Best of the best voting: Round 1

[Meghan]

I am Tim's girlfriend. He would like to apologize to the participating members and rest of the forum that he will be absent for a month due to some improper behavior (Please do not discuss this matter here, he just wanted to let you all know that he isn’t dead )



The voting process remains the same. The top three photos will move on. Tim says "I gave everyone a chance to agree on a voting process, this turned into nothing but a fight and i was forced come up with my own, changing it now is not possible, sorry". He also wanted to point out how the results look in the first poll, he wanted to pick the three winners, and as of right now there are three clear leaders.



Remember that we are voting on "The best image". From the start Tim made it clear that he did not mean the best image technically. Rather you should vote on whichever image most impresses you (this will often include the technical aspects of the photo, but they should not be the only aspects).

For these first rounds you will only be able to select one image, that will eventually change.

Images can be viewed here:
http://www.pbase.com/timmyquest/best_of_the_best (http://www.pbase.com/timmyquest/best_of_the_best)
Meghan :-D

****************** EDIT ******************* links to additional rounds added by request

Be Sure and VOTE in each additional round as they come up;

ROUND TWO (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=54472)

ROUND THREE (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=54473)

ROUND FOUR (http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=54476)

[aam1234]

Ouch! this ten only choice is really unfair. There are at least 3 photos that are really outstanding from the above group. What if in the later rounds we get 10 average photos? that means an "average" photo has replaced an outstanding one.

I think in the first rounds we should select from all the photos, then when the number becomes less we use the"ten choices" (when many photos have been eliminated). Just my opinion.

[mattchase]

I understand the complexity of having all the images available to vote on at one time, but also agree with aam that doing 10 at a time may not be the best way.

That said, I don't know what a better (or realistic) way of doing it would be, so I put in my vote. :)

PS. Thanks for doing this!

[JK]

Why not have people submit their TOP 5 in order ?

The number one photo gets 5 points, number 2 gets 4 points and so on until the last one, which will get one point. Then sum them all up for all entries and you'll have determined a winner via a reasonably fair method.

[mattchase]

That method sounds good, it would give fair results. How many to pick could be up for argument (is 5 too many? not enough? etc...). The problem though is that it would require some one (or 2 or 3 people) to manually count every vote from every posting, and add them all up. This would be prone to error (think Florida), and worse, would take a lot of manual effort by those counters. If only 20 people were to vote, then it might not be such a big effort, but if as many people vote as entered the competition, there would be a lot of numbers to keep track of.

If there are those willing to do the counting, then I am all for a method like this.

[CyberDyneSystems]

I'm pretty sure the method for voting was discussed at length last month in other threads,..
I'm not sure changing how votes come in after beginning the process is a great plan ...

I am however confused as to why only one poll of ten should run at a time? I assumed all the groups of 10 would go up at the same time.. thus making only two rounds of votes.. the preliminaries (votes of ten like this one) and then all the winners pitted against eachother in a last vote.

This one poll closes on Jan 25.. does that mean we have to wait till Jan 25 before the next group of ten goes up?

Just curious.

[Ed Rotberg]

I too am confused by this. First of all if it's gong to take 8 or 9 polls in total to get the final results, and, the polls are run in sequence, a lot of people are going to lose interest. Additionally, it may make it hard for individuals to get their votes in. For example, between February 4th and the 14th, there is no way that I will be able to vote, let alone look at images.

If the voting must be done this way (and I don't think it needs to be), please run the "first heets" simlutaneously.

Secondly, I agree about the arbitrary division of the groups being a problem. I too would vote for more than one in this group (only 2 though), but cannot. I supposed it is also expected that I should vote for a photo in a different group, even if I don't feel that any of the photos in said group are worthy to go forward. This is simply wrong.

Please rethink this method of running the contest.

= Ed =

[Mills]

This has been discussed. Be very careful that it does not turn into a Fiasco. Remember, this is supposed to be fun. The images are all excellent, Hell, I am not sure I can put mine in the top HALF!.

[ENIAC]

Ouch! this ten only choice is really unfair. There are at least 3 photos that are really outstanding from the above group. What if in the later rounds we get 10 average photos? that means an "average" photo has replaced an outstanding one.

I think in the first rounds we should select from all the photos, then when the number becomes less we use the"ten choices" (when many photos have been eliminated). Just my opinion.

i agree completly

[shniks]

Three of the shots in this list would have been in my top 5, so I agree with others saying that maybe the contest is a little unfair. I think it has something to do with the photographers feeling confident about their shots and submitting them early, so some really wonderful shots are in this first lot.
I voted anyway - I just hate to see some of the best not even make it into the top 3.

[Penguin_101_1]

This has been talked about, he set it up, he will (tell his girlfriend to;)) do the polls as he wants.

[Meghan]

OK. I was not around when he discussed the way of voteing with everyone but he did explain what he was going to do and it made sence to me. I can't change anything unless he tells me to. So just hang in there.

Meghan :)

[mdclaros]

let's do round two!!!

[roanjohn]

I voted!!!! What's next??

EDIT:

Why can't we have two or three more of these threads running??:

So we'll have 3 threads with a group of 10 photos in each thread.

........then the best will be moved up after one/two weeks.

........and so forth.

Ro1

[Mills]

Interesting. Only 34 votes as of right now. 70 or so images :o So many people here on the forum. Guess people are not as interested as I had anticipated. :cry:

[JulianoL]

I did my part and voted in all 4 rounds.

Note to moderator: is it possible to create a sticky as before to the 4 rounds?

[CyberDyneSystems]

Links added to first post. ;)
These are all sticky btw...

[Meghan]

Tim is moving each set of 10 images into their own gallery, it should be done shortly and will make voting easier. Thanks!


Meghan:)

[Ed Rotberg]

So I'm sill confused as to why we are not voting on each subdivision at the same time. Are people here that terribly challenged that they can't handle more than 4 small galleries at once? Are we trying to draw out the voting to increase excitement? (*rolls eyes*)

Forgive me for my audacity, but this makes absolutely no sense to me.

= Ed =

[Penguin_101_1]

Ok, here goes. Tim thought of this idea at the beginning of summer. He set it up, he designed it, HE DID ALL OF THE WORK. He has spent a lot of time entering text, making pages, ect. It is his choice on how to do it. If you don't like it, don't vote.

[Meghan]

Thank you Penguin. I was trying to say that earleir. I understand what you guys are saying about making this a long process but Tim asked for your guys imput and he has it all worked out. Can't change anything now anyways so you will just have to do it the way he has it all set up.


Meghan:)

[Ed Rotberg]

Ok, here goes. Tim thought of this idea at the beginning of summer. He set it up, he designed it, HE DID ALL OF THE WORK. He has spent a lot of time entering text, making pages, ect. It is his choice on how to do it. If you don't like it, don't vote.
Kudos to Tim. I appreciate that he did all of the work, and I appreciate the work that he did. If the answer to my reasonable questions is that HE WANTS IT THAT WAY, then that is as valid an answer as my question were.

Your "If you don't like it, don't vote" is, however, not a very mature response. The questions are legitimate, and you did nothing towards answering them. I have valid reasons for my questions, and "taking your ball and going home" isn't a valid response, IMHO. My questions in no way invalidates anything Tim did, not would I want to do that.

The option of voting on all sub-galleries at one time, instead of stringing them out, seems to me to be valid as well. Sorry Meghan, but I see no technical reasons why that can't be set up, just as you added the groups 2-4 after the fact. I don't see how it's too late to change that.

Now, as to whether or not it SHOULD be changed, that was the real point of my question. I still stand by my earlier statements. Heck put up a poll to see if I'm out of line for asking for a reasonable answer instead of a childish rant. I'll be happy to withdraw my votes and my entry if that's what is decided. I just don't need to be ranted at when I ask a legitimate question.

As to why I am interested in seeing it changed: I will be out of the country, in an area that has no Internet (no phones, electricity by generator only) in a couple of weeks. Dragging this voting out will mean that I won't have input to the later stages. Not the end of the world, but as I see it, not something that has to be.

All IMHO. YMMV.

= Ed =

[Meghan]

I can not do anything that Tim does not tell me to do. When he had me post the first poll he told me that we may post others shortly based on feedback. The overwhelming feedback made him to decide to post the rest of the first half.


The reason he doesn’t want 8 polls running at one time is because he feels it will get too disorganized. Also, as I already said earlier, he wants the images to have the same amount of time on display. The second half the images where on there about half as long.


Even if this doesn’t matter in the long run, it is how he wants to run the contest and it is how I’m going to do it (because I’m at his house and he is telling me to do so and if i dont listen to him he tickles me! :evil: ).



He gave everyone a chance to voice their opinions, i never actually saw the discussion but from what i understand it turned into a rather large feud and many members told him just to do it how he felt it was best.



The last part of your reply is what is really upsetting him and it isn’t just you. I think he's feeling that everyone who is complaining is doing so because they arn't getting their way. He just cant please everyone, and that’s ok just so long as he makes me happy .



So sorry if anything about this contest makes you mad, but don’t take it out on me, I’m just a messenger! I know how much time he has spent putting all of this together and how much it means to him. So please, dont fight. And it is supose to be fun, so just enjoy it!


Meghan http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif

[Ed Rotberg]

I can not do anything that Tim does not tell me to do. When he had me post the first poll he told me that we may post others shortly based on feedback. The overwhelming feedback made him to decide to post the rest of the first half.


The reason he doesn’t want 8 polls running at one time is because he feels it will get too disorganized. Also, as I already said earlier, he wants the images to have the same amount of time on display. The second half the images where on there about half as long.


Even if this doesn’t matter in the long run, it is how he wants to run the contest and it is how I’m going to do it (because I’m at his house and he is telling me to do so and if i dont listen to him he tickles me! :evil: ).



He gave everyone a chance to voice their opinions, i never actually saw the discussion but from what i understand it turned into a rather large feud and many members told him just to do it how he felt it was best.



The last part of your reply is what is really upsetting him and it isn’t just you. I think he's feeling that everyone who is complaining is doing so because they arn't getting their way. He just cant please everyone, and that’s ok just so long as he makes me happy .



So sorry if anything about this contest makes you mad, but don’t take it out on me, I’m just a messenger! I know how much time he has spent putting all of this together and how much it means to him. So please, dont fight. And it is supose to be fun, so just enjoy it!


Meghan http://www.photography-on-the.net/forum/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif Thank you for your reasonable answer. I certainly don't need to have things my way. I do appreciate the response to the questions however. I will point out that not everyone partook in the discussion of how the contest should be run, and that is perfectly OK. It should just not be assumed that everyone had a chance to give input. Of course, those who did not give input are properly out of luck at this time.

Certainly, if Tim has ANY sort of reason for running the contest strung out, then that is fine and reasonable. I was asking for answers and I finally got them. Much more reasonably than the Penguin chose respond (which was basically telling me I had no right to question anything!)

I'm definitely not mad at either Tim or you, Meghan. While Penguin ticked me off a bit, I'm not even very mad at him.

You can't please everyone in any effort of this sort, and I appreciate that. It does help to understand the rationale - thanks again for enlightening me.

= Ed =

[Penguin_101_1]

Thank you for your reasonable answer. I certainly don't need to have things my way. I do appreciate the response to the questions however. I will point out that not everyone partook in the discussion of how the contest should be run, and that is perfectly OK. It should just not be assumed that everyone had a chance to give input. Of course, those who did not give input are properly out of luck at this time.

Certainly, if Tim has ANY sort of reason for running the contest strung out, then that is fine and reasonable. I was asking for answers and I finally got them. Much more reasonably than the Penguin chose respond (which was basically telling me I had no right to question anything!)

I'm definitely not mad at either Tim or you, Meghan. While Penguin ticked me off a bit, I'm not even very mad at him.

You can't please everyone in any effort of this sort, and I appreciate that. It does help to understand the rationale - thanks again for enlightening me.

= Ed =


It wasn't directed at you. It has been building up from a lot of diffrent members saying it was unfair, ect. It was just the (*rolls eyes*) that kind of pushed me over the edge ;) and I didn't read the whole thread. You got the most of the heat from being the last post. Sorry

Here is the orginal thread: http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=52024

[Ed Rotberg]

It wasn't directed at you. It has been building up from a lot of diffrent members saying it was unfair, ect. It was just the that kind of pushed me over the edge ;) and I didn't read the whole thread. You got the most of the heat from being the last post. Sorry

Here is the orginal thread: http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=52024
Ahhhh. Then the real problem is that the thread announcing the contest made no mention of how the voting was to be done. All of this info was in another thread in a totally different area of these forums, and I saw absolutely no reference to that thread until this.

It would have probably simplified Tim's life a bit (and others') had the following been included in initial post of every thread about this contest:
Here is what we're doing:

We are going to have several threads with polls.

There will be say, two a week. The top 3 photos out of 10 will be selected for the next "round" We will continue to do this until there are 10 photos left.

Bottom line. Just my 2 cents.

= Ed =

[Penguin_101_1]

Ahhhh. Then the real problem is that the thread announcing the contest made no mention of how the voting was to be done. All of this info was in another thread in a totally different area of these forums, and I saw absolutely no reference to that thread until this.

It would have probably simplified Tim's life a bit (and others') had the following been included in initial post of every thread about this contest:
Just my 2 cents.

= Ed =[/color]
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It isn't her fault. She jumped in and is trying hard to keep this thing going , without her there would be this thread yet. ;)

[Ed Rotberg]

It isn't her fault. She jumped in and is trying hard to keep this thing going , without her there would be this thread yet. ;)
I wasn't referring soley to the voting threads. The thread referenced in the announcements posted in several forums, http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=51316 made no mention of the voting rules either. I wasn't laying blame or pointing fingers. I was just observing that it would have been expedient to add that information - especially in the thread that everyone who followed the other pointers would end up reading.

= Ed =

[Meghan]

I wasn't referring soley to the voting threads. The thread referenced in the announcements posted in several forums, http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=51316 made no mention of the voting rules either. I wasn't laying blame or pointing fingers. I was just observing that it would have been expedient to add that information - especially in the thread that everyone who followed the other pointers would end up reading.

= Ed =
That was not the voting thread, the voting thread was posted a while ago in a differnt forum ;)

Meghan :D

[Meghan]

Tim would like to apologize. "A member emailed me an image on 12-28-04. Somehow i did not download this image to my computer but i did move it to a folder i created in Yahoo mail for the contest. Since it was entered before the 1-15-05 deadline, it will be entered to the contest".

Now that there are 81 entries the voting will be changed slightly. To accommodate the remaining 41 photos he has decided to continue to take the top three with the following format

One poll of 9 and four of 8. Any photo that is tied for third in ANY OF THE POLLS will also be moved on.

He would like to know if this bothers anyone. And of course feels extremely bad.

Meghan :)

[CeeCee]

Isn´t it uneven competition - to have 4 voting catalogues online and the rest of the photos not up for voting

[Penguin_101_1]

Isn´t it uneven competition - to have 4 voting catalogues online and the rest of the photos not up for voting
We are going to vote on those next week. The top (I think) 3 will move up to a second comp.

[morpheus]

yes it is, one of the weirdest competitions i've ever participated :-). But who cares, it's Tim's business, it's his idea so he can decide. A great "Bravo" to Tim. SO GO FOR IT GUYS!

Isn´t it uneven competition - to have 4 voting catalogues online and the rest of the photos not up for voting

[Buttkicker]

This competition has the most odd voting system I have ever come accross on the net

[Meghan]

This competition has the most odd voting system I have ever come accross on the net
He gave everyone a chance to voice their opinions, i never actually saw the discussion but from what i understand it turned into a rather large feud and many members told him just to do it how he felt it was best.

I have never participated in a contest before online, and i'm pretty sure Tim has never run one, especially with 81 photos.

It's a learning expierence for all :D

Meghan :)

[Penguin_101_1]

This is no diffrent than the United States voting system.

You vote for the republican (and so on) runner, then they run for the office.

[Meghan]

Voting on this poll will end in five hours, the 5th poll will be put up now.

[Mills]

Just curious, are you taking them in bunches of 8 with the last bunch 9 to account for the extra picture or the other way around?