photoshop natural white/blacks help please

[mantra]

hi
i read but i don't remember where how can obtain more natural white and black colors


i added a screenshots so you can see what i'm talking about

does somebody which values gives to blacks white and gray?
i douple click on the the black eyedrop

i will appreciate it
thanks

have a nice capture

[mantra]

wellChris Orwig (http://movielibrary.lynda.com/authors/author?aid=43)

in a movie tell to set the white in the curve

to
242
242
242

and the black
13
13
13

but i don't say about the gray

[Damo77]

As long as your image is in a theoretical, well-behaved colour space eg sRGB, Adobe RGB, ProPhoto RGB, a tone will be perfect grey as long as the R, G and B values match. So 89,89,89 will be a perfectly neutral dark grey, and 203,203,203 will be a perfectly neutral light grey. And obviously, 128,128,128 is the perfect middle grey.

Don't try to select a grey using CMYK values, you'll get nothing but grief.

And I don't have any time at all for that "White 242 and Black 13" nonsense - I'd rather use the full available dynamic range in my images.

[gcogger]

As long as your image is in a theoretical, well-behaved colour space eg sRGB, Adobe RGB, ProPhoto RGB, a tone will be perfect grey as long as the R, G and B values match. So 89,89,89 will be a perfectly neutral dark grey, and 203,203,203 will be a perfectly neutral light grey. And obviously, 128,128,128 is the perfect middle grey.

Don't try to select a grey using CMYK values, you'll get nothing but grief.

And I don't have any time at all for that "White 242 and Black 13" nonsense - I'd rather use the full available dynamic range in my images.

Absolutely agree with all of that, and especially the last paragraph :)

[mantra]

As long as your image is in a theoretical, well-behaved colour space eg sRGB, Adobe RGB, ProPhoto RGB, a tone will be perfect grey as long as the R, G and B values match. So 89,89,89 will be a perfectly neutral dark grey, and 203,203,203 will be a perfectly neutral light grey. And obviously, 128,128,128 is the perfect middle grey.

Don't try to select a grey using CMYK values, you'll get nothing but grief.

And I don't have any time at all for that "White 242 and Black 13" nonsense - I'd rather use the full available dynamic range in my images.

if you watch the lynda http://movielibrary.lynda.com/html/modPage.asp?ID=419
22. Color Correction
Introducing color correction with eyedroppers

Chris Orwig

tells that the industry standard in the photography is to set the white to 242 242 242 and set the black to 13 13 13 to have a more natural color correction
but he doesn't tell the gray value

i have the dvd , if you want i can upload the movie
and it makes really look the photos more real , natural

[Beaufort 12]

White and black are relative.

Some images' white is, when you cover the rest of the image, actually yellow, others bluish.

Colors work for us in correlation to the surrounding colors.

For good white and black

1. calibrate your monitor

2. Color management on in Photoshop

3. Check white balance while shooting. Canon cameras have good automatic white balance in daylight.

4. Adjust white balance in image when editing.

So you need to get ALL COLORS right to get good whites and blacks, respectively images tones that are perceived as whites and blacks within a certain image.

[mantra]

White and black are relative.

Some images' white is, when you cover the rest of the image, actually yellow, others bluish.

Colors work for us in correlation to the surrounding colors.

For good white and black

1. calibrate your monitor

2. Color management on in Photoshop

3. Check white balance while shooting. Canon cameras have good automatic white balance in daylight.

4. Adjust white balance in image when editing.

So you need to get ALL COLORS right to get good whites and blacks, respectively images tones that are perceived as whites and blacks within a certain image.

well the point outside the raw , is to find the black point , the white point the gray point and to use the eyes dropper to calibrate
and it looks better

[Bobster]

are you on about using a threshold adjustment layer? hmmm might write a tutorial for that

[Bobster]

Tutorial finished :D

[René Damkot]

Where? ;)

[Beaufort 12]

Tutorial finished :D

Is this a secret tutorial?

For photographers, who moonlight as secret agents?

[mantra]

Where? ;)

Is this a secret tutorial?

For photographers, who moonlight as secret agents?

i bought lynda , it's a movie
if you want i can upload in youtube and put the link
i don't know if i can , i don't want to break the canon forum rules

[Bobster]

Where? ;)

Is this a secret tutorial?

For photographers, who moonlight as secret agents?
thats the one ;)

[Bobster]

i bought lynda , it's a movie
damn, perhaps i should start charging..

[René Damkot]

Nice one "Dr. Bob" :)

[mantra]

damn, perhaps i should start charging..

cool but
did you use different value for black & white for a more natural image


by the way autoleves or autocurve should do the job or?

[mantra]

Nice one "Dr. Bob" :)

can i put here the link of youtube , i upload the the tutorial?

are there rules here in this forum against about that?

i saw many users banned , and i don't know why

[Bobster]

cool but
did you use different value for black & white for a more natural image

black in the image i used is RGB - 1,0,0 White is RGB 250,249,239 and Gray RGB is 127,128,113


by the way autoleves or autocurve should do the job or?
i've never used them, so i'll take a look now and see what kind of a job it does..

can i put here the link of youtube , i upload the the tutorial?

are there rules here in this forum against about that?

i saw many users banned , and i don't know why
by loading copyright material up onto YouTube and then posting a link here, you are in breach of copyright..

[mantra]

black in the image i used is RGB - 1,0,0 White is RGB 250,249,239 and Gray RGB is 127,128,113


i've never used them, so i'll take a look now and see what kind of a job it does..


by loading copyright material up onto YouTube and then posting a link here, you are in breach of copyright..
thanks
give it a tray
levels -->
option
find dark and light colors-->enable
snap neutral -->enalbe

now try to give the command auto

[Bobster]

ok so Auto Curves alters the image like this:
Black - 1,0,0
White - 255,255,254
Gray - 134,129,120

doing it the way i show alters like this
Black - 0,0,0
White - 255,255,255
Gray - 130,131,131

which is the best way, up to you really

[Bobster]

using those steps you describe i get the following results
Black - 9,0,16
White - 255,249,239
Gray - 135,124,123

[mantra]

using those steps you describe i get the following results
Black - 9,0,16
White - 255,249,239
Gray - 135,124,123

so autolevels with

find dark and light colors-->enable
snap neutral -->enalbe
does a different job :(

[Bobster]

auto levels, auto curves, the same result

[mantra]

auto levels, auto curves, the same result

no i mean it does a different job if i compare to your tutorial

[Bobster]

if you use Auto Levels, or Auto Curves, they both come out with the same result i posted above ;)

using those steps you describe i get the following results
Black - 9,0,16
White - 255,249,239
Gray - 135,124,123

[mantra]

if you use Auto Levels, or Auto Curves, they both come out with the same result i posted above ;)

sorry my english is poor
my question is if i follow your tutorial (find with threshold the black point after the white point and the gray point with a gray layer with blend difference) obtain the same result with autolevels?