5D Profiles?

[scotteisenphotography]

Alright, so I searched and couldn't find much. I use lightroom....not the second version...but the latest release of the first. Anyways, I'm trying to find presets or ACR profiles for my 5D....I know programs like CaptureONE has them. I dont care if they cost money, i'm just interested in getting my colors spot on. Please link me or whatever to any that you know of that are good!

:lol:

[bacchanal]

You can get them from EJ

http://www.ejphoto.com/acr_order_page.htm

There are others out there if you look though.

[partsman]

Alright, so I searched and couldn't find much. I use lightroom....not the second version...but the latest release of the first. Anyways, I'm trying to find presets or ACR profiles for my 5D....I know programs like CaptureONE has them. I dont care if they cost money, i'm just interested in getting my colors spot on. Please link me or whatever to any that you know of that are good!

:lol:

Before you buy any profiles you might want to download the trial version of Lightroom 2.0 and then add the beta camera calibration profiles that Adobe has introduced. A lot of people are very happy with them, myself included.

[bacchanal]

Before you buy any profiles you might want to download the trial version of Lightroom 2.0 and then add the beta camera calibration profiles that Adobe has introduced. A lot of people are very happy with them, myself included.

Yeah, I'll second that. The profiles for LR 2 make a much bigger difference than anything I've seen for 1.x

[sapearl]

Folks, educate me here as I'm ignorant on the concept of camera profiles.

I see this pop up now and then so perhaps I'm missing some benefit that could be helpful with my 5D. I shoot everything RAW - that breaks down to wedding/event work and then my fine art landscape efforts. For the critical wedding work I will use a white card and then adjust color temp properly in ACR to make sure that the skin tones are correct, and the bride's gown is the correct version of white.

For the landscape work I adjust according to taste. All of the these "adjustments" are initially tweaked with all the sliders in ACR, so I'm not clear where a preset would fit in for my workflow, or how it would benefit. Thanks in advance. - Stu

[bacchanal]

Folks, educate me here as I'm ignorant on the concept of camera profiles.

I see this pop up now and then so perhaps I'm missing some benefit that could be helpful with my 5D. I shoot everything RAW - that breaks down to wedding/event work and then my fine art landscape efforts. For the critical wedding work I will use a white card and then adjust color temp properly in ACR to make sure that the skin tones are correct, and the bride's gown is the correct version of white.

For the landscape work I adjust according to taste. All of the these "adjustments" are initially tweaked with all the sliders in ACR, so I'm not clear where a preset would fit in for my workflow, or how it would benefit. Thanks in advance. - Stu

The "profile" is set in the Calibrate tab in ACR. In LR 1.x you can adjust the sliders and set a default for the camera. The values can be determined by using a test chart and a script or by inputting values from a "profile" that someone has created. This can help with LR 1.x's "different" rendering style.

LR 2 also has downloadable profiles that mimic the Canon Picture Styles as selectable in DPP or in camera jpeg.

[davidcrebelxt]

For me, the preset gets me to a better "starting point" for further edits... its not a magical cure all by any means.

In LR 1.x I could struggle for 10-15-20 minutes trying to get colors back to "normal" or "pleasing" as blues, oranges, reds, and greens would be shifted all over the place. With the new profiles, it may be a simple saturation, vibrance enhancement to get the color I want... usually in 1 or 2 minutes. I don't think there's anything stopping you from shooting a white card, using your dropper and copying that WB setting to your other images after using a preset.

[sapearl]

Ah, thank you bacchanal - that helps out a bit.

I recall seeing that tab in ACR, but I just haven't used it. Other than shooting a test chart, I get the impression then that I create my own "individual" profile for each image that I PP by making my RAW adjustments. I don't use picture styles, but I will create an ACR preset if I have a whole range of shots that were done under the same lighting conditions. I can get ONE right, and then copy those "attributes" over to all the others.

The "profile" is set in the Calibrate tab in ACR. In LR 1.x you can adjust the sliders and set a default for the camera. The values can be determined by using a test chart and a script or by inputting values from a "profile" that someone has created. This can help with LR 1.x's "different" rendering style.

LR 2 also has downloadable profiles that mimic the Canon Picture Styles as selectable in DPP or in camera jpeg.

[sapearl]

David, perhaps you are already doing this, but if not why don't you just shoot in RAW, and then use the eyedropper with either a white card (or gray) or some other appropriate part of the scene to get your balance. This is how I handle my work flow and it goes quite fast.

You could certainly use the preset AND eyedropper, but that seems a little redundant and timeconsuming ...... not bad if you're just doing a few, but it could involve considerable time if you have 400-600 wedding proofs to process.

...... In LR 1.x I could struggle for 10-15-20 minutes trying to get colors back to "normal" or "pleasing" as blues, oranges, reds, and greens would be shifted all over the place. With the new profiles, it may be a simple saturation, vibrance enhancement to get the color I want... usually in 1 or 2 minutes. I don't think there's anything stopping you from shooting a white card, using your dropper and copying that WB setting to your other images after using a preset.

[davidcrebelxt]

That's what I was talking about the way of using grey card... problem is, the color shift improvement from the new profiles and WB are independent I believe.... If I use the WB off the grey card only, my colors are still shifted.

By using one of these profiles on my image and THEN doing the WB, I get good colors and a good wb, right? Or would I first want to use that preset (profile, whatever) on my grey card shot THEN eydropper it, and copy those settings to the images shot under those lighting conditions? Now I'm confused! I just know that WB dropper alone is not enough to correct color shifts without the new profiles.

[bacchanal]

David, perhaps you are already doing this, but if not why don't you just shoot in RAW, and then use the eyedropper with either a white card (or gray) or some other appropriate part of the scene to get your balance. This is how I handle my work flow and it goes quite fast.

You could certainly use the preset AND eyedropper, but that seems a little redundant and timeconsuming ...... not bad if you're just doing a few, but it could involve considerable time if you have 400-600 wedding proofs to process.

Generally when you set a profile it is set as a default, so that all images imported with a certain camera use the profile. Then you would tweak the WB as usual.
It is not redundant or adding a step, it is simply an adjustment to the default camera profile.

LR has problems rendering certain colors which becomes quite evident in certain lighting conditions (like concert lighting). The new LR 2 profiles (in theory), make LR render an image more like DPP. The Camera Neutral and Camera Standard seem to be much better starting points than the default ACR 4.4 profile. Though I admit I haven't spent enough time with LR 2 yet to verify that this is true.

[davidcrebelxt]

Ok...

I didn't set the new Adobe profiles as default yet (I want to play around with profiles first before I apply it to all new images.)

So, would I want to apply the same profile on the gray card shot before I use the eyedropper? Or would that make any difference at all?

Otherwise it looks like we're all doing the same thing... I'm just applying the new profiles manually on image by image basis currently.

[bacchanal]

Ok...

I didn't set the new Adobe profiles as default yet (I want to play around with profiles first before I apply it to all new images.)

So, would I want to apply the same profile on the gray card shot before I use the eyedropper? Or would that make any difference at all?

Otherwise it looks like we're all doing the same thing... I'm just applying the new profiles manually on image by image basis currently.

Yeah, in LR 2 it is easy to do that...in LR 1, it's probably not something you'd want to do manually all the time...so I was sort of trying to speak for both versions.

I'm no expert, but I would say set the profile before doing the WB. It's certainly possible that adjusting the profile would create a color cast since the colors are rendered differently (hue and saturation adjusted presumably). That said you will probably be in the ball park WB wise if you do it the other way around...you may just have to tweak it once the profile is changed.

[René Damkot]

I'm no expert, but I would say set the profile before doing the WB. It's certainly possible that adjusting the profile would create a color cast since the colors are rendered differently (hue and saturation adjusted presumably).

Agree.
For LR 1.4.1, if you have PS, have a look here: Click (http://people.csail.mit.edu/ericchan/dp/acr-color-match/)


Edit: I see the page has been updated, so have a read there, even if you don't have PS ;)

[I Simonius]

I found that the oft mentioned profile (http://www.eos-images.com/colour-management/canon-5d-acr-calibration/) made some reds too pink

so I proffer my own version which has better results on other colours I find - except for skin tones (unless you want a slight tan) - it doesnt hurt the oranges or yellows as I found the one above did

I have upped the saturation a little too high for deadly accurate colour but as far as the images in question taken in full sunlight at 4pm wee concerned it reproduced the colours I wanted and as I remembered them

[darktiger]

I ended up getting a xrite color chart so I can make my own profiles. Takes me only 1 minute with adobe's new tool. Works great.