Canon EOS-5D Mk II's full launch leaked?

[Photo's by Mike]

I found this site today, interesting!http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/07/10/canon.eos.5d.mk.ii.leak.2/

[Trainboy]

*hopes*
I'd be suprised if it wasn't offered with live view, after all, it doesn't seem that hard to put in a camera and it's good for macro, so why not?

[DigitalSpecialist]

Ok, sounds like were still dreaming. Can we all wake up and find reality???

[TheHoff]

The "source" is a DP Review thread.

It says the camera will not include Live View even though it is in every other new model.

The DP review thread says its source is "an elf and his boss gets early information and shipments in order to prepare for the holiday season."

[sadatk]

Every Canon since the 1D III has had Live View. The fact that this doesn't have it is enough to know it's fake.

[herbe_nelson]

ahaha this makes me smile :) Please stop believing this tripe that starts when one person has an idea of what the camera will be like and suddenly everyone jumps on the bandwagon. I agree with TheHoff.

check out the 11th July 2008 post here:
http://www.northlight-images.co.uk/cameras/Canon_5d2_3d_7d.html

When you read it you will understand the magnitude that this "rumour" has achieved in a very short time. The post this comes from on DPR points to another place, which actually then points back to DPR... lol :)

have fun,
Nelson

[AeroSmith]

1Ds2 sensor makes sense to me. I pray this is true.

[Colorblinded]

That all sounds rather unlikely.

[Orlandoech]

I just want this bastard to come out so I can decide whether or not Im a buy one.

[Trainboy]

I just want this bastard to come out so I can decide whether or not Im a buy one.
I just want it to come out so I CAN buy one.

[danmix]

I just want it to come out so threads like this stop

[sadatk]

I just want it to come out so threads like this stop

"5D mkIII LEAKED"

Expect it.

[Trainboy]

I just want it to come out so threads like this stop
"5D vs. 5D MkII"
"40D Vs. 5D MkII"
"Does the 1000D have better ISO performance than the 5D MkII"
"Help! I dropped my 5D MkII!"
And of course,
"5D MkII burst rate not hitting xFPS"
Posted by LightRules.

[Orlandoech]

"5D vs. 5D MkII"
"40D Vs. 5D MkII"
"Does the 1000D have better ISO performance than the 5D MkII"
"Help! I dropped my 5D MkII!"
And of course,
"5D MkII burst rate not hitting xFPS"
Posted by LightRules.

lol thats funny but oh so true.

[nicksan]

Worst rumor yet.
I got a take a leak now...

[jbuk1975]

Worst rumor yet.
I got a take a leak now...


wouldnt the fact we dont have an actual 5d mkII yet make it a good rumour? :confused::):D

[sando]

"5D vs. 5D MkII"
"40D Vs. 5D MkII"
"Does the 1000D have better ISO performance than the 5D MkII"
"Help! I dropped my 5D MkII!"
And of course,
"5D MkII burst rate not hitting xFPS"
Posted by LightRules.The reason PotN is going down the ****ter?

[Trainboy]

The reason PotN is going down the ****ter?
The correct term is "The cancer that is killing PotN"

[cdifoto]

Worst rumor yet.
I got a take a leak now...
Maybe you'll piss out a 1D Mark IIIN. :D

[Trainboy]

Maybe you'll piss out a 1D Mark IIIN. :D
That sounds painful :confused:

[cdifoto]

I guess it'd be like pregnancy. Painful as a b*tch but with enough dope it's worth it in the end. :D

[rexspangle]

"5D vs. 5D MkII"
"40D Vs. 5D MkII"
"Does the 1000D have better ISO performance than the 5D MkII"
"Help! I dropped my 5D MkII!"
And of course,
"5D MkII burst rate not hitting xFPS"
Posted by LightRules.

so very true... I have a hard time visiting the eos section cause of all that unstimulating crap... but to each his own I find myself reading in this rumours section quite often and it is strangely addictive, repetative, frustrating, interesting and boring all at the same time....

[form]

Canon will absolutely have to release a 5D update soon. Rumors boards like this are both a reason and a clear explanation: Too many people are complaining about the 5D needing an update, and there are too many people who know about the rumors and demand results.

[Juan Zas]

The mother of this rumor is this post at DPR (http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1032&thread=28549167&page=1) ... if someody wants to checkout ...

Some explanations more in detail about the rumor here (http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=28551697) ...

[Tee Why]

Yea, no live view. How about dead view for CSI work?
And where is the yogurt dispenser feature?

I think 5D will have even less noise by using a MF sensor with two gigantic hand sized sensor. Yup two pixels with a pixel pitch of 1 per square foot.

[Trainboy]

Yea, no live view. How about dead view for CSI work?
Don't be silly, if there's anything I've learned from the CSI series it's that all CSIs use Nikons.

[lowcrust]

1Ds2 sensor makes sense to me. I pray this is true.

How kind of you to think about those of us unable to revel in the joys of the DsMKIII... =)

[AeroSmith]

How kind of you to think about those of us unable to revel in the joys of the DsMKIII... =)

To heck with all of you. I want one. :p

[ulrikft]

I don't want a 1ds2 sensor, that would mean less iso capability than the d700/d3, right?

I want my 24 1.4 and iso4000 like this:

http://foto.no/bruker/portfolio/37601.jpg (copyright Bjørn Rørslett)

[hughps]

I think everyone is understandably wary of any rumors at this point, but good lord do I hope what that guy is posting is true. I'll trade live view for usable ISO 25600.

[Tee Why]

Was just reading Photography Monthly (UK mag) and they seem to be joining in on the rumor mongering as well with their own little article.
They are stating that they were told 16MP with a new sensor with digic III live view.
3 inch LCD, full weather seals like a 1D and a 6fps IIRC.

Who know... Personally, anything over $1000 or 12mp is too much for me anyway. Maybe if used 5D's get cheaper, I'll consider it.

[Mil]

...
They are stating that they were told 16MP with a new sensor with digic III live view.
3 inch LCD, full weather seals like a 1D and a 6fps IIRC.....

This is reality.

[ulrikft]

If full weather seals, 6fps, high iso capability and similar stuff is real, I'm so getting one :P

[lowcrust]

This is reality.

Yes definitely. In the twilight zone.

[JohnnyG]

Was just reading Photography Monthly (UK mag) and they seem to be joining in on the rumor mongering as well with their own little article.
They are stating that they were told 16MP with a new sensor with digic III live view.
3 inch LCD, full weather seals like a 1D and a 6fps IIRC.

Sounds about just right to me! Now, if the price is right, it's going to be a winner for sure!

[BugEyes]

Was just reading Photography Monthly (UK mag) and they seem to be joining in on the rumor mongering as well with their own little article.
They are stating that they were told 16MP with a new sensor with digic III live view.
3 inch LCD, full weather seals like a 1D and a 6fps IIRC.

Who know... Personally, anything over $1000 or 12mp is too much for me anyway. Maybe if used 5D's get cheaper, I'll consider it.

I hope they are right, just about exactly what I want and I'll get it if the price is below the $4000 I've set aside for a body upgade.

[AdamJL]

Was just reading Photography Monthly (UK mag) and they seem to be joining in on the rumor mongering as well with their own little article.
They are stating that they were told 16MP with a new sensor with digic III live view.
3 inch LCD, full weather seals like a 1D and a 6fps IIRC.

Who know... Personally, anything over $1000 or 12mp is too much for me anyway. Maybe if used 5D's get cheaper, I'll consider it.

Yep, if that's true, I'll be getting one for sure. Guaranteed the IQ won't be worse than the current 5D, even @ 16mp.

[ptomsu]

Yep, if that's true, I'll be getting one for sure. Guaranteed the IQ won't be worse than the current 5D, even @ 16mp.

I hope it is true, I am waiting for one already ..... :rolleyes:

[Trainboy]

Was just reading Photography Monthly (UK mag) and they seem to be joining in on the rumor mongering as well with their own little article.
They are stating that they were told 16MP with a new sensor with digic III live view.
3 inch LCD, full weather seals like a 1D and a 6fps IIRC.

6FPS? When the current 1Ds only gets 5? And the same weathersealing, you say?
I don't trust your magazine's rumours ;)

[sboerup]

Yawn. This is what people have been expecting for over 1 year, the last Aug when we were waiting for the 5D2. Why not add some innovative stuff here.

[gpx4]

Pleaze be patient.

Canon is back on the drawing boards figuring out how to catch up.
Give it another year.

[Pinto]

Pleaze be patient.

Canon is back on the drawing boards figuring out how to catch up.
Give it another year.

Another year? ??? At this rate, by then Nikon will have FF bodies with on-board Quad processors.

[shadowcat]

I can't wait to see what is the real deal to see if I get the 5D mk2 or the 1Ds mk3.

[shadowcat]

6FPS? When the current 1Ds only gets 5? And the same weathersealing, you say?
I don't trust your magazine's rumours ;)

The MK2 should be an in between 1Dmk2 and 1Ds mk3 like more fps than 1Ds mk3 but less than 1D mk3 more pixels than a 1d MK3 but less than a 1Ds mk3 a good combo for general users

[pumaknight]

There is no resaon for the new "5d" to be pegged in spec behind the 1ds mk3.

Nikon have shown that this is not such a big requirement between camera bodies with eh mini D3 aka D700.

I can see Canon pushing the new "5D" as far as their technology will allow and then short lifing teh 1ds mk3 next year.

But that is just me and a gut feeling :-)

I would lvoe the new "5D" to have those sort of specs but with a near to 1 AF system as they can.

[Dragos Jianu]

i agree. for the first time we shouldn't look in Canon's own yard for hints but on the other side of the fence.

[markyb]

seeing as how Nikon have brought a new ff budget body out, d700
i would have thought canon wouldn't want to hang around to long before announcing the 5dmk11
for the 1st time canon have a real competitor on there hands in the budget ff market
so i would guess they would try and compete with Nikon on the price

[cvt01]

$3000 budget body, now that is too funny...

[hai]

The MK2 should be an in between 1Dmk2 and 1Ds mk3 like more fps than 1Ds mk3 but less than 1D mk3 more pixels than a 1d MK3 but less than a 1Ds mk3 a good combo for general users

should the 5d replacement be better than the 1dmk3, it'll be weird to call it 5dmk2. think about it, a mk2 trumps over a mk3?

[lowcrust]

should the 5d replacement be better than the 1dmk3, it'll be weird to call it 5dmk2. think about it, a mk2 trumps over a mk3?

That's why Canon is in a weird situation over Nikon now. Something more than a mere 5D mkII (in terms of models) is needed now.

[Busto]

$3000 budget body, now that is too funny...
I hear you...

[AdamJL]

Was just reading Photography Monthly (UK mag) and they seem to be joining in on the rumor mongering as well with their own little article.
They are stating that they were told 16MP with a new sensor with digic III live view.
3 inch LCD, full weather seals like a 1D and a 6fps IIRC.

Who know... Personally, anything over $1000 or 12mp is too much for me anyway. Maybe if used 5D's get cheaper, I'll consider it.

Which issue was this? I've just had a read of PM (didn't buy it as it's utter rubbish) but didn't see the article?

[-hh]

$3000 budget body, now that is too funny...

It depends on what you're doing with it.

For example, I do underwater photography and my old 35mm Nikonos V system - - - which over the years, I've put over $5000 into - - - is in need of another $500 worth of 'repairs' to keep it going. As such, its a good time to finally upgrade to digital, so as to avoid that $500 expense.

But consider the full cost of going to UW digital with a dSLR:

$1600 - for a "frugal" (Ikelite) dSLR housing*
$500 - for 8" dome port for above housing
$650 - for a good WA lens (eg, 17-40 if FF, or 10-22 if Crop Body)
$800 - first Ikelite DS-160 strobe head**
$800 - second Ikelite DS-160 strobe head**
$300 - strobe arms for above strobe head pair
$150 - one strobe charger for above (should really get two)
$200 - strobe synch cords (no spare cord)

* - other brands cost more (eg, $3K-$5K for a cast aluminum housing)
** - a 20% step down in power from what I have now (dual Ikelite SS-200's)

--------
$5,000 subtotal (before any dSLR camera body)

So at this point is the difference between dropping another $1K for a 40D, or $2K for a 5D, or $3K for a 5DMk2 really all that profound? Before we jump to say that a $1K difference is significant, keep in mind that there's going to be roughly another $400 added on to the total, just for my local 7% sales tax, as well as other "miscellaney".

There's also another factor in that whatever dSLR I put in the housing, I'm going to have to live with it for (hopefully many) years before the eventual upgrade cycle, which will of course involve another healthy chunk of change.

Since a ~3 year old 5D will effectively become "obsolete" by newer products far sooner than a newer camera, this means that saving $1K versus a 5DMk2 is utterly negligible: the system would have to be not in need of any upgrades for ~7 years in order to really make a difference. As such, it pays for me to wait (and pay more) for the newer revision.

Of course, the only problem is that I have a dive trip scheduled for this fall, and there's no way that the new 5D ... and the aftermarket housing that I'll need for it ... will be available in time. Not many good options left, except for Canon+Ikelite calling me up and offering me a preproduction evaluation unit...not very likely at all!

Granted, there will be some who might suggest getting a good P&S system instead. But I already have one (an A80 with Canon UW housing) and while its dated, it does reveal the shortcomings of these systems that I'll have to investigate further before finding a true equal to a Nikonos with a 15mm prime and dual strobes - - there's reasons why that configuration was a mainstay for decades.


-hh

[Busto]

Not a lot of people shoot UW though.

[-hh]

Not a lot of people shoot UW though.

True, but when you start to talk about any step up in equipment from generic "consumer grade" stuff, the purchasers generally will have to have some reason for why they're spending more.

If its not UW, it could be that it is to go on an African safari, or to the Galapagos, etc. Its not that a generic P&S can't do anything in such a setting, but this consumer wants that "notch up" for his own personal reasons. As such, while the direct hardware cost might be less, the trip cost may not necessarily be cheap.

For example, two round trip coach airline tickets from New York City to Dar Es Salaam Tanzania runs from $5,000 (2+ stops). Add to that all of the costs of going on safari once you get there...for mid-level accomodations at fly-in camps for ~10 days, that would probably be another $10K, so your trip's cost is in the $15K+ range.

At this point, an extra $1K for camera equipment is only a 7% variation ... same range as sales tax and close to getting "lost in the noise" of the trip's total expenses, particularly since the camera gear won't disappear after the trip is over.


-hh

[TheHoff]

lol @ 7% variation & noise... I love statistics and logic for rationalization.

[virus]

Was just reading Photography Monthly (UK mag) and they seem to be joining in on the rumor mongering as well with their own little article.
They are stating that they were told 16MP with a new sensor with digic III live view.
3 inch LCD, full weather seals like a 1D and a 6fps IIRC.

Who know... Personally, anything over $1000 or 12mp is too much for me anyway. Maybe if used 5D's get cheaper, I'll consider it.Did it mention anything about Full Frame???

[sam T]

cant wait cant wait

[lowcrust]

Did it mention anything about Full Frame???

Yeah I heard the 5D mkII will have the Four Thirds mount with 2x crop factor. Too bad. Fullframe seemed like a logical choice for that model.

[Dragos Jianu]

Yeah I heard the 5D mkII will have the Four Thirds mount with 2x crop factor. Too bad. Fullframe seemed like a logical choice for that model.

Are you kidding ? Four thirds is BEST for digital! About time Canon took a revolutionary leap! :p

[Pete W]

Are you kidding ? Four thirds is BEST for digital! About time Canon took a revolutionary leap! :p

I heard it would be Eight Sixth mount with 4x crop factor......


These threads do make me laugh :lol:

[CoolToolGuy]

Are you kidding ? Four thirds is BEST for digital! About time Canon took a revolutionary leap! :p

Methinks you have been reading too much Olympus propaganda. . . :lol:

Have Fun,

[Trainboy]

This thread is now officially making me cry.

[cbh76]

Which issue was this? I've just had a read of PM (didn't buy it as it's utter rubbish) but didn't see the article?

Sounds like Popular Photography! :D

Yeah, I said it. Any editors from that rag hanging aroung the thread care to defend it?

[fr3d]

That rumor is based on the 5D II field guide which was a database mistake ... this is old news reheated guys.

[Beaufort 12]

Sometimes it's advantageous to take one's crystal ball and throw it out into the ocean.

I like the ocean.

It takes care of things in its own way.

[Beaufort 12]

Are you kidding ? Four thirds is BEST for digital! About time Canon took a revolutionary leap! :p

Out the window, I guess.

Which floor?

[Justin_Thyme]

Regardless of what they do they need to do something.
The 5D in its current state is very old news at this point being released over 3 years ago. Thats very old technology in the digital realm.
Personally I have always viewed the 5D as a joke anyhow. For a budget body there is nothing budget about its cost. Better results can be had with a 40D and a wider lens or take a few steps backwards for half the price.
I dont think it will be given a "MK" brand. The EOS 1 series are known by the "MK"
I would put my money on 5DII or 6D.

[majkid]

I just want this bastard to come out so I can decide whether or not Im a buy one.


LOL. My sentiments also. I have £2000 burning a hole in my pocket.

[AdamJL]

Regardless of what they do they need to do something.
The 5D in its current state is very old news at this point being released over 3 years ago. Thats very old technology in the digital realm.
Personally I have always viewed the 5D as a joke anyhow. For a budget body there is nothing budget about its cost. Better results can be had with a 40D and a wider lens or take a few steps backwards for half the price.
I dont think it will be given a "MK" brand. The EOS 1 series are known by the "MK"
I would put my money on 5DII or 6D.

Lol, that's got nothing to do with wide-angle. You can't get the same effect from a UWA no matter how much you take a step back.

[Colorblinded]

Lol, that's got nothing to do with wide-angle. You can't get the same effect from a UWA no matter how much you take a step back.
Indeed. I remember someone else on this forum saying that focal length is not a compositional tool! The hell it isn't! :lol:

[Neilyb]

For a budget body there is nothing budget about its cost. Better results can be had with a 40D and a wider lens or take a few steps backwards for half the price.

I have not seen one shot that actually proves that, so why people keep saying it is beyond me, maybe they listen to the marketing? :evil:

[Dragos Jianu]

Personally I have always viewed the 5D as a joke anyhow. For a budget body there is nothing budget about its cost. Better results can be had with a 40D and a wider lens or take a few steps backwards for half the price.


You are kidding, right ? :rolleyes: You must be kidding, please tell us you are :rolleyes:

[AinsworthPhoto]

I guess it'd be like pregnancy. Painful as a b*tch but with enough dope it's worth it in the end. :D

:lol:

[jbuk1975]

Personally I have always viewed the 5D as a joke anyhow. For a budget body there is nothing budget about its cost. Better results can be had with a 40D and a wider lens or take a few steps backwards for half the price.
I dont think it will be given a "MK" brand. The EOS 1 series are known by the "MK"
I would put my money on 5DII or 6D.


5D a budget body! since when?

ive heard one or 2 say the 40d IQ can be comparable in quality to the 5d sometime but ive heard more people say the 5d still kicks its ass

MK isnt a brand its simply to denominate the version , MK = mark

the body in your sig is the 1D "mark" 2 or the 2nd release of the 1D model

so the 5DII as you put it is still the 5D mkII

[rexspangle]

Regardless of what they do they need to do something.
The 5D in its current state is very old news at this point being released over 3 years ago. Thats very old technology in the digital realm.
Personally I have always viewed the 5D as a joke anyhow. For a budget body there is nothing budget about its cost. Better results can be had with a 40D and a wider lens or take a few steps backwards for half the price.
I dont think it will be given a "MK" brand. The EOS 1 series are known by the "MK"
I would put my money on 5DII or 6D.

Of course you can't get away with this type of comment... any negative comment towards the 5d is viewed as blasphemy by those who believe it is perfect in every way.... There is some truth to what you are saying..

However, yeah maybe it is old technology but I get better results than my old 35mm film camera so who cares... as far as I am concerned digital cameras have surpassed film and film was good enough for the longest time.

I don't think the 5d is a joke. But I see where you are coming from since it is a bit overrated...but not a budget body. Just because it isn't officialy a "pro" body doesn't mean a budget body.... I don't really even consider the 40d a budget body. The 40d is good but it came out how much longer after the 5d and I personally have yet to see a solid example proving one is better than the other. I am of the belief they are very close and I work with 5d and 40d raw files quite often. But I don't know how you could say better results with the 40d?

But I do agree an upgrade is due...

[fr3d]

lol @ 7% variation & noise... I love statistics and logic for rationalization.
And I love your avatar :lol:

[VTSHEP1]

5D a budget body! since when?

ive heard one or 2 say the 40d IQ can be comparable in quality to the 5d sometime but ive heard more people say the 5d still kicks its ass


I think i need to learn the difference also because i dont see it. I used to use an 20D exclusively, I have been using a 5D since early spring. I havent seen any real difference to speak to when compairing the IQ to a 20D. More MP, thats it, i havent seen lower noise (and i shoot mostly low light). I have also been blowing up the images very large.

I heard a rumor that the sensor on a 5D is identical to that of a 20D, just larger, is that true? the math almost works out perfectly between sensor size and MP difference.

[randplaty]

Never shot with a 20D before... but our 5D kicks our 40D's IQ all up and down the block. The color difference, clarity, noise, its all there and VERY easy to see when you compare side by side.

Not to mention fullframe is fullframe. Your lenses actually behave like they are supposed to. Shoot with a 24L on a 5D. You can't get that type of image on any crop sensor camera.

[k.sendide]

I personally beleive that if AF issues are fixed for Canon bodies other than the "Pro" ones, especially at low light, there will be 90% less negative comments, as mentionned above, IQ keeps increasing along with technologies improvements, but still, these "old" digital bodies are good enough for most of us as they are as close to, if not better than film cameras who ... well ....
AF remains an issue though, my thoughts ...

[ulrikft]

Just have to link to this: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/672188/0

[VTSHEP1]

Never shot with a 20D before... but our 5D kicks our 40D's IQ all up and down the block. The color difference, clarity, noise, its all there and VERY easy to see when you compare side by side.

Not to mention fullframe is fullframe. Your lenses actually behave like they are supposed to. Shoot with a 24L on a 5D. You can't get that type of image on any crop sensor camera.

I agree, i love my 17-40 on the fullframe, and the 15mm fisheye is nice.

I havent however seen the difference in clarity or noise when compared to the 20D. I feel like i am pulling the same type of shots, i must not be looking close enough?? What specifically should i be looking for?

[danielyamseng]

Once you get the correct exposure, you'll see 5D has lower noise at high ISO and more detail .

[Busto]

You can't get FF DOF with a 40D, neither...

[VTSHEP1]

Once you get the correct exposure, you'll see 5D has lower noise at high ISO and more detail .

You know what, your right i did noticed that almost as soon as i got the camera, i forgot about it since i rarely shoot above ISO 100 or even 50. I can see that being a real benefit for a lot of photogs.

You can't get FF DOF with a 40D, neither...

Now this, i didnt even know about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depth_of_field#DOF_vs._format_size
I shoot mostly urban landscapes, so never really use low f stops, but i am 100% certain people who shoot models and studio will love this. I am glad to be aware of these new (to me) capabilites....what else?

[bluefox9er]

"5D vs. 5D MkII"
"40D Vs. 5D MkII"
"Does the 1000D have better ISO performance than the 5D MkII"
"Help! I dropped my 5D MkII!"
And of course,
"5D MkII burst rate not hitting xFPS"
Posted by LightRules.



and dont forget the classic


"ohh..i did it,i did it, I just ordered my 5d mkII and now waiting for the UPS man to deliver it...ohh ohooohhh..ohhhh I hope he comes before I go to work as I wont be home until after 2, ohhh they usually deliver at 4, don't they? ohhh ohh ohhh"