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tomdlgns
30th of July 2008 (Wed), 16:45
i just got my 10-22 and i want to protect it and get a filter that will have some type of use...other than just protection...

what is a good CPL filter?

i was reading about the CPL filter that canon make and every review said it doesn't allow you to use the canon lens cap...

and that filter was $124.xx.

the last thing i want to spend $$$ is a filter that needs an aftermarket cap.

for starters, i just want a filter to protect the glass, i am assuming they make a plain 'clear' filter.

CPL would be nice to bring out colors.

thanks.

Needsnow
30th of July 2008 (Wed), 16:52
I'd recommend the B+W MRC from HVStar. That's thin enough to not cause a problem on my 10-22mm and is WAY cheaper buying from HVStar.

tomdlgns
30th of July 2008 (Wed), 16:53
I'd recommend the B+W MRC from HVStar. That's thin enough to not cause a problem on my 10-22mm and is WAY cheaper buying from HVStar.

what does the b + w do?

tomdlgns
30th of July 2008 (Wed), 16:54
i just tried googling that filter and all i get are results with the title...

are HVSTAR filters real or fake...

hmmmmm

tomdlgns
30th of July 2008 (Wed), 16:55
http://hvstar.net/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=670

Needsnow
30th of July 2008 (Wed), 17:25
B+W = very good brand name. MRC = Multi-coated. HVStar = Hong Kong filter dealer.

GSansoucie
30th of July 2008 (Wed), 21:40
Be very careful about the filter on the 10-22, you will get vignetting at the wide end with the wrong filter.

tomdlgns
31st of July 2008 (Thu), 08:41
Be very careful about the filter on the 10-22, you will get vignetting at the wide end with the wrong filter.

a little more info on this please....?

are there filters that are KNOWN to cause vignetting?

i just want a nice CPL, that's all. i obviously don't want to get the wrong one, but i have never bought/dealt with filters before.

ben_r_
31st of July 2008 (Thu), 08:57
The B+W F-Pro MRC CPL filters are known around here to NOT vignette on the 10-22. Do some searching, youll find a lot of people here own that exact combo, bought from hvstar and LOVE it!

Rebel_XT_Newbie
31st of July 2008 (Thu), 13:19
You need a filter that is very thin and will see that the B+W filters that are CP thin(slim) are very expensive. Vignettign occurs at the ends of the lens and on the actual picture the corners will appear black. This is because the threads on the filters block the light coming into the lens...

tomdlgns
31st of July 2008 (Thu), 13:22
i was looking at this one.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/133012-REG/B_W_65016930_77_mm_Circular_Polarizer.html

Rebel_XT_Newbie
31st of July 2008 (Thu), 13:30
Just curious if you have tried a polarizer on a wide angle lens? Some people are totally against it and others love the effect it has on pictures... I did not know if you had a chance to try it out before you drop some cash. The only reason why I ask is because I was thinking I had to have a CP filter for my 11-16 Tokina. My buddy let me try it out and I was not pleased w/ the results and it was a high end Hoya filter. The subjects such as houses came out very dark while the sky was partly blue and very dark in the same picture. Wide angles typically don't do well with a polarizer filter, but again, it is all in your preference.

Needsnow
31st of July 2008 (Thu), 13:30
Personally, I don't like the "slim" filters. They don't have front threads for things such as a lens cap, or ND filters.

Rebel_XT_Newbie
31st of July 2008 (Thu), 13:36
Don't disagree, however I was always under the belief that on a wide angle slim was your best chance to avoid vignetting...

Needsnow
31st of July 2008 (Thu), 14:08
I think that you should do some research on how a polarizer impacts the sky, especially, on wide angles. You are going to have quite a noticeable impact on the sky on a really wide angle shot. Check it out. I own the 10-22mm and have the B+W MRC Polarizer and am very happy with the results.

Rebel_XT_Newbie
31st of July 2008 (Thu), 14:23
Opinions vary and as I stated above some like the effects of the uneven darkening of the sky if you are not careful not to mention star burst that can occur. As I also stated, I suggested trying one out before spending the cash to ensure that is the route he wants to go. Here is a decent site that list some of the pro's and con's of using one on a wide angle: http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/polarizers.shtml

So, I have done my research and still stand by the fact that it varies on experience and option on what you want to achieve.

LuckyRobJ
10th of August 2008 (Sun), 12:41
As a 10-22 owner who recently bought a B+W slim CP I would recommend not getting the slim version.

Personally, I don't like the "slim" filters. They don't have front threads for things such as a lens cap, or ND filters.
The slim filter comes with a friction-fit lens cap that continuously falls off. Very annoying.

You need a filter that is very thin and will see that the B+W filters that are CP thin(slim) are very expensive. Vignettign occurs at the ends of the lens and on the actual picture the corners will appear black. This is because the threads on the filters block the light coming into the lens...

Don't disagree, however I was always under the belief that on a wide angle slim was your best chance to avoid vignetting...
Unless you're stacking the CP on another standard thickness filter, you won't notice vignetting. I have a B+W MRC UV filter of standard thickness (has front threads) and I notice no vignetting even at 10mm. If you stack the slim on top of this, you will get vignetting.

msowsun
10th of August 2008 (Sun), 13:28
i just got my 10-22 and i want to protect it and get a filter that will have some type of use...other than just protection...

what is a good CPL filter?

i was reading about the CPL filter that canon make and every review said it doesn't allow you to use the canon lens cap...

and that filter was $124.xx.

the last thing i want to spend $$$ is a filter that needs an aftermarket cap.

for starters, i just want a filter to protect the glass, i am assuming they make a plain 'clear' filter.

CPL would be nice to bring out colors.

thanks.

STOP! Don't buy a Circular Polarizing Filter as a protective filter!

The OP wants a protective filter that you can leave on all the time. A CPL can not be left on all the time. It causes up to 2 stops loss of light! Do you really want to leave that on all the time?

tomdlgns
10th of August 2008 (Sun), 13:42
STOP! Don't buy a Circular Polarizing Filter as a protective filter!

The OP wants a protective filter that you can leave on all the time. A CPL can not be left on all the time. It causes up to 2 stops loss of light! Do you really want to leave that on all the time?

well, i did say that i wanted a CPL, however, after getting all of the responses, i am not sure that i want a CPL...maybe just a protective/clear filter.

Mcooper450
10th of August 2008 (Sun), 14:02
I've gotten several filters and other items from hvstar. Excellent experiences all.