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timmyquest

9th of January 2005 (Sun), 19:05

I generally post the same sports photos over at FM as i do here. As always i state my gear and lighting conditions and bow to the powers above me that force me to deal with either high noise or ugly looking lighting due to my needed use of a strobe as i cant afford ultra fast telephoto lenses nor expensive lighting equipment.

yet, everytime i make that disclaimer they fail to see it, or dont care, and insist on wasting my time lecturing me.

in my opinion the flash is way too much. Nice shots other than that

I really have little choice

ISO 1000 f/2.8= 1/80 in that gym

The flash is pretty bad. Use a faster lens than f/2.8 and crank it up to 1600 or 3200

Oh, ok...i'll get right on that as soon as i aquire the $10,000 to pay for that gear :rolleyes:

Ok, so maybe i'm too worked up about this instance, but i swear...it's every time!

*hugs POTN*

You guys can bash my photos all you want, you always do it in the right ways :lol:

Digital Prophet

9th of January 2005 (Sun), 19:41

That is why I am not into the FM forum. They are ... snobby. It's like these people have all the gear in the world and expect you too.

Don't get me wrong, there are alot of good posts, images and people there. And there is a wealth of info too. But I am not going to post my images to get a beat down because I can't afford L (yet).

It seems to me that it is that repetitive, inconsiderate minority that keeps posting things like that.

- Digital Prophet -

kawter2

9th of January 2005 (Sun), 19:47

I would take it for what it is worth.. I only post my top 10% of work over there because I know the callibur and expectations they have.. Every time they rip me a new one I love it, because 1 it makes me that much better, and 2 when I do get good compliments I know they are genuine.

IMO if you ask for opinions, that is what you are going to get.

Belmondo

9th of January 2005 (Sun), 19:49

That's okay, TQ. You're much loved here. You don't have to go anywhere else to get your strokes.

Group hug.

timmyquest

9th of January 2005 (Sun), 19:54

IMO if you ask for opinions, that is what you are going to get.

I'd love it if they'd critique the content of the images...

Scottes

9th of January 2005 (Sun), 19:57

Preface the post with "I know the shot isn't technically perfect, but..."

You may not get as many stupid answers this way. I'm sure that it won't entirely remove them.

timmyquest

9th of January 2005 (Sun), 20:21

*cough*

I've sold 11 in the past 9 weeks :-)

FlyingPete

9th of January 2005 (Sun), 20:30

[QUOTE=Digital Prophet]That is why I am not into the FM forum. They are ... snobby. It's like these people have all the gear in the world and expect you too.

Don't get me wrong, there are alot of good posts, images and people there. And there is a wealth of info too. But I am not going to post my images to get a beat down because I can't afford L (yet). [QUOTE]

Lets all hear if for those of us that cannot afford L Glass!!! We still take great shots (not knocking those who do , after all they are on my 'to do' list as well :D )

This is the only forum I post on!

Curos

9th of January 2005 (Sun), 20:34

Group hug.
Did anyone else think of the support groups "Jack" goes to in Fight Club when Belmondo said this?

No, it was just me. Now, why did I think of that...

CyberDyneSystems

9th of January 2005 (Sun), 21:30

Hmmmm.. so torn..

To be miffed that Timmy is posting another senseless O.T. self indulgent rant? :rolleyes:

... or be content to agree completely with his sentiments completely... ;)

Decision, decisions... :lol: :lol: :lol:

Moppie

9th of January 2005 (Sun), 21:32

timmyquest

9th of January 2005 (Sun), 21:36

CyberDyneSystems

9th of January 2005 (Sun), 21:41

.. the official ruling.. so long as the rant make POTN look good.. :lol:

I typed "completely" twice.. :rolleyes: must be late.. funny thing,. I spelled it right both times . :shock:

timmyquest

9th of January 2005 (Sun), 21:46

Thats why i put it here silly.

And i noticed htat, and read it 5 times. It...kind of makes sense.

KennyG

10th of January 2005 (Mon), 02:52

There is nothing wrong with sticking your head in the lion's mouth from time to time. If you get torn apart, that's the risk you take. Take notice of those who have an opinion you value and file the rest away in the trash can. FM has nothing on my old mentor of many years ago, he could reduce you to tears with his critiques.

mdude85

11th of January 2005 (Tue), 16:13

KennyG,

unfortunately some people only value positive opinions but take offense at real critiques.

kawter2

11th of January 2005 (Tue), 19:47

Thats true. I'm not one of them. I just dont like when people point out things that i'm already aware of when i already asked them to not do so.

Kind of what you did.

Now, do you really want to come here and start a fight? Do you really think thats a good idea?

Ouch looks like something hit A NERVE... I think i am just going to stand back and watch this time

**better hurry, the yard lady is comming**

mdude85

11th of January 2005 (Tue), 22:08

the forums at FM encourage critiques, especially since there is a high number of professional photographers compared to this board.

timmyquest

11th of January 2005 (Tue), 22:29

timmyquest

11th of January 2005 (Tue), 22:54

*wishes i could read stevens posts*

kawter2

11th of January 2005 (Tue), 22:56

All i ask RFM is for them to critique the aspects of the photo that i havnt made clear i know that need work on.

Dont you find it odd that when it goes down like this:

"I was trying some new lighting techniques, but here are the pics"

"The flash makes it look bad"

"I know it does, i have little to work with and have been batteling this issue for a long time."

"the flash makes it look bad"

"I know, there are other parts of the photos..."

"the flash makes it look bad"

"Can we drop the flash"

"the flash makes it look bad"

"SHUT TEHO+ *(*&)(*& )I ODSIFDSF *&WE)(*& I KNOW!"

"Dont get mad at me because i'm trying to help, the flash makes it look bad"

...Maybe i'm wrong

I don't think that people are posting there responses off of this one situation.

In the past i have noticed that you seem to be defensive and condesending to those who give you a critical response. I think that it would help you to believe that these people (for the most part) on FM or here are taking time out of their lives to post something to help you not to attack you. As a designer I worked under a mentor that would tear me a new one and at first It was a little defeating, but you know what, I wouldn't be even close to where I am without it

I promise you this, in time you will find that the posts you thought were most valuable (NICE SHOT!!!! etc... ) will be forgotten and the ones you will remember and the ones that will impact your skill will be the ones that "hurt" a little when you read them

defordphoto

12th of January 2005 (Wed), 03:59

All i ask RFM is for them to critique the aspects of the photo that i havnt made clear i know that need work on.

Then why post this rant (yet another) here? I know for a fact that if you posted this rant over in their sports section they'd ban you in a NY minute. Like I said, take FM for what it is. I guarantee you are not going to change it. Don't like it? Don't post there. Problem cured. Simple.

Move on.

mr.photoguy

12th of January 2005 (Wed), 05:44

Well timmyq
I hear you on one point, but then on another point, you have to realize that if you post your images on a forum for others to see you have to be ready for the words, thoughts, and opinions of others.

No need to get agitated or upset. You have to think about it from this aspect, if someone makes a comment and your not all giddy about it.. Just say Thanks for your time, and keep it moving.

That was like those wrestling photo's you posted, oh boy you got ripped a new one.. but you know what it was constructive, and even I learned something from it.

I am very careful what I post for critics over on FM. Reason being; I post an image that I want help on, that I am not sure about. The images that I am happy with I may post also, but not that often.

I think you get the idea, and you get the feel for the FM board. You will rope in eventually. I wouldn't take anything to heart.

dewmuw

12th of January 2005 (Wed), 06:51

What's the FM forum? :D :D :D

That's like cheating on your missus!! :D :D :D

Just where where you last Tuesday night anyway? :)

timmyquest

12th of January 2005 (Wed), 07:10

That was like those wrestling photo's you posted, oh boy you got ripped a new one..

Those wernt mine ;-).

hen why post this rant (yet another) here?

To show you guys how much i apreciate tihs place.

In the past i have noticed that you seem to be defensive and condesending to those who give you a critical response.
How could i justify being condescending on a topic that i've been around for a little over 13 months?

I'm very open to critical replies to my work. But time and time again i ask to critique the things that i am unsure of.

There was a time on this message board where i posted a shot that was slightly out of focus. After it was brought up i said "Yeah it is a little out of focus, i realize this, but what do you think of the shot other then that".

I know the technical aspects of what makes a photograph look nice.

It has to be exposed right. It has to have accurate color. It has to be sharp. It has to have nice contrast. etc These are all very basic aspects of a photograph.

Some people prefer to have critiques on these aspects of a photograph. I generally do not when i post them here. I post my images here to be critiqued because most of the time, i am unsure if it was approached properly as far as:

My location
My timing
My liking of the appearance of the subject.

There was one thing brought up twice in the thread in question and it was the distorted looks of the players faces. I learned that this is generally not a good thing unless there is a great play going on. I was shown that i tend to make those boring sohts with funny faces a "keeper" just because it showed an ability to freeze action, but it didnt really show my ability to freeze relevant action. That is a good critique in my opinion. Not "the flash makes it look ugly" or "There is too much noise".

When i take these photographs i'm taking htem for a paper. I have already talked to them about the noise levels and the looks of a flash. Neither bothers them, so for the time being it doesnt bother me.

So, if i or anyone else posts an image and there is something wrong with it, then you bring that up and they say "Yeah i know". That should be the end of that topic, it's time to move on to something else that perhaps the user did not know.

defordphoto

12th of January 2005 (Wed), 07:44

defordphoto

12th of January 2005 (Wed), 07:47

Hmmmmm....Went to: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/169741

What's the bitch, Timmy? You got some great critique there! :rolleyes:

Belmondo

12th of January 2005 (Wed), 07:55

Hmmmmm....Went to: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/169741

What's the bitch, Timmy? You got some great critique there! :rolleyes:

True.

BTW, Tim, the flash makes it look bad.

Scottes

12th of January 2005 (Wed), 07:58

Can't ask for any better than that. Great critiquing.

And yeah, I'd dial down the FEC a stop or 2/3.

defordphoto

12th of January 2005 (Wed), 07:59

True.

BTW, Tim, the flash makes it look bad.

Actually, it makes it look real bad.

But, seriously, my question is Timmy, why didn't you fix that overexposure before posting them there? There is still plenty of information in those files and they are definitely recoverable.

ilya

12th of January 2005 (Wed), 08:38

Nope, he's not on my ignore list. Just curious, no big deal.

timmyquest

12th of January 2005 (Wed), 09:23

Hmmmmm....Went to: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/169741

What's the bitch, Timmy? You got some great critique there! :rolleyes:

Thats a new thread RFM... :rolleyes:

timmyquest

12th of January 2005 (Wed), 09:26

You should never expect to post to a critique forum and then tell them you only want to be critiqued on this or that. That's not how it works; certainly not on an open forum; and absolutely not at FM.

I'm not saying you shouldnt say whats on your mind. When i first started posting sports images i was over saturating them. Now when i look back i see it, then, i did not.

I just think that once an issue is settled we should drop it and move on.

"Hey, the you over saturated the photos. The lighting is great, the subject needs work"

"Thanks, i'm not so sure about the over saturation, what did you mean on the subject"

"Hey, i also agree that the photos are over saturated and you need to capture your subject a little sooner, i think thats what he was refering to"

"Ok, maybe you guys are right. Next time i'll saturate them less."

"Hey, your photos are over saturated"

"I know, thats been discussed"

"Hey, cool pics, but they are over saturated man"

"I know, thats been discussed"

"These are horrid, you really need to saturate them less"

"..."

Thats how i feel when i post at FM most of the time.

defordphoto

12th of January 2005 (Wed), 09:57

Where are these conversations occuring? In your mind? None of what you said to start this latest rant exists over there. Maybe that's how you "feel" but that's not what they are saying.

The basketball critique you received over at FM was top notch in spite of what you "feel."

I just think that once an issue is settled we should drop it and move on.

Good grief yes. Please.

mdude85

12th of January 2005 (Wed), 10:31

Hmmmmm....Went to: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/169741

What's the bitch, Timmy? You got some great critique there! :rolleyes:

That was after the moderator was forced to delete all the previous posts because timmyquest was beginning to insult the character of other posters and to "curse" them out. The nature of the critiques was not repetitive in my opinion. The problem was that in many shots timmyquests posts, the flash is overexposed. The members then give timmyquest some suggestions on how to capture the action by using less flash or no flash at all. Timmyquest does not seem to want to take their advice and still posts photos with an overexposed flash. Then timmyquest complains about his gear and begins to insult other posters. Timmyquest left out a lot of incriminating details regarding this specific FM thread when coming over here to rant. I don't want to start arguments, but I also don't want users exposed to only one side of the story. If timmyquest did not want to start a fight, he should not have created this out-of-line thread defaming the nature of other boards. The goal is not to hate other boards -- this quells the amount of information that can be learned. The goal should be for both the boards to work together. No one on the FM forums ever mentions the POTN forums, good or bad.

When timmyquest posted the same post on thbe POTN forums, he received a critique about his overexposed flash and a suggestion to buy a cheap strobe on Ebay. This was similar to the critiques received on the FM forums, but the response from timmyquest across both boards is starkly different.

timmyquest

12th of January 2005 (Wed), 10:39

mdude85, i deleted the thread, not the mods, because it had become about me rather then my photography. Much like this one is about to, so i think its best if it is locked.

Furthermore, my reply to the thread on this board was much like the first few replies of mine on FM the only difference is i wasnt continually bantered about the same topic and eventally "name called" like a 4th grader.

When i bring up my lack of gear it is because of the snobbish assumption on FM that anyone can get anything they want

"Shoot at higher ISO and get some faster glass"

Y'ok, i'll get right on that!

I'm wondering if your under the assumption that when i say FM i'm saying mdude. To be honest i value your opinions and your posts very little because this is the third message board where i've walked away thinking you were a prick. There is no doubt you think the same of me. This is why i do not address you first unless it is strictly a positive thing such as your water fountain photograph that i enjoy veyr much. You brag to me about how you can take a harsh critique, how your a poor college student with poor gear but how wonderfully you have the ability to make up for the lack of gear. To be honest, i dont care.

defordphoto

12th of January 2005 (Wed), 10:58

Speaking of 4th grade name calling. Timmy you are way, way over the line on this one. Expect the thread to be locked and further action taken.