September 22 launch date official

[BugEyes]

According to the editor of the largest photo mag in Sweden there will be a launch the day before photokina in Köln Germany. He got it from Canon and writes about it in his blog.

This is 100% trustworthy information, although it does not say what is to be launched.

Link for those who understand Swedish...
http://www.kamerabild.se/bloggar.asp?inlagg_id=173&show=yes&Blogg_id=31#173

[Anke]

100% trustworthy maybe, but he does say it's speculation in his own words.

Translated:
"22 september, the new cameras from Canon
[Yesterday, 14:35] In August 2005, Canon Eos 5D. Canon tend to drop their yrkeskameror with 3-year intervals, which makes it highly likely that there will be a successor to the Eos 5D. Subsequent will of course have småbildsensor and get AF-ON-button and vädertätning as Eos 40D. The big question is whether Canon will invest in higher resolution or better noise and dynamic range.

Their main Nikon D700 has the same resolution as Eos 5D, and pass the entire ISO 25 600. This is done through a base ISO of 200, and that image quality at ISO 25 600 are allowed to be on the verge of what is useful. With the maintenance of base-iso on iso 100 should be a successor to the Eos 5D cope with the ISO 6400 quality.

More pixels means, as a rule, higher pixel noise compared to the pixel, but at the same print size offset the higher noise of lower magnification. A popular speculation is that Canon 5D-based successor to the sensor of Eos 1D mark III. (Eos 5D parts sensormaterial with Eos 1D mark II N). The larger the surface means more pixels and lower magnification level, that is, in practice, less visible noise. That would mean 16 megapixel.

But do it? Nikon's top D3, D700 and D300 are now very good and also sell thereafter. Canonchefen Roel Lammers told me some time ago that Canon is a little surprised that Canon Eos 40D does not sell better against the Nikon D300 even though they themselves think that the D40 is a very good camera, which also costs less.

It may be that the advanced hobby and professionals today are not as price sensitive and can post some tusenlappar extra to get the best. Then it is not enough to just be a good thing.

Canon simply must do as Nikon recently made and that they themselves made several times in the past, namely, to think again and not just increase old models. The Eos 5D-successor must simply be better than the Nikon D700 in substance.

One difficulty is knowing what is the essential points. Price is clearly not as important as Canon previously thought. Nikon had opted for the ISO performance and disaffection with the highest possible resolution. Can Canon, the old brusmästaren, give Nikon a match and perhaps offer the same low noise at higher resolutions? It would be a killer?

Canon has had three years on them and if they have not thought too ridiculous and miserly, it is enough time to do something really good.

Eos 50D
The disappointment over sales of Eos 40D Canon may have to come up with an Eos 50D right now. Canon tend to keep the 18 months between their konsumentmodeller, but they have several times in the past only waited 12 months.
With a better and more high-resolution screen with a new real batterigrepp with AF-ON-button would Eos 40D easily turn into a more attractive 50D. 12 megapixels is not unthinkable.

Other possible innovations is a bright telezoom like the Nikon 200-400/4. There is a rumour, even if that Eos 1D mark III should be done with a larger sensor that can cope with higher ISO, like the Nikon D3.

All of the above is speculation. How they are well-founded remains to be seen. What do you think? "

[Pinto]

Just what we need. Some official speculation.

[liquefied]

So in other words, september 22 launch date not official.

[BugEyes]

September 22 launch date is official, but what will be launched is still subject to speculation.

[Anke]

September 22 launch date is official, but what will be launched is still subject to speculation.

It does say "All of the above is speculation" so take it with a pinch of salt. Official would mean it came from Canon HQ. Do you have a link to the Canon announcement?

[TheHoff]

Newsflash: Canon will release new products at Photokina.

[BugEyes]

It does say "All of the above is speculation" so take it with a pinch of salt. Official would mean it came from Canon HQ. Do you have a link to the Canon announcement?

If you could read the Swedish you would understand that the date is not speculation. Also he's on a Swedish forum confirming the date to those who ask. He says hat the only firm news is the date. There will be a press conference at september 22 in Köln and that's not speculation and it's the only news I wanted to share in this tread, the rest is still speculation.

[FlyingPhotog]

Well, that means that there should be a press conference in Tokyo on Sept 21 then.
I really don't think Canon would let the Swedish Division trump the home office...

[BugEyes]

It's not the Swedish division, it's the photokina press conference and very international as usual the day before.

[lowcrust]

I'd like to point out that kamerabild.se is a Donald Duck type of site. Even if you don't know Swedish the above "news" should be proof enough. Just like The Hoff points out, the date is "duh" and the rest is "meh". Anke's "pinch of salt" was an understatement.

[joedlh]

[Yawn]

I'll wait for the official press release.

[Mark1]

Great news!!!!!! Somebody should start a thread about this!!!!:rolleyes:

[FlyingPhotog]

Great news!!!!!! Somebody should start a thread about his!!!!:rolleyes:

Oh Damn...

There goes another keyboard. At least it wasn't sweet tea... :lol:

[scokar]

interesting ... any other sources for this: "...Canon is a little surprised that Canon Eos 40D does not sell better against the Nikon D300..."

[Juan Zas]

interesting ... any other sources for this: "...Canon is a little surprised that Canon Eos 40D does not sell better against the Nikon D300..."

Canon drop the price of the 40D ... is it enough ? ... ;)

[AngryCorgi]

Newsflash: Canon will release new products at Photokina.

NO WAY!!




:lol:

[BugEyes]

I will remind myself not to start a tread here again, I will just wake up all the assclowns :(

[form]

The 40D didn't sell as well because the product was deficient in some important numbers. Its autofocus may be extremely good in low light (personal experience), but resolution is a very significant factor and a less than perfect sharpness-per-pixel comment about the 40D from dpreview website stated very plainly one of the issues. For all we know, that could be why the Rebel XSi and XS have lighter antialiasing filters: In response to the assessment of the 40D being a bit soft, and the negative feedback about that.

The D300's high ISO is 6400 to the 40D's 3200 (regardless of performance at that setting, it's absent in the 40D).
The D300's resolution is 12mp to the 40D's 10 (significant again, and a mirror image of the 30D vs. D200, except that the D200 was clearly more noise prone above ISO400).
The autofocus in the D300 is supposed to be the "pro" grade Nikon autofocus system, while the 40D simply has an improved 9-point system (albeit very good).
The D300 has a faster burst mode with a battery grip, 8fps to the 40D's 6.5fps (which seems hard to reach on the 40D for some reason). The D300's RAW buffer is also noticeably better. The 40D has high ISO noise reduction that imitates the D300's built-in noise reduction by greatly reducing chroma noise, but it knocks the 40D's RAW buffer down to Rebel XSi size.
Dpreview's D300 review states that it delivers "crushingly fast write times," to the 40D's "very fast throughput."
At its best, the D300 has slightly better dynamic range than the 40D, showing about 2/3 stop better retention on the highlight end with a similar deficiency on the dark half of the wedge. I would personally take highlight range over shadows because highlights can be brought down without noise, while the same can't be said for bringing up the shadows.
Sharper, higher resolution LCD on the D300.
The D300 has a water and weather-resistant body with multiple seals, not just around the battery and memory doors
Mirror flip and contrast AF modes in live view on the D300.
-1 to 19 EV autofocus on D300; 1 to 18 EV autofocus on 40D.
The D300 has a higher rated shutter life of 150,000, the 40D has 100,000.
D300 has the active D-lighting, similar in concept to Canon's offering in the XSi to bring up shadows. The 40D has something like this only in auto-modes and without any control.

These and many other things I missed (because I may not know about them) are all significant. I know why I've never been fully satisfied with my 40D; all of these things contribute, especially the high ISO setting, highlight range, sharpness per pixel, and sensor resolution). The D300 is, of course, $550 more right now ($1475 at its lowest), but it's also a better offering in many mutually agreed-upon ways (Canon users begrudgingly admit, and Nikon users proudly declare).

Am I switching? Of course not; I'm on a very tight budget all the time and I have too much invested in the Canon range.

[Anke]

I will remind myself not to start a tread here again, I will just wake up all the assclowns :(

I don't think language like that is necessary. We were just pointing out your oversight in the fact that it wasn't official. Please don't let it stop you posting things to POTN but perhaps not the language.

[surfjungle]

I will remind myself not to start a tread here again, I will just wake up all the assclowns :(

I don't want to jump on the "assclown" bandwagon but here are a few things to ponder:
The alleged "writer", Magnus Fröderberg is not a Canon employee
Canon have not made any official announcement
The first line of the last paragraph does translate (using google) to "All of the above is speculation".
The tone of the article, however poorly translated, is that of speculation.I noticed that your locations is "Sweden" - it may be that you are taking peoples comments too personally. Looking at the previous comments by other POTN'ers, I don't think anybody is being unreasonable. The tone of those, including myself is pessimism - which is to be expected after so many rumours over the last year.

If you could read the Swedish you would understand that the date is not speculation. Also he's on a Swedish forum confirming the date to those who ask. He says hat the only firm news is the date. There will be a press conference at september 22 in Köln and that's not speculation and it's the only news I wanted to share in this tread, the rest is still speculation.

One does not have to be able to read Swedish to see that there is currently no Canon press release detailing a 5D successor.
If I go onto the flat earth society forums, they will confirm to me that the earth is flat.
I can confirm the Photokina dates http://photokina.en.koelnmesse.info/thefair/dates_opening_times.php, so I assume you are typing about a "Canon" conference, which again is in itself, speculation - see my previous points above Perhaps something we can all agree on is that Canon will release one to many items at Photokina. As to what those are, still remains a mystery to us all.

[Mark1]

I will remind myself not to start a tread here again, I will just wake up all the assclowns :(


There is that. But after 6 months of the same thread returning over and over, I thought we all would have known to just wait it out by now. there is a new5D2 thread at least twice a week it seems. Not one of them so far has been confirmable.

The only sure thing I have seen.... and even that may have been a PR stunt..... Is Amazon had a book up for sale about the 5D MkII. With a ship date of November I think it was. It has since been taken down.

[theflyingkiwi]

Newsflash: Canon will release new products at Photokina.

are you sure, that in itself might be a rumor :lol:

[GMCPhotographics]

I found my old 20d to yield sharper images than my 40D. The pixel quality from a 40D is a little soft, especially when i compare the IQ to my 5D.

The lack of full weather sealing was a big dissapointment on the 40D, as is the lack of real AF development on the XXD range. The current 9 point AF system is very good and now well developed, but on a spec sheet, it looks inferior to Nikon's D300 / D700 AF offerings.

The biggest issue that I see for the 40D was the poor 10mp chip. Nikon used a 12mp chip and Canon stuck to 10mp. Even Canon's cheaper 450D/XSi boasts a better chip than the 40D.

Is it no wonder the 40D didn't sell as well as Canon hoped?
Which is a pity, because it's a fine camera but it's really the camera that the 30D should have been, several years earlier.
in a straight market fight between 2 identically placed cameras, Nikon has more brand cache than Canon. So it needs to offer a stronger product to win the market share. It really shows that Canon have goofed on their XXD range for the last 3 years (2 generations) and have lost their way.
in fact, I'd go as far to say that Canon haven't realeased a strong product since the 5D. Since then every camera has been ill concieved or frought with problems. Canon....re-empoly the team that designed your 20D, 1DsII and 5D!!! It's obvious the current muppets aren't delivering.

[BugEyes]

I don't think language like that is necessary. We were just pointing out your oversight in the fact that it wasn't official. Please don't let it stop you posting things to POTN but perhaps not the language.

That's was not what I reacted on but some other posts saying nothing. I apologize for the wording and I take back the a** and keep the clown in the previous post.

[dithiolium]

Isn't Sep 22nd Photokina event?
Obviously Canon will launch new cameras then. More important question is What they will release, which no one really knows, though we all guessing the same.
So this Swedish site is just stating the obvious.
I'm hoping for them to announce the products much earlier.

[Keith R]

The biggest issue that I see for the 40D was the poor 10mp chip. Nikon used a 12mp chip and Canon stuck to 10mp. Even Canon's cheaper 450D/XSi boasts a better chip than the 40D.I can't be bothered to respond to the rest of your post - suffice to say I disagree with any suggestion that the 40D is less capable of a superbly sharp end result (and that's what matters: who cares if - and it's big "if" - the per pixel sharpness isn't like-for-like?) - but this is just rubbish.

In no way, shape of form is the 40D's sensor "poor", and the results that come from it speak for themselves: and the very idea that the D300's extra 2 mp makes if a "better" sensor is just unsupportable nonsense.

[BugEyes]

So this Swedish site is just stating the obvious.


Yes, with the addition that he's been called to a press conference that date.
All the rest is pure speculation and there is nothing that says it could not be another event earlier for some specific product.

He specifially says that canon will launch EOS cameras.

I too hope for an earlier release but I would not bet on it. I actually belive that september 22 is the day when we get to know what the 5D successor is.

[Geoffery]

Canon Inc does not announce new photo products on the eve of Photokina itself. These products get to be announced usually a month in advance.

We will probably get to hear something exciting during the reign of the 16-day Summer Olympics Games in Beijing, going by the tradtitional dates that Canon uses to announce their 2nd half of the year's new photo products.

In 2005, Canon had chosen Aug 21 to announce the EOS 5D and EOS-1D Mark II N. For 2006, they chose Aug 22 to announce the EOS 400D, and in 2007, Aug 19/20 were picked as the dates to announce the EOS 40D and EOS-1Ds Mark III. It was still Aug 19 in North America when the rest of the world was ushering in Aug 20.

This year, Aug 19 to 22 dates are during the final week of the Summer Games, which closes on Aug 23. Stay tuned until then.

[MrChad]

Canon Inc does not announce new photo products on the eve of Photokina itself. These products get to be announced usually a month in advance.

We will probably get to hear something exciting during the reign of the 16-day Summer Olympics Games in Beijing, going by the tradtitional dates that Canon uses to announce their 2nd half of the year's new photo products.

In 2005, Canon had chosen Aug 21 to announce the EOS 5D and EOS-1D Mark II N. For 2006, they chose Aug 22 to announce the EOS 400D, and in 2007, Aug 19/20 were picked as the dates to announce the EOS 40D and EOS-1Ds Mark III. It was still Aug 19 in North America when the rest of the world was ushering in Aug 20.

This year, Aug 19 to 22 dates are during the final week of the Summer Games, which closes on Aug 23. Stay tuned until then.

Wouldn't it make more sense to announce either before or after the Olympics? I mean no offense but why bother competing with the Olympics. If it's only a couple of days might as well launch the week after if I was the marketing guru.

[ohnnyj]

Wouldn't it make more sense to announce either before or after the Olympics? I mean no offense but why bother competing with the Olympics. If it's only a couple of days might as well launch the week after if I was the marketing guru.

Why not announce and advertise during the olympic?

[dithiolium]

This year, Aug 19 to 22 dates are during the final week of the Summer Games, which closes on Aug 23. Stay tuned until then.

Interesting observation. Those dates in the past years were Sunday/Monday. If the trend continues it would be about Aug 24/25 this year.
Even better if its tomorrow. heh.
So keep a lookout every start of the week, if you don't hear anything by Tuesday try again the following week.

[MrChad]

Why not announce and advertise during the olympic?

Because the only Canon ad we have ever seen is for a new Rebel, so big woop a Rebel XS ad - wow. I don't think any region ever had a television ad for a 5D...

[MLphoto]

Can't wait for the 50D :D

[Geoffery]

Wouldn't it make more sense to announce either before or after the Olympics? I mean no offense but why bother competing with the Olympics. If it's only a couple of days might as well launch the week after if I was the marketing guru.
Good question, MrChad.

Based on previous years (like the past 24 years since LA Olympics in '84), Canon did make a number of announcements during the Games n show the same new products to the public only during Photokina.

Canon announced its prototype RC 760 still video camera during the LA Games itself. The camera used FD lenses.

Photokina is held in even-year numbers, so it alternates between Olympics and World Cup soccer seasons every two years.

Coinincidentally, Nikon had also announced its first ever AF pro-level 35mm SLR during an Olympics Games - at Seoul '88. Canon has nothing new to show as it was still aggresively promoting its pair of the EOS 650/620 film cameras with the non-IS EF 300mm f/2.8L USM at the '88 Games.

Canon showed the EOS 5D film camera and EF 35-350mm f/3.5-5.6L lens during the '92 Games in Barcelona, Spain. And the EF 400mm f/2.8L II USM at the Atlanta Games in '96. Nikon pre-announced the F5 prior to that Games.

All these were done during the era before the Internet was yet a common thing with many people around the world as it is today. Back then, photo enthusiasts like us could only treat those news as hearsays/rumours until the various photo magazines confirmed what the pro photographers had already tested during the Games previously.

[Ocean Blue]

I will remind myself not to start a tread here again, I will just wake up all the assclowns :(

Yikes, what's an "assclown"? I bet they don't get much work for children's parties. OP - I think the folks here are just reacting to a lot of threads on the topic of launch dates with a lot of official / confirmed / etc. information. For example, it was definitely a sure thing that the 5D would be launched on April 22 / 23 - the buzz out there was that camera shop guys were confirming it, Canon reps were confirming it, super shooters with direct links to Canon were supposedly confirming. There's been lots of "of course Canon will release new cameras by or during Photokina" posts in the blog / photo mag world. So the speculation that something will be announced at Photokina may seem to some like it is nothing new.

[Geoffery]

Despite the advent of digital into photography plus the Internet as being part of our lives, the debut periods of new cameras have not change much (if at all) by the respective camera manufacturers.

It is easy to have people claiming to have the inside news of what's the latest cameras will be, just to be part of the "in-thing" Net crowd. But as far as Canon and the others are concerned, there are only three times per year which they are going to be announcing new products - prior to PMA, mid-summer (May-June, usually entry-level compacts) and prior to Photokina (or Autumn during non-Photokina years).

So if anyone could claim to have infos of new items coming during the periods which are not part of the above, then one can safely dispose of all such news as mere rumours with no substances.

[fishfoto]

Why not announce and advertise during the olympic?

Companies don't tend to announce during the Olympics. What companies have done in the past was announce right before the Olympics and then put the gear into the hands of Olympic photogs.

Nikon isn't going to trump the D3 and Canon is trying to clean up it's reputation of the 1D MkIII and 1Ds MkIII.

No one would release an upgrade of a non-pro and sports related body before the Olympics because the photogs at The Games would not be using the gear.

[bmwm3csl]

I think some people on this forum are missing the point that "ohnnyj" was trying to make regarding a Canon announcement and the Olympics.

It's not that Canon needs to have shooters with the 5DII in hand taking photo's, it's that the ENTIRE world population will be watching this event for the next several weeks. If you are a very large company with a product that you plan to market world wide the Olympic's is a great marketing tool that only comes around every 4 years.

If Canon is even remotely close to having a 5D replacement ready it is my opinion that it would be a huge marketing blunder to not take advantage of the Olympic audience and let the world know that it is coming out soon.

[fishfoto]

BMW,

Companies release their toys at the major trade shows because viewers at home couldn't care less about the 5D MkII. The trade shows have all the major trade press on hand to get the info out to targeted markets.

[symbolphoto]

According to the editor of the largest photo mag in Sweden there will be a launch the day before photokina in Köln Germany. He got it from Canon and writes about it in his blog.

This is 100% trustworthy information, although it does not say what is to be launched.

Link for those who understand Swedish...
http://www.kamerabild.se/bloggar.asp?inlagg_id=173&show=yes&Blogg_id=31#173

Ban!

[2.8orfaster]

BMW,

Companies release their toys at the major trade shows because viewers at home couldn't care less about the 5D MkII. The trade shows have all the major trade press on hand to get the info out to targeted markets.

You are correct.

[GMCPhotographics]

Nice post..."i can't be bothered....unsupportable...and nonsence. Man! you are in a fresh mood.

Gee and I thought this was a nice forum.

Keith, the 40D produces softer images than my 5D or 20D...it's quite simple.
Canon have lost market share in the 40D's price bracket, Nikon have increased theirs....

The 40D is a great camera and I really enjoy using it, but it's images are slightly softer than my other 2 cams. it could be an aliasing filter issue, I don;t know but it is. End of story.


I can't be bothered to respond to the rest of your post - suffice to say I disagree with any suggestion that the 40D is less capable of a superbly sharp end result (and that's what matters: who cares if - and it's big "if" - the per pixel sharpness isn't like-for-like?) - but this is just rubbish.

In no way, shape of form is the 40D's sensor "poor", and the results that come from it speak for themselves: and the very idea that the D300's extra 2 mp makes if a "better" sensor is just unsupportable nonsense.

[bluefox9er]

Nice post..."i can't be bothered....unsupportable...and nonsence. Man! you are in a fresh mood.

Gee and I thought this was a nice forum.

Keith, the 40D produces softer images than my 5D or 20D...it's quite simple.
Canon have lost market share in the 40D's price bracket, Nikon have increased theirs....

The 40D is a great camera and I really enjoy using it, but it's images are slightly softer than my other 2 cams. it could be an aliasing filter issue, I don;t know but it is. End of story.



waits for 40d owners furiously refuting everything you just said....

[fumanchewable]

straight out of the cam, i could believe that the 40D is softer in raw format. (i own one.)

e.g., my 35L produces surprisingly soft images straight out of the camera. but, the files have a little more dynamic range than my previous bodies, and they lend themselves to better end image quality after post processing. just my take so far.

YMMV, and i am completely open to the fact that in side-by-die comparisons, i wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a 20D/30D/40D image. i think that photographer skill in making the picture, and later processing it, make more of a difference than the differences between the cameras provide.

take a chance. poop in your pants.

[laurenfitz]

Wow, I thought it was just me.

I have had my 40D since June and I have to say I find myself using my old 20D more often because the images out of the 40D are softer and duller. I really like the larger LCD screen but I am really disappointed in the IQ.

Hopefully I can get the new 5D (if an when it appears) and I will be selling my 40D.

[Feudal1]

my 35L produces surprisingly soft images straight out of the camera. but, the files have a little more dynamic range than my previous bodies, and they lend themselves to better end image quality after post processing.



i think that photographer skill in making the picture, and later processing it, make more of a difference than the differences between the cameras provide.


Raw images that are too sharp leave less room for post-processing. I prefer the lower-contrast, less-saturated RAW output of the 40D - allows greater detail to be extracted from highlights and shadows. If you primarily work with JPGs, and don't do any post-processing, just boost the sharpness and saturation in the Picture Styles.