http://www.evolife.cn/?p=4854

http://www.evolife.cn/?p=4708

Some english translation:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.evolife.cn%2F%3Fp%3D4 854&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&hl=es&ie=UTF-8

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.evolife.cn%2F%3Fp%3D4 854&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&hl=es&ie=UTF-8

Price. aprox 3000$

i am so there that it is not even funny anymore!!!!!

D300 + D700, here i come!!!!!

[FLY GTI]

It looks like next week - first week of July it´s going to be the week for the D700:

http://www.evolife.cn/?p=4854

http://www.evolife.cn/?p=4708

Some english translation:

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.evolife.cn%2F%3Fp%3D4 854&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&hl=es&ie=UTF-8

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.evolife.cn%2F%3Fp%3D4 854&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&hl=es&ie=UTF-8

Price. aprox 3000$

Supposed to be announced by Nikon Monday June 30th.

[davidinjp]

If the D3 and D300 combo were the wake-up punches, the d700 and d3x are about the best knockout punch combination I could imagine. I bet heads are starting to roll over at Canon.

Then again maybe there is hope, I heard a huge team of Canon Engineers have been distracted innovating something new and amazing called "an on-body mirror lockup button" and an even bigger print button. And of course, don't forget they just released the 1000d beast which could beat the d700 in a paperweight test any day! :=)

[AdamJL]

If the D3 and D300 combo were the wake-up punches, the d700 and d3x are about the best knockout punch combination I could imagine. I bet heads are starting to roll over at Canon.

Then again maybe there is hope, I heard a huge team of Canon Engineers have been distracted innovating something new and amazing called "an on-body mirror lockup button" and an even bigger print button. And of course, don't forget they just released the 1000d beast which could beat the d700 in a paperweight test any day! :=)

:shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock: OMGNOWAI!!!

[dithiolium]

At this rate Nikon will buy over Canon DSLR business.
Canon will buy over Nikon Compact business.
Moving forward, all Nikons will then inherit the large Print button technology.
Haha.

[dithiolium]

On a 'rather' serious note. My friends who were saving up for the D3, are now planning to go for the D700 instead. Provided the rumoured specs hold true.
Nikon may lose a bit of revenue from reduced D3 sales, unless the profit margin of the D700 > D3.

[Dragos Jianu]

meh. I'm starting to think it's just a matter of different philosophy. It's nothing new that Nikon bodies are much nicer then Canon's. this has held true ever since the days of D100 vs D60 and D70 vs 300D (digital era). The big news actually being just the nice sensor employed in the D3 and D700.

Nikon has been all about bells and whistles at premium prices while Canon is all about basic, no-fuss bodies that to just one thing and one thing flawlessly : take breathtaking pictures at a decent/low price. Almost like comparing BMW and Toyota. Or Leica and Sony.

Nikon just throws in gadgets that may or may not work properly - who cares as long as it wins them market shares. Check out Nikon Cafe. See how many D300 users actually use all 51AF point. Nikon forgot to mention that the D300 processor can't actually handle 51AF points which causes a nice, close to one second long lag between pressing the shutter/AF-On button and the AF's actual engaging.

You think the D300 has decent high ISO performance ? think again! That only holds true is you shoot JPG http://www.nikondigital.org/articles/nikon_high_iso_test/ still just as lame as the D200, they just improved the JPG noise reduction algorithms (think Sony). Also holds true (partially) for the all mighty D3. you don't actually believe it's got a 4 advantage over the 5D, do you ? :D think more like less then a stop
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=26063873 beyond that it's just marketing and jpg processing Sony style.

Talking about skrew-ups , you think Canon blew it with the 1D3 AF ? do a search on Dead Battery Syndrome [DBS] and D300. (remember the D70 "green led of death" [GLOD])?

Yes, they are nice cameras non-the-less. Just don't take all the marketing bullpoo for granted. Nikon Cafe. You'll find quite a few Nikonians contemplating the switch to Canon either because of the outrageous body/lens prices or because they want an outstanding FF body for less then 5000$.

PS: i've been seriously contemplating the switch. I was actually sure i would go Nikon via the D300. BUT, after playing around with the D300 (which I've been less then impressed with) versus the 5D (which blew my mind) and considering Nikon's outrageous lens pricing and lack of USM/AF-S on most primes, and after browsing the Nikon Cafe forum i put my money on the Canon.

[Juan Zas]

Interesting thoughts & coments, as usual, Dragos ... :D
The finger on the eye ...

[cwemely]

Hi All,

I have been lurking and reading through the great posts and thought I would share what I saw today. Check out this link about the faked D700 pic.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/27/debunk-nikon-d700-spyshot/

Cheers,

Chip

[AdamJL]

Cheers, Chip. I guess we'll find out on Monday or Tuesday.

[mismis]

The 14-24mm + d3 or 14-24mm + possible d700 combo gives me nightmares

[fr3d]

Yup, especialy if you start looking for a filter thread to mount a polfilter on the 14-24 :>

[davidinjp]

meh. I'm starting to think it's just a matter of different philosophy. It's nothing new that Nikon bodies are much nicer then Canon's. this has held true ever since the days of D100 vs D60 and D70 vs 300D (digital era). The big news actually being just the nice sensor employed in the D3 and D700.


To add to that, this time around it is about the pace of innovation in general. Nikon has launched its first full frame models and also introduced usable very high ISO performance that allows us to use DSLR's in certain cases like never before.

There is silver a lining. Canon's lack of quick response to D3/300/700 could mean they are really re-engineering some new products and the next generation models will match Nikon's ISO capabilities and also improve the cost to performance ratio of Canon bodies.

I think it's a good sign that Canon has yet to respond with any new sensor technology. This could mean they are a actually attempting some real sensor innovation, unlike these last 3 years. The only problem is that now everyone wants to own a Nikon! So Canon better hurry it up.

[Sprout Crumble]

Seems to be a lot of doom and gloom about a D700. Don't understand why when we've still got the 5D2 to come.

[cyrn]

Seems to be a lot of doom and gloom about a D700. Don't understand why when we've still got the 5D2 to come.

It's not only about D700, rather it's about Canon not maintaining their lead and staying ahead of the game.

Look at Canon's focus... 1000D.. :rolleyes::rolleyes:. IIRC they did mention that they didn't need to upgrade 5D as there was no competition.... I see it as some kind of lousy corporate attitude.

[davidinjp]

Seems to be a lot of doom and gloom about a D700. Don't understand why when we've still got the 5D2 to come.

What 5D2?

[AdamJL]

It's not only about D700, rather it's about Canon not maintaining their lead and staying ahead of the game.

Look at Canon's focus... 1000D.. :rolleyes::rolleyes:. IIRC they did mention that they didn't need to upgrade 5D as there was no competition.... I see it as some kind of lousy corporate attitude.

I agree tbh. Competition should never be the only reason you upgrade and improve. If that's all that drives your business, you've got a problem.

[cyrn]

D700 specs looks good!

Some of the things I'm looking for in a cam. Would have been perfect if it have 100% frame coverage. But still it's a great draw to me. ;)

12.1 megapixel full-frame sensor (8.45µm pixel pitch)
Image Sensor Cleaning (vibration) *
Same ultra-fast startup and shutter lag as D3
Multi-CAM3500FX Auto Focus sensor (51-point, 15 cross-type, more vertical coverage)
5 frames per second continuous with auto-focus tracking*
Optional MB-D10 Battery Pack (same as D300), increases burst rate to 8 fps *
Expanded Function button options (can assign any camera menu item)
Live View can be assigned to FUNC, AE-L or Preview buttons (allowing LV + different drive modes)

I doubt that Canon's "5DII" is going to be near in feature...maybe just higher resolution at 16MP. No chance of programmable button or fast response shutter lag, not likely that it will use 45AFpoints.

[John_TX]

Now that Nikon has just about reached the same volume of DSLR's moved per year as Canon, Nikon should be able to pump lots of money into lens development. More bodies sold = more demand for lenses = more $$$ for lens R&D.

Hopefully Nikon will come out with some killer glass that causes Canon to knock this crap off about holding back features on their bodies. That chaps my ass more than anything with Canon.

Arguably, a struggling company tries to get every last drop of blood out of a product...to the detriment of loosing market share and accessory sales (e.g. lenses & flashes). I guess if that's the way they want to play it, that's their choice, just so long as they know they've given up the innovator position and became merely a follower who mimics what others release to the market.