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check_this
18th of January 2005 (Tue), 08:16
I have the 20D with the 18-55mm kit lens. I am considering either the 17-40 L versus the 24-70L for general use and at a later time I will purchase a 100mm macro. Which of the 2 zoom lenses is best overall for alll-purpose use?

Olegis
18th of January 2005 (Tue), 08:30
That depends on your definition of "all-purpose" :cool:
I like the Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 (would buy the Canon 24-70 instead, if I had the money), Canon 50mm f/1.8 and Tokina 17mm for wide-angle pictures.

Personally, I would keep the kit lens and buy something longer for starters - 100mm Macro or even some 70-200 f/4.

pierrot
18th of January 2005 (Tue), 08:37
I agree with Oleg. Although not an L class lens, the 18-55 kit zoom is a decent piece of glass for general purpose shooting.
I then choosed the 100 macro because it's... a 100mm (160 equiv.) AND a macro lens (clever, isn't it?) and also the 50 f/2.8 for it's unbeatable perf/price ration for portraits in natural (low) light.

Longwatcher
18th of January 2005 (Tue), 08:56
If you have to pick between those two I would go with 24-70L as it will add to your range and it is a better general prupose lens.

However, you already have a decent general purpose lens, so I would work on expanding the range first and then go back and improve the aperture and quality. And in the long term I would consider the 16-35 or 10-22 over the 17-40 as these would give you significantly more range over the 18-55. The 100 macro would be a better choice or maybe also consider the 70-200/4.

Just my opinion,

paulhillion
18th of January 2005 (Tue), 09:03
If you can afford the 24-70L then IMO that would be your best bet. At the time I couldn't afford the 24-70 & went for the 17-40L, it's rarely off my camera!

mdr
18th of January 2005 (Tue), 09:18
It all depends on your photography. What sub range on your 18-55mm do you use most? Is it 18-40 or 24-70mm? That should give you a very good indication.

The 17-40mm L equates to 27-64mm which is what I would call a standard zoom, similar to the 24-70mm L on a full frame camera. The 24-70mm L equates to 38-112mm which doesn't give you much scope on the wide angle.

38-xxmm lenses were run of the mill over a decade ago. They have now become obsolete as everyone tends to need a wider angle, 28mm at minimum, 24mm or wider preferable.

Remeber also it's easier to take a step forward to 'zoom' in than to take several step backwards to get a wider angle.

Redbird_xo
18th of January 2005 (Tue), 09:19
17-40 is a ultra wide-angle zoom and 24-70 is a wide-angle zoom. Dosen't the terminology suggest something? But of course there's about $400 price difference. If $400 won't break a heart, 24-70 will be a better "general purpose" lens, IMO.

mdr
18th of January 2005 (Tue), 11:33
I agree with your choice when it comes to a film or full frame sensor camera. For the 20D (see original question), I disagree. The 17-40mm is better due to the 1.6x conversion factor of the 20D, being effectively the same as the 24-70mm for full frame.

CyberDyneSystems
18th of January 2005 (Tue), 12:10
All purpose for me is a 100-400mm IS ;)
Obviously imho "crop factror" has no bearing on it other than I get a longer 400mm ;)

My point being,. that different people and different applications will profit from different lenses... there is no all purpose,..

And no one lens is best at being "All purpose" because the purposes are too diverse.

We can make our recomendations based on our needs and experience,. but NO ONE is more "right" on this than anyone else.

Deckyon
18th of January 2005 (Tue), 12:33
I agree with your choice when it comes to a film or full frame sensor camera. For the 20D (see original question), I disagree. The 17-40mm is better due to the 1.6x conversion factor of the 20D, being effectively the same as the 24-70mm for full frame.
I don't agree. I have the 16-35 f/2.8L and the 24-70 f/2.8L and I use the 24-70 at least 2x as much as the 16-35 (which is still an awesome lens) for everyday shooting. If I only take one lens out of the house (on either the 1DMkII or 20D) it is the 24-70 The conversion factor only affects the field of view (FOV), not the reach of the lens.

That, and I have heard (and seen in my own shots) that the 24-70 is the sharpest zoom lens in the EOS line. I cannot give hard proof, just hearsay from different places both on the net and at the camera stores here in town.

It really all depends on what you are planning on doing in the long run. Not just three months from now. I bought my lenses so I can reach from 16mm to 560mm. Good luck.

check_this
18th of January 2005 (Tue), 13:33
I bought the camera to take medical pictures in the operating room. That being said, what I usually use it for is to take pictures of my son playing sports or of nice scenery when I visit places. Although ideally I would use a macro lens for the OR, a telephoto for sports and something else when sightseeing I would prefer to use 1 lens everything then add other lenses as I gain experience.

Deckyon
18th of January 2005 (Tue), 13:41
Well, the 24-70 offers Macro focusing range for up close imaging. I have used mine with a close-up lens and have gotten great photos.

The 24-70 is an awesomely versitle lens. I do not think it is something you could go wrong with.

KevC
18th of January 2005 (Tue), 13:43
Sorry for threadcrapping, but is the 20D kit lens the same as the Digital Rebel kit lens? Mine is also 18-55mm methinks....

tim
18th of January 2005 (Tue), 14:02
I find the Tamron 28-75 excellent, but I often wish for a les that was just a bit longer. If the Canon 28-135IS were faster i'd get that instead.

Olegis
18th of January 2005 (Tue), 15:30
I sometimes wish that my Tamron would be a little bit wider :) Well, I guess that I can't have it all ...

Nic
19th of January 2005 (Wed), 12:12
I agree with CyberdyneSystems - it depends what you want to shoot. When I am shooting wildlife (amateur) my "all purpose" lens on the 20D is the 70-300mm DO IS, and the "all purpose" on my IDMkII is the 100-400mm IS USM.

Jon, The Elder
19th of January 2005 (Wed), 12:33
KEVC- Yes it is the same lens.

Ajay213
19th of January 2005 (Wed), 13:44
The best all around lens? No such thing.

However, with a $1300'ish budget (have no idea if that's what you have or not), I'd buy the Tamron 28-70 and spend the rest on a little kick-ass photo trip ;)

Andrew

MrChad
19th of January 2005 (Wed), 16:04
The ubber pricey 28-300L IS might be a pretty good all around lens. :p

johnellisphotography
19th of January 2005 (Wed), 17:38
Hello, This is my first post. I just returned my 17-40 for the 24-70 and am happy with it. Its heavier and not as wide obviously, but its one heck of a lens. The focal range is perfect for people photography, portraits and fashion. The build quality is very nice too. If you shoot indoors at all, youll soon notice just how nice it is to be able to let in twice as much light. Image stabilization technology just cant compare to raw aperature for low light photography since people can move quite a bit in just 1/4th of a second. With the signal to noise ratio of the 20D, this allows for some great flexibility. Also, when you finally do get around to buying a MKII or 1Ds, this lens will be sufficiently wide for other purposes.

EDITED
I almost forgot, another reason to get the 2.8 lens is depth of field. The 24-70 has great bokeh as the iris blades are almost round up to 5.6. At the tall end at 2.8, you can easily blur a nose and some ears while having the eyes sharp. When going close up on an eye, you can even blur just the tips of the eye lashes. Cant do that with a 5.6 lens.

check_this
20th of January 2005 (Thu), 11:41
Thanks, everybody. I just ordered a 24-70/2.8L from BH and can't wait for it to arrive. My only misgiving is that it seems HUGE.

Jon
20th of January 2005 (Thu), 12:45
It is.

RASphoto
20th of January 2005 (Thu), 21:18
Canon - EF-S 17-85MM F/4-5.6 IS USM Lens

So far this lense has been wonderful for me.