DPP Software

[tkrobinson]

I started using the 2.2.0.1 version of the DPP software for the first time this evening. I was able to produce some effects that I am extremely pleased with.

Here is my problem. The effect only look good when I view the picture in the DPP software. If I just use the windows to locate the pic and view it, it appears no different other than the different file name that I have given it.

I have Add recipe and saved....Add recipe and save as.... & I have tried the Convert and save....

What am I doing incorrectly? Please help.

[blinded]

The windows image viewer isn't color managed, so all sorts of color related problems can take place. Best to use a color managed viewer, but I don't know of many. I just use Bridge.

[tkrobinson]

So if I edit in DPP, add recipe and save....upload to web and post here it should apply my DPP edits?

[blinded]

So if I edit in DPP, add recipe and save....upload to web and post here it should apply my DPP edits?

Um, I don't really know know about the save recipe. It should save if you just click save, and the edits will be any conversions you do, unless you might want US to work from your RAWs with settings files.

[tkrobinson]

I have three methods of saving ...I have Add recipe and saved....Add recipe and save as.... & I have tried the Convert and save....


I am not sure

[blinded]

What is the format you want to export as? JPEG or just RAW. I never mess around with Recipes.

Oh, here's another thing. You need to update your DPP. The lastest version is 3.4.1.1 I believe.

[tkrobinson]

I am shooting JPEG.

editing in DPP and save as JPEG.

[blinded]

Oh, hmm. Have you updated your programs first? (DPP isn't the only thing to be updated, update the EOS utility too. If you need help finding the updates, I can link you to them). It would help if we were on the same page first. The recipe problem is because of JPEGs. RAW makes this much simpler, but I'm not forcing you to do switch (though it would help, lol). After you upgrade (post that you have) I'm going to try to do what you've done and solve your problem with JPEGs.

[tkrobinson]

ok, I have not made the leap to raw yet....that is coming fairly soon...but, if I cannot edit a JPEG, what am I going to do with a RAW....I will update now.

[Zazoh]

ok, I have not made the leap to raw yet....that is coming fairly soon...but, if I cannot edit a JPEG, what am I going to do with a RAW....I will update now.

You've been mislead. Saving a JPEG in DPP is like saving a RAW in DPP, the changes are only visible in DPP. (And non destructive)

If you want to see an image changed image outside of DPP you have to export the image first. Whether it is RAW or JPG.

[blinded]

ok, I have not made the leap to raw yet....that is coming fairly soon...but, if I cannot edit a JPEG, what am I going to do with a RAW....I will update now.

several reasons why I use RAW:
1. Color (this is the #1 reason why I use RAW and why it's listed first). With JPEGs, you're stuck using Canon Picture Styles. But not with RAW if you use a 3rd party converter. Picture Styles are "pleasing color" but not accurate. I use Bibble since every camera is calibrated in it (ACR also allows you to calibrate but it's still off, even though it's close). I want one "standard" setting, not like the "standard" on DPP which is too vivid, and better than neutral which is too dull. Faithful has really bad color unless you're outside, so it's not a good option. Even if Picture Styles don't bother you though, you can change them on the fly with NO consequence or loss of quality in RAW.

2. RAW is lossless and has 12-14 bits of information (4096 to 16384 levels of brightness), so you get EVERYTHING you camera is capable of (though the RAW converter you use is also responsible for extracting all this). Compare that with JPEGs, which are compressed, 8bit images (255 levels of brightness). This means that you can have more detail and more latitude in editing your images (essential for under/overexposure).

3. Larger color gamuts. This goes along with the first 2. With JPEG, you'll be stuck with sRGB or AdobeRGB, so you're limiting the colors you can use. But RAW can use anything, huge spaces like ProPhoto, or even niche spaces like BruceRGB/BetaRGB/DCam(s). Even if you could use them in camera, this would be bad because JPEGs are still 8bit and the larger gamut would lead to posterization (when areas of near solid color look choppy since you can see transitions in them). This isn't a problem in RAW since you have 16 bits to work with to prevent posterization, but with the flexibility of converting/exporting to 8 bit JPEGs anytime.

4. RAW is NEVER touched. All edits are nondestructive, and as time goes on, the technology for RAW could get better and newer programs could have better conversions as well. With JPEGs you've already made the file and pixels, so there's nothing to be done. Normal edits will be destructive, you'll have to copy the original file again if you want to make changes.

5. With RAW, you can change the white balance in 2 seconds. That saves a lot of time compared to Photoshop (especially with mixed lighting), and even if there's no neutral place to do a click white balance, you have temp/tint sliders.

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from the post above me, I get your problem now. Convert and Save SHOULD work, that's what I would do. But since you're using Windows to view it, you wouldn't have any color management to show you, even if it was correct.

[tkrobinson]

If you want to see an image changed image outside of DPP you have to export the image first. Whether it is RAW or JPG.


Ok, when I open DPP it automatically takes me to my pic folders....under file I see nothing that says export. I have the save & convert options like I listed above...

Sorry I am struggling with this....I am sure pple are getting a kick out of this.

[tkrobinson]

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from the post above me, I get your problem now. Convert and Save SHOULD work, that's what I would do. But since you're using Windows to view it, you wouldn't have any color management to show you, even if it was correct.

So if i do my editing, then upload to the site....you should see my edits? This definitely has me frustrated...

[tkrobinson]

Convert and save asks for Output resolution, with 350 being default, what should this be set too?

[blinded]

So if i do my editing, then upload to the site....you should see my edits? This definitely has me frustrated...

I believe you should even see them in Windows. Is your camera set to sRGB. This could be a problem. Unfortunatley, a lot of the internet isn't color managed either. If you have Firefox 3 it can do it though.

I would put the resolution at 300. 350 is a bit high.

[tkrobinson]

that is what I thought about seeing them in windows...camera is set to sRGB. I am not sure, the edits look awesome in DPP. I am about to give it up for the night.

I really appreciate your patience with me on this....I know it kinda makes ya bang your head trying to think what I am seeing and trying to describe.

This has been my first editing experience....can ya tell? lol

[tkrobinson]

What is batch process?

[Glenn NK]

I've never processed JPEG in DPP, but it should be similar to RAW (except there is less control over the image with a JPEG).

The resolution setting (I believe) only affects a print, not web resolution. At least when I save JPEGs for Naturescapes, there is a pixel size limit of 750 and a maximum file size of 200 KB, but don't bother with a resolution (300, 350 or whatever).

Under Tools/Preferences, select Color Management, and check the option for sRGB.

Glenn

PS - Batch Process is when you have a number of images that use the same develop (PP) settings - rather than do one at a time, you "fix" one, and apply the recipe to all of them.

[blinded]

What is batch process?

Batch process is when you do something to a bunch of files at once. With Raw, batch processing is ideal, since you can edit one image and apply the settings to a group of images at once, and you can batch process your Raws to JPEGs/TIFFs/etc too.

[tkrobinson]

sRGB is selected in DPP. I get the results that I want using DPP, when I save it only stays in DPP. Even when I create a new file name, it looks no different than the original (when I view the pic from my folder, not DPP).

[tkrobinson]

yeah, batch isn't what I am trying to accomplish at this point. All I want to do is be able to view or upload the edited image outside of DPP. I don't think it is possible.

[blinded]

yeah, batch isn't what I am trying to accomplish at this point. All I want to do is be able to view or upload the edited image outside of DPP. I don't think it is possible.
I will try it in one minute and tell you.

[Glenn NK]

sRGB is selected in DPP. I get the results that I want using DPP, when I save it only stays in DPP. Even when I create a new file name, it looks no different than the original (when I view the pic from my folder, not DPP).

Have you tried the Save As command?

[tkrobinson]

[quote=Glenn NK;5793315]I've never processed JPEG in DPP, but it should be similar to RAW (except there is less control over the image with a JPEG).quote]

After you process your RAW, are you able to view your edited pic outside of DPP?

[tkrobinson]

Glenn,

when i do a save as after edit, it appears no different than the original

[tkrobinson]

Am I wasting my time trying to sharpen/sat./brighten a JPEG with DPP? I know that I have wasted enough of your all's time.

[Glenn NK]

Am I wasting my time trying to sharpen/sat./brighten a JPEG with DPP? I know that I have wasted enough of your all's time.

I truthfully can't answer this question because I've never shot JPEG.

In reply to your question, "after you process your RAW, are you able to view your edited pic outside of DPP?" - the answer is yes.

And, frankly the colours were better when the file was processed in DPP than when processed in Lightroom. I did a specific test of a bright pink tulip and DPP gave me the best colour.

[tkrobinson]

So with RAW, after edit, do you convert and save I assume?

[blinded]

Ok, I'm finishing this topic once and for all (lol). I tested a JPEG I processed from RAW and did an EXTREME edit on it (blowing out TONS of highlights), that way if the change was successful, I could see it. Tested in Windows anyways. My findings are as is:

Save As - makes a copy of the original file with a recipe file for settings. No change in windows since only DPP reads the settings. No idea where the settings are saved either, maybe in a DPP database or in extra metadata that only DPP can read.
Save and Convert - actually applies the settings to the file and converts the image. Any settings you did are now the defaults, rather than settings. I have no idea why this doesn't work for you, but then again, I'm on a calibrated monitor. That could be part of the problem maybe.

I didn't touch just plain Save since it may overwrite the original and there is NO way I'm doing that!


After you process your RAW, are you able to view your edited pic outside of DPP?
Yes, you should with DPP too.

Glenn,
when i do a save as after edit, it appears no different than the original
I explained this above.

Am I wasting my time trying to sharpen/sat./brighten a JPEG with DPP? I know that I have wasted enough of your all's time.
I would say so, but then again, I don't even like DPP. RAW is one of the reasons why you have a nicer camera, take advantage of it. If it was me, I would switch to RAW and then test out ALL of the popular RAW converters (Bibble, C1, ACR/Lightroom, Silkypix, Lightzone, RAW Therapee, etc). If you want the quick answer though, I use Bibble (really good color, FAST, custom output profiles, smart development I think) or ACR/Lightroom (some better tools than Bibble but BAD color - just find or calibrate the program yourself for your camera).

[Glenn NK]

So with RAW, after edit, do you convert and save I assume?

I believe that's correct (tulip time was about two months ago here).

I saved it to a TIFF to maintain the quality. Did the same in Lightroom.

Then the best one (DPP) was saved to a JPEG to put on the site:

http://www.naturescapes.net/portfolios/listimages.php?id=760&cat=24479&page=1

To see the tulip, click on "View complete image portfolio" upper right hand of screen. Those pinks came from DPP.

[tkrobinson]

blinded I appreciate your help...Maybe this is enought to push me to RAW. I do know that 1GB isnt enough of a CF. Thanks again for spending some time on this for me. I just did the same with blowing out the settings and it worked.

Well that just caused me to stay up another 1/2 hr.

[tkrobinson]

I have found out that I loose some sharpness when I convert it at 350dpi

[tzalman]

There has been a fair amount of misinformation here but eventually you seem to have found the right answer: Only Convert and Save will produce a new file with the editing applied. Save merely saves a list of editing instructions that supercedes but does not replace those written by the camera. Save As does the same to a copy of the original. These instructions can be read only by DPP.

There is absolutely no connection between dpi and sharpness. Dpi is used by some printing applications as the default print size and does not in any way affect the digital data. The significant resolution is the pixel dimensions. After an image has been resized from its original dimensions there is a good chance it will need sharpening,.

[Zazoh]

[quote=blinded;5793452]I didn't touch just plain Save since it may overwrite the original and there is NO way I'm doing that!
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DPP does not overwrite the original. Niether does Picasa 2 by the way. DPP adds a recipie to the file and doesn't change it, even if it is JPG. You can do hundreds of non-destructive changes and saves to a file in DPP, there is always the option to revert to original.

Go to 'adjustment' then 'revert to shot settings'.

To the OP, you will be amazed at the information you find in the manual for DPP, need to give it a read.

[René Damkot]

I have found out that I loose some sharpness when I convert it at 350dpi

Compare sharpness in different programs at 100% view, otherwise resizing algorithms for screen will wreck havoc.

On the color settings: Make sure that you have set the working space to sRGB, but the monitor profile to "System default" or your monitors profile (depending on OS / version of DPP; The option "system default" only exists in the later, windows version of DPP)

[Glenn NK]

There has been a fair amount of misinformation here but eventually you seem to have found the right answer: Only Convert and Save will produce a new file with the editing applied. Save merely saves a list of editing instructions that supercedes but does not replace those written by the camera. Save As does the same to a copy of the original. These instructions can be read only by DPP.

There is absolutely no connection between dpi and sharpness. Dpi is used by some printing applications as the default print size and does not in any way affect the digital data. The significant resolution is the pixel dimensions. After an image has been resized from its original dimensions there is a good chance it will need sharpening,.

Thanks for the clarification. A belief still lingers that setting the dpi affects the appearance of the digital image onscreen.

And yes, "Convert and Save" is the only command that allows one to select from the various output formats.

[blinded]

sorry, I never tried the Save command (though i mentioned that) since i thought it would overwrite the file like most save features.

[Mtn Breeze]

Hi all.

Geez, I just had exactly the same problem as the OP. First time in DPP and bugger me if I couldn't save the edited pic. Spent about 45 minutes trying different options and eventually (all by myself.....LOL) discovered that the only way to save the edits was by using "convert and save". The one thing I did notice was that the file size rocketed from, for example, 1.9mb right up to 15mb for the new save.

Anyway, once having worked that out I wanted to know why !!! So, used the excellent "search" function at top right of the forum page and voila......found this thread and in it, everything I wanted to know about the problem I encountered !!! AWESOME !!!

Thanks and Hoorah for POTN !!!

Cheers, Matt.